and the mints, as we say, yes, for the security forces, for the fsb, and this is from the time of stalin, and no matter what they did, no matter how they mocked the people, they were always right, and that is why they have such a strong tradition, and that's how it started in crimea, too, all those who love russia, the descendants of all of them. who took advantage of the opportunity in the 44th year after our people and other peoples were deported, yes, actually condemned to genocide, they came for free, settled in our houses, lived and enjoyed everything that people from... a thousand

built there for years, and that is why they are also criminals, the same criminals as the one who came to crimea today, and therefore to expect that we will cross them over is some kind of delusion from these experts who know nothing about crimea, it did not become for them the lesson is that the occupation in these territories has become. mainlanders of ukraine, they will think for grants that tolerance is when you forgive the criminal who killed your loved ones, your children, destroyed everything that is related to the history, culture of your nation, people, therefore in crimea, they were calling all these years of ukraine's independence, they were calling the enemy, these descendants, and then... they were joined by fathers

who had come and that's why there are people like us in crimea, in general , i remember you from the first day, and you're still on the air in the 22nd year, in march, i said that for me the deoccupation of crimea began with those victories, when our military, not politics, not the government, but the army... beat the enemy near kiev and gave such results that the whole world was surprised, which too did not expect that ukraine would stand up for more than three days, because this is a military, this is the people of ukraine, ukrainians, ethnic, identities, which, which have from this territory, this ukraine, they did all this, we all did it with you, when we took machine guns. and before that, to be honest,

the verkhovna rada was no longer there, you said that there was no majority at that time and there was no majority in ukraine, that is why crimea is a weak place, a place for russia, for the front, it is an island , and the fact that we are fighting there and have proven over the years that crimea is no... as protected as they tried to scatter these scraps, yes, that the enemy will not pass, and crimea will be forever, some kind of the floating harbor and the like, we destroyed all this, and we destroyed the symbols, yes , the black sea fleet, at the last meeting with senators, with congressmen, i gave these examples, and how the mood in america, in the authorities and in... congress, i also

saw this in the congress a year ago, that they were talking about some kind of red line there, some of them, not all, but it was felt that they still had such a comparison with the soviet union, yes, with that powerful one, let's say, which disintegrated and the state, russia , has nothing to do with it, it is gangster state, you said that the position and attitude towards ukraine has been changing for the better lately, that... they

believe in ukraine, but what is happening in crimea now, you surely know exactly what is happening and what is ruling there the atmosphere, what people say, in what way... a part of the people is probably fleeing from the crimean peninsula, well, those who came and those who are liberators, the so- called live in crimea, obviously they understand how it will all end, well, from such a category everything is already clear, they don't have why did they come to crimea, they left, they wanted to find a continuation of their blessed life there, we violated this and of course... for them, crimea has lost such value, and secondly, that is why they are leaving, and that is why the prices there are very high , and the fact that there is no stability there now, and this has always been important for this poor population, security,

yes, it is not there, there is another category, yes, here are collaborators, these supporters of russia. they will also think about how it will go down, and that is why they are looking for a backup option somewhere in russia, and the fact that now the development is going at a fast pace abkhazia, that gray zone that existed for 30 years after the capture of russia, yes, and i also told our partners in america about this, that they are very, very like that... they are doing things at a fast pace and they want to place the black sea fleet there, that is, a military base , and these are hundreds of thousands of people

. no, they did not believe that crimea was necessary to make it so attractive region, it was such an outpost for the attack on ukraine, for the control of the black sea, and here we are, we have shown that we will not allow this to happen, and therefore our people, our citizens, eh, they feel all this, and when you you talk to them, them, them... in general, in 10 years, they did not think that they would live there , take advantage of the moment and live, solve their issues already within the framework of russia, and this, and this is the main, the main, such and such aspect of

behavior ee of our citizens, and our actions are also aware now, they can't, can't... talk about it so loudly, yes, but it's them are happy with this process, and therefore our task is the crimean bridge, period, it is not crimean, it is the devil's bridge, putin, we did not build it. thank you, mr. artem, it was artem cheygoz, people's deputy of ukraine, deputy chairman of the mejlis of the crimean tatar people. friends, we will continue to work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those watching now. us live please subscribe to our platforms and also vote in our poll today we ask you about this, will the servant of the people party support the banning of the russian orthodox church in ukraine? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have a separate opinion, please leave it in the comments below this video, well, if

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said the people's deputy of chitos and diplomat, pavlo klimkin, mr. pavle, let's start from kursk, from the kursk region with... events that are in the epicenter of attention of the international community, ukraine and the international community, and the russian community, of course, because the what is happening in the district next to us. region, it clearly shows the current state of the military-political leadership of russia and russia itself. what, what could be the consequences, what could be the consequences of this kurdish operation for putin and his close ones? maybe this certainly a correct story, but the consequences are already there. the consequences are psychological, and these consequences are

more about vulnerability, not so much about weakness, but about vulnerability, and this is understandable for the west, this is understandable not for the west, this is understandable inside russia, no matter how much they say, and the first reaction to kursk, to this operation , there was just a reaction of misunderstanding and... failure to perceive one's own vulnerability, psychology affects, it affects any further steps, this is already a weaker position for the russian regime, there is a political aspect, of course, it is also very important, in today's reality it will be difficult for putin to raise again the issue of negotiations, which he wants to conduct, on his own terms and from his own positions, and now even internally politically,

this is a very, very difficult story for them, and starting any what conversations with russia can only be held from a position of strength, if this position is not available, then it is better not to start this story at all. the third, as you said, is the feeling that even in their own territory they are... not omnipotent, and actually, i don't know why that came as a surprise to anyone, but to me, it quite logical, if you don't want to, even a natural step in the sense that we have international law, international law, it contains the right to self-defense, including the un charter, and it is very clearly stated that such a right is for whom, for everyone, actually in such a way that... it can be implemented, it is not limited in any way, in particular geographically, and we

can do it, in my opinion, we should do it on the territory of the aggressor, as far as prospects are concerned, i believe that for the russian regime it is, if you like , to some extent so panicky, in their understanding violation because they thought they were forcing us to do something there, but now actually. it is very difficult there to invent another terrorist operation of the svo and deny that it is a war, which means a fundamental change of the entire narrative for the russian regime, and how can we now say that it is not actually a war, and the war is post-colonial, in most of the world it is clear, although they will spread fakes now. quickly, and the last one, this is very important to understand, from the point of view of perception - this is the biggest blow to

the image of the russian regime after the first weeks and months of the 22nd year, it is absolutely obvious, i passed on, by the way, many asian, latin american, african ones did not have time, but i think that there is approximately the same logic with certain amendments, well... special sympathy for russia in there is absolutely no such thing in this situation, and it does not generate and does not cause such sympathy, it is quite obvious. mr. pavle, the united states of america stated that they did not participate in the planning of the ukrainian offensive in the kursk region, this was stated by the deputy speaker of the state department vedant patel, he said that our role is to support ukraine in its ability to defend itself. which previously were not focused on ensuring that our ukrainian partners had everything necessary for

this, at the same time, president biden believes that ukraine's offensive on russia's kursk region has put russian dictator putin in front of a real dilemma. let's hear what biden said. for the past six or eight days, i have been talking regularly with my advisers. we are in touch every four or five hours. what is happening in kursk region creates a real. constant contact with the ukrainians, but that's all i can say on this issue for now, since active actions continue there, what dilemma did biden say? well, biden is called a dilemma, we will call you, mr. sergey, a civilian. putin is not raising the stakes now and is trying to continue to work and eliminate the consequences of this operation by conventional means, can he

do it, the big question is how many resources will it require? their relocations, their refocusing, well, that is, the story is quite complicated, but there is another reality, putin raises rates, moreover, he can raise rates not only by military means, he can do so on his own, there he still has a mentality from the special services, but then the question arises, why can't the west, in response to the raising of... putin rates, also raise rates, well, for example, with the supply of new weapons, permits to shoot with western weapons no longer at short distances and not under restrictions, but with no restrictions, or with minimal ones, with an increase

in rates in the sense of sanctions, tightening the nuts on existing sanctions, imposing sanctions on... their workarounds, well, that is, in fact, either putin stays where he is, but then he looks strange, not only weak, but also strange, or he raises the stakes, but then whoever prevents the west from also raising the stakes has its own complicated internal discussion about red lines, it's almost schizophrenia so red lines they have. but if putin raises it, then the west will say, well, we raise it, this is in response, so the dilemma is actually really difficult for putin, here biden is absolutely right, i agree with him 101%, mr. pavle, and what this is what the current stage means for putin, that is , he will, on the contrary, raise the rates, we

know that this highest rate still remains with him, and by the way, in the doctrine of national security. and it is written when they can use their nuclear suitcase or nuclear stick there, does he reserve such a right for himself, does he understand that the use of the last argument can simply lead to the destruction of the entire military and political leadership of russia, and even earlier, when they reach for that stick, first, against the use of nuclear weapons... not only the west, for example, the chinese, since opening this pandora’s box, and then everyone will have nuclear weapons in 5 years and around the chinese in the first place, why it is absolutely incomprehensible to them, the second point, well, from the point of view of the russian constitution and amendments, well, we now occupy part of russian

territory, they called these areas part of russia, well, why doesn’t putin use... nuclear weapons, and the question arises, and if he doesn’t use them all this time, why is he should apply this, what is different about one russian territory in to the marismistic sense of the russian constitution, from another one actually, and if he goes to raise rates, then he shows that he has no other means, and this means that both... the regime and the russian structures, they are really weak, and nothing apart from nuclear weapons, they have nothing left, well, and the last thing, if pumping begins seriously, not with words, but seriously with the question of nuclear weapons, then of course the russian regime will receive an answer, it will not simply become a pariah, that is, it is one thing not to lend a hand, but

another thing, as they say we can't on this one balls to live together, that is... then the stakes will be raised as much as possible, and here i think that there is a real threat for putin to unite the interests of the west and non-west, and he will definitely not resist this. polish prime minister donald tusk, mr. pavle, commenting on the kurdish operation of the armed forces of ukraine, stated that poland supports ukraine in the war, which for it is of a defensive nature. let's listen to what mr. tut said. ukraine's actions are defensive, what russian troops and russian aviation do with the territory of ukraine. signs of genocide and crimes against humanity, and ukraine has every right to wage war in such a way as to paralyze russia in its

aggressive intentions as effectively as possible. mr. pavle, you and i have repeatedly talked about the fact that if our western partners wanted the defeat of russia, they would give ukraine all the necessary means. would be allowed to strike on the territory of the russian federation, but in the current situation, how do you think the development of events is seen by the western partners after what happened in kurshchyna? they want to put putin in his place, they do understood that playing epistemology, as the west did, unfortunately, since the 14th year, this story has passed, and what many... did not understand, not only the real nature, but the real intentions of the russian regime, now they are about they regretted it, although i will not say it publicly,

what donald says is certainly cool, the only problem is that many in the west do not say this and do not say it like that, and the west, of course, wants the defeat of russia, but a controlled defeat, that is one thing - massive escalation and give us everything we need. and quickly, and by the way, it's not like that simply from the point of view of technology, logistics, military affairs there, well, but theoretically it is possible, for now the west, even with the support of the kurdish operation, adheres to the logic of a controlled war, and nothing changes in this, but what makes me happy is that the west still understood , that the defeat of ukraine is the defeat of the west, at least... we have a real understanding and real progress in this situation, but for the time being. trump, meanwhile

, accused biden of the russian federation's invasion of ukraine, the candidate for the presidency of the united states of america from republican party said in an interview with billionaire elon musk that russia's invasion of ukraine happened because of joe biden's policy. he detailed that biden started... talking about ukraine's membership in nato, and they say this provoked the russian federation. what do you think of this vision of what has happened in ukraine since the 22nd year. project? well, in fact, it is perfectly clear to everyone that no matter how much they say, there is still no political decision on nato and no consensus within nato. no matter how much you say, you are already saying it enough. for a long time, actually since 2008, the question of how they talk and what they say, of course, but musk is not stupid, he does business in the world,

reads geopolitics, so talks about nato and blaming these talks, well, this is pure nonsense, i a lot have discussions with various representatives who take positions, well... not like musk, but close, and after a long conversation they actually come to something that contradicts themselves. and the second story, it is, well, in my opinion, the simplest: who did not understand that everything that happens is the desire to destroy ukraine as such, in nato, without nato, whatever. my meaning is, i always try, again on my fingers. to explain to those who do not want to believe it yet that today's russian regime, it has not yet invented its ideology, which

functions without ukraine as a part, and the fact that it sees us either as russia or anti-russia, but somehow wrong, it is vkarinano in the nature of the russian regime, of course, trump is more interesting to musk, i would musk. i explained it differently, well, but i still have an interview with musk i don't take it, i think that everything is ahead. musk wants to interview kamale haris, do you think it's going to happen, well, we're watching it like a tv show because, well, right now, the election in the united states of america is going to start to unfold even more starting on the 10 september, when there will be a debate between trump and harris. who do you think has a better chance of becoming president of the united states of america? first of all, if i were kamala, i would go to the interview, i don't remember the last number there.

but i watched reruns of the trump interview there is almost a billion, well, it’s really cool from the point of view of both states and non-states, and then everything was cut on tiktok, and not only on tiktok, so the story is good, of course kamala should prepare, but she is still preparing, and it’s better in a live conversation like this with musk, some things show emotions, i think that... it would be a cool story, the team has to decide, hyis and directly hand herself remains on the air, i'm sorry, and as for the elections, i think , that now the 50-50 situation will depend a lot from the debate and whether hayes gets the drive and whether she can answer the tough questions, especially on the border economy, if

i can...she has a good chance. thank you, mr. pavle, for the conversation, this was pavlo klinkin, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-19. friends, do not switch, it will be more interesting. there are discounts until independence day on bionorm detox. 10% in psarynyk, bam and oskad pharmacies. there are discounts until independence day on decatelen, 15% in podorozhnyk ban pharmacies. for savings leo does not have allergies overcomes c3. c3 neo protects against the most common allergens. there are discounts until independence day at eden. 25% in psarynyk, bam and oskad pharmacies. there are discounts until independence day on korvalt 10% in travel bam and savings pharmacies.

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