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heart aches. all this in an informational marathon with mykola veresny. saturday 17:10, sunday 18:15 at espresso. we are coming back, we are in touch with george kovalenko, a priest of the orthodox church of ukraine, rector of the open orthodox university of saint sophia, the wisdom of god. we welcome you to our air. glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, congratulations, we understand what we will talk about today, here we have fresh information from the humanitarian and information policy committee, unanimously at the meeting today in the morning, they voted for the last amendments of this committee on the religious bill number 8371. everyone agreed, agreed and hope that there is such a concept that... at the meeting of the verkhovna rada, when

it starts, they will actually start with this issue. your predictions? well, i hope that in the end the law, which was initiated by the president, then the national security council, then passed the first reading, then caused a lot of halo halo, where both supporters and opponents put more hopes on it than. he will really bring will eventually be voted on in the second reading and enter into force. is a statement by epiphanius regarding the unification of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate with the orthodox church of ukraine. has there been any response from onufry to this call and how, according to the vision of the orthodox church of ukraine, should this unification take place? well, the statement and appeal is not about unification, although in principle it can be called. that this movement in the direction

you mentioned is actually an appeal for the beginning of dialogue, that is, another proposal from the orthodox. churches of ukraine to start dialogue without any preconditions, that is, in fact, what you say about unification is already a certain precondition, and for now we are still in a situation where the moscow patriarchate continues to refuse any dialogue with the orthodox church of ukraine and thus continuing the same policy that was started back in... in 2018, when the representatives of the moscow patriarchate in ukraine refused the invitation of the ecumenical patriarch to come to the unification council, yes, refused the dialogue regarding the tomos, and as a result actually

until now, they refuse any attempts at a constructive dialogue with the ukrainian church. actually, the call for dialogue from our side is heard from the metropolitan of the orthodox church of ukraine, in your opinion, in general, what can this dialogue look like, especially after what we have seen, in fact we have seen and already in 2.5 years of a full-scale invasion , we have been convinced more than once , that the russian orthodox church actually blesses this war, so they, well, it looks like this, go, fight, kill and so on. like after even understanding that enemies must be forgiven, can this dialogue look so that it is perceived and accepted by all ukrainians and faithful in general, so that later there is some kind of equal treatment

of clergymen and all believers, is this possible? let's combine this topic with the draft law, what the state requires and what the draft law is aimed at, it is on... on banning communication with a religious center in the country of the aggressor, that is, the state is telling the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, stop being the moscow patriarchate in ukraine, become ukrainian the orthodox church, and the continuation of this topic, probably a story with a dialogue. the orthodox church of ukraine is open to dialogue with the ukrainian orthodox church. church, i think that it is the ukrainian part or ukrainianness, which, which, hypothetically, we still hope for its presence within the uoc of the moscow patriarchate, it should respond, yes, it should start a movement, in

the dialogue regarding the unity of the ukrainian orthodox church . i do not know about joint service to the ukrainian people, about joint service... to wounded widows, children, that is, regarding the common prayer for the victory of ukraine and for the fact that in the end there will be a just peace in ukraine and in the world. this is a request, that is, it is not a negotiation with the moscow patriarchate. the moscow patriarchate, as well as moscow political or business structures, should cease to exist in ukraine, and this is the will and desire of the ukrainian people, the ukrainian state, and the will. of ukrainian churches, but if they are ukrainian churches, if they are not connected with the aggressor country, if they really serve god and people, then such churches among themselves should be in dialogue, and this is exactly the kind of dialogue offered by the orthodox church of ukraine. well , look, we understand, nominally, even

if the law says that this institution cannot function on the territory of our state, then ideological supporters of the russian peace, they will not go anywhere. in our country, and was there any certain communication between the state and the orthodox church of ukraine in the context of not just, well, if, let's say, make the legislative part of this issue, but also the practical part of this issue, is there any understanding of how work with it? well, let's separate the freedom of conscience and the issue of national security, i.e. in ukraine you can practice any religion, privately or publicly. to gather in order to glorify what one considers to be a higher power, so to speak, without any permits, that is , the bill is not aimed at banning any organization of religion or religious practice, yes, it bans

the connection of any religious organization with the center in the country of the aggressors, whose church has already shown that it is very far... from religion, but rather an ideological ministry of the russian political regime, yes, look, in this situation, citizens of ukraine can practice any religion, they can belong to any church, but, uh, the connection with the aggressor country, and religions, all religious, i don't know, business, political structures that work for the aggressor in one way or another during war should be limited in a certain sense, it is these security functions, religious functions that remain, if you want to practice religion, please, you can believe even in. .. in grace of the moscow patriarchate, that is , no one can forbid you this faith, you can

make certain political speeches, but when there is legislation in ukraine that prohibits, for example, praising the country of the aggressor or supporting this war, and for this there is a certain responsibility, i think that people in cassocks should also be subject to such a law, but this is not about the prohibition of religious activities, therefore... but if the ukrainian orthodox church eventually shows those, well, real steps towards breaking with the moscow patriarchate, then and as an institution, it will in a certain way continue its existence, and then, for sure , the dialogue called for by the orthodox church of ukraine will become possible. the ukrainian church will think with its own head, and not listen to its curators, and will take care of the unity of ukrainian society. the unity of churches in any case strengthens the unity of ukrainian society, joint prayer

strengthens the unity of ukrainian society. joint service to people during the war strengthens the stability of ukrainian society. just before this is what we call to those brothers and sisters in the ukrainian orthodox church who sincerely want to break with the russian peace and be a part of ukrainian orthodoxy, ukrainian christianity. not short. the question is, do we communicate all these attempts of ours to hold a dialogue, to agree on unification, that is, all the things that we do with the west, because we understand that in the same united states we are very often reproached with the fact that you here the church is persecuted, they do not understand what is happening in us, but if you explain to them, then understanding comes, in fact, is this work being carried out now, and this is now relevant on the eve of the elections, well, this work is being carried out. the all-ukrainian council of churches is conducting this tour, ukrainian religious leaders are constantly meeting with

their fellow believers there in the united states, in other countries, we recently, for example, were in greece, on the way we met in bulgaria, with priests, that is, we also tell different religious scholars about our situation, of course russian propaganda is systematically working against us. the church question occupies one of the leading places in it, therefore, this work must be conducted, it is conducted by the state, there is a state service of ethnopolitics of freedom of conscience, it is conducted by political figures and leaders of the country, it is conducted by religious figures, it would be good if the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate joined the ukrainian churches in this very matter, and did not tell on international platforms and in those parishes that she started to create in europe about... pseudo-persecution of orthodoxy in ukraine, unfortunately, in this sense she

is singing along to russian propaganda. thank you for the clarification and for the conversation. george kovalenko was with us, a priest of the orthodox church of ukraine and rector of the open orthodox university of saint sophia of the wisdom of god. we are going to take a short break, then we will learn how dnipropetrovsk region lives. actually, our next guest will be from there, so wait. when you sleep on an uneven surface, the spine takes the wrong position, because you cannot feel energetic in the morning and productive during the day, and with the matryk stopper you will forget that you are sleeping on an imperfect surface, order the matryk topper for a comfortable sleep at an affordable price at a price more and more ukrainian families choose topper matryk, which comes in a convenient package that is easy enough to remove, during. days after removing the factory film, it can be used. a unique cover in which you can hide

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glory to the heroes, congratulations, you are constantly worried. and unfortunately, explosions are also heard very often, we do not know from our studio, whether the explosions are because something unfortunately flew in, or whether it is the air defense, we ask you to tell us about today's story, but in dnipropetrovsk region, unfortunately, it happens differently, explosions used to indicate arrivals, but fortunately today's explosions, which were heard in the city of dnipro, were a shoot-down, well, let's say, there is no official detailed information. what about that, but we already know that it was a shoot-down, it can be said, that's why the glory of the air defense, and, well, already the victims or any damage due to these today's explosions, fortunately, there are none in our direction, but this does not mean that the dnipropetrovsk region is not shelled, because the whole of the past day, as well as

the day before, we have heard about the nikopol community, the nikopol district, marganetska, myrivska, chervonogrihorivska. communities they suffer constant shelling by hail, heavy artillery from the occupied energodar, this is no longer news, but it happens again and again and does not stop, but luckily after today's day there is only damage infrastructure, there are no injured or dead, so this is positive, we can say , news for dnipropetrovsk oblast. yes, it is really very good when... there are no casualties and there are no dead, this is probably the best and most pleasant thing to hear in the conditions of war. ms. kateryna, the more frequent the shooting actually is now, we understand that, as you said, along the coast, it is mostly, probably, artillery from the energy supplier and from that side, and in general in the region, when there are launches of rockets or rockets, what types of these missiles and where

they are aimed, do you have such information? well me there is a small specialist there specifically in military equipment, but in general, if we talk about the dnipro, these are shahed drones, which often shoot them down, but it happens that they are not, but also often they are missiles, missiles x, there, well, what x, with numbers, they very often they fly to the dnipro, and to our great regret, that's exactly them often, well , it happens, we have a lot of them. cases when they were not shot down, even if this large missile is shot down by anti-aircraft defense, then its debris falls on places, well, on the territory where it was shot down, and they are so... also very, very dangerous, so the shooting down of such large missiles it is also well almost as dangerous as its arrival for those who are under it, well at this

time, so it’s roughly like this, but well , dnipropetrovsk region is ready for almost all shelling, in our country they are combined, so here are some general such statistics or a single there really is no regularity. if we talk about the locations of the shelling, well , of course, the russians believe that these are only some military facilities and so on, but very often we can see that these are ordinary districts, not ordinary peaceful houses, a residential sector, or there, the territories are simply adjacent to some possibly critical infrastructure objects that are simply standing nearby and are flying into them, because a missile is either shot down there, or somehow... digs past or nearby, so there are also very large destructions due to this. and how is zhivanikopol today in general, it is so close to

the enemy, across the other bank of the dnieper, already, unfortunately, the russian occupiers, and well, to what extent can life there now be called normal life, or are the people there simply those who have come to terms with the that they just will live there in spite of everything, or? are there any glimpses of that normal life? well, in fact, the majority of the people there are young people, for whom work is important there, for whom education is important, or they have small children there, they generally left nikopolshchyna, the nikopol district, it is not necessary that it is very far, it is not for the border, it is not to some other part of ukraine, it is somewhere in... propetrovs'ka region, but simply to relatives where it is safer, or to some other nearby community, there is also such a thing, so the areas that are in

nikopolshchyna is the most bombarded, they stand, let's say, there are a lot of simply abandoned houses, and if one gets into them, then in principle no one is even there, but there are areas of the nikopol community, so to speak, which are more... away from the shelling, and life there continues, well, almost in a normal mode and format, if you can say so, but again shelling, if it is the territory of some building there, that is one issue, and the fact that there are often damaged power lines, gas pipelines and others there communications, it also leaves an impression on other residents, so very often the residents of nikopolshchyna are without electricity, without water or... with some interruptions, and this is precisely because of shelling, it is fixed, of course, but people also suffer from this, so it is normal as we understand it

, unfortunately, life in nikopol cannot be called exactly in this format, but everyone believes that it will stop, that we will win, so they do not lose their fighting spirit, and i would also like to clarify with you in order to close the issue with nikopol , nikopolshchyna is opposite energo, energodar, where zaporozhye is nuclear power plant and... the russians started a fire there this week, were people really scared when they saw the footage and wasn't there any kind of fear of what could happen, that's the worst thing we hear a lot about, we're preparing for it, yes and well, what was the reaction of the people, of course, in general, the whole of dnipropetrovsk region, which is more or less adjacent to that part that is closer to the energy source, it is all me... they say, it is on a powder keg, so it cannot be said that this voltage in general, it once stopped, yes, the last time sometimes, this question is open, and this threat

persists, and first of all, what is going on in the heads of the russians, why are they doing this, this is a question, there is no logic there, so there , well, some random actions very often prevail over normal with some kind of adequate , adequate behavior, but... but the residents, who are close to that, they are morally more or less ready, and everyone there, you know, has been stocking up since the beginning of a full-scale war, and there are pills that somehow protect them from radiation and so on, of course, that's all no, no, not for sure, but people are already morally prepared for it, let's say, a mass exodus from nikopol region precisely because of these news, it didn't happen, because they... are already there, they are ready to survive, to wait out these days in case of what , in their shelters there, houses and so on, but this question is

quite acute, and not only for... petrov oblast for the whole of ukraine, i think, but there is no question about it yet. panikaterina, when we talk about people getting used to war, we often mean that simply need, even in times of war, sometimes to rest, to go to the water somewhere, to read something different, we have seen shots of the dnieper rapids, which, due to the fact that it is just drought, heat, and they peeked out from under the water, you can... admire, watch , consider, imagine how it was several centuries ago, how our ancestors, how the cossacks used these rapids for defense, do you have some kind of tourist boom, well, let's say, first of all, the beaches are officially in the dnipropetrovsk region, well, let's say it, in the dnipro officially the beaches, they are closed, those on the dnieper, because firstly, there are two, by the way, motivations

for this, firstly, it is the danger of shelling, because if there are a lot of people on the beaches, then something can simply be directed there, and it will be very tragic consequences, and the second argument of the government regarding this is that the quality of the water in the dnipro, unfortunately, does not currently meet the standards so that you can swim in it and not think about any less pleasant consequences there than in ordinary water water, therefore... the beaches are officially closed, but i will say from my experience, well, there are people on them, in fact, there are even a lot of them, there are desperate residents of dnipro, or i don’t know, maybe even guests of the city, who are not afraid of the indicators in the water there, and who are not afraid of other threats there, so people still go out into nature, swim and in the dnieper, and in other rivers of the region, this is a widespread form of recreation, so it

is in demand, how can you be cool, we have two more minutes, i would like to ask you finally about the energy situation, due to the hot weather, ukraine may return to power outage as it looks now the situation in dnipro and dnipropetrovsk oblast with electricity, and is there active preparation for the next heating season? as of the last few weeks, the situation has more or less normalized, and there were some outages, they were hourly, according to those that were indicated in the schedules, and in principle nothing was exaggerated anywhere, that is , we can say that we suffer from this as of it is not possible now, really, well, the situation is normal, for the perspective of heat, well, they say that yes, maybe there will be more blackouts and so on, but to say that there is some kind of prevention of this may be from citizens who live there in

multi-apartments. houses, well no, it is impossible to invent something that would in general level this problem somehow, so simply for this purpose they either buy such small generators at home so that they can at least charge electricity there or at least heat water for themselves there, but in general, people are just ready to wait for the lights to turn on again, when there will be blackouts, due to preparations for the winter there. heating season and so on, it is conducted, the city authorities conduct it normally, in principle, well, nothing can be done to say, but as the mayor of dnipro, boris filatov, has already noted, that what the city government does, it does what it can, and indeed it is so, but everyone should think about themselves personally, how can residents of apartment buildings do it houses, it is not entirely clear, because it is impossible to connect the batteries autonomously there, but well... in this

country, because the same advice was heard in many cities and even in kharkiv and kharkiv region, where everything is completely sad. mrs. kateryna, thank you for participating in our broadcast, kateryna nemchenko, deputy of the dnipropetrovsk regional council, was with us on the espresso tv channel. well, we are already passing the baton to our colleague, anna eva melnyk, who is ready to share with us all the most important state for this moment. colleague, we pass the word on to you and please share what you managed to find out about. good afternoon, thank you for your work. then we, the news editor, will work on the main thing for this hour, i will tell you all the details, then stay with us.