once, then he is very bad for his information, but everyone says it's age, and i don't think it's any age, because i 'm not age at all, i think there's just a lack of interest in certain topics, and donald trump it was always obvious, he is not interested in many things, he is not interested in politics, in some kind of real science, relatively speaking, or in some content, he is not interested, he says what he hears, he is quite a simple person in this respect, he looks tv, hears something there, falls asleep, again, this is... absolutely normal for such an overloaded problem of a person , a person, well, really not very young, sits by the tv, hears something there, does not hear something there, falls asleep, wakes up, hears something again, then tells it to elon musk, that’s all, of course, donald trump is a man who sincerely admires the power of power, this is his religion, and of course, in this situation, in this pantheon.

he sees vladimir putin as one of his biggest idols, because vladimir putin really has unlimited power in his country, in a big country, big power, a person who can, as i said, press the red button and there will be no united states of america, has such power that he can not even consult with anyone about it, well , you are trump's admirer, as we can see, he admires this, not putin, putin’s power, not what kind of act, it would be strange if a person of the scale... trump and trump’s charisma admired a kimchan, a kimchan’s power, can you imagine putting some congressmen, loading a cannon and shooting at them from a cannon, at the leaders there majority, in senate and house of representatives. trump simply cannot dream of it, but he admires it, and by the way, how trump can be so enthusiastic was shown by the storming of the capitol, he really believed that this was the norm. because he likes brute power,

and he thinks he's strong, and if you want to analyze it, this stream of consciousness that we hear from this man, yes, he thinks the strong have the right to command the weak. do you remember how he completely, i would say, vulgarly pushed the president of croatia away in the first month of his presidency of that time, from other participants of some conference there. which he was at, i don't remember if it was a nato summit or something, to take a picture in the foreground, he behaved absolutely, i would say, with a huge disrespect for people, but he is sure that if he is the president of the united states, he he can push, he can beat, he can behave like that, and that is why he looks at putin like that, putin is the president of a strong country who attacked a weak country, and this weak country should have agreed to his demands a long time ago, but she is something showing off, well, of course, the connection.

the states are also a strong state, they can help it, but the question arises why, why help people who with such tenacity cannot understand that they are fighting a strong state, this is the whole logic of trump, it is simple and transparent, but again there is another trump, to whom political technologists will say tomorrow, you have to say again that you will be together with ukraine, makecurain great again, and he will say it like a parrot from new york. zoo, but we must remember that if donald trump, no god willing, he will win the presidential elections in the united states, it is still possible, the country will not be ruled by trump political technologists, he will then send all these technologists, give them money, write them out that is also not guaranteed, and say: go for these three letters that you you can read in every closet, which is taken care of by my beloved vladimir putin. here

, please, go to russia, read the books and follow them, and i will rule as i want, because you are now no one and nothing will hold me back from the decisions that i will make, here's all trump. another interesting event happened this week, several german media, it seems it was on august 14, reported that at the beginning of june, the general prosecutor's office of germany issued a warrant for the arrest of an entire ukrainian in the case. about the undermining of the nord stream thread, which is allegedly ukrainian diving instructor volodymyr, and the german spiegel meanwhile reports that the ukrainian, whom germany was going to arrest in poland for participating in the undermining of the gas pipeline, left polish territory, and if they lead to the fact that poland helped the ukrainian run away from responsibility, as i read it, maybe mr. vitaliy is dusting me now, but then he publishes quite interesting material. literally the next day from the wall

street journal and reports that it is ukrainian top officials who are involved in blowing up a gas pipeline in the baltic sea. it was an operation approved by zaluzhnyi, an operation approved by zelenskyi, and chervinskyi may be there too. to be involved, in a word, mr. vitaly, as you see the current development of events, we do not know whether the german prosecutor's office has sufficient grounds to issue a warrant for the arrest of a ukrainian, but i want to believe that they have some more or less convincing arguments for this, well, we haven’t seen these arguments, we only see what the media write, and even if a person is suspected of something, it does not mean that this person committed this crime, two, three, i, by the way, agree with the prime minister of poland, donald tusk, who said that those who advocated the construction of the northern streams in general should shut up and apologize, i think first apologize, then shut up, but i totally agree with that, because if you remember, i was

one of those journalists who kept reminding me that as soon as the construction of the northern ones is finished, a big war will start in europe, and i went through years when i was laughed at when i say this... and laughed at in ukraine too, laughed at what happened to me the most unpleasant in germany, my colleagues, some of them openly worked for moscow, like the favorite of ukrainian tv channels, oleksandr rar, some were just such useful idiots, and professional journalists, experts, but you know, when i was laughed at in ukraine, i could still do this to agree, because i knew that the ukrainian... society is absolutely infantile, absolutely unable to understand the intentions of russia at all, i saw it in all the votes in ukraine, i mean in the majority of the votes that did not take place after the uprisings, because ukrainians as as a rule, they came as children only after the uprisings and never in peacetime, but the fact that

the germans made fun of me was and still is a huge mental problem for me, i would say, because i believed that they were practical. people that they are at something realize in politics, and they turned out to be simply stupid, i will remember for the rest of my life, we mentioned donald trump, i will remember for the rest of my life how donald trump, being the president of the united states, is not some journalist, a tailor, a whole american president stands on the podium, i don't remember which conference, says if you complete the nord stream, if you start all this, you will be completely dependent on russia for energy, what are you doing, and the german delegation is sitting... points to him fingers and laughs, remember, there was, there were such shots, uh, just laughing at his words, and i watched it and thought, well, yes, that's all, interesting, by the way, this is where all these people are, these were the leading ministers in angela

merkel's cabinet, but in the end no one was wrong, neither trump nor i, germany painfully got rid of its energy dependence on russia, and... right after nord stream two was completed, russia wasted no time in starting a war with us, the big war in europe started, so it has donald tusk is right. all this detective story about the fact that zelensky was preparing explosions, this was learned cia. zelensky said to cancel the operation, but zaluzhny did not cancel it, it looks beautiful only for readers. because you and i know very well that this is not how the government in ukraine works, well, you understand that, right? ugh, when the supreme commander gives the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine an order not to carry out certain actions, and he does, these are

actions with legal consequences, do you understand that? ugh, and if these legal consequences do not occur for the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, they occur for people who perform those other actions. so all this is still needed to analyze, to prove, to understand what actually happened there, to understand why germany did not include this person whom it wanted to arrest in the list of persons it was looking for, but simply sent some kind of request to the polish prosecutor's office, this is all strange, you see, everyone's actions are strange there is, so let's see if her ears stick out there later. well, yes, there are many opinions on this matter , from different ukrainians, different views, that it was just a diving instructor, a few more people, almost not tourists, on some tourist yacht swam up and destroyed a strategic object, huh, well, it's also strange,

if it was a ukrainian instructor, then why are we surprised, well, let's say yes, in a word, mr. vitaly, we know, now we know, we need a diving instructor, right ? yes i have always wanted to swim to the underwater museum under lancerote island, looks like you have every chance, a few lessons. but you have to dive very deep there to see these statues, i always wondered who would teach me so that i don't drown there with these statues, because i became a new statue, well now i know who it can do, well, well, in the future , we will follow the development of events and maybe some things will seem really funny to us in the near future, mr. vitaly, going back to the events at the kurshchyna, a few such questions, you know, purely worldview arise, like i, as well as many ukrainians, well, for example, when we

watch videos recorded by ukrainian military from kurshchyna, with local residents, and listen to these videos, we understand that these people speak a language that is extremely close to the ukrainian language, certainly, it has other inclusions there, it cannot be called purely russian or ukrainian, but less... these people still do not consider that their language is ukrainian, they avoid this definition in any way, call it their own babble, their dialect, speaking, and so on, what, why don't they admit to themselves, at least, that they have something that russian propaganda scared them so much, because they believe that speaking such a language means recognizing themselves as a second-class person, i don't... why don't you understand that, that's the process that was going on on the streets of all major ukrainian cities,

except for lviv, kyiv, kharkiv, odesa and dnipro for ten years, people came from kyiv oblast, odesa, kharkiv oblast, dnipropetrovsk oblast to the big cities of millionaires and not only for them, and they are the first to did, tried to unlearn the ukrainian language, why don't you remember this? i remember it well, people tried, i am one of those who tried to somehow support this ukrainian language at least at the level of my own family, that is, i have a reverse story, but this separately, well, but you saw that people in the streets of simferopol, when they heard the ukrainian language, they looked at you as a villager, they didn’t look, they were afraid, it was interesting, well, let’s fight, yes, well, that there was already a time when you thought that she was a banderivka and now i'm going to do something bad to them... it was an open invitation, we are intelligent people here, i remember it well from

soviet kiev, i'm not talking about kharkiv , even post-soviet, i am not talking about donetsk, even post-soviet, about the dnipro, i i studied in dnipro, as you know, at the university, the only two places where ukrainian was spoken were the departments of ukrainian language and literature at the university. the local branch of the writer's union and everything, uh, and everything, because how can you speak in this condition, you won't show from some crowded village, and people who are from a crowded village, of course they want to talk culturally and not consider themselves to be of any kind khahlami, and already, you heard what one of the residents who lived in suja said, when we were going somewhere and started talking in this language, oh some came, well, the same village, well, clearly, some came from the village. you see, this is the kind of contempt and disdain that is cultivated in russia, and it used to be cultivated in the soviet union,

get over it, you churks, you are someone else, i will not repeat all the words that i have heard about myself throughout my life, here, but i i remember all this well, by political means, i would say. said, approbation, during my life i managed to change from jews to khokhlas, well, that is , people, i mean, that is, in other times, because people who found out that i was a ukrainian journalist, they forgot about my national, can i be humiliated by my national origin and humiliated by my citizenship, and this is absolutely normal for the greater. the behavior of the inhabitants of russia, and they, i would say, assert themselves, people without rights

always assert themselves, humiliating others, these people are ethnic ukrainians, it is true, they live in the border areas, this is how this border was drawn, this border between russian, the soviet federative socialist republic, the ukrainian soviet socialist republic in the 20s of the 20th century, specially. specially conducted, and so that there are no ukrainians, i know, a feeling of some kind of exclusivity, because you live in ukraine, you speak in your own language there. in ukrainian-speaking villages, but you move across the russian-ukrainian border, and there again the ukrainian language, but no one says that you understand that this is ukraine, that was the idea, but i think you can see an important thing that is not revealed enough when you speak a language and have no identity, language is an important marker of identity for others, but

for you it can, if not ee... identification with the state, if there is no understanding of what your history is, what your heritage is, if you perceive yourself as a native of a certain dialect, or if you want to convince yourself that it is a dialect, as it was always the case in the kuban, people spoke pure ukrainian, ugh, not even like in kurdistan, just a literary ukrainian language, but somewhere in the post-war years they invented that it was gibberish, invented that they... don't know the ukrainian language, i remember how i was in krasnodar in the 90s , conducted an interview with otaman, of kuban of the cossack army gromov, a well-known russian chauvinist, i was interviewing him, and i decided that i, please, we have a little time left before the break, but i prefer to hear

the end of this story, i decided that he should give me an interview in russian in ukrainian, i wanted to write it down. for the ukrainian service of radio liberty, he says: i don't know a single word of the ukrainian language, if you want, i 'll talk to you in our chatter, come on, i think, let me write it down, i'm just going to have some kind of ethnographic experiment, and here the ataman groman gave me an interview for half an hour in pure literary ukrainian, pure as you and i speak now, i told him, you gave an interview in ukrainian, no, i don't know ukrainian, it's tama, well here you go the whole story, huh. we take a short break, after which we will return to the conversation, and there are still a few topics that are definitely worth your attention. tingling, numbness, bother you? the dolgro complex helps to normalize the functioning of the nervous system. capsules dolgiit antinevro - help your nervous

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espresso, my name is khrystyna yatskiv, vitaly portnikov is with us, of course, and we still have 10 minutes to discuss important events for the world, events important for certain regions, and mr. vitaliy proposed, and i who such as to refuse, to talk about the announced visit, possibly in the near future. of the president of russia vladimir putin to azerbaijan, it should take place tomorrow and the day after tomorrow, august 18-19, he will meet there with ilham aliyev, bloomberg reports. on the other hand, there is also, as far as i understand, cautious information, i do not see any official confirmations, maybe yet, that french president emmanuel macron may visit armenia. as we know, the relations between these two countries have recently strengthened somewhat, even in context. some cooperation of a military nature, and mr. vitaly, what does this mean, what is happening now in the caucasus, some shift of emphasis looks roughly so, in general, you know,

putin reminds me of the hedgehog from the famous anecdote, remember, who was very afraid of flatulence after dinner, and ran all the time and shouted that nothing would happen to him, and when something unpleasant happened, he started running and shout that it didn't happen to him, if to retell this anecdote so intelligently, we are still on... television. now it is absolutely important for putin to prove that nothing happened to him, that everything is fine with him. you would think, there are some ukrainian troops there, somewhere in the kurt region, what's the difference, it's not his at all interesting, he is big, he is terrible, and he is doing serious business, and he just needs to go somewhere and show that he continues his foreign policy activities according to the planned schedule, but the number of countries that he can go to, as you understand, is not so great . and he cannot now, krystyna, go to any csto country, because if foreign troops enter russian territory, the csto countries are silent, as if

it does not concern them, he comes to some csto country and does not even ask for support, right ? huh, it looks like that too it's strange what kind of dkb you have, why did you stick to the kb, it's a strange thing, it means that there are even fewer countries left. to which, to which you can go, well, there is azerbaijan, a country that is in good relations with the russian federation, a country that is not a member of the csto, does not owe anything to russia, and in which you can spend a beautiful state visit, it is not easy trip, it is a state visit, and he understands that ilham aliyev is in this situation because ilham aliyev is balancing between russia, turkey and the west. ilham aliyev cannot refuse him, on the other hand, ilham aliyev russia's energy competitor, because the west is now trying to negotiate on azerbaijani gas so as not to buy

russian gas. well, this is a difficult situation, and there is also iran, well, i would add iran and israel to these countries of the balance. azerbaijan balances between them all, buys weapons from israel, in... wants to maintain good neighborly relations while iran itself wants to destroy israel, wants to have good relations with russia, but agrees with the west on how to fight the supply of russian gas . can you imagine how difficult this game is, well, in this game, of course, you don't need to tell putin, we don't want to see you here, it's to destroy the balance, putin understands that, he can go there, there won't be any sensitive decisions, of course, because... it's a demonstration of calm. in this situation, aliev should play the role of a person who should demonstrate that everything is fine with putin. by the way, aliyev already played such a role, he was

in moscow on february 22, 2022, remember? yes, i am signing an agreement with putin on strategic partnership, conditionally speaking, and putin also signed all this with him, as if he is busy with the caucasus, not ukraine. and aliyev is so powerless, because it was then that putin recognized the independence of the so-called dpr, that he did not even come to a joint press conference with putin, he signed something with him and flew to baku, and putin answered questions alone journalists after negotiations with the president of another country, and now the situation is very similar, i will not be surprised that aliyev is currently holding a joint press conference, mr. botnikov, but you said that in russia in... personally with azerbaijan there are no such topics in question, to what extent i understand, such sensitive topics, but the situation in

nagorno-karabakh, where... azerbaijan's actions from some side undermined a certain authority of the russian federation and its peacekeepers there, isn't that right? well, as we can see, the russians do not think so, for the russians the most important thing was to punish armenia, not to undermine the authority of their peacekeepers. if you know, if russia wants to punish a nation for disobeying putin, it can sacrifice the lives of its own soldiers, that's why russia didn't interfere with azerbaijan restore their territory. real integrity twice, twice, and when it came to the so-called security chain, that is , the regions of azerbaijan that were under romanian control for many decades, and when it came to nagorno- karabakh itself, as you can see, now in russia they do not mention it at all about nagorno-karabakh, there is one more moment, certainly in this story, but it is not of primary importance now for putin, but of secondary importance, to show azerbaijan that he is a true friend of azerbaijan, indeed in the situation when

president macron is going to armenia. here you see, this event is surrounding armenia, armenia has betrayed us, pashinyanyan is communicating with blinkin, and of course this is a threat to you, and i am your true friend, but you understand that aliyev is not lukashenka, he is not the person whom you can hang noodles in front of you, he will, of course, politely listen to putin, say: yes, mr. president, oh, i understand how much you are full of love for azerbaijan, all this will be beautifully expressed. but aliyev is a man who clearly gives himself an account of what russia is, and how it threatens not to not only azerbaijan, but also the regime of its own power, and always threatened. and that's all, one way or another, putin will try to disrupt the peace agreement between armenia and azerbaijan there in baku. will he succeed ? no, i don't think it will be possible. you think because, once again, its influence is not the same in the post-soviet space as it was

recently. this war, it has weakened his influence in the caucasus, we can see that, uh, the weakened influence of putin in the caucasus in a more, let's say such a distant perspective, can lead to the resolution of many hot points in this location? i really hope that armenia and azerbaijan will sign a peace agreement, i sincerely wish this to the armenian and azerbaijani people. i always say to armenian-azeris: i do not demand that you be friends and love. each other, i know for sure that this will not happen, and therefore i do not demand from you what you cannot fulfill, i dream that you can coexist in a peaceful region, have normal economic relations, even if not political ones, let you remain politically suspicious, but have normal economic and security relations and thus creating opportunities for the development of the region, for the development of the south caucasus, the development that russia tried

to stop. by its actions over the centuries, well, after the annexation of these territories by imperial russia, after the annexation of azerbaijan and armenia and georgia, by soviet russia, that was the usual annexation, and occupation, again, if we will call a spade a spade, so in this sense, i hope that now and in the armenian and azerbaijani peoples, not just states, peoples, first of all you will get out of this. belts, not in the direction of some great love and understanding, this will not happen for many more decades, in the direction of just normal, i would say, coexistence in not good-neighborly, neighborly coexistence, when armenian and azerbaijani mothers will not bury their children who will die at the front, this is the most important thing today, thank you mr. vitaly, as always vitaly portnikov and the saturday

political club. on saturday evening for viewers and listeners of espresso, i remind you that you should stay with us and on august 24, espresso is preparing a special project light people in dark times, for you there will be exclusive interviews with prominent ukrainians, don't miss it, we will work for you, mr. vitaly, thank you for always brilliant analytics, thank you krystyna for this conversation, all the best, goodbye, that 's all. the armed forces are brave, but putin is weak. how the world reacts to the special operation in the kursk region, the successful hunt that managed to destroy the airfields of the muscovites, and how odessa receives a record number of tourists during the war. good evening, ana yavomelnyk and the espresso team are here to talk about what's important for

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