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and it will be absolutely logical, with the reaction of the world to the events in the kursk region, the united states is very careful in its own. rhetorical figures when they talk about their awareness of what happened, how it was prepared and so on, but, but, joseph biden, the american president, answering questions from journalists the other day, said that the operation of ukraine in the kursk region created a real dilemma for the president of russia, vladimir putin. how would you decipher joseph biden's understanding of the situation and whether this dilemma really exists. for putin, because in essence, taking into account the peculiarities of the russian constitution, for them, kherson, the kurdish region are the same thing, that is, in essence, russians have long been in a situation where ukraine occupied their territories, i take all this into account quotes,

well, i would say take control, because we are not going to, we are not russians, we do not claim russian territories, we are not going to annex them, so this is... an invasion, it is not an occupation, i would say taking control, when such a term as creating dilemmas is used, it is of course both from international relations and from conflict theory, it is meant that someone has several choices, at least two of which are not very good, and one must choose with the least losses, and we don't know what mr. biden meant, but we can see what the dilemmas are... our our control over part of the russian territory created. the first is that in order to protect his territory, putin needs forces and means, and he has the option of pulling them away from the eastern direction, where, unfortunately, the russians are slowly advancing, they

have certain tactical successes there, and we we do not see that they are in a hurry to transfer forces and means from there, something happened, but not to the extent that we would like. of course, that they are now trying to cross and recruit, that is, from other regions of the russian federation, they immediately throw into battle, in fact, there was information that even conscripts are being used, i.e. everything that vilnov has at hand, they are doing and throwing at us, it is very interesting, by the way, that many experts in the west and mass media said that the russians are preparing something big , well then... the expansion of the invasion and some big operation, and therefore they accumulated large reserves, we did not see these reserves, that is , it turned out to be an informational and psychological operation against us and against our western partners, this is a military, political moment, if he does not enough people, despite the million-strong army, then he

will need to do something with mobilization, or covertly, when they intimidate from 400 to 2 million people. they are given to these murderers, is it necessary to announce a general mobilization, if general, it means on the one hand a blow to prestige, a blow to political support from the russian plebs, because it is not just the marginals and from ethical ethnic minorities who are going to fight, but will have to take from st. petersburg, from moscow, and of course that social tension will increase, then it's a question of what... what it literally seems like the week before last the head of the central bank of the russian federation talked about the state of the russian economy, there was quite a black picture, you know, not as black as we would like, that they are on the verge of disaster, but

still, and one of key points, one of the key points was the lack of manpower, that is, in order to now equip someone and leave to fight against us, such... it will be necessary to take them from factories, be it military defense factories, or factories of the civilian, that is, industry, but this will mean an even greater burden on the russian economy, which is not in the best condition, despite bravura statements that gdp growth there is faster than in germany or some other countries, so these are the dilemmas, and of course the territorial one, which you said that now the formula, let's fix the situation or real. on the ground, it will certainly not be used by the russian federation, since it will mean the loss of the legitimate, legal, as we also recognize, the territory of the russian federation, so they will look for some, some other forms, and of course, what is political success in our operation, i don't know

how the military component will end, but first and foremost, we broke this stereotype, the false stereotype that we, this war is at a dead end. that is, we have shown that we are able to take the means to accumulate strength and carry out a rather professional and beautiful military operation on the territory of the russian federation. and in fact, we did it with one hand behind our back, which is held by the same united states, because we do not have the, well, let's say this, the ability to attract all kinds of weapons, in particular from of the united states, precisely in this kursk operation, because we are talking about sovereign russian territory, and some countries, some countries are already moving away from e - this so-called red line, in germany they say that from

the moment german tanks arrived in ukraine , these have actually become ukrainian tanks, let them use them as they want, canada gave the go-ahead for the use of its weapons, weapons that are manufactured there, on the territory of the kurdish region, but joseph biden and his administration are still in every way inclined to a similar decision and a similar permission for of ukraine, in particular the delegate. tion bipartisan delegation of the united states, which visited the ukrainian capital this week. so do you really think we're getting to a point where there will be no taboos and no reservations from the united states about the use of weapons. of course, i would like to hope, because this is a ridiculous restriction, it is, firstly, secondly, well, in fact, these two years have shown failure. strategies in relation to russia, to ukraine, to this administration, and there is, well, you know, yes, it is

probably, after some time we will find out whether the americans knew about or jointly developed this operation, i have doubts about this, although the advisor of the president's office podalyak said that the americans were aware, in confirmation of his words, perhaps you can cite , that bucin and the ukrainians destroyed several... sties in the kurdish region using american missiles, if this is the case, it means whether they are aware or whether they were forced to help ukraine with the destruction of strategically important bridges on the territory of the russian federation, if the americans do not they knew, it was a surprise for them, well, as a surprise, probably their intelligence understood that the forces of ukraine were accumulating on the border with the russian federation, that we were planning something there, but they probably did not know the essence. of what will happen, and of course, they should not have shown themselves to be not

in control of the situation, that is exactly why they, well , actually supported our actions in our direction, well, whatever, this administration is already finishing its work, and maybe , if there was an agreement with the americans about our actions, and if we were given permission to strike in kurdish bridges, this means that more and more are taking their own... at least the strategy towards russia of ukraine, camila harris team. there is this phil gordon, a person who is very knowledgeable about european affairs, maybe he wants to show before the election day that kadmila garis is capable of not just continuing the same strategy, as i said, it is already a failure, absolutely obvious, but to do something else, and of course there is also pressure, including due to the elections. united states, you just showed lynsey graham, one of the leading republicans, who

said, well, we need to kick the ass of the russians, that they will increase the pressure on the administration, so that there are no ridiculous restrictions, so that ukraine is provided with more weapons, well, by the way, until today , only about 20% of that amount, allocated by the congress for security assistance to ukraine was used, and in fact in... all this at the end of september , in fact, the authorization for the use of this money ends, that is, let's say, the fiscal year, yes, and then it will be necessary to make certain additional bureaucratic measures in order to unlock this aid, so far we do not see the americans rushing, or rather this administration, well, the republicans usually use it as pressure on this administration and criticism, so i hope that they will change that they realize mistakes that... will change their approach, at least until the elections, and then, of course, with the new

administration, we will look at how to form a strategy for the victory of ukraine, which, by the way, was also a condition for voting for a large aid package of 61 billion, the administration had to provide a strategy for the victory of ukraine and where the goals of the united states for ukraine and russia would be highlighted. mr. alexander, i don't know if you have been following, but interesting theses. came out in donald trump's interview with elon musk, wow, yeah, i'm really a little bit in disbelief that i'm saying this, that we're even following this, but yes, it happened, and one of the ... of the most interesting points - is that donald trump said that he told putin not to invade ukraine, how do you generally assess this image move of the former american president and candidate for presidents, again from the republican party, to go to this interview, and in principle to say quite bright extraordinary

things, as always, well, first of all. there was a comment from john boldon, who was president trump's national security adviser, he said that there was no such conversation when he was the head of the department, and he is not aware from other sources that trump ever said anything like that to putin, so it's more likely that , you know how we have gpt chat, this artificial intelligence that sometimes hallucinates and gives very strange answers man i think it just was. let's say trump-style, he lives in this fantasy that the palm of musk and his platforms, this is also an interesting separate topic, because by and large this person bought twitter, a hugely popular western platform, not to make money, actually would, in order to promote the agenda, political and in particular the coming to power of donald trump, or

well, it was not known before whether donald trump would withstand the pressure, maybe... it was a landing party, there are a few more of the same nikigeli, that is, in basically he has a hidden hidden agenda, he's with peter thiel, another famous billionaire and tech leader, they're pushing their rather specific, shall we say, their specific ideas, they need people like trump and vance to implement, because they understand that they themselves are not able to come. in the white house, what was this stream of consciousness from both sides, where there is no criticality, you know, well, you are a professional journalist, you understand that no person, if he does not have an education, if he does not understand, how does journalism work, it cannot conduct a high-quality interview, because, for example, there will be no fact-checking, i.e. checking the facts to see if it is

fiction, if it is a lie, or if it is true . asking questions, then everything is mannered, because of course there is, for example, a hard talk, with the one with the saker, where he asks rather uncomfortable questions to his interlocutors in order to reveal the interlocutor, and what was between trump and, therefore, musk , it was such, you know, a very childish, childish question and trump's praise of on the part of musk, this is definitely not journalism, this is propaganda, why does trump say this... i think the answer is that he took to his team of pr and strategists those who were with him in the 16th year, and actually the key, key thesis of these people, let trump be himself, actually through this stream of consciousness, and he will attract, and he will attract to himself those people

who, well, that is, this is a demand for something like this, so trump offers, thank you , thank you sir. oleksandr khara, diplomat, expert of the center for defense strategies on foreign affairs and security policy, and now ihor simivolos, director of the center for middle eastern studies, in touch with the studio, mr. ihor, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine, congratulations, congratulations to you, your viewers, glory to the heroes. huh, already in a few weeks, the world is watching and waiting for the so-called response of iran to what happened in ... geranium a few weeks ago, namely the elimination of hamas leaders, and these are really very vivid events that have certain consequences, but only iran has so far refrained from striking israel, which is what it is now is this iran's balanced approach to the situation?

well, i think that the key, the key situation that is affecting the behavior of tehran right now is the negotiations that are going on to end the war in gaza, and i think that iran is giving a chance, of course, not useless, giving a chance to this for the negotiations to take place, they understand very well, at least a large part of the new presidential team in tehran also understands that the attack on israel now gives a chance... for netanyahu to get off the hook and return to a tough policy towards the palestinian issue. ago. now, if only the stars have coincided that the americans need this agreement, they really need it, and the iranians keep

israel in a state of constant tension, and according to the same israeli experts, most likely israel cannot and will not be able to repel the blow of an attack by iran without american help, i.e. another.. . a lot of factors have coincided now, and obviously, pezeshkian, his team, maybe even alikh menei, as the supreme leader, decided to wait, and in this sense, as i said, it is not done in vain, but it is done with a hint that that between iran and the united states of america may then begin settlement negotiations. and the easing of sanctions, so i think the iranians are, well, at least hinting at that. if we talk about

the negotiations that are taking place in qatar, then the president of the united states, joseph biden , warns all parties against the disruption of these negotiations. what are the contacts based on now and what are each of the parties insisting on now? well? is not fully known, because the israeli position is not fully understood either, since, as far as i know, there are differences between hamas's position and israel's position, and israel is now trying to advance a more hawkish position, instead , hamas is demanding that the parties base their agreement on previous agreements that took place earlier in the summer, so. it turns out that the main intrigue is around this, and here the americans can play a key role, forcing both sides to accept this

agreement, which will obviously not be liked by either israel or hamas, and meanwhile the palestinian leaders are looking for support where they can afford to look for her, and the president palestine mahmud abbas visited... it was interesting to watch this meeting, at least in the context of its coverage in the russian mass media, as a crazy victory for the russian leader was presented, for example, by the telegraph agency of the soviet union, this meeting with mahmud abbas, interestingly, it is interesting, but let's look at it from the other side, what is the palestinian leader looking for now in the russian federation? well, obviously he's looking for support. he is ready to turn to anyone, because now is really coming a-a such a very important moment for the future of the palestinian state, that is, while

all the actors are warmed up, while this issue is on the agenda, while they are talking about it, or else we have to forge iron until, as they said , the gorbachev reconstruction, that is, in this case , i think that... for the palestinians, the key is not in favor of doing everything so that the palestinian issue is not messed up, but after the gas agreement, on the contrary, it was brought up for a wider discussion, and it was included in the agenda of the future american administration and other key players, that is why. they and make these visits, trying to enlist the support of everyone, everyone they can get. well, they want to involve not

only russia, but also turkey, recep tayyip erdogan. turkey, china, the united states of america, if they are ready to join. that is, in fact, the palestinians, by and large , do not care who participates in solving their issue. the more countries are ready. will, or will be determined to resolve the middle east conflict, the better for the palestinians. well, in general, do you now see any conscious way out of the situation, v which the parties have forced themselves into, in fact, as israel, we understand, cannot deviate from its chosen path to drink from its chosen path, so can palestine. che can now insist on something else, that the difference from what they usually declare, can the end of this war be as quick

as? and actually the beginning, well i would rather talk about the conflict, because basically, even if we look at this war, the war with hamas, yes, it's just an element of that conflict that's been going on for more than 100 years, they, it different, different aspects, different opportunities of the parties, and it is clear that much will depend on which government will be found. in israel, so far the existing government is not ready to make any serious concessions, even more, they are not even ready to hear about the creation of a palestinian state, they have essentially canceled the decision on the two state solution, and at least most of the members of the government have been actively opposing the oslo accords for some time, and... change

is almost impossible, but, as i said, the situation is heated and there are too many risks to leave it in the form that does not exist, and it is clear that the pressure will increase, yes , that is, as soon as the gas situation begins to unravel, then it will become obvious that the issue is broader, that is, that a palestinian state be created, the conditions under which... it will be created, the circumstances that will contribute to its creation and the security of israel, i think all of this will be discussed, but it is unlikely that the israelis will be able to maintain the status quo and a situation where a large part of the west bank is occupied, continues to be occupied, and is regularly settled with jews in the settlements that are being built.

contrary to international law, mr. igor, very briefly, just one minute, we understand that lebanon and israel regularly exchange rocket attacks, 5 days ago lebanon announced 30 missiles from the side, or rather , lebanon launched 30 missiles on the territory of israel, today announced that as a result of israeli rocket fire, they have civilians dying, should we hope for de-escalation... at least in this direction, in the northern direction from, well, i think, yes, i think, a large percentage of what in the case of signing agreement on gaza, termination war in gaza, there will also be a de-escalation of the conflict in the north of israel, or at least, well , we can start from this when we talk about the beginning of this escalation, yes, it started right after the war in gaza started.

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