people leave, it will mean that at the end of the war, ukraine will be a country devastated by demographics. if we remember that even before the start of this war , ukraine's demographic prospects were, to put it mildly, catastrophic, then one catastrophe after another will simply turn this country into a territory without any real demographic prospects. this does not mean that there will be no population on the territory of ukraine, there will be, it's just that it will not be ukrainians, it will be a state of other people, correspondingly. to what migration waves will pass through ukraine in the next decades. i certainly wish it weren't so. and i think that the people currently working in the ukrainian leadership are also thinking about how to preserve the population here. so, these are the principles of mutual interest of the parties, and these negotiations, as far as i understand, are taking place according to the same scheme, if they are taking place according to the same scheme, according to which the agreements on the grain agreement are taking place and took place. ugh. it was about the fact that both

the ukrainian delegation and the russian delegation are meeting with representatives of qatar, and not among themselves, about the fact that such an agreement will not be long-term, there we were talking about two months, this is again the grain agreement scheme, so, in principle, i am not surprised that the russians suspended their participation after the ukrainian raid on the kurdish region in the process, it is completely in line with vladimir putin's political style. they asked to give them time, that is, it is interesting that they did not completely slam the door, but asked to give them time , of course, they need these negotiations, but putin never, this is also a fact, does any political movements that would allow us to believe that he makes decisions under pressure from others, this is related to his foreign policy, this is related to his domestic policy, you can prove to putin as much as you want that this or that person needs to be removed from office .

because she is incompetent, putin will do it, he can understand it and agree with your reasoning, but in a year or two, when everyone will forget about these demands, this is how it happened, by the way, with the minister of defense of the russian federation , sergei shuigu, about the fact that he is incompetent putin, i think, understood in 2022, but when people from all sides began to say that it is beautiful, shuiga and gerasimov must be moved, most importantly and absolutely. er, putin's predictable reaction was to keep him in office. by the way, if you ask me, will putin remove from the post of chief of the general staff valery gerasimov after the kurdish failure. i will tell you this. he will remove it. and he basically said about it at this meeting, which was dedicated to the events in kursk region, that we will definitely deal with personnel matters. and now the main thing is not that. this means that the resignation of the chief of the general staff may take place. no sooner than six to 10

months after the event, so that no one believes that putin removed him from his position under pressure. now, if these negotiations really took place, for the parties to return to the conversation, it will take about a month, a half, or two months, taking into account how the events will develop on the kurdish front. or, if putin believes that he has achieved some significant success in donetsk. he will also be absolutely in condition start the negotiation process again, and then we basically understand how the events on the russian-ukrainian front can develop, in principle, the parties can reach agreements on non-firing of uncontrolled territories, the so-called. ugh. russia will stop. the territory

of ukraine, and ukraine will stop shelling the territory of russia, while hostilities on the territory of ukraine and russia will continue. what is it for? ukraine will try to enter russian territory in such a way as to show russia what it has to realize that her further territorial conquests may arise. to the same actions of ukraine, and russia will try to annex as much ukrainian territory as possible and at the same time destabilize the situation in ukraine itself, because as you understand, if you imagine that the day has come, relatively speaking, on september 1, there will be no more air alarms, drones, the infrastructure is being restored, but... civil life is normal, there are no

power outages, well, at least there are a lot of them, planes may even start flying. well if you don't have a missile threat, if no one fires at you, why can't you open, as we dreamed about it a few months ago, an airport there in kyiv or in lviv, can our airspace according to these agreements be recognized as safe to some extent parallels, the war continues, the mobilization continues, the funeral of people continues daily. and people in the peaceful territory generally live outside the war, that is, the chasm between the war and the population is deepening, one moment, another moment, elections, why can’t they be held then

elections, this will also be an issue that will be thrown into ukrainian society, we live peacefully, we can hold elections in a peaceful territory, we just need to ensure... the conditions for voting on the military, well, there will be many such conversations, russia will actively contribute to this. so, the next moment, after all this, when there will be an understanding that both governments, because russia will also have problems if we control its territories, will not remove this threat, that they are both threatened by internal destabilization. and need some restarting the situation, the following decision will be made: just like that, in qatar, the decision to cease fire on the front line, on the front line, not only is it

peaceful there in these territories, yes, but between the troops, this will be the next stage, i do not know when , uh, i 'm just telling the scheme, after... after the agreement on the ceasefire on the front line is reached, i don't know where this contact line will pass then, strangely enough , it can pass through the territory of russia, but not only on the territory of ukraine. we are this we cannot know now. then there will really be elections in ukraine, presidential and parliamentary, and after that, from the results of these elections and from how our western allies will treat the situation, whether they will be ready to provide us with any security guarantees after this ceasefire or not , and by the way, what the new ukrainian leadership will want, we do not know at all what it will be, it may be the ukrainian

version of the georgian dream, it may be a party that will blame the previous leadership for not being prepared before the war they provoked, and this is the georgian dream now... it is not the russians, but saakashvili who blames saakashvili for the outbreak of the war, that he was the provocateur, well, in my opinion, we have a similar leadership right now, well, the leadership that the previous leadership noted as such but it is somehow for, but somehow it is not talked about much now, but it can fall into its own trap, and the further development of events depends on how this situation will look, that's all, that is, the further development. will this cease fire end somehow peace, or it will turn into a new war, after a certain time, i cannot say that, because it will, you know, i am not the ukrainian people, the ukrainian people very often draw such paradoxical conclusions from the political situation

that i am not even ready to comment on them . you and i have looked so far ahead now, at least we tried, maybe not that far, maybe not that far, because this story with the... negotiations in qatar, if they happen at all, really, could be a pilot project of this, after all, the pilot project in this case was the grain agreement, well, of course, absolutely, absolutely, the pilot project was the grain agreement, mr. vitaliy, everything you said now is heard and considered very logical, which cannot be said about what the republican presidential candidate donald trump says from time to time and... i don't know if you followed his interview with elon musk, that's what it was about, there were several interesting points about ukraine, in particular, and trump allegedly told putin not to invade ukraine, somehow, or what you heard is subject to your analysis

succumbs, i believe that there are two donald trumps, one donald trump is the trump of political technologists. this is a person who carefully studies the instructions that are written to him in order for him to win the elections. and we have seen this trump, let's say, in miloki, it seems. when he said that he will be the president of all americans, that winning with the help of half the population is not a victory, and we saw this kind of trump in his telephone conversation with volodymyr zelensky, when he expressed support for ukraine, because it is obvious to him they said that the way he behaves in relation to ukraine is arrogant, and that it is better for him, it is better for you to talk to the ukrainian president, if the ukrainian president wants him. howl his support after the assassination attempt and say that all this talk about him being ready to surrender ukraine is fake

news for trump to do, but there is a living, real donald trump who has nothing to do with donald trump, a political technologist, he is alive man, and by the way, we know that at the last meeting with donors, big donors, when they said donald you just lose the election when you show the real you please. follow the instructions of the company, don't show how crazy you are, he said: i am the way i am, it's very hard and very tight for him in some, you know, bars, he wants to be the way he is, he gets drunk like many politicians of the populist faction, from the crowd, from the reaction, from the laughter, from the shouts, it creates a narcotic impression for him, when he, a person who had to announce several times... bankruptcy and about real a fortune that no one knows, who has always tried to pretend that she is a billionaire,

and it is not known whether she once was this billionaire in her life, is talking to a real billionaire, also, of course, to some extent an effervescent, but a person with the reputation of the worst one of the richest people in the world, illan musk, this also puts him in a state of exaltation, which of course allows him to then say what he really thinks, so he thinks certain things for a ... really once, then he is very bad for his information, so everyone says it's age, but i don't think it is some age, because i am not age at all, i think that there is simply a lack of interest in certain topics, and donald trump has always had it evident, he is not interested in many things, he is not interested in politics, in some way such a real science, relatively speaking, or some content, he is not interested, he says what he hears there, he is quite a simple person in this regard, he watches tv, hears something there, falls asleep, again... this is absolutely normal for such an overloaded problem of a person , a person sits, well, not really young, almost

tv, hears something there, doesn't hear something there, falls asleep, wakes up, hears something again, then tells elon musk about it. that's all for you. of course, donald trump is a man who sincerely admires the power of power. this is his religion. and of course, in this situation, in this. pantheon, he sees vladimir putin as one of his greatest idols, because vladimir putin really has unlimited power in his country, in a big country, big power, a man who can, as i said, push the red button and not no united of the united states of america, has such power that he may not even consult with anyone about it, well , it is you that trump admires, as we can see, he admires this not putin, the power of putin, not what act, it would be strange if a person. ..the scale of trump and the charisma of trump admired a kimchan, the power

of a kimchan, imagine putting some congressmen, loading a cannon and shooting at them with a cannon, at the leaders of the majority there, in the senate and the house of representatives, trump simply cannot dream of it, but he admires it , and by the way, how trump can to be so infatuated, the storming of the capitol story showed, he really thought it was... the norm, because he's infatuated with brute force, and he thinks he's strong, and if you want, does this stream of consciousness that we hear from of this person, yes, he believes that the strong have the right to order the weak, do you remember how in the first months of his presidency he absolutely, i would say, vulgarly pushed the then president of croatia away from the other participants there... from the conference he was at , do not remember this there was a nato summit or something to get a front-up picture, he behaved absolutely, i

would say, with a huge disrespect for people, but he is sure that if he is the president of the united states, he can push, he can hit, he can act like that, and that is why he looks at putin like that, putin is the president of a strong country who attacked a weak country, and this weak country should have agreed to his demands a long time ago, but it is showing off, well... of course, the united states is also strong the state, they can to help, but the question arises as to why, why help people who with such tenacity cannot understand that they are the ones fighting a strong state, that's the whole logic of trump, it's simple. and transparent, but again there is another trump, to whom political technologists will say tomorrow, you have to say again that you will be together with ukraine, make you crain great again, and he will say it like a parrot from the new york zoo, but you have to remember remember that if

donald trump, god forbid, wins the presidential elections in the united states, it is still possible. the country will be ruled by no trump political technologists, he will then send all these political technologists, give them money, write them checks, this is also not guaranteed, and say: go for those three letters that you can read in every closet, which is taken care of by my beloved vladimir putin. here, please go to russia, read the books and go to them. and i will rule the way i want, because you are now no one and nothing can hold me back. in the decisions that i will make, here is the whole trump. another interesting event happened this week, even several german ones the media, it seems it was on august 14, report that in early june , the german prosecutor general's office issued an arrest warrant for a ukrainian in the case of undermining the nord stream thread, and this is allegedly ukrainian

diving instructor volodymyr, and the german spiegel meanwhile reports that he is ukrainian. .. whom germany was going to arrest in poland for participating in the cutting of the gas pipeline, left polish territory, and if it were to lead to the fact that poland helped a ukrainian to escape from responsibility, as i read it, maybe mr. vitaly now swindles, but then publishes quite an interesting article literally the next day from the wall street journal and reports that it was ukrainian top officials who were involved in blowing up a gas pipeline in the baltic sea, it was an operation approved by zaluzhny, an operation approved by zelenskyi and chervinskyi... it could also be involved, in a word, mr. vitaly, how do you see the current development of events, we don’t know whether the german prosecutor’s office has enough grounds to issue a warrant for the arrest of a ukrainian, but i want to believe that some of their arguments are more or less drowned out it is well, we haven't seen these arguments, we

only see what the media write, and if a person is suspected of something, it does not mean that this person committed this crime. two, third, by the way, i agree with the prime minister of poland, donald tusk, who said that those who advocated the construction of the northern streams should shut up and apologize, i think, first apologize, then shut up, but i totally agree with that because if you remember i was one of those journalists who kept reminding me that as soon as it was over the construction of the nordic streams will start a great war in europe and i have lived through years of being laughed at. when i said that, they laughed in ukraine too, they laughed so that i was most unpleasant in germany, my colleagues, some of them openly worked for moscow, like the favorite of ukrainian tv channels, oleksandr rar, some were just such useful idiots, and professional journalists ,

experts, but you know, when i was laughed at in ukraine, i could still agree with it, because i knew that... ukrainian society is absolutely infantile, absolutely unable to understand russia's intentions at all, i saw it in all the votes in ukraine, in most of the votes that did not take place after the uprisings, because ukrainians usually came as children only after the uprisings and never in peacetime, but that that i was ridiculed by the germans, for me it has always been and remains a huge, i would say mental problem, because i believed that they were...actually minded people, that they were practical and aware of something in politics, but they turned out to be simply stupid. i'm for life, oh we mentioned donald trump. i remembered for the rest of my life how donald trump, being the president of the usa, it's not some journalists there, it's the entire american president standing on the podium, i don't remember which conference, saying: if you complete the nord stream, if you

will start all this, you will be completely dependent on russia for energy, what do you do? and the german delegation... sits, points fingers at him and laughs, remember, there was such footage, ugh, they just laugh at his words, and i watched it and thought, well, yes, well, that's all, it's interesting, by the way, where are all these people, they were leading ministers in angela merkel's cabinet, but in the end no one was wrong, neither trump nor i, germany painfully got rid of its energy dependence on russia. and right after nord stream two was completed, russia wasted no time and started a war with us, the big war in europe started, so... donald tusk is right. this whole detective story about zelenskyi preparing explosions, the cia found out about it. zelenskyi said to cancel the operation, but

zaluzhny did not cancel it. it looks beautiful for old street journal readers only. because you and i know very well that this is not how the government in ukraine works, well, you understand that, right? ugh. when the supreme commander-in-chief gives the commander-in-chief. of the armed forces of ukraine, an order not to carry out certain actions, and he carries out, these are actions with legal consequences, you understand that, huh, and if these legal consequences do not occur for the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, they occur for the people who carry out these and other actions, so it is still necessary to analyze all this, to prove, to understand what is actually there happened, to understand why germany did not add... the person it wanted to arrest to the list of persons it is looking for, but simply sent some request to the polish prosecutor's office, it's all strange,

you see, everyone's actions are strange, so let's see whose the ears will stick out later, well , there are many opinions on this matter from different ukraine, since it is just a diving instructor, a few more people, almost no tourists. they sailed up on some tourist yacht and destroyed a strategic object, ugh, well, it’s also strange if it was ukrainian instructor, so why are we surprised, well, let's say yes, mr. vitaly, we know, now we know what kind of diving instructor we need, right? yes, i have always wanted to swim to the underwater museum under lancerote island, looks like you have every chance. there are statues under the water, but you have to dive very deep to see these statues, i always wondered who would teach me so that i don't drown there with these statues,

because i became a new statue, well now i know who can do, good, good, further we are following the development of events and maybe some things will seem really funny to us in the near future, mr. vitaliy, going back to the events at kurshchyna, a few such... questions, you know, purely worldview arise, both for me and many ukrainians, well, for example, when we watch videos recorded by the ukrainian military, from kurshchyna, with local residents, and listen to these videos, we understand that these people speak a language that is extremely close to the ukrainian language, of course, it has other inclusions, it is not can be called purely russian or ukrainian, but... but less so, these people still do not consider that their language is ukrainian, they avoid this definition in any way they like, call it their own chatter,

their dialect, speech, and so on, what, why don't they admit to themselves, at least, that they have something that russian propaganda scared them so much, because they believe that to speak such a language is to recognize yourself as a second-class person. i don't understand why you don't understand this, this is the process that happened in the streets of all the big ones ukrainian cities, well, except for lviv, kyiv , kharkiv, odesa and dnipro, for ten years people came from kyiv oblast, odesa, kharkiv oblast, dnipropetrovsk oblast, to the big cities of millionaires and not only for them, and the first thing they did was try to learn from the ukrainian language that you do not remember this what? i remember it well, people tried to do it, i am one of those who tried to somehow support this ukrainian language, at least at the level of my own

family, that is, i have a reverse story, but this is separate, well, well, but you saw that people in on on the streets of simferopol, when they heard the ukrainian language, they looked at you like a villager, they didn't look, they were afraid, it was interesting, well, yes, well, it was already a chuck, but you thought that she was a banderivka and now there is something do something bad to them. and it was an open appeal, we are intelligent people here, i remember it well from soviet kyiv, i am not talking about kharkiv, even post-soviet, i am not talking about donetsk, even post-soviet, about dnipro, i studied in dnipro, as you know, at the university, the only ones the two places where the ukrainian language was spoken were the departments of the ukrainian language and... at the university and the local branch of the writers' union and that's all, uh, that's all, because how can you speak in this condition, you won't show some crowded village, and people who

are from... a crowded village, of course they want to speak culturally and not consider themselves to be any kahls, you heard what one of the residents from those who lived in suja said when we were going somewhere and started using this language to talk, oh how come they came, well, the same village, well, it's clear, the khahls from the village, you see, this is the kind of contempt and contempt that is cultivated in russia, and it used to be cultivated in the soviet union, you khahls, you churks. you are someone else, i will not repeat all the words that i have heard about myself throughout my life, but i remember all this well, through political, i would say, approbation during my life i managed to pass from the jews to uhohla, well yes that is, people.

that is, at other times, because people who found out that i am a ukrainian journalist, they forgot about my national that i can be humiliated by my national origin and was humiliated by my citizenship, and this is absolutely normal behavior for most residents of russia, and they, i would say, assert themselves, people without rights always assert themselves by humiliating others, these people are... ethnic ukrainians, it is true, they live in the border areas, this is how this border, this border between the russian soviet federative socialist republic and the ukrainian soviet socialist republic was drawn in the 20s of the 20th century, specially, specially drawn, and so that ukrainians don't have, i know, a feeling of some kind of exclusivity, here you live in

ukraine, you speak the ukrainian language there with... your goals, but then you move across the russian-ukrainian border, and there again the ukrainian language, but no one doesn't say that you understand that this is ukraine, that was the idea, but i think you can see an important thing that is not enough when you speak a language and have no identity, language is an important marker of identity, for others, but for you, it can, if not... identification with the state, if there is no understanding of what your history is, what your heritage is, if you perceive yourself as a native of a certain dialect, or if you want to convince yourself that it is a dialect, as it was always the case in the kuban, people spoke pure ukrainian, ugh, not even like in kursk, just in literary ukrainian, but somewhere in the post-war years, they invented that it's gibberish,

you guys. that they don't know the ukrainian language, i remember when i was in krasnodar in the 90s, doing an interview with the ataman of the kuban cossack army, gromov, a well-known russian chauvinist, i did an interview with him, and i decided that i am asking, we have a little time left before the break, but i prefer to hear the ending, and i decided that he should give me an interview in russian, ukrainian, ugh. wanted to record it for the ukrainian service of radio liberty. he says: i don't know a single word of the ukrainian language. do you want me to talk with you in our chat? well, come on, i think, let me write down some chatter and i'll just have some kind of ethnographic experiment. and here ataman groman in the pure literary ukrainian language, pure as we speak with you now, gave me an interview for half an hour. i say to him: "did you give an interview in ukrainian?" no, i don't know ukrainian, says tama. well,

here's the whole story. ugh. the news editor is ready to talk about the main thing. anayeva melnyk is with you. greetings to all viewers. defense forces repelled a mass attack in donetsk region. this was reported in the general staff of the armed forces. in the morning, the russians tried to break through the ukrainian defenses in the area of ​​zaliznete northern settlements. therefore, the occupiers wanted to advance towards turkey. our defenders successfully repelled the assaults. during the battle, 10 were destroyed units of russian equipment, and also liquidated.