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whose director of the institute of world politics will now discuss with us what is really happening in world politics, in world politics there is a lot of, let's say, ukrainian affairs. good health, mr. yevgeny, thank you for volunteering to talk with us this sunday evening. congratulations, mr. mykola, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. look, here we believe, you believe in what, because when you listen. and some western journalists, and russian, so-called good, and bad, and terrible, russian, negotiations have been going on somewhere for a month, or someone is approaching negotiations, or they have started these negotiations, some kind of secret, semi-secret, super secret, at the level of eight deputy ministers of foreign affairs, now began to say that the ukrainian offensive on kurshchyna had failed. in negotiations,

allegedly indirect negotiations on energy, which took place somewhere in the middle east in qatar, as if between, through the mediation of someone, something between ukraine and russia, in order not to shoot, as it were , at energy facilities, the ukrainians will not stand by russian energy facilities, and the russians will not stand by ukrainian, by ukrainian, this can be believed, we , we, we assume such a possibility, because i have меня терзаят смутные субнения. as our russian friends say, excuse me, specifically in this case, which the washington post writes about, i also have some doubts, well, first of all, why these negotiations, as they write, without participation mr. lloyd austin, he was actually outraged by the strikes of ukrainian drones on russian oil refineries, this is the first. second, i

don't see the point in holding similar negotiations on a similar topic with the russians, they, well, i, i don't see how and what can be agreed upon, that is, they talk about the fact that, for example, an anti-aircraft missile hit okhmadite rocket caused the destruction, yes, before that they also said that everything... residential buildings were destroyed, let's say, in kyiv, not only in kyiv, it was always a ukrainian anti-aircraft missile, and what would stop them to say that, for example, the kyiv gest dam was also destroyed by a ukrainian anti-aircraft missile, well, it seems to me that this is the overseas chupacabra syndrome, when there are many people on vacation there, after all, august is the western season. vacations, but no

authoritative publication can stop the publication, so they are fantasizing about something, and considering this article, they gathered this information from russia in the first place, and it is clear that they will talk about negotiations there, because putin objectively, at the moment in is interested in negotiations, because for him , negotiations are at least one of the ways to stop the advancement of ukraine in the kurdish region on the territory of the russian federation? mr. yevgeny, in principle you would volunteer for any negotiations, because there are people, maybe you belong to them, i don't know, who are skeptical of the very principle, of the very possibility of conducting negotiations with the russian federation, having a very simple argument, that they always fool. and and and as

german classics are always quoted, the signature is not worth the volume, the piece of paper on which this signature of the russian delegation. whatever it is, it means that it is signed, that is, there is logic here, on the other hand, other people say that, well, we still need to talk about something, it can’t be, the act of unconditional surrender of the russian armed forces is hardly possible in our 21st century, what do you say, you know, in view of the events in the korsk region, we all collectively came closer to the act of unconditional surrender of the russian armed forces, well , relatively, of course, but we came closer, this is the first thing, and secondly, i understand that in the world exists a strong request for ukraine and russia to sit down at the negotiating table, but i do not see that

this request was articulated specifically in the interests of ukraine, that is what the problem is, that is, i do not see that, for example, it is about... prospects, well, for example, the nuclear disarmament of the russian federation, that is, we have, you know, a request for negotiations between two states that, as it were, started a war against each other at the same time, but this is not so, they are in different weight categories, it was russia that started the so-called special military operation. this is putin spoke about the denazification and demilitarization of ukraine. ukraine is resisting unexpectedly, including for many actors in the west, but in any case, these are not equal

positions, so to talk about some kind of universal equality, and as you know, the thesis that all wars end with negotiations, it false the second world war did not end in defeat. we're talking, it's true, if we're talking about unconditional surrender, but look, what do you think about surrendering the modern world to a just peace as such, because you understand, starting from of the old testament, humanity has progressed somewhere, because justice is an eye for an eye, this is justice, you killed me, i killed you, whether there or a state or a tribe killed you because you killed me, now for how much you didn't kill there is no death penalty everywhere except in belarus, if it is not quite fair, you killed, but you were not killed, so here, yes, russia attacked, just peace, this is the disarmament of russia, the collapse of russia, where, where, where, where, decolonization parts of russia and so, well,

in short, you can list for a long time, but is there any for these possibilities, the modern world is ready to at least consider such possibilities that the war will end precisely with... a just peace and the punishment of the criminal, i think, i am here, i think that a just peace in the modern world is impossible, because there is at least two different formations, on the one hand there is democracy, where the actors somehow coordinate their actions, and on the... on the other hand there are autocracies, and autocracies are quite numerous, and of course they want to demonstrate to the whole world that their order, their the decision-making procedure is more progressive, he allows you to do many things faster, that is why

russia acts as a kind of herald of the autocratic part of the world. where it takes responsibility for its actions, it is an empire that has stopped pretending to be a federation, completely stopped, and this must be emphasized absolutely clearly and completely clearly to us, and we must form a picture of the world without russia, we have already wasted enough time on that, that we do not form this picture. because the world after 1991, and tomorrow is the anniversary of the beginning of the rebellion of the gkchp, the so- called, the world got used to that instead of soviet the union that had to be reckoned with came russia, which, in fact

, no one elected to the place of the soviet union, neither to the un security council, nor to other organizations in general, and it is playing the role of the soviet union there, taking advantage. to a large extent, the soviets are still a resource in many issues, that is, it is all definitely there, and why should we look at it calmly, why do we not make efforts to ensure that various countries find themselves in a situation where they realize that the world without russia will be better, i don't know, because the dismantling of russia is the guarantee of peace in the world, and this seems to me quite obvious, although i know and realize that the west does not want the disintegration of russia, because it sees... such a scenario as the prospect of china's strengthening, it is quite obvious.

let's return home, about the banning of the russian orthodox church, well, it seems that there are already votes, and president zelenskyy is calling and hinting, which we see now, although in a different context, that it is necessary to somehow already ban this russian orthodox church, is it realistic ... firstly, because it is talked about for a long time, but something is not done for this, for this ban, and the second question, what to do with the faithful of the russian orthodox church, there may not be many of them, but these are tens of thousands of people who continue to believe that there is good russian, and the russian of the pope, they are good, among them there are, moreover, i am told that there are also priests of the russian orthodox church in ukraine who help the front. and they donate, and money, and treat, and try to somehow help,

that is, what to do with these people, are there any options for the behavior of the state and ukrainian society, in relation to this so-called russian, so-called orthodox, so-called of the so-called church, please, i think here the question should be divided into two components, the first is the actual prohibition of the russian orthodox church, it is mandatory, and here the two components are interconnected: the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, or essentially the russian orthodox the church in ukraine, it is the largest part of the russian orthodox church, it is the diamond in kiril gundyaev's tiara, and it must be understood that we should nationalize or secularize this diamond, as you wish, simply. a lot of ukrainian parliamentarians, as it turns out, are afraid of amsterdam, not a city in the netherlands, but

such a canadian lawyer, you know, who promises them various sanctions, well, it is from the submission of individual, as they are called, dechurched businessmen who appropriately protect their interests in the russian orthodox church, in ukraine. this is the time, as far as the faithful are concerned, they are all completely different, definitely different, and a discussion is needed here, i think, with the participation of the all-ukrainian council of churches and religious organizations, i think that there should be certain shifts and certain help from the state in becoming orthodox. the church of ukraine as a local church, perhaps to this one, to that one

the ecumenical patriarchate should be included in the discussion, perhaps, but definitely not the russian orthodox church, that is absolutely clear. thank you, let's say thank you to mr. yevhen magda, executive director of the institute of world politics, he really reminded me, and i forgot, that tomorrow is really august 19, i remember. on this very good day, in 1991, it was the eve when ukraine became independent, rather unexpectedly, at least for me, today at the end of the program we will talk with volodymyr filenko, who then played a very active role in this independence, in this eager now let's talk about the near east, i don't, yes, we can already see the map, mykhailo yakubovych, orientalist, candidate of historical... sciences, scientist of the oriental studies department of the university of freiburg,

located in germany, thank you, mr. mykhailo, i welcome you to the beautiful the city of freiburg, i went there many times through the freiburg black forest to ski, it was like this in my life, look, i have a simple and difficult question, i ask all the experts, because... i'm obviously not an expert, but i have some internal, since i follow - very much for a long time, for many decades, what has been happening in the middle east, i have the impression that there will be no war after... despite the preparations, despite the calls, despite what iran says, despite what hamas says, hezbollah says, israel says , america is speaking, but such a force-serial of people, who hold the hands of all possible potential participants in the conflict, that i do not yet see the options that there will be a big

war, how someone can shoot at someone, but not so seriously, it is... everything is definitely at the level of sensations, i do not say that i am the owner, the owner of what knowledge, it seems so to me, i have a feeling that something is not right, that a war is about to come, what do you say, mr. mykhailo? i totally agree, in order to have a big war, you need a lot of preparation, troop movement, mobilization, economic various shifts, and proxy wars, they have been going on for some time, and... neither iran, nor israel, nor lebanese hezbollah, well some such steps, where there would be no point of return, are not taken and will not be taken at the moment. now, in most cases, these are, i would say, instrumental operations related to the continuation of politics, and the expectation of the american elections, that is, who

will still win there, what line trump can take, what line the democrats can take. another issue is that some economic changes are taking place, for example, in the same lebanon it has already come to the point that the lights are turned off, and not because someone destroyed the infrastructure there, but because the situation is so difficult that there was not even anything to buy fuel there, i.e. imagine the arab neighbors of israel, to be honest, i.e. next to the oil rich country on the one hand, next to a country where there is nothing to refuel even a power plant, that is... this shows huge distortions, further, further, the iranians also do not want to repeat their experience of such empty shots, and well, they are trying to put pressure in every way with this argument on some negotiations taking place in cairo and in so far, and from the words of the americans: there will finally be

some effect there, but it is not there yet, and today's statement... netanyahu that he is not ready to agree to some things, there is the withdrawal, in particular, of troops from the border between, between gaza and egypt, they testify that indeed, some kind of conflict will continue, but such a war as, unfortunately, the russian attack on ukraine, well, we should not expect it, no one there will pull it out, and there are no parties that would throw everything at this war, now about that. .. you can safely say it, mr. mykhailo, i am not convinced that our viewers will like my approach, my next question, because i am terribly interested, but where is that lebanon, what do we know about that lebanon, people who watch tv will tell me is there a computer now, but i'm asking about lebanon, i have a permanent one impression, you see it, israel,

to the north, israel is located lebanon, such a small country. oh, but the impression is that he is reaching the end of lebanon's existence, because of this hezbollah, it is some kind of failed state, this is some country that is not able to organize itself, to organize itself, to self-organize, through these proxies, because of the presence of this hezbollah, but will there be profitable then hezbollah, hezbollah, if there is no lebanon, well, as a state, the lebanese armed forces say, we will not participate in any war. and hezbollah says, and we we will participate in the war against israel, in short, it will be given a command from tehran, i am just sitting and thinking, and now what, well, we see that there is no money anymore, just pay for the light to be in the houses, there the war has not yet started, there is no light anymore, lebanon experienced a very powerful civil war in

the early 80s, by the way, not without the participation of palestinian refugees with... with whom there was a huge conflict, i will just explain very briefly why this is so: lebanon is built on religious principle, i.e. there, for example, if the speaker of the parliament is from the shiites, other leaders there will be from sunnis, those from christians, despite the fact that there are many christian groups there, then in sunnism there are their own movements, then in shiism, that is, this is a country where there are communities that decide something based on a quota, this principle , he has already fully recovered himself. he is destroying himself, a lot of the urban population, people of a democratic orientation from lebanon say: we do not want to vote for a person just because he is a shiite, sunni, orthodox, catholic, we want... an honest leader, a person, competent, which will take care of the people, everything no matter who he is, it doesn't work because the money is in the hands of local oligarchs

connected to iran, connected to syria, to turkey, to the west, a lot of lebanese have left for the west, people who come to their home is a country in which they can no longer live, because they do not want this principle of confession, they want a normal working democracy, but... the neighbors, including the lebanese, if they overwhelm lebanon, and by the way, israel in in this case, it plays a rather negative role, because in fact israel was would be interested in lebanon being stable and there would be an outlet somewhere, so if it is overrun and there will be significant sections of the population will blame anyone for this , whoever the propaganda will set them up for, in fact , the fact that there in the south of lebanon can turn into a new the gaza sector, when on... it is very easily deceived by propaganda and votes for people or even some fake elections there, which offer simple, very solutions: here is money from tehran, now we will take tel aviv,

now jerusalem will be ours, and so will we, then we'll have a successful, working country, kick out these zionists, as they call them, and that's it, and that could be a huge problem with lebanon that the next american administration will face, because it's going to have to... keep some democratic forces there anyway and somewhere to question the confessional principle, but as for iran, mr. mykhailo, we have now shown sheikh nasrallah, he is the leader of hezbollah, with a strange last name, yes, less so, but, well, iran, well, he will achieve that, that lebanon will cease to exist, and okay, there will be no lebanon, and what will happen next profit, what, what are they? will get these iran iranian leaders? and they actually get access to the mediterranean sea, they already have it, with

local shiite self-government, because the hezbollah there are far from all of them, there are only a part of advisers who help, they use local shiite forces and a lot of those who are in the ranks of izbula, these are local, in fact, now syria, like bashar assad, who at one time restrained himself very well. with the help of the iranians and russians, then iraq, from which american troops are about to withdraw, that is, in iran, if you look to the west, iran has direct access to the mediterranean sea, it is possible to carry weapons, it is possible to have access to resources, in which case it is possible to block the flow of these resources from the arab countries to europe, and the russians, who stand next to the iranians, will very happy to see another instability and say look at what... the west, israel, proved the middle east, here we come now, here we will help now, so lebanon in any case allow such forces to be conscious if they

are still left in international politics, especially american politics, which, frankly, i have a big doubt, looking at both candidates, they have to do something in this case, because in fact a new front is opening in the future, not close, but at least average . but the last question i have, so we don't get too deep, when you say, what you say, i read these things, or it's similar with many experts, but i think one of the 12 aircraft carriers off the coast between, between cyprus and lebanon , ends with this, this fact, all efforts to reach the mediterranean sea by iranians, iraqis, and syria are ending. it's just that some abraham lincoln will become his 80 planes, and that will be the end of it. well, to be honest, the russians also

had high hopes for the cruiser moscow. well, a little different, different possibilities. but taking into account the expansion of the use of iranian drones and the fact that iran is quietly producing them together with the russians, everything can be expected, especially considering. the policy of the american administration for such a, you know, measure, let's postpone the conflict for later, somewhere let's sign something, support them, and then someone will decide, it won't work here, because if drones fly here, not some fake missiles without warheads that have flown at israel in some places, iran is ahead of them, now let's israel bomb, let's give this one, that more, by the way, american airlines, for example, american airlines, between which there is a lot of rest, from july to april. flights to israel were stopped next year, the american administration says: everything is fine, now we will sign peace, but american business, well, something is not very good believes, you know, let's do better in...

have, so that in the event of some calamity we don't have to pay out large insurance claims and we don't get blamed, because there are already many such precedents, that's why one thing is said, but another thing is done, in particular, out of sight, well, and typical cynicism of international politics, which in principle we are already used to and with which we have to live, mr. mykhailo, about israel in more detail, about lebanon, i somehow delayed in lebanon, well, they will not agree, because... i constantly look when i read and i look, i get the impression that israel is dissatisfied with something, hamas is dissatisfied with something, i have the general impression that hamas does not want to reconcile, simply does not want to reconcile at all, no, well, as always terrorists, they do not make concessions, we have a terrorist named putin sitting next to us, and if we studied his behavior, they are all very similar, terrorists are very similar, so either it will be

as i said, or it won't happen at all. and all the efforts of the jews, well, let's give in here, let's find a compromise, comrade stalin taught us without compromise, another terrorist, by the way, too, and professional, led the soviet union, the word, the word compromise, it was a swear word, this swear word was in the 30s, 40s, 50s, the main thing was no compromise, and we see it, and the americans jump, and the qataris jump on... the circle of dances and egyptians suffer with dances, europeans also jump, and hamas sits and says: spit on me at your dances, am i right or not? the only paradox is that comrade stalin was one of the first to give the order to recognize israel as a state and establish relations with it, and then the course changed radically. in this case, we will take the same mahmud abbas, who defended his thesis there in the soviet union. an old

cadre from the organization for the liberation of palestine, which was sponsored by the kgb to a large extent, that is, but we see that he is accustomed, so to speak, to having a master, he feels quite good with the israelis, in fact he runs such a, you know, colonial administration, with hamas the story is different , because hamas was created for war, it was born and created for war, if there is no war, there will be hamas, well, there is absolutely nothing to do. hamas does not want some administration, he doesn't want another mahmoud abbas or control of egypt, hamas wants full power, and by the way, we also know very well that if israel did not act with radical methods, which is often said by israeli politicians, israel would not it was, and now hamas asks a logical question, why can't we do that, and the liberal public in the west often says, well, it's not possible anymore.

because there are various conventions, it was possible before the creation of the state of israel for various zionist movements, you already say no it is possible, and the problem here is that even now with the changes in the leadership of hamas, ismailania was killed, but now the iranians are making such an argument that either israel will sign something, or we will still create at least some imitation of an attack, and for this will be large. problems, and israel currently has a lot of economic difficulties, the americans would very much like this peace, they would like it terribly, but the question is, well, the so-called philadelphia corridor, that is, the border between gaza and this is egypt, there is 17.5 km, or its controlled by the israeli army or controlled by hamas, it is clear that if it is controlled by hamas, everything will be brought there through egypt, from pro...

anti-tank weapons to missiles and so on, smuggling will go terribly, if and hamas does not want , to be controlled by someone other than himself, and does not want mahmoud abbas to control. next, hostages, where there are no guarantees that after one side fulfills the other conditions, no, some new confrontation will not start, because the level of mistrust is total, the level of mistrust is huge, there will never be to trust netanyahu to hamas, and vice versa, and not only netanyahu is the problem. i believe that there may be some sort of cease-fire there, additional hostages will be released, somewhere israel will still withdraw from the gas sector, but this will not solve the problem, i have this for you, maybe one of the last questions for today, but i am even here noted: peace in the middle east is the death of israel, but i have the impression that either...