with the reputation of the richest one of the richest people in the world, ilan musk, it also brings him into a state of exaltation, which of course allows him to then say what he really thinks, so that he thinks certain things really, once he is very bad for his information, everyone says it's an age, but i don't think it's an age, because i'm in general, i think there's just a lack of interest in certain topics, and donald trump has always had it. he is not interested in many things, he is interested in politics, some kind of real science there, conditionally saying, or in any content, he is not interested, he says what he hears there, he is quite a simple person in this respect, he watches tv, hears something there, falls asleep, again, this is absolutely normal for such an overloaded problem of a person, a person, well, not really young, sits near the tv, hears something there, does not hear something there, fell asleep. woke up, heard something again,

then elon musk tells it. that's all for you. of course, donald trump is a man who sincerely admires the power of power. this is his religion. and certainly, in this situation, in this pantheon. he sees vladimir putin as one of his greatest idols, because vladimir putin really has unlimited power in his country. in a big country, big power. a person who can, as i said, push the red button. button and there will be no united states of america, has such power that he may not even consult with anyone about it, well, it is you that trump admires, as we can see, he admires this, not putin, the power of putin, what kind of act was it would be strange if a person of trump's scale and trump's charisma admired a kimchan, the power of a kimchan, imagine putting some congressmen, loading a cannon and firing a cannon at them, at the leaders of the majority there in

the senate and the house of representatives. trump simply cannot dream of it, but he admires it. and by the way, the story of the storming of the capitol showed how trump can be so enthusiastic. he really believed that this was the norm. because he admires brute power. and he thinks he is strong. and if you want, is this stream of consciousness analyzable, which we hear from this person, yes. he thinks that strongly. has the right to order the weak, do you remember how in the first months of his presidency he absolutely, i would say, bulgarianly pushed the then president of croatia away from the other participants of some conference he was at, i don't remember if it was a nato summit or something , to be photographed in the foreground, he behaved with absolute, i would say, tremendous disrespect for people, but he's sure that if he's the president of the united states, he can... push,

he can hit, he can act like that, and he , that's why he looks at putin like that. putin is the president of a strong state who attacked a weak state, and this weak state should have agreed to his demands a long time ago, but it is showing off. well, of course, the united states is also a strong country, they can help it, but the question arises for what? why help people who with such tenacity cannot understand that they are fighting a strong state, this is trump's whole logic, it is simple and transparent. but then again, there is another trump, to whom political technologists will say tomorrow you have to say again that you will be with ukraine, make you crain great again, and he will say it like a parrot from the new york zoo, ugh, but you have to remember that if donald trump, god forbid, wins the presidential election in the united states, it is possible, until now, the country will be run by not...

trump political technologists, he will then send all these political technologists, give them money, write them checks, that is also not guaranteed, and say: go for these three letters that you you can read in every closet, which is taken care of by my beloved vladimir putin. here you go please go to russia, read the laws and follow them, and i will rule as i want, because now no one and nothing will stop me from the decisions i will make. here's all trump. another interesting event happened this week, several german media, it seems it was on august 14, reported that at the beginning of june , the german prosecutor general's office issued an arrest warrant for a ukrainian in the case of undermining the nord stream thread, and this is allegedly ukrainian diving instructor volodymyr , and the german spiegel tim sometimes reports that the ukrainian, whom germany was going to arrest in poland

for his participation in the gas pipeline attack, has left polish territory, and if it leads to the fact that poland helped the ukrainian to escape from responsibility, as i read it, maybe mr. vitaly now i agree... but then the very next day, the wall street journal publishes quite an interesting article and reports that it was ukrainian top officials who were involved in blowing up a gas pipeline in the baltic sea, it was an operation approved by zaluzhny, approved zelenskyi's operation, and chervinskyi may also be involved there. in short, mr. vitaly, how do you see the current development of events, or, well, we do not know whether the german prosecutor's office has enough grounds to issue a warrant for the arrest of ukraine. but i want to believe that they have some more or less convincing arguments for this, well, we haven’t seen these arguments, we only see what the media write, and if a person is suspected of something, it does not mean that this person committed this crime, two, third, by the way, i agree with the prime minister of poland

by donald tusk, ugh, who said that those who advocated the construction of the nord streams should shut up and apologize, i think, first apologize, then for... but i totally agree with that, because if you remember, i was one of those journalists who kept reminding me that as soon as the construction of the nord streams was finished, a big war would start in europe, and i went through years when i was laughed at when i said that, and laughed in ukraine, and laughed, that i would be most unpleasant in germany, my colleagues, some of them openly worked for moscow, like the favorite of ukrainian tv channels, oleksandr rar, some were just such useful idiots and professional journalists, experts, but you know, when i was laughed at in ukraine, i could still agree with that, so that i knew that ukrainian society is absolutely infantile, absolutely

unable to understand russia's intentions at all, i saw it in all the votes in ukraine, in most of the votes that did not take place after the uprisings, because ukrainians as a rule, they came to... exclusively after the uprisings and never in peacetime, but the fact that the germans made fun of me was and remains for me always such a huge, i would say, mental problem, because i believed that they practically people are determined that they are remembered, they realize something in politics, and they turned out to be stupid, it's just that for the rest of my life, we mentioned donald trump, i remembered for the rest of my life how donald trump, being the president... it's not you are some kind of journalist and tailor, that's the whole american president standing on the podium, me i don't remember which conference and he says: if you complete the nord stream, if you start all this, you will be completely dependent on russia for energy, what are you doing, and the german delegation is sitting, pointing fingers at him and laughing, do you remember there were

shots like, uh, just giggling over his words, and i was watching it and thinking, well, that's it. it is interesting, by the way, where are all these people, they were leading ministers in the cabinet of angela merkel, but in the end no one was wrong, neither trump nor i, germany painfully got rid of its energy dependence on russia, and right after nord stream 2 was completed, russia wasted no time in starting a war with us, a big war in europe started, so donald tusk is right. this whole detective story that zelenskyi was preparing explosions, the cia found out about it, zelenskyi said to cancel the operation, and zaluzhny did not cancel it, looks beautiful only for the readers of the wall street journal,

because you and i know very well that this is how the authorities in ukraine doesn't work, well, you get it, yeah, yeah, when the supreme commander gives to the commander-in- chief of the armed forces of ukraine on... an order not to carry out certain actions, and he carries out, these are actions with legal consequences, you understand that, huh, and if these legal consequences do not occur for the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine himself, they occur for people who perform these and other actions, so it is still necessary to analyze all this, to prove, to understand what actually happened there, to understand why germany did not bring in this person that it wanted. to arrest in the list of persons whom she is looking for, but simply sent some request to the polish prosecutor's office, it's all strange, you see, everyone's actions are strange, so let's see whose ears will stick out later, well

, there are many opinions about this from different ukrainians, from different centuries, that it's just a diving instructor, a few more people , almost no tourists, on some tourist yacht under... in short, yes, mr. vitaly, we know, now we know what kind of diving instructor we need, right? yes i have always wanted to swim to the underwater museum under lancerote island looks like you have every chance a few lessons so under there under the water statues, but you have to dive very deep there to see those statues, i always wondered who would teach me so that i wouldn't drown there with those statues because i became a new statue, but now i know who can do it. well, well, we will continue to follow the development of events, and perhaps some things

will seem funny to us in the near future. mr. vitaly, going back, after all, going back to the events in kurshchyna, a few such, you know, purely worldview questions arise, both for me and for many ukrainians, well, for example, when we look videos recorded by the ukrainian military from kursh. with local residents and listen to these videos, we understand that these people speak a language that is extremely close to the ukrainian language, of course, it has other inclusions, it cannot be called purely russian or ukrainian, but less so, these people are all they do not consider that their language is ukrainian, they avoid this definition in any way they like, call it their own chatter, their dialect, speech, and so on. why, why don't they admit to themselves, at least that that they have something that they were so scared of

by the russian propaganda, because they believe that to speak such a language is to recognize yourself as a second-class person, i do not understand why you do not understand this, this is the process that took place on the streets of all the great ukrainian cities, except for lviv, kyiv, kharkiv, odesa and dnipro, for ten years, people came from kyiv. oblasts, from odesa, from kharkiv, from dnipropetrovsk, to large cities with millions, and not only for them, and the first thing they did was try to unlearn the ukrainian language, which you do not do you still remember this, i remember it well, people tried to do it, i am one of those who tried to somehow support this ukrainian language, at least at the level of my own family, that is, i have a reverse story, but that is separate, well. .. well, but you saw that people on the streets of simferopol, when they heard the ukrainian language, they looked at you like a villager,

they didn’t look, they were afraid, it was interesting, well, yes, well, it was already a chuck , when you thought that she was a bander and now there is something, something will do them bad, and it was outright contempt, we are intelligent here people, i remember it well from soviet kiev, i'm not talking about kharkiv, even post-soviet, i'm not talking about donetsk. even the post-soviet one about the dnipro, i studied in the dnipro, as you know, at the university, the only two places where ukrainian was spoken were the departments of ukrainian language and literature at the university and the local branch of the writers' union and everything, uh, everything, because well how can you talk in this condition, you won't show some crowded village, and people who are from a crowded village, they... of course want to talk culturally and don't consider yourself to be any khahls, and you've already

heard what one of the residents who lived in suja said, when we were going somewhere and this is the language we started talking about the khahls when we arrived , well, the villages, well, clearly the khahls from the village, you see it like this scorn and contempt that is cultivated in russia, and was cultivated in the soviet union before, you khahl, you churks, you are someone else. i will not repeat all the words that i have heard about myself throughout my life, but i remember all this well, through political, i would say, approbation, during my life i managed to change from jews to khokhlas, well, that is , people, that is, me. in others, if only because people who found out that i am a ukrainian journalist, they forgot about my nationality,

that i can be humiliated by my national origin and humiliated by my citizenship, and this is absolutely normal behavior for most residents of russia, and they i would say they assert themselves, people without rights always assert themselves, humiliating others, these people are ethnic ukrainians, is that true? they live in the border areas, this is how this border was drawn, this border between russian soviet federative socialist republic ukrainian soviet socialist republic. specially, specially conducted, and so that ukrainians do not have, i know, a feeling of some kind of exclusivity, here you live in ukraine, you speak ukrainian in your villages, but you move across the russian-ukrainian border, and there again the ukrainian language, but well, no one says

that you understand that this is ukraine, that was the idea, but i think that you can see an important thing that is not sufficiently revealed when you speak a language and have no identity, language is an important marker of identity, for others, but for you it may not be a marker of identity, if there is no identification with the state, if there is no understanding of what is your history, what is your heritage, if do you perceive yourself as a speaker of a certain dialect, or do you want to convince yourself that it is a dialect. as it was always the case in the kuban, people spoke a pure ukrainian language, well, not even the same as in the kursk region, just a literary ukrainian language, but sometime after the war they invented that this is chatter, they invented that they do not know the ukrainian language, i remember how in krasnodar in the 90s i did an interview with

the famous ataman of the kuban cossack army gromov. i did an interview with him and i decided that i am asking, we have a little time before the break, but i prefer to hear the end of this story, and i decided that he should give me an interview in russian, in ukrainian, i wanted to record it for the ukrainian service of radio freedom, he doesn't say, i don't know a single word of the ukrainian language, if you want me to talk to you in our chatterbox, come on, i think, let me write it down chattering, i will just have some kind of so... ethnographic experiment, and here ataman groman, pure literary ukrainian, pure, as you and i are talking now, gave me an interview for half an hour, i tell him, you gave the interview is in ukrainian, no, i don't know ukrainian, it's called tama, well, here's the whole story, ugh, tingling, numbness or crawling of ants in

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portnikov, and we still have 10 minutes to discuss events important to the world, events important to certain regions, and mr. vitaly suggested, and who am i to refuse, to talk about the announced visit of the president of russia volodymyr , perhaps in the near future putin to... azerbaijan, it should take place tomorrow and the day after tomorrow , august 18-19, he will meet there with ilham aliyev, bloomberg reports. on the other hand, there is also, so far, as far as i understand, cautious information, i do not see any official confirmations, maybe so far that french president emmanuel macron may visit armenia. as we know, the relations between these two countries have recently strengthened somewhat, even in the context of some cooperation. of a military nature, and mr. vitaly, what does this mean, what is happening now in the caucasus, some shift in emphasis looks something like this, if in general, you know, putin

reminds me of yezhachka from the famous anecdote, remember, who was very afraid of flatulence after dinner, and ran all the time and shouted that nothing would happen to him, and when something unpleasant happened, he started running and shouting that it didn't happen to him, to retell this anecdote so intelligently, we are still on television. and now it is absolutely important for putin to prove that nothing happened to him, that everything is fine with him. you think, there are some ukrainian troops there, in some kurt region, what is the difference, he is not interested in it at all, he is big, terrible, and he is engaged in serious matters, and he just needs to go somewhere and show that he continues his foreign policy activities on a planned schedule but the number of countries he can go to like you you see, not so big, and he can't right now, christina. to go to any csto country, because if foreign troops are on russian territory, the csto countries are silent, as if it does not concern them, he comes

to some csto country and does not even ask for support, right? huh, that looks weird too. what kind of dcb do you have? why did you have a dcb? it's a strange thing, so there are even fewer countries to which you can... go, well, there is azerbaijan, a country that is in good relations with the russian federation, a country that is not a member of the csto, ukraine does not owe anything to russia, and in which you can spend a beautiful state visit, this is not just a trip, it is a state visit, and he understands that ilham aliyev is in this situation, because ilham aliyev balances between russia, turkey and the west , ilham aliyev cannot refuse him. on the other hand, ilham aliyev is an energy competitor of russia, because the west is now trying to agree on azerbaijani gas in order not to occupy

russia, well, this is a difficult situation, and there is also iran, well, i would add balance to these countries iran and israel, azerbaijan balances between them all, buys weapons from israel, wants to maintain good neighborly relations with iran. relations at a time when iran itself wants to destroy israel, wants to have good relations with russia, but is negotiating with the west on how to deal with the supply of russian gas. you can imagine what a complicated game this is, well, in this game, of course, you don't need to tell putin, we don't want to see you here, that would destroy the balance. putin understands this, and he can go there. of course, there won't be any sensitive decisions here, because this precisely a demonstration of calmness. in this situation, aliyev has to play the role of a person who has to demonstrate that everything is fine with putin. by the way, aliyev has already played such a role. he was in moscow on february 22, 2022, remember? thus

, by signing the agreement with putin, there was a strategic partnership, conditionally speaking, and putin also signed all this with him as if he was busy with the caucasus, not ukraine. and aliyev was so mad because it was then that putin recognized the so-called dpr, lpr, that he did not even come to a joint press conference with putin, he signed something with him and flew to baku, and putin alone answered the questions of journalists after talks with the president of another country, and now the situation is very similar, i will not be surprised that ali is currently holding a joint press conference, mr. portnikov, but you said that in russia, putin has a personal relationship with azerbaijan. .there are no such topics under question, as far as i understand, such sensitive topics, but the situation in nagorno- karabakh, where the actions of azerbaijan and... from one

side undermined a certain authority of the russian federation and its peacekeepers there, isn't that right? well, as we see, the russians do do not consider for the russians, the most important thing was to punish armenia. and not to undermine the authority of their peacekeepers. if you know, if russia wants to punish a nation for disobeying putin, it can sacrifice the lives of its own soldiers. that is why russia did not prevent azerbaijan from restoring its territorial integrity twice. twice, and when it came to the so -called security chain, that is, the regions of azerbaijan that were under romanian control for many decades, and when it came to nagorno-karabakh itself, as you can see, now in russia they do not mention nagorno-karabakh at all, there is definitely one more moment in this story, but it is not primary now for putin, but secondary, to show azerbaijan that he is a true friend of azerbaijan, indeed in the situation when president macron is going to armenia ,

you see, this event, he... armenia betrayed us, pashinyanyan communicates with blinkin, and of course this is a threat to you, and i am your true friend, but you understand that aliyev is not lukashenko, he is not the person whom you can hang a noodle skill, he, of course, he will politely listen to putin, say: yes, mr. president, oh, i understand how much you are full of love for azerbaijan, all this will be beautifully stated, but aliyev is a person who... clearly gives an account of what russia is, to what extent it threatens not only azerbaijan, but also the regime of its own government, and has always threatened. and that's all, one way or another, putin will try to disrupt the peace agreement between armenia and azerbaijan there in baku. will he succeed? no, i don't think it will be possible. ugh. you think because once again, its influence is not the same in the post-soviet space as it was recently. this war weakened his

influence on kavka. we see it, uh, putin's weakened influence in the caucasus in a more, let's say, such a distant perspective, can it lead to the resolution of many hot spots in this location? i really hope that armenia and azerbaijan will sign a peace agreement, i sincerely wish this for the armenian and azerbaijani people. i have always told the azerbaijanis, i do not demand that you be friends and love each other, i know for sure that this will not therefore, i do not demand from you what you cannot fulfill, i dream that you can coexist in a peaceful region, have normal economic relations, even if not political ones, even if you have political suspicions, but have normal economic and security relations relations, and thus create opportunities for the development of the region, for the development of the south caucasus, the development that russia tried to stop with its actions. for

centuries, well, after the annexation of these territories by imperial russia, after the annexation of azerbaijan and armenia and georgia, by soviet russia, that was the usual annexation and occupation, again, if we will call a spade a spade, so in this sense i hope that now in the armenian and azerbaijani peoples, not just states, people, first of all, you will be able to get out of this trap, not in the direction of some great love. understanding, this will not happen for many more decades, in the direction of just normal, i would say, coexistence in a bad neighborly, neighborly coexistence, when there will be no armenian, azerbaijani mothers bury their children who will die at the front, this is the most important thing today. thank you, mr. vitaly, as always, vitaly portnikov and the saturday political club, on

saturday evening for the audience and listeners. in espresso. i remind you that you should stay with us and on august 24, espresso is preparing a special project "light people in dark times". there will be exclusive interviews with prominent ukrainians for you. don't miss it, we will work for you. mr. vitaly, thank you for always brilliant analytics. thank you kristina for this conversation. all right, goodbye. this is about politics, about the world, maria gurska, journalist of the ukrainian tv channel espresso and eu sisters portal, and pavel koval, head of the council for cooperation with ukraine, head of the committee on foreign affairs of the polish sejm, i congratulate you.