speaks of their, i would say, deep legal infantilism, that they simply think that we can afford what russia affords, first of all, we cannot, because we are a different country, a different civilization, because we behave differently to ordinary people, to human life, because we perfectly understand that some grandmother condemns that she should not think about war, she is not responsible for the aggressive actions of her own government and her own army, and the political leadership and the military leadership are responsible for their own actions of the russian federation. we can have moral claims against ordinary russians, moral ones, as people had moral claims against ordinary germans, but no legal responsibility, i would say no citizen of the russian federation bears responsibility, it is borne by people who directly make criminal decisions and carry out criminal actions. then a little clarification, do we have the right, god forbid? god forbid that we find

this moment after the end of the war to talk about some kind of compensation from the russian federation, where perhaps there will no longer be an effective regime, but those russians will end, but there will remain, excuse me, those russians who brought this regime to power, who, as you say, may not be responsible for its actions, well, it's a completely different thing if you have control over some country on which you can impose a reparations regime, then in this... situation, of course, you can talk about it, because these are not the actions of ordinary people, you are again, these are the results of the actions of the state, the state made a decision, because the president of russia, vladimir putin, the leadership of the russian federation, they made a decision criminal decision on aggression against of ukraine, about the destruction of ukrainian infrastructure, about the destruction of ukrainian residential quarters, the fact that this is a state, if you have the opportunity, i do not think that we will ever have such an opportunity, to have control over the resources of such a state. then

of course you can demand reparations from this state within the framework of international responsibility, reparations are not paid by a grandmother from suja or a grandmother from kursk, reparations are paid by the state at the expense of its taxpayers, of course in such a situation people are responsible for the crimes of their state by their taxes do not go to their social needs, not to the construction of sports centers, not even to the creation of new tanks, planes and missiles that can be destroyed in... ukrainian territory, to the payment of reparations, which were imposed on germany after the first world war allies who won the reparations war, the expiration of which i think should have been only in the 80s and 90s of the 20th century, that is, if there had been no world war ii, the germans would have paid a lot more reparations years, without even in peacetime, but like you you know, the second world war changed this situation, in fact already... the question was, the allies

took such, i would say, one-time reparations donations from germany, but then they realized that such imposition of multi-year reparations on any country turns it into a potential aggressor of the future, and they abandoned this practice, as you know, the united states even contributed to the revival of the german economy, according to the marshall plan, and did not try to take any money from germany, regarding how much ukraine will succeed. to force the russian federation to pay some kind of reparations, i think that the russian state will not be controlled by ukraine or any other country in the world, i repeat, it is a nuclear state, to impose some such agreements that will contradict the interests of national security, in any in this case it is not possible, the russian federation can pay some money to ukraine solely out of goodwill, as a state with which good neighborly relations will be restored, as a state that the new russian government, if it appears at all, will want to help in the process. is that

that russia will lose control over the money that is not on its territory, and this will also hurt the interests of ordinary russians, because if the west makes a decision, in the end, ukraine will be able to dispose of those russian assets that are today in banks of western countries, this means that russia will not estimate that this money will be at its disposal. and this money also belongs to russian taxpayers by and large, and they could use this money again for the construction of stadiums, and for the construction of hospitals, and for the creation of tanks, planes and missiles that could be used to further fight against ukraine and other hostile russian states, but this will not happen, and this money will go to ukraine to rebuild stadiums, build hospitals and create new planes, missiles and tanks , with whom she will fight in the future. with the russian federation,

it can be, absolutely, this is a reality, yes, sir, but this is not a question for moscow, but this is a question for washington and brussels, and this is a question about what we... now cannot control, of course, it's okay, but the news has appeared, and i think it's quite interesting, especially in the context of our previous conversations with you, when you noted that the russians and putin, personally, are not interested in any way in negotiations about the state conflict in ukraine, yes, nevertheless, the washington post shares information, referring to diplomats familiar with the course of events. about the fact that ukraine and russia were to send delegations to, interestingly enough, to qatar, to doha, for negotiations on the conclusion of a historic an agreement that would have stopped, at least the strikes on energy infrastructure facilities on both sides, did you think it took place at all,

i don't know if there was a plan for such a meeting, from our side, and from russia's side? federation? well, it seems to me that this publication, in principle, even refers to ukrainian sources, who say that such and such consultations were really conducted, it is the russians who deny it from the ukrainian side, there is no such clear refutation, well, maybe we will wait for it, but, again, kharystyna , i would like to clarify, i always said that i repeat it now, that i do not believe in any russian-ukrainian negotiations that could lead to the end of the war between russia and ukraine, but i said that... negotiations on a ceasefire, yes, on a ceasefire, can happen at any moment, and in the 24th year and in the 25th and 26th, i do not believe in the possibility of the end of the war between russia and ukraine for one simple reason: this is an existential conflict, two peoples claim the same territory, for

russians, the territory of ukraine is russia, for ukrainians the territory of ukraine is ukraine, there is no political solution to this conflict, and there may not be one in history at all, this is how reality looks, therefore... under the conditions of the current russian regime, to imagine the end of the war as such, i do not know how to imagine it, and that is why i always advised ukrainians to prepare to a long war and create some illusions that they will live in peace, but at the same time i am absolutely sure that there can be an agreement on a cease -fire, without any other agreements, not on the withdrawal of troops, as you you understand, in the configuration offered by the publication the washington post is out of the question, right? ugh, the troops remain in this territory, which they now control, both in donetsk and kursk regions, there is no mention of any security guarantees for ukraine in such agreements, russia in general continues to insist that the war can

only end under known security guarantees, i.e., that ukraine would allow itself to recognize its neutral status and begin the process of its demilitarization, from which ukraine. of course it won't be done, is it out of the question either, what it might be about, if i understand the framework about this idea of ​​the washington post, these agreements in qatar, that there could be a partial ceasefire when it comes to the shelling of energy facilities, this is a story in which both countries are really interested, therefore , i imagine that such negotiations will still take place, why? russia has already lost up to 15% of its oil and gas reserves. complex, this is a serious problem for the russian economy if the russian strikes on russian oil refineries continue, but more so if these strikes begin not only drones, but also western missiles are used, then russia may lose

15-30 percent of the capabilities of its oil refining complex, if missiles are used for this purpose, russia... may lose up to 60 and up to 70% of its oil refining, which can lead to catastrophic and critical consequences for the economy of the russian federation. should russia take any measures to prevent this? yes, i am in the shoes of president vladimir putin, but you have to remember that president putin is paranoid, i am not, clearly in the shoes of the president vladimir putin did it. now ukraine, if the destruction of the ukrainian energy infrastructure continues, the question of ukraine's survival during the winter will remain very uncertain. a big sign of problems, that is, there may be a situation when there will be problems not only with light, but also with inflammation, and with the introduction of war, into the waters, in a number of settlements, to what this may lead, to a new wave of departure of the ukrainian population abroad. we cannot now

estimate the number of people who will leave, but they will, and it will happen again we are talking about hundreds of thousands of people, we already understand that if people go abroad in the conditions that ukraine is in, by far the largest part of people who you... abroad according to various estimates there in sociology, how people respond to 50 -60%, they will not return, moreover, after the end of hostilities, men who cannot now go to... their families, reunite, let's say, with their families, they are most likely unite with them not on the territory of ukraine, which will experience obvious economic frustration after the war, but will be reunited with their families on the territory of prosperous western countries, and we will receive another wave of emigration, so to speak, the final one, the end of this migration process, when their husbands will return to their families, but not in ukraine, in the united states states, canada, so, this will most likely be the case, which means that if some

more people leave, it will mean that at the end of the war, ukraine will turn out to be a country devastated by demographics, if we remember that even before the start of this war , the demographic prospects of ukraine were soft speaking of catastrophic, one catastrophe after another will simply turn ukraine into a territory without any real demographic prospects. this does not mean that there will be no population on the territory of ukraine, there will be, just that it will not be ukraine. it will be a state of other people in accordance with what migration waves will pass through ukraine in the next decades. i certainly wish it were n't so. and i think that the people who currently work in the ukrainian leadership are also thinking about how to preserve the population here. so, these are the principles of mutual interest of the parties. moreover, these negotiations, as far as i understand, take place according to the same scheme, if they take place. according to the same scheme, according to which...

the agreements on the grain agreement take place and took place. will not last long, there we were talking about two months, this is again the scheme of the grain agreement, so, in principle, i am not surprised that the russians after the ukrainian raid on the kurdistan region... suspended their participation in this process, this fully corresponds to the political style of vladimir putin. that is, it is interesting that they did not completely slam the door, but asked to give them time, of course, they need these negotiations, but putin never, this is also a fact, makes any political moves that allowed us to believe that he makes decisions under pressure from others, that is it is related to his foreign policy, it is related to his domestic policy, you can putin. as long as you want to prove that this or that person is needed remove her from office because she is

incompetent, putin will do it, he can understand it and agree with your reasoning, but in a year or two, when everyone will forget about these demands. this is how it was, by the way, with the minister of defense of the russian federation, sergei shaigu, that he was incompetent, i think putin understood in 2022, but when they started to say from all sides. nice people, it is necessary to move shuigu and gerasimov, the main, absolutely predictable reaction of putin was to keep him in office. by the way, if you you ask me whether putin will remove valery gerasim from the post of chief of the general staff after the kurdish failure, i will tell you yes, he will remove him, and he basically said this at this meeting, which was devoted to the events in kursk oblast, that we must let's deal with personnel issues. and now the main thing is not that, so the resignation of the chief of the general staff can take place no earlier than six to 10 months

after the event, so that no one believes that putin removed him from his post under pressure. now, if these negotiations really took place, in order to for the parties to return to the conversation, it will take about a month and a half or two, taking into account how events will develop specifically on the kurdish front. or, if putin believes that he has achieved some significant success on the donetsk front, he will also be absolutely in a position to start the negotiation process again, and then we basically understand how the events on the russian-ukrainian front can develop, in principle, the parties, first, first, i would say that by decision they can reach agreements on non-firing. uncontrolled territories, yes called ugh. russia will stop shelling

the territory of ukraine, and ukraine will stop shelling the territory of russia. at the same time , hostilities on the territory of ukraine and russia will continue. what is it for? ukraine will try to enter russian territory in such a way as to show russia. that it should realize that its further territorial grabs may run into the same actions of ukraine, and russia will try to annex as much ukrainian territory as possible and... it is time to destabilize the situation in ukraine itself, because as you understand, if imagine that the day has come, relatively speaking, september 1, there will be no more air strikes, drones, infrastructure is being restored,

civilian life is being restored, normal, yes, no blackouts. light, well, at least there is mass, planes can even start flying, well , if you don’t have a missile threat, if no one is firing at you, why can’t you open, as we dreamed about it a few months ago, an airport there in kyiv or in lviv, we can, our airspace, according to these agreements can be declared safe to some parallel, umo say, and the war continues mobi. tion continues, people's funerals continue daily, and people in peaceful territory generally live outside the war, that is , the gulf between the war and the population is deepening, one moment, the next moment, elections, why can't

elections be held then, this will also be a question that will be thrown into ukrainian society. "we live peacefully, we can hold elections in a peaceful territory, we just need to ensure the conditions for voting in the military, well, it will be a lot of such conversations, russia will actively contribute to this, so the next moment, after all this, when there will be an understanding that both governments, because russia will also have problems if we control its territory, not you'. already this threat, that both of them are threatened by internal destabilization and some kind of reset of the situation is needed, the next decision will be made, just like that in qatar, the decision to cease fire on the front line, on the front line, not only is it

peaceful there in these territories, yes, but between the troops, it will be us. the next stage, i don't know when, i'm just telling the scheme, after an agreement is reached on the ceasefire on the front line, i don't know where this line of contact will pass then, it may not be surprising that it may pass through the territory of russia, and not only on the territory of ukraine. we cannot know this now. then there will really be presidential and parliamentary elections in ukraine. and after that, from the results of these elections, and from how our western allies will treat the situation, will they be ready to provide us with any security guarantees after this ceasefire or not, and by the way, what the new ukrainian leadership will want, we do not know what it will be, it may be the ukrainian version

of the georgian dream, it may be a party that will accuse the previous leadership of ... that it did not prepare for the war and provoked it, and yes, i georgian dream now blames saakashvili, not the russians, for the outbreak of the war, that he was a provocateur, well , in my opinion, we have a similar leadership right now, well, a leadership that the previous management noted so, but it is somehow for but somehow it’s not talked about much now, but i can fall into my trap, and how this situation will look like... depends on the further development of events, that’s all, that is, what does further development mean, will this suspension end fire by some kind of peace, or it will turn into a new war, after a certain time, i cannot tell you, because it will, you know, i am not the ukrainian people, the ukrainian people very often draw such paradoxical conclusions from the political situation

that i don't even ready to comment on them, we you looked so far ahead now. at least tried, maybe not that far, maybe not that far, because this story with the negotiations in qatar, if they happen at all, realistically, could be a pilot project of this, after all, the pilot project in this case was the grain deal, well of course, absolutely , absolutely right, the pilot project was the grain deal, mr. vitaly, everything you said now sounds and is considered very logical, which cannot be said for the fact that ... the candidate for the american presidency from the republican party donald trump's party, and i don't know if you followed his interview with elon musk, that's what it was about, some interesting questions. there was also talk about ukraine, in particular, and trump allegedly told putin not to invade ukraine, somehow, but does

what you heard lend itself to your analysis? gives up i believe there are two donald trumps. donald trump alone is the trump of political technologists. this is a person who carefully studies the instructions that are written to him in order for him to win. in the elections, and we saw this trump, let's say, in milos, it seems when he said that he will be the president of all americans, that winning with the help of half the population is not a victory, and this is the kind of trump we saw in his phone conversation with volodymyr zelensky, when he expressed support for ukraine, because he was apparently told that here is the fact that the way he behaves in relation to ukraine is arrogant, and what is better for him is better. you will talk to the ukrainian president, if the ukrainian president wants him to express his support after the assassination attempt, and say that all these conversations about

that he is ready to surrender ukraine is fake news, what has trump done, but there is a real live donald trump who has nothing to do with donald trump, political technologists, he is a living person, and by the way, we know that at the last meeting with donors , big donors, when they told him dono... "you just lose the election when you show the real you, please follow the company's instructions, don't show how crazy you are, he said, "i am who i am it is very difficult and very tight for him, in some, you know, shackles, he he wants to be the way he is, he gets drunk, like many populist politicians, from the crowd, from the reaction, from the roar, from the shouts, it's a drug for him. impression when he, a person who had to declare bankruptcy several times and about whose real fortune no one knows, who always tried

to pretend that she was a billionaire and it is not known whether she was this billionaire once in her life, talks to a real billionaire, too certainly to a certain extent an effervescent, but a person with the reputation of one of the worst of the richest people in the world, ilan musk, this also brings him into a state of exaltation, which of course allows. he then says what he really thinks, so he thinks certain things really, once, then he is very bad for his information, but everyone says that it is age, and i do not think that it is any age, because i generally not an ageist, i believe that there is simply a lack of interest in certain topics, and it has always been obvious in donald trump, he is not interested in many things, he treats politics as a real science, conditionally saying, or in any content, he is not interested, he says what he hears there from... he is quite a simple person in this regard, he watches tv, hears something there, falls asleep, again, this is absolutely normal for such an overworked human problems, a man sits, well, not very young, by

the tv, he hears something, he doesn't hear something, he fell asleep, woke up, heard something again, then he tells ilona, ​​that's all, of course donald trump is a person who sincerely admires the power. power, this is his religion, and of course, in this situation, in this pantheon, he sees vladimir putin as one of his biggest idols, because vladimir putin really has unlimited power in his country, in a big country, big power, a man who can, as i said, press the red button and there will be no of the united states of america, has such power that he may not even consult with anyone about it, well , it is you that trump admires, as i see, he... admires this not putin, the power of putin, not a kimchan, it would be strange if b a man of trump's scale and trump's charisma admired a kimchan, i own a kimchan,

can you imagine putting some congressmen, loading a cannon and firing a cannon at them, at the leaders of the majority there, in the senate of the house of representatives, trump simply cannot dream of it, but he admires it, and by the way, the way trump can be so enthusiastic. showed the storming of the capitol story, he really thought it was normal because he likes brute power and he thinks he's strong, and if you want to, is it amenable to analysis, this stream of consciousness that we're hearing from this man, yes, he believes that the strong has the right to order the weak, do you remember how in the first month of his presidency, he absolutely, i would say, vulgarly pushed the president away. croatia at the time, i don't remember from the other participants of some conference he was at, it was a nato summit or something, he behaved in order to be photographed in the foreground. absolutely, i

would say, with great disrespect for people, but he is sure that if he is the president of the united states, he can push, he can hit, he can behave like that, and he, therefore, looks at putin like this, putin is the president of a strong country that attacked a weak country, and this weak country should have agreed to his demands a long time ago, and she is showing off something, well, of course, the united states is also a strong country, they can help her, but the question arises, what is the point of helping people who with such tenacity cannot with... understand that they are fighting a strong state, this is trump's whole logic, it is simple and transparent, but then again there is another trump, who tomorrow political technologists will say you have to say again that you will be with ukraine, make ukraine great again, and he will say it like a parrot from the new york zoo, but you have to remember that if to... trump,

god forbid, will win on presidential election in the united states, it is possible, still, the country will not be run by trump, the political technologists, he will then send all these technologists, give them money, write them checks, it is also not guaranteed, and say go to those three letters that you you can read in every closet, which is taken care of by my beloved vladimir putin. here, please go to russia, read and go to them. and i will rule the way i want, because you are now no one and nothing will hold me back in the decisions i will make, and the whole tram is up to you. another interesting event happened this week, several german media, it seems it was on august 14, reported that at the beginning of june, the german prosecutor general's office issued an arrest warrant for a ukrainian in the case of undermining the thread of the northern current, and this is allegedly

a ukrainian diving instructor. volodymyr and the german spiegel meanwhile reports that the ukrainian, whom germany was going to arrest in poland for his participation in the gas pipeline attack, left polish territory, and if it were to lead to the fact that poland helped the ukrainian to escape from responsibility, as i read it, maybe mr. vitaly is telling me now, but then quite interesting material publishes literally the next day with the wall street journal and reports that it is ukrainian top officials who are involved in blowing up a gas pipeline in the baltic sea. gardeners, it was an operation approved by zaluzhnyi, an operation approved by zelenskyi, and chervinskyi may also be there involved. in a word, mr. vitaly, how do you see the current development of events? we don't know whether the german prosecutor's office has enough grounds to issue a warrant for the arrest of a ukrainian, but i would like to believe that they have some arguments that are more or less convincing. , well, we haven't seen these arguments, we

only see what the media write. and if a person is suspected of something, it does not mean that this person committed the crime. two. third, by the way, i agree with the prime minister of poland, donald tusk. ugh, who said that those who advocated the construction of the northern streams in general should shut up and apologize. i think first apologize and then shut up. but i absolutely agree with this, because if you remember, i was one of those journalists who kept reminding that as soon as the construction of nord streams is finished. until the big war starts in europe, and i went through years of being laughed at when i said this, and laughed at in ukraine, laughed at to make me most uncomfortable in germany, my colleagues, some of them openly worked for moscow, as the favorite of ukrainian tv channels, oleksandr rar, some were just such useful idiots, and professional journalists,

experts. but you know, when i was laughed at in ukraine, i could still agree with it, because i knew that ukrainian society is absolutely infantile, absolutely unable to understand russia's intentions at all, i saw it in all the votes in ukraine, in the majority i have referring to the votes that did not take place after the uprisings, because ukrainians, as a rule, came as children only after the uprisings and never in a peaceful time, but the fact that the germans made fun of me has always been and remains a huge problem for me... i would say that this is a mental problem, because i believed that they are practical people, that they are remembered, they are aware of something in politics, and they turned out to be stupid, it's just that for the rest of my life, we mentioned donald trump, i remembered for the rest of my life how donald trump, being the president of the united states, is not some kind of journalist, athlete, it's a whole.