actions on the part of the ukrainian orthodox church, in fact, how will the church act further, what will you do next? the church is the least of all a legal organization, the church is a community of believers, and the ukrainian orthodox church unites the largest community of practicing, believing people in ukraine, who visit the church every week, pray, have their own religious practices, you need to ask them for... , how they will react in the next nine months to this law-making that we just saw in the ukrainian parliament. the church is a legal organization and in any case you have to somehow fulfill or not fulfill the law, that's why this question was asked. well , it seems to me that this law does not provide for our consent or non-consent to the implementation or non -implementation of the law. i would just like to point out.

that this law on religious organizations affiliated with foreign centers, such as the ukrainian orthodox church, according to all documents that are legitimate in ukraine, is not affiliated with any foreign center, unlike, by the way, other religious organizations operating in ukraine. and that's probably why the people's deputy. when they presented their draft law to her, when they tried to convince her of the need for its adoption, they avoided in every possible way to name the real addressee whom they directly want to restrict their rights and whom they want to ban, they named some moscow priests, some fsb agents there, and even further someone, well, i don't know who he is and where we are? moscow popes and

fsb agents are active. me, when i was talking to my father avraimiy, i asked about the transition of churches from the ukrainian orthodox church to the orthodox church of ukraine. and he told me that most of these transitions are carried out on the initiative of the parishes themselves, that is, the people. the clergy is in no hurry to transition. such cases are one at a time. what do you think, why is this happening, why do people want to go to the orthodox church of ukraine, but instead the clergy remains in the ukrainian orthodox church. it would seem that the clergy should go to meet people, support them in their decisions? apparently, father avraami, whom you flower, simply misinformed you because...

the clergy does not have the ability to act against the will of its pastor, and precisely because the so-called transitions are actually fictitious events that have nothing, possibly legally and are fixed, but practically nothing is changed religiously in the religious policy of ukraine, therefore the clergy together with its flock finds itself deprived of registration, deprived of... a legal entity, deprived of its place of worship, where they, which they in the vast majority restored or built on their own without the help of the state or anyone else, but they remain the same church in which they have always been, and simply they are in the status that ukrainian legislation still allows them to have, a religious

organization without registration , the head of the orthodox church of ukraine, metropolitan epiphany appealed to the orthodox christians of ukraine and in particular to metropolitan onufry, the head of the ukrainian orthodox church with a call for dialogue about unity the question is the following: what is the reaction of the ukrainian orthodox church to this call? we applied to the ocu back in 2022 , but the ocu is constantly. sets some conditions, constantly puts some objections, by the way, there were even such statements from the heads of the ocu that they are not interested in this appeal, so i say once again that cases and texts are far from the same thing, and we people from odesa and chernihiv were asked about their attitude to this ban, and then we will listen to different opinions, i remind you that this is not a sociological study. as shown

religion, as we have seen the statements of their metropolitan, as his? our money , such a person cannot be considered a metropolitan, it should have been done a long time ago, because they are enemies, everyone is gathering there in muscovy, they themselves are fattening, an army to destroy the ukrainian people, well, we are ukraine, we are fighting for this, for language, for ours. i'm telling you, i haven't been going to church since the 14th year, it turns out in the 14th year, when it was here on may 2, weapons were taken out of the church and everything, i don't go to the church, they

killed our people here, i think that it is normal we need a ukrainian uoc, ukrainian. religion and the state should not be united, everyone has his own faith and everyone prays to his god, positively, tell me why, well, because we should have one church, it's ukrainian, well, orthodox ukrainian church, that's why i think so, everything that... is border-russian, it must leave our territory of the state. moscow patriarchate. there should be no moscow patriarchate. we are for the ukrainian church. the russian patriarchate, yes, should be somewhere, in moscow. and not with us. ugh. ago i will fully support it. i keep neutrality. ugh.

why? that is, well, because i have my own religious beliefs. all the same, it is more positive, because these are some soviet narratives that, fortunately, are already disappearing. you also share your thoughts and comments under this video on the radio liberty channel. and then we talk about the situation at the front. ukrainian forces have just over 2km to advance to close the so-called cauldron in russia's kursk region and isolate russian troops after the ukrainian army began last week to destroy the bridges on the river seim. from two to three thousand russian troops may be surrounded, the german publication bild writes about this. the day before, ukrainian telegram channels, in particular. volunteer sternenko published a video in which, as stated, operators of the unit's special operations forces destroyed one of the pontoon crossings that the russian military was building across the seim river in the kursk region. the shooting date of this video is unknown, but we can see it now, but earlier the russian radio liberty service published

satellite images showing the pontoon crossing east of the village of zvanny in the kursk region. on the picture from august 17, it is visible, on the pictures from august 19, it has already disappeared. and smoke is visible nearby. the commander-in-chief of the ukrainian armed forces oleksandr syrskyi says that ukrainian forces now control 1,263 km of territory in the kursk region of russia and 93 settlements. the pentagon says that the united states will discuss the long-term goals of this operation with ukraine. you heard how president zelensky said that this is the creation of a buffer zone, so we are having these conversations to learn more. about their goals. as for their operation in kursk, as i mentioned, they clearly forced the russians to retaliate. it definitely showed the creativity and fighting prowess of the ukrainians, but when it comes to their long-term goals, we are still discussing that with them. and in

russia, the ministry of defense announced the creation of three groups of troops: belgorod, kursk and bryansk, in order to protect the territories of these border regions from attacks. in addition, they allegedly showed footage of the destruction of the colony. from the zsu from the jet ss tornado volley fire systems in the border region of the kurdish region. the russian ministry of defense declares the destruction of three pieces of equipment and up to 20 personnel. this was not reported to the ukrainian general staff. we cannot verify this information in the conditions of war. meanwhile, in the south of ukraine, in the zaporozhye region , the intensity of hostilities decreased. in particular , we are talking about the orihiv and goliaipil directions. this was stated by the spokesman of the tavriy operational-strategic group of troops, dmytro lukhoviy. according to him, during the last three days, there was no assault by the russian army, however, it is not connected with the operation of the armed forces of ukraine in the kursk region. but russian pro-war bloggers, for example, the so-called voyenkor romanov, wrote in his telegram that they say, after the transfer of russian troops from the southern front to kurshchyna, the armed forces of ukraine are allegedly

starting an offensive in the zaporizhzhia direction. at the same time, the spokesman of the national guard of ukraine, ruslan muzechuk notes that the movement of russian troops to the kurdish direction from other areas of the front in ukraine from... does not happen very quickly and not in significant quantities. roman pohorily, co-founder and analyst of the deepstate ua project, joins our broadcast. roman, congratulations, thanks for joining. congratulations, glory to ukraine. glory to the hero, but we see russian pro-war bloggers say that the armed forces of ukraine are allegedly starting an offensive in the direction of zaporozhye, can you say something on this account, or do you see such and such trends? we don't see, the russian pro-war bloggers wrote it themselves, for today and tomorrow, i'm sure, they will take it all back and say how well done they are, they this is what they always do, i don’t know what to pay attention to, the information about any movements there has not yet been confirmed, maybe it was... some local ones, maybe our forces worked there very intensively with artillery, and this gave

them a reason to move there, no i know, as i speak, some information about this is not confirmed, but if there are any moments, then of course we will react to it, roman, what is the situation in the zaporizhzhia direction in general, do you really observe a decrease in the number of attacks by the russian federation there? well, if you follow and compare the intensity there before and now, you can even see and follow the fact that there are no changes on the map, in particular, the intensity in the area of ​​the work of the leg is not as active as it was before, the old mayorsko is productive, there are attempts, but again some there are no active changes on the map, although now a lot of attention is paid to the pokrovska and turetska districts, sometimes there are also other

districts, in particular there chasiv, maryinka, more precisely there krasnohorivka and the line of the ughledar-vodyana kostiantynivka route, there now also the pischanny district in the kharkiv region is also getting hot, that's why the informativeness there in the rbotyn district, in general, in the south, is somewhere further south, not so much, but it is possible. to compare with this, because when there was an active phase, from there there was video, and there was information, and there were some, you could somehow compare, so i think you can conclude that the intensity really dropped. roman, the situation in donetsk region, we understand that it is critical, we are also talking to the military about it, and the evacuation is happening at a frantic pace now, in your opinion, what is the role in the pace does the advance of russian troops in donetsk region play a role at all? fortifications and fortifications, what is the main reason for the success of the forces of the russian

federation in the offensive there? it is worth paying attention to the certification, because they play a certain role there in maintaining the defense, but it is not the main one, because a very large component is also played by people who are missing, who are already exhausted, who are constantly forced to repel the onslaught of the enemy, and just successes, which have today... muscovites primarily at the expense of this resource that they have, in first of all the infantry, they are simply teeming with them there, they use it, they pull forces there, they pull reserves there, they see some kind of favorable situation and of course they use it, and the ratio of forces, it varies a lot, so this is one of the the main reasons why everything is the way it is now, about the kurdish direction, i want to ask you about the fact that russia... not very much there is actively transferring a small number of its troops from ukraine

there, we hear this from the military, including the armed forces of ukraine . and in general, can you now, let's say how this situation currently affects the front, are you still, well , watching, maybe there will be more transfers of russian troops due to the situation in the kurdish direction? to some extent it affects, to some extent it does not, but overturning, that is , the operation of the ass to... throw the force, distract from other parts where hostilities are being conducted in the occupied territory of ukraine, this is one of the versions, now, of course, at the beginning it is very an interesting version was that everyone should immediately transfer from toretsk and from pokrovsk, i don’t understand how, because there are a lot of other areas, the work there is not krynk, where the group that they gathered is already in krynk, it is no longer there. because the operation on karynka is over, it is not a robot, and the task that was set to

cut off a robot protrusion, it is simply informational, does not carry any tactical, strategic purpose, and from there you can also take some units to transfer and use in kurshchyna, kharkiv region, that is, more luhansk region , there is a concentration of them, the lateral borders of kharkiv oblast, this is belgorod, they are from there. and basically started there first to use the resources that they have, but there are certain sections, shades of the front, where they are, where it is traced, there it can be said about the north, about the east. that's how this broadcast was, join every weekday from 9 o'clock on the air of the tv channel and on

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volodymyr vyatrovych, a ukrainian deputy, who yesterday, although commenting on another event, namely the vote on... as the people say , the banning of the moscow church in to ukraine, he said so jokingly, ironically, that nothing can stop president zelensky from leading an idea whose time has come, and indeed , recently there is an impression that there are a million urgent things that could be done a long time ago to adopt, but until the president or his advisers somehow mature before that, somehow it is not implemented in the parliament, nevertheless. what changed with the roman statute, why did it suddenly become so necessary for us? i think there are two reasons here: it is situational, it is possibly connected to some extent with the operation of the armed forces of ukraine in the territory of the kurdish region, and some certain issues arose there that required coordination, although, if you look at the initiative of the president, it provides enough a long period

of postponement, in fact, and there about the entry into force of the main provisions of this statute, and the second point... i do not rule out that this is precisely in line with the trends of such activation of ukraine itself on the foreign policy track, that is, here we need to demonstrate that we are not only engaged in some internal reforms, but also think about some foreign policy positioning, which is one way or another related to, for example, integration into the european union, since the majority, the majority of the countries of the european union have ratified the statute, plus we have another such collision, which is related to between'. popular criminal court, for example, in the 15th year , the verkhovna rada, they just don't like to mention it now, well, the representatives of the current government, it ratified the jurisdiction, or rather recognized the jurisdiction of this court. but only in relation to the actions of the actual russian military and political leadership, but, let's say, we did not recognize it there and we still do not recognize it in relation to

the actions of our leaders, but now it is possible, well, they have made a certain decision and in the president's office have matured before that, that with with a certain delay, with a certain postponement, it should be done for so that we do not have any additional questions, actually from our partners, who may turn to it. attention and to ask a completely valid question that when we ask someone to implement the decision of the same court, and we ourselves have not actually ratified this statute, then questions arise about the objectivity of our position in general and whether we have the right to do something like that similar demand, but most likely in order to remove this conflict, well , to solve situationally certain issues related to the operation of the armed forces of ukraine in kurk region, well, a decision has been made to consider it. and ratify, but i emphasize once again with certain caveats, that is, it is not a quick process, and it will most likely drag on in time, it will drag on in time for a sufficiently long period. uhu, that is, it is not

exactly about gender equality and all such things and combating domestic violence, well , of course, yes, in our country, first of all, in relation to these issues, various other conventions have been adopted, it is easier with them, because they are, let's say, related to internal political matters, the question of the roman statute is a question generally external. politicians, but look, i want to say right away that despite the large number of pluses, there are also certain minuses, there are certain minuses, and they are connected with the fact that, for example, our military leadership, i am not talking now about the military-political the leadership, the military leadership may, well , face certain problems during the planning of certain operations, well, in what sense, will it have any, for example, legal consequences, as a response to some provocations there or to... which the russian federation, this is a key point because we we know many stories when, for example, they tried to bring the military to some kind of responsibility after the end of the war there,

and this was done by some international structures, these efforts, they were absurd, because it is clear that especially when it comes to when there is an aggressive war there one country against another, they are trying to bring to justice the military countries that defended themselves, but this mine can take place, because there is a possibility, that is... citizens of these countries can be so-called volunteers in the ranks of the armed forces of the russian federation, well mercenaries in fact, and for example, certain actions towards them by the armed forces of ukraine can now be considered by these countries theoretically as there, when we ratify the rome statute there, well as under... . for some lawsuits there and attempts to prosecute, no one there will first see that this person went to kill, loot for money, but they will proceed from the fact that he is a citizen of some

country there, and he was killed, i don't know there a drone or something else, and actually during the russian-ukrainian war, such nuances are present there, by the way, you need to think about them very carefully, and the legal conclusions that ukraine will prepare in this regard, they must be perfect and everyone must these nuances should be taken into account, actually myroslav hayv, by the way, there was an article about this recently... a military commentator and blogger wrote about the fact that he believes that this premature decision was better praised after the end of active combat operations, because, for example , israel and the usa, a country that almost always participates in active wars, did not ratify precisely for these reasons and for these fears. mr. igor, i would also like to ask about yesterday's decision of the verkhovna rada, it is already being presented as a historical one that changes everything, and this is an important step, an important one. a signal, nevertheless, yesterday we had a statement from the spokesman of the moscow patriarchate in ukraine, who said, and we will not comply with it, we had it in our nose, then your decision, and

there are no penalties in the law, and what they could be , well, this is the key problem, what is there there is this transitional period for the first time, and it all boils down to the activities of a certain structure, which, as i learned from your colleagues this morning, has as much as one lawyer on its staff, that is... one lawyer, yes, in our there are thousands of parishes there, according to various calculations, for example, a church that positions itself as the uoc, but in fact is the uoc mp, so it is clear here, it will be necessary to expand the staff, it will be necessary to strengthen all these checks, eh, and it seems to me that the activity of ours should be a key factor here law enforcement agencies, including the security service of ukraine, that is, they should continue the work they are doing now, and then submit certain materials that will indicate that some... there are priests, i don't know, come and so on , they are, for example, related to the aggressor country and, accordingly , some measures should be taken in relation to them, so i think that this whole story will go

exclusively to the judicial level. which, of course, will delay it for a certain period of time, but, well , it seemed to me that such a decision was made with with one goal, well, why not immediately, but with a certain delay, in order to protect ukraine as much as possible again from lawsuits, for example, to the european court of human affairs, we understand how these representatives of the moscow church will now manipulate this story, will tell about there are some persecutions and so on, and if all this is done purely legally, on such a legal level, but it must be strengthened, i emphasize once again that this... service that operates in our country, it must be significantly expanded, her budget should be increased in order for her i could deal with these issues and complete this procedure in 9 months, so then it is possible that there will be no claims to ukraine, to the state of ukraine, and no one will manipulate this issue, well, they won’t dare, and one more point, i hope, is there are certain prerequisites for this, that at least part of the parishes or parishes, they call them differently there,

and the uoc mp, they will draw the correct conclusion themselves, since they already have a legal basis for simply tearing it all apart , go to the ocu, is it possible there to think about some other status there, well, these are such purely religious questions, let's say, yes, since, as far as i know, according to statistics, at least a third of these parishes, they were just waiting for this decision, which would free their hands, and now they will more free in the context of the influence that the management actually exerted on them, and this can cause further such... exit, that is, the processes will go faster and less bureaucratically, as it seems at first glance. we have literally two minutes left, in short. center of resistance disinformation, let me remind the audience, a completely state organization under the national security and defense council, stated that russia has intensified narratives about the split between the military and political leadership. and with all this, i go to maryana bezuglai's page and yesterday's page, where she calls

the syrian zhukov names. says that it's a terrible situation there, everything is at will, she's shocked and so on, and i'm thinking, yes, okay, it turns out that mariana is insane - this is already an official russian narrative with us now, well, listen, considering that considering that her quoted literally 10 minutes after she writes some posts, it seems to me that, well , law enforcement agencies, i'm not talking now about any harassment from... i'm saying right away, yes in no way, but at least they have the right to conduct at least some kind of check, well, call her as a kind of witness and ask very simple questions: in general, what is going on, can the information that she publishes, for example, be published, since it is clearly related to the conduct of hostilities there, she tells about some things that we, about which we, for example, are not we know, we shouldn't know them, because this is an exclusively military sphere, so, well,

the russian narrative, the question is only... how much is it, you know, by default, or how much is it controlled, managed and actually in some way directed to the side, this is the key issue today, well, of course there is some truth in these messages as well, and a part of freedom of speech, i have no doubts about this either, but the lies that are superimposed turn everything into such shades of gray, mrs. mr. igor , thanks for the conversation, igor etyrovych, head of political and legal programs of the ukrainian center for social development. was with us, well, we just now have the time to pass the word to the information news service and kateryna shirokopoyas will appear on your screens just now, katya, you have the word, congratulations to andria, we will promptly report the most important news in a moment, so i ask espresso viewers to wait .

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