russia also inspires confidence among the citizens of these countries, and without surprises there, an extraordinary collapse of sympathy for putin's russian federation was demonstrated by europe, somewhere in germany, only 2% trusted putin there, for example, as of last year, but in india , just the opposite, there was an increase trust in putin as a leader, 40, it seems like 46 or 47% said they trust putin as a leader, that's a result of russian propaganda, that's a result of russian propaganda that's very serious on different levels, if it's academic the elite, this is one thing, there is the mass media, that is , it is precisely these things that look like a mass, there is a number of people, which even now exceeds the hindi language, and it is billions. people, that's why you understand

when such short messages like that are written in their language, you know those, they even prepare video clips directly from clips taken from the ministry of defense of russia, and they are simply subtitled or dubbed in some way and shown like that, and eh they are such that oh, destroys everything, putin is good, putin is fighting and so on, there were a lot of such nuances on... the last such a clip was very manipulative, he says that mody is now on his way to speak constructively, but you see, ukraine has started aggression towards the kursk region, and because of that we will have problems with them, that is, they are an obstacle for the ukrainians, prevent the emergence of fashion, that is, they never once mentioned that there was a shelling of ohmada, that is , there is such a manipulation... the manipulation is

incredible and the amount and on such a scale, so of course you know, the infiltration is very large and deep, if you are on west and such you find people, and no one ever paid attention to india, and there was always a lot there, and that is, after the independence of india, all the years of the soviet union, all the propaganda existed, then... there was soviet propaganda, look at the very famous book mitrokhin archive , mitrokhin's archives, are freely available, and look how many billions she lost in order to keep all the political forces, and simply to promote her agenda, and it was taken over by russia, it became infected, we still need to work and debunk these russian myths and fight against russian propaganda, we hope that this the visit will also somehow move. a little in the direction

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lesya vakulyuk, you are watching espresso tv channel and we on our tv channel prepared a project for the 33rd anniversary of ukraine's independence called "bright people in dark times". and within the framework of this project, a recording. conversations with those people who illuminate the path of our country. today, my guest will be the minister of foreign affairs of poland, radoslav sikorskyi, a great friend of ukraine. mr. radoslav, i congratulate you. good day. mr. radoslav, in 1991, when ukraine became independent, you worked as a journalist, writing for the american media. did you write anything about sovitsky then? union, did you imagine that it was the end?

in 1991, i was in ukraine in the donbas and wrote for the american magazine national review about the fact that ukrainians are in the east of ukraine. also want independence. and that insubordination. and they voted for this independence in your referendum. and it is important to remember that the east of ukraine, as well as crimea,... voted for leaving the soviet union and for the independence of ukraine. this war, this present-day russian aggression, was impossible to imagine at that time, but it is worth noting that the collapse of the soviet union, as a kind of colonial empire, was quite bloodless. and today's war is a delayed effect, the last phase of the russian...

how long will it take for them to realize that it is impossible to rebuild the russian empire, at the moment it does not look like the russians will start rethinking themselves.

i believe that it is very important not only for ukraine to win, but for russia to realize that they lost. this will not be

the first war that russia has lost, it is necessary to counter russian disinformation, as i did in the un security council in march. council of bezpem in march. russia lost the crimean war, russia lost the crimean war, lost the russo-japanese war, lost the invasion of poland in 1920, lost the first ukraine, then the world war, was excluded from it, lost the war in afghanistan, lost the war in chechnya, lost the cold war, and in fact, after each time reforms took place, so the victory of ukraine is a chance not only for ukraine, but also for russia, not only for есть также chance for russia, or is it holy, the world already understands that now about this war they say in europe, do they still mention ukraine?

ukrainians, this bold offensive, which is already being carried out on the territory of russia, in my opinion, but of course they take the biggest part , restores faith in the fact that ukraine can win, that it will have strong cards in the negotiations, or establish that ukraine can.

does it feel like, despite the fact that they are getting help from the world, but it is happening with a certain delay, because we could have received western weapons earlier, and with a well-trained army, we would have achieved more? what do you think i agree, i say it to the americans and i say it everyone, so i will say this to you too. americans

are at least six months late with their aid package, but so are you. much more with your mobilization, and the politicians decide on such and such matters. what do you think will be a victory for ukraine? it is for you to decide, we have no right to interfere with how long you still want to fight, what national accounts you want to achieve? europe must continue its support, as russia has broken two taboos in steel. it is not possible to change the borders by force under the drive help her brothers, if she wants to fight for the rights of minorities, which is allowed, then it can be done with the help of the council of europe convention on the protection of the rights of national minorities, not with the help of tanks and rockets. council of europe

to business and here europe is interested in ukraine. we talk about it all the time. putin, of course, would be crazy, he cannot defeat ukraine. someone lost the entire nato, of course. we are economically 20 times more powerful than russia. poland currently spends more than 4% of gdp on defense. by the way, we recently signed a major arms contract for 96

apache attack helicopters. pcb for selection. most nato countries are also already spending 2% of their gdp on defense, and this will continue, because putin ended the poster child of the cold war, during which it seemed that we had a lasting peace in europe. we now turn to the logic of deterrence. a year or two ago, putin said that the source of the collapse of the soviet union was the fact that brezhnem spent a lot of gdp on armaments, and that he cannot allow this to happen, but is doing it himself. russia spends 30% of its budget on armaments, this is unacceptable. one is german the military commander said that his internal clock told him that germany should be ready for war in about 5 years. he knows something that

we don't. in poland, time limits are being considered when this war can spill over into other european countries. as i said, putin would be crazy if he attacked nato, but he does crazy things, so unfortunately we can't rule that out, he threatened georgia and attacked georgia, threatened ukraine and attacked ukraine, threatened latvia and poland , and when russia threatens us, we threaten it we believe, so we have to take it seriously, that's why we are arming ourselves and that's why... the minister of defense of poland recently said that ukraine will not be in the european union until it resolves the issue surrounding the volyn tragedy. from the very beginning of the full-scale invasion, poland was side by side with ukraine. she has done a lot for all of us, and

we are very grateful for this and continues to help. but why such statements, don't you have the feeling that... relations between ukraine and poland have deteriorated now? i think they are very good now, but as it happens between neighbors with a complicated history, there are always some cases that need to be resolved, i hope that everyone in ukraine understands what happened in volyn. our sejm decree is called ethnic cleansing. these poles have their families in poland and do not understand why they cannot start. this is not against modern

ukraine, it is for historical truth, and we would be grateful and satisfied if ukraine allowed that exhumation. but is it time to talk about it when ukraine is engulfed in a great war. but in the situation, the codes of poland you are never on time, but in a situation where poland is sending the 45th package of military aid, when poland is the most important logistical hub for the absolute majority of all western aid for ukraine, for ukraine. when we sheltered a million ukrainian refugees who receive polish payments, for example, for children, then ukraine could allow polish archaeologists, polish services to do this work. service for execution. how long do you think ukraine's path to the eu will last? here

, a lot will depend, first of all, on what kind there will be a situation at the front, because the budgetary possibilities of ukraine will depend on it, but also how far european law should reach. how quickly you will carry out reforms, because the negotiations actually mean that ukraine should adopt the practice of european legislation. that is, to translate into ukrainian and vote in the council several tens of thousands of pages of european legislation. huge work. 35 sections for negotiations, including complex ones such as agriculture or transport. 35 razdział do wynegocjowania. "you are a big country, so you will have a big role in the eu economy, and there are also many votes in the european parliament and the council of europe, so under your influence the european union will also change, it will

not be an easy process, so that everyone wins the european one, it will not be an easy process, important interests will be affected , both with you and with us, and coordinating all of this so that everyone wins will not be easy." and but if we all do what we can, then i think by the end of this decade or the beginning of next, ukraine can join the european union. ukraine to donia can. at the beginning, the minister already recalled, at the beginning of our conversation i mentioned that, before becoming the head of the ministry of foreign affairs, you went to...

my first visit to kyiv as a minister took place only a day after my appointment, i plan to visit in ukraine again next month at the annual eu conference, so i hope that our next... poland's affairs, and we talked about ukraine, about it, about its prospects in the european union, about how much longer this war can last and whether europe remains. with ukraine, stay with espresso, this is a project of bright people in dark times on the espresso tv channel for the 33rd anniversary of the independence day of ukraine.

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