today in the verdict program with serhii rudenko. night raid on moscow. the authorities of the russian capital reported one of the largest drone attacks. in total, more than 50 ukrainian birds visited russia this night. does ukraine have the potential to increase air attacks? a new reality on earth. putin is trying to show calm and divert attention from the uncomfortable situation in kurshchyna with the help of diplomacy. how are russians being prepared for the need to put up with the loss of territories. throw off the russian yoke. new the law prohibits the activity in ukraine of religious organizations with centers of influence in russia. epiphanius calls. orthodox to

the dialogue, what does this mean for the religious communities of the uoc? glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, for the next two hours we will talk about war, peace, our victory, as well as the latest events and events that await us, well, in particular. on banning the activity of religious organizations connected with the russian federation. yesterday, the verkhovna rada of ukraine adopted the corresponding law, and now over the next nine or 10 months, religious organizations that have ties to the russian federation have to decide whether they will work in ukraine or whether they will simply leave ukraine. we will talk about this and other things in the next two hours with our experts.

part of our program will be sbu general viktor yagun, a political commentator, my colleague, journalist roman tsimbalyuk, and at 9:15 pm we will have political experts viktor boberenko and serhiy taran. however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest watch a video of how the night attack of drones and missiles on russia took place. the ministry of defense said that they managed to shoot down a total of 45 targets during the night, most of them on the approaches to moscow, the mayor there called the strike the largest at the beginning of the war, as it was, let's see.

it blew up, it blew up, look, there, there's another one, now, like ukrainian. drones and missiles are flying towards moscow, you can watch it forever. friends, throughout our broadcast we are conducting a survey, we are asking you today about this, whether it is in danger moscow church of the security of ukraine. yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, if you have your own opinion, please leave it in the comments below this video, if you are watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote by numbers, if you believe... that the moscow

church threatens the security of ukraine (0800-211-381), no 0800-211382. all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program and we will sum up the results of this vote. i would like to introduce our first guest today, this viktor yagun, major general of the reserve sbu, deputy head of the security service of ukraine in 2014-14-15. mr. general, i congratulate you. and thank you for being with us today. good evening. well, since we are asking our viewers about this and the viewers what they think about whether the moscow church is a threat to the security of ukraine, since you are a person who knows everything about the security of ukraine, or about the danger as well, i will ask you whether the moscow church is a threat security of ukraine? she always threatened, with her arrival in...

the country, and this can be counted, the end of the 17th century, she actively intervened in all affairs of ukraine and the population. and i think that this is one of the factors that led to the situation in which we now find ourselves, and at one of the moments of this war, which has actually lasted not three years and not 10 years, but a century, between our ukrainian and russian mentalities, including the moscow church with its distorted ideology of the russian world. yesterday, mr. general, the verkhovna rada of ukraine passed a law prohibiting the activities of religious organizations that are associated with the russian federation, with the aggressor country, has a transitional period from the date of the law's acquisition,

nine months, religious organizations must decide whether they will stop their activities, or they will join the religious and... organizations of ukraine, but religious organizations that will be associated with russia, there will be no more in ukraine, so what will happen after this nine-month transitional period, will it not happen that one of the religious organizations, which is the largest and which everyone points to, is tied to the russian orthodox church, just after nine months will say: but we have always been a ukrainian church, in general. does not have any connections with the russian orthodox church, and in general, all our statutory documents and all documents of the synod fully comply with the constitution and laws of ukraine. look, those who want to be priests and want to be in world orthodoxy, they need

to decide, or they will continue to lie to themselves and to all their parishioners and tell about their falsehoods. autocephaly, and at the same time, they are conducting worship services, they need, they need someone to commemorate, or only onuphria, and then they become a sect that is not part of any, well, any world structure, or they have to recognize one of the patriarchates under which they will be, that is, either the constantinople one, or the constantinople one... no no very, not very much accepts and does not want to accept, he told them the path where they should move, or moscow’s and, as it is now, moscow’s in spite of everything and the desire of these religious or pseudo-religious leaders who now

call themselves ukrainian in ukraine the orthodox church, they are on the site, their photos, their positions, negotiate somehow there, or whether you are really. you have some relation to the moscow patriarchate there, if you don't, let them exclude us, and conduct your own worship as you want, but i emphasize once again that if they, leaving the moscow patriarchate, do not join someone else, then they are transformed just, i don't know, a pseudo-orthodox sect. mr. general, simultaneously with the adoption of the law by the ukrainian parliament, the security service of ukraine informed about... the fact that 100 criminal cases against priests or proceedings against priests of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate during the great war in ukraine were initiated on the scale of the country and on the scale of the situation in which we

are now, that is, in the situation of war , is it a lot or a little? i think not enough because there is so much information out there. which they simply did not have time to implement, there are 100, 100 cases, these are already such glaring facts that simply could not be hidden, and they were documented both by the security service and by citizens who simply saw it with their own eyes or heard it there, for example, yes, there is some propaganda there, i just want to explain to our citizens that the vast majority are priests of the moscow patriarchate who... stay in ukraine , they consider their activity to be not so much religious and somehow called to some kind of pastoral activity, so much so that in part it is in the vast majority - it is a business, and when you

cannot legally record this business and cannot earn money, then a lot of them will begin to look for an opportunity to join someone somewhere, so i think that this will all very ... quickly fall into place and they will try to mimic and join the established religious institutions. unfortunately, unfortunately, we still have many, many years, if ten years, to spit out all that moscow abomination, and i don't want to say too much about it, we have specialists in religious matters there, so i think we are going to the right direction, the path will be very difficult, not easy, but we must go through it, commenting on the adopted law on the activity of religious this head of the orthodox church of ukraine, metropolitan epiphany, called on all the orthodox of ukraine

to dialogue and final release from the yoke near moscow. let's listen to what metropolitan epiphany said. the law makes it possible for all religious structures that have not yet done so to truly free themselves completely from moscow's control now. and we, from our side, again and again appeal to all the orthodox. in ukraine, who have not yet done so, to finally throw off this russian yoke, we are open to dialogue without preconditions, and this was recently it was said again in my address to metropolitan unuphrius and those who are with him. at the same time, the metropolitan added that to date the ocu has not received any response from the uoc mp, but metropolitan kliment is... the head of the information and educational department of the uoc said in an interview with the public that the uoc mp

will continue its activities, despite the adopted law. i will quote metropolitan klyment: the ukrainian orthodox church will continue to live as a true church, recognized by the vast majority of practicing ukrainian believers and local churches of the world. this is objective thing. any attempts to ban an objective thing will only lead to discredit, including international. those who want to implement it somehow. mr. general, well , for the past two decades, we have been observing another attempt by two parts of the ukrainian orthodox church, it is true that there were different orthodox churches, to unite, and we remember how it was under metropolitan volodymyr under filaret, and then there were talks about the fact that... let's unite, to what extent, at that time and now, the russian

special services can stand in the way of this union, taking into account the fact that the control of its spiritual space or the space of the church space in ukraine has always been one of the priorities of the russian special services? i think we are actively fighting them now and it is much easier to get rid of them now. of all those things, this address that you read, it is very, very cross-language, you have to understand, for example, that all the courts that they have already lost, including the constitutional court, regarding the name, he, they, they, they hide it all, there is nothing about property, it is actually about their activities, if they want to act by executioners, let them go to their houses and act there, but i emphasize once again, no one is going to leave them in ukraine just like that, if they think that they will use

some methods connected there i don't know, with the rising of the people there, there are some riots or something else, well, they are discrediting themselves, in fact, everything is going in its own way, nine months will pass, they will remain with a broken trough and the community. who did not have the opportunity, or had the opportunity, but no, they were not capable, they have the opportunity to get rid of all those representatives of the russian peace, and as for the russian special services, they act, they acted, they sent citizens of the russian federation to us, the control is much more brutal now, and i think it is more difficult for them will carry out certain activities, in particular through educational institutions, which i will exchange in time. teachers, our citizens there went to russia and were actually recruited

by fsb officers in cassocks, and then after that they spread the word about things related there from the churches with the russian peace, and churches and monasteries were actually turned into residences of the russian special services on our territory, i think that... well, i emphasize once again, it is not all that simple, but everything will go in the direction in which we we must, and we will get rid of them, but this is the beginning of a long road, mr. general, it is clear that we are talking not only about... those who serve in the church, but also about the parishioners who go to the priests, so here here a lot depends on each of the ukrainians who will come to the churches as representatives of the community and demand there the church they want, i have always

been surprised, to be honest, in the north-east chernihiv region, the sumy region, that... many communities and many parishioners go there without thinking to the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, not even taking into account certain nuances there, because ocu parishes are not as widespread in the northeast as precisely as you explain it, that is , for ukrainians it is not so fundamental whether ukrainians are used to going to the churches they go to and to what extent. .. can for conditions, if the priests of the ukrainian orthodox church say, listen, we will be closed, let's stand in a procession and go to kyiv to demand that we not be touched, how possible are such scenarios? i do not believe in such a scenario, although they can raise up to 5-10 thousand people there, you said about chernivtsi, chernihiv,

chernihiv, and i will tell you about bukovyna, about bukovyna, about transcarpathia, where in general the russian orthodox church is up to 45- there was no 46th year, there was a romanian orthodox church there, and there it was the greek catholic church, and this is just nonsense, yes, to what extent they have taken root there and the population is just there, well, i don’t know, they are almost ready to fight with pitchforks, for what, they themselves do not understand, because when you start talking to them, they don't understand what they are fighting for, not for some historical things, but... for some, well, i don't know, for some traditions, some customs brought from outside, ee chernihiv region, well, you see, that's all, unfortunately, er, it is necessary to heal, it is necessary to gradually come to the fact that there is a sick, sick feeling of certain

processes, not all of them understand them, and when... you start communicating with people, you see, they say, come on, these are very high matters, leave our father to us, do everything else you want there, so i think that it is still necessary leave the theologian to the lawyers, i think we will come, we have a law, yes, it is so peculiar there with a postponement for nine months, there with certain legal nuances, well, for example, you need to understand that... that literally 10 years have passed since the communist party was banned, only now it has finally lost all the courts and all, all their efforts have ended, so if anyone thinks that the lawsuits against the churches will literally be over there in a few years, it's not true, it will last for many years, but those processes are going on, they

are going slowly, but in the right direction, so i hope for the best, sir. general, another fairly important topic is the ability of the ukrainian state to shell or carry out air attacks on the territory of the russian federation, this night there was a night attack by drones on moscow, and as they say representatives of russia, some... drones were allegedly shot down in the suburbs of moscow, the mayor of moscow sabyanin said about it, and after that it was already reported in the ministry of defense of the russian federation that there were almost fifty drones flying in the territory of the russian federation that night, apparently they were successful blows in addition, gur reported today that on august 16

, a mig-31 aircraft and two aircraft were destroyed during an attack on the saveslake airfield, a military airfield. il-76 and about five aircraft, probably mih 31k, were damaged. and this too, ukrainians report already with reference to sources in gur. does ukraine have the potential to increase air attacks, mr. general? well, we actually work in that direction, because this is exactly the concept that should lead to victory, not to expect a blow and, well, to destroy. some kind of air target over ukraine, creating security, actually eliminating the place where it takes off, or where it is produced, and... this is a concept that was adopted back in the 22nd year, and we are gradually approaching it let's go and i think she brings her own results, we hit airfields, we hit

warehouses with ammunition, we hit enterprises that manufacture or repair this equipment, and this leads to its result, uh, if we cover some warehouses, and that. .. warehouses of aviation equipment and warehouses of aviation ammunition at the airfield, and this leads to a decrease in aircraft departures and their use, for example, of cabs at the front, well, this is clearly the result of proper work, another thing is that we do not have all the possibilities, yes, because what is the difference between, for example, a missile strike with cluster munitions, which can go to... a football field and destroy virtually everything that is there, and one small drone that carries, well, in extreme cases up to

50 kg of ammunition, and it does not always have a cluster component, i.e. it has to be a very precise hit on some single target, so unfortunately the difference is what we... expect to get if we do manage to convince our allies to allow us to strike at projects of the military infrastructure with the help of the weapons that we have available, that's it would be a very big plus, but no, let's work with what we have then, improve their characteristics, maybe come up with something new, because we don't have another way... to defeat the enemy remotely. against this background, the operation of the defense forces of ukraine is unfolding in the territory of the kursk region,

it is clear that the ukrainians have new opportunities to carry out air attacks closer to moscow, respectively. and the deputy chairman of the security council of the russian federation dmitry medvedev, who, by the way, was silent for a long time, i looked, the last post in he was on august 8, and here he is... appeared on august 21 in the public space with the opinion that the situation in kurshchyna indicates that there will be no negotiations with ukraine, i will quote medvedev. the empty chatter of unauthorized mediators on the topic of beautiful peace has been stopped. now everyone understands everything, even if they don't say it out loud, they understand that there are no more negotiations until the enemy is completely defeated. won't be, that's what, what does this mean, it means that russia declares war to a victorious conclusion to the last of its own

a soldier, that is, or is this just another bluff of medvedev? no, well, medvedev can be bluffing, but as a rule, everyone agrees that he actually broadcasts what is on the minds of their leaders, he is such a ... translator of ideas, i think that this is simply copying the actual situation , which was in the 45th year in nazi germany, with the fact that we believe in fuller and will fight to the end and no one will retreat anywhere, everyone forward, well forward so forward, well, whatever you do, i just emphasize to everyone and now it will say repeatedly on the air that they don't really have it so much time left. before making any decision, because they were hoping to hold a huge victory parade on may 9 , 2025, which is the 80th anniversary of the so-called victory

in world war ii, which they have been actively preparing for the last 10-15 years, that's for sure, and what are they coming up with may 9, with the occupied territory of foreign... troops with an uncertain situation in the economy and no victories at the front, well, at the moment it is such a day of victory, that's why they are in a very, very hurry, i think that this rush they are to to to big can lead to problems, well, these, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, and this. this haste, he er, which, in what way shapes our policy, that is, to make them more ee try to be nervous and take

wrong steps. everything is clear for us, we, we stand our ground, we have to stand, unfortunately, we do not have the resources that russia has, but with the help of our partners, with the help of our people, the rear, we, we will stand, at least in the positions we are in, even if we persist in the plan in which we are now, russia is not really in a positive moment, as they simply they speak for themselves, so, you know, i think that everything is going in the right direction, and in the coming period we will see significant changes in their rhetoric, and in their actions, and in their actions. today, mr. general, the verkhovna rada of ukraine ratified the rome statute of the international criminal court, it was signed on behalf of ukraine back in 2000, 281 deputies voted for it during the ratification, the rome statute is

a treaty... which recognizes the legality of the verdicts of the international criminal court, and his already ratified by 120 countries of the world, it was this international criminal court that issued an arrest warrant for putin in march 23, because putin is suspected of illegally deporting children from the occupied territories of ukraine to the russian federation, it is clear that ukraine wants to be a participant in the big, big... community, which is gathered in the international criminal court, the interests of these countries are protected by the international criminal court, and the fact that the russians commit war crimes, obviously this will also go through the international criminal court, but there is one nuance in this story, because this rome statute can be used for those people who are currently at the front, because they can also be accused of committing some

war crimes, in your opinion, will this not become a problem for ukraine and why, if you know, for 20 years or 24 years , ukraine did not ratify the rome statute, well, why did not ratify, because there was no political will, but we really came to a situation where we can find ourselves, and it is twofold, you know , that no no united states, not israel, not other countries, which actively... there they did not recognize the rome statute, recognize the right to a decision by an international court, but did not ratify the statute itself, and one of the arguments is the protection of their own citizens, primarily those citizens who carry out some tasks, including quite difficult ones in the interests of their states, whether ukraine will be able to protect our...

it is very difficult for me to say about this, because we may find ourselves in a situation where any inter, well, even international the criminal, having found himself abroad, will begin to demand within the framework of this statute of punishment, for our generals, officers who perform their duties for the protection of ukraine, and to prove his rightness, this person can be cleared. name only in the framework of the international process, and this process can be two-fold, we saw what happened to our national guard soldier markov in italy, you know, when baseless accusations are made on the basis of only some testimony, and there are enough testimonies biased, led to his... detention

and accusation, and only international publicity and the work of the ukrainian authorities and our citizens in the diaspora made it possible to overcome that situation and free him, i think that such processes can happen, i say that this is this this is a very unpleasant thing, but at the same time, well we decided that we will join the majority, well, let's see how it ends, thank you, mr. general, for the conversation, it was victor yagun, the general. sbu zapasu, former deputy head of the sbu. friends, we continue to work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who we are now watched live on youtube and facebook. please like this video. subscribe to our pages and also take part in our survey. today we ask you about the following: is the moscow church a threat to the security of ukraine. yes, no, although sometimes.