coins i remember when leonid kuchma first came to this hotel of the former central committee of the cpsu in moscow, as the prime minister of ukraine. and he comes and there is this group of journalists who run to him with a microphone, and here lenich looks at them and says: listen, where is your toilet here, says leni danylovych. and everyone tells me, oh, you have such a prime minister, and i have already talked to him, i know that he is not such a prime minister, i just understand that he did not want to answer any questions. and he decided to show them that he is like that, well, i am like that, i am like that, he is not like that, this is a huge problem of all people who communicated with kuchma, to think that he is like that, he is not like that, and this, by the way, is the problem of tabachnyk, to think that he is like that , but then, in addition to tabachnyk, there was also medvedchuk, yes, but still, kuchma somehow managed to slip out of full control, but i don’t know if he wanted to appoint tobacconists, medvedchuks, and so on, which tobacconists he wanted to appoint, because he believed that this was...

a man loyal to him, but was he being imposed on him, and this was also part of his agreement with moscow, well, in the end moscow supported him during the presidential campaign, his advertising was broadcast on soviet television, it was expensive, expensive not from the point of view of money, but from the point of view of the fact that our compatriots with you watched moscow television, and not ukrainian television back then, but one way or another he really is, but he immediately turned to horbulin, and horbulin was one of the key players in terms of preventing the seizure of crimea, then it was horbulin. and marchuk, of course, he began to create balance sheets, tobacconist, razumkov, horbulin, of tobacco, these balances eventually flew out, moscow, moscow, this whole hop company, all these hidden ones, he simply gave out, they did not receive anything, and in the end, in a few years , he had such a yeltsin regime, and i think that it is so everything would work, because this regime, it was based on his personal relationship with the students. and chornomyrden, but in

1999 there was a disaster, uh, chornomyrden lost power, his best friend, yeltsin, left politics at the end of 1999, and kuchma had to work with putin for the last four years, and putin his hated, hated, because for him kuchma was... he saw that kuchma was building ukraine absolutely for himself, not for him, and for putin ukraine was a mistake that kuchma built such a system in which you could not go to crimea you'll lick it, because there is a vertical, uh, but in fact an authoritarian vertical, he tried to pull the plug, you remember, yes, yes, and putin, as soon as he became president, he began to act against kuchma through his favorite special operations, this... this promotion of all these

things, which moscow took advantage of after khelnichenko's films, and they really started it for him to impose medvedchuk as a person who can be a mediator between him and the kremlin, because he himself cannot represent them, well, they wanted to appoint the same medvedchuk as kuchma's successor, and medvedchuk too, and kuchma understood this, kuchma is felt, yes... he did, well, he tried to nullify medvedchuk's influence on himself, i think that he tried to use medvedchuk and medvedchuk's ambitions precisely with the model of a parliamentary-presidential republic, the idea was very simple: if vitsya becomes mine, heir, and i won't have anything to catch, and you won't have anything to catch, well, by the way , this is what happened when president yanukovych became president in the 10th year, which was the departure of medvedchuk, nothing, that's why we need a parliamentary-presidential one. the republic, we

will share the influence there, even if he becomes the president, we will isolate him, let's say, i , someone of mine will be the prime minister, you will be, uh, the speaker of the parliament, he will be the queen of donetsk there, that's what i was in idea, and medvedchuk tried to explain this idea to vladimir putin and dmitry medvedev in 2000 fourth year, and they sent him, he performed. on their own behalf, on behalf of kuchma, they agreed with kuchma on this, it was a joint approach, but putin was told that they did not need any parliamentary presidential republic, that yanukovych should simply become kuchma's heir, because they knew that yanukovych was much more a controlled figure for them. and then a group of deputies did not vote for the draft parliamentary-presidential republic. a group of deputies from yanukovych. our ukraine yushchenko supported this project, but there it was several people, among me... "if you look

at all these surnames, you see that most of them are now in the city of heroi moscow, andriy derkach, he voted against, being a representative of the entire elite of ostia." already , that is, putin, medvedev and yanukovych failed kuchma's idea of ​​a parliamentary presidential republic, we returned to it only as a result of the first maidan, so kuchma in this regard was always in such a situation of fighting putin for his own self-preservation, and he tried to use your connections with... family yeltsin, he believed that they had some influence and would help him, maybe you remember that when the yeltsin center was opened in yekaterinburg, putin, medvedev and kuchma were there, kuchma was invited as a friend of the yeltsin family already after after the death of yeltsin, but their influence decreased, and even more so they

could not actually do anything when it came to foreign policy, and it was already foreign policy, after the crimea i met zanilovitch. i asked him if he talked to putin after the annexation of crimea, he just got mad, he said that he never talked to him in his life after that, that this is for him, as for the president of ukraine, because he is the president of ukraine, this is a personal insult, what happened, he will never talk to these people in his life, well personally, that is it became clear to him that these personal contacts, which they had, they were... severed, i remembered this episode, the three of us, leonid kravchuk, leonid kuchma and i, met at one of the diplomatic, diplomatic receptions, and we with leonid kravchuk, kuchma was already the head of the delegation at the negotiations in

minsk, and he behaved rather harshly at that moment, and kravchuk and i discussed that it was somehow strange, we had always known him and... it seemed that he was a person who was exclusively on his own, somehow focused and very soviet, he was so behaves with the russians, just like that, as a ukrainian nationalist, and all his articles are recent as a ukrainian nationalist and so on, and then leonid kuchma came up to us, asked what we were talking about so cheerfully, i am honest with him, i always he was honest with them, they are still the president of ukraine, he said that we are talking about him we wonder that he has a state instinct. and here lenid kuchma says, i am surprised that it took you both 20 years to understand this. and this, by the way, is an aphorism that again speaks about the mental abilities of this person. and look, that is, it is paradoxical, that is, i do not know whether it is the influence of the sacrum, whether it is the sacrum of power, whether it is a sense of responsibility, or god forbid, well, but

it is possible the finger of god, we do not know how all this mechanics works, well, but the actor of the communist party becomes a ukrainian statesman, we say... soviet communist director, who was covered from all sides by various medvedchuks, tobacconists and so on, he becomes a ukrainian nationalist and a kind of mini-atataturk, and so on and on down the list, and we now see the implementation of the concept army, language, faith, well, literally, yes, and at one time, i remember very well our conversation with you, when volodymyr zelensky won the elections. said that he has no other way, if he wants to be the president of ukraine, he will be a ukrainian nationalist and the army, language and faith will be on the table for him, i remember ours with you privately, before the elections, i was told about this and many people reproached me, how could you say such a thing, that whoever

is elected as the president of ukraine, he will follow this path, well, that's why you contributed to the victory of zelenskyi, i am not contributing to anything, i was just saying , that there is no alternative, because the ukrainian president has a simple choice, or to be the governor of the kursk region. i'm sorry, or to be the president of ukraine, and no one wants to be the governor, because there is no, by the way , guarantee that you will be left with the governorship, that 's the problem, that when you are elected the president of ukraine, this is also a certain crime, but yanukovych wanted to become the governor of the kurdish region, by the way, he flew out like a cork from a bottle, not against the wishes of moscow, but the wishes of the ukrainian people, so she is the only vector, and indeed leonid kuchma, however he did not try to get closer to... moscow from different political vectors, i remember that at the end of his presidency he even signed this agreement on a single economic space, still the system, i would say, and and and and society and and nomenclature turns out to be stronger than their idea of ​​all this, well , you mentioned about the tobacconist medvedchuk, but there were statesmen, volodymyr horbulin

, yes, a man with a statist mindset, i think that few people doubt it, yevhen marchuk, a man with a statist mindset, yes , with a very complex system of personal connections, and this is obvious to people. who spent her whole life in the special services, but one way or another, this is a person for whom ukraine was a real priority, and here again, just imagine, evgeny marchuk, 90 e. 4-95, heads this commission, which deals with the black sea fleet, yes, and the main condition of moscow, if you want to have any relations with it at all, you have to leave the black sea fleet there for life, the visa of yevgeny morchuk, olek saskavets, the first vice-premier of the russian federation, one of the main figures in this system of special services, a person is connected with this ee. korzhakov was the head of yeltsin's bodyguard and almost there minskykov of the russian regime at the time, and soskovets does not

manage to outplay marchuk, although he seems to completely understand how to do it, he is an ethnic ukrainian, he has a clear understanding of how the ukrainian system works, but guilt turns out to be powerless, there is a fixed deadline, and then already in the times of putin and medvedev , all these agreements have to be literally undermined by the kharkiv agreements, that is, everything they plan anyway. it could not happen, but it turned out that there could only be an instrument of force, these politicians, who are not just force, but a frank meat grinder, that is , russia did not just go to war against ukraine with the preparation of a possible war against western countries, others on the continent , whether against the baltic countries or against poland, russia entered a meat grinder for itself, that is, they did not expect such a number of two hundred, that is... svo, that is, they were afraid of that number of corpses,

as far as i understand, when they began to prohibit the use of the word war, that is, and try to replace it with the term that they gave birth to those who returned to them, but on the other hand, this means that perhaps they will be ready to go further, that is, when there are no other scenarios, neither economic, nor diplomatic, nor any other, there remains only a forceful yes. and powerful stretched in time, well, there is a seven-year war, a 30-year war, a hundred-year war, an eternal war, that these people are very primitive, they could have followed a different path, and it is not known what would have happened, they pushed away all those people who they said all the time, even after the election of putin, do not follow the path of force, you will not find anything good here. viktor chornomyrden said that this was in 2004, he told vladimir putin and dmitry medvedev, there is no need to put pressure on ukraine, it is necessary... it is not necessary to impose yanukovych, whom they hate, on them. he offered a completely different one

the candidacy on which moscow had to rely. no, yanukovych. volodymyr lytvyn. ugh. volodymyr lytvyn. ot. and he actually said out loud that volodymyr letin would be an absolutely normal, loyal partner. well, yes, he will be the president of ukraine, but he does not lead. yes, that's why agree to yushchenko and then make a revenge, uh, supporting, let's say, lytvyn, or lytvyn, the chairman of the verkhovna rada, give him the opportunity to strengthen his powers, forget about yanukovych, he about no, they needed a person who will simply be , which they will be to hold in your hands, what is a lytvyn, well, you know what a lytvyn is, he is a person with whom you need to sit down and talk, negotiate for a long time, and there is no exact guarantee that you will agree with him, of course, the way it will be interpreted and fulfilled, well, yes, because he is a politician, well, what he is, well, chornomyr

did not know how to conduct these conversations, and putin does not know how, that is the problem, putin's behavior is spinning, call me dzeko yanukovych, vitya, i will strangle you, ugh , let's do what they said, and this one, of course, he really liked yanukovych in this, in this respect, he liked yanukovych, because for him yanukovych was just a person who should prepare power for medvedchuk. that is, zek must hand over power to an agent, period, the history of ukraine is over. yes, well, but in fact the story of yanukovych is over, well, let’s hope, the story of medvedchuk, that there will be no return, but also putin and the kremlin, they are stubborn idiots, they constantly tried to return one or another negotiating card with the participation of medvedchuk, that is, they are really his considered an outstanding expert, yes on the issues of ukraine, at one time, as far as we understand, they all have their training plans. they were preparing for a full-scale invasion of ukraine, including in the circles

associated with medvedchuk, associated with derkach and not only with them, and they believed that they had a so-called operational plan for the capture of ukraine, the capture of the ukrainian government, but they they did not prepare for the fact that they would receive so much blood and they would receive literally the north of ukraine, the battles that took place there, they... did not expect them, they did not expected that everything would start burning from the ground to the sky, that is, and here we are talking about, well, what kind of idiot do you have to be to believe that those people gave you the whole thing... the one that they presented as their interpretation of ukraine, the readiness of the ukrainian people, and so on, for any scenarios, that is, they bring them back again, that is, the impression is that in the kremlin , well, they do not study, or they are not provided for training, well, they do not study, it seems to me, from times of ivan antonovych, this is such a thing, but on the other hand, here are medvedchuk's strengths, medvedchuk is not a ukrainian, but a russian

apparatchik, what is the difference between a ukrainian apparatchik and a russian... a ukrainian apparatchik discusses these or other things with the first person so as not to lose power, but in principle tries to provide the first person with more or less adequate information about what is going on, the task of the ukrainian apparatchik is to influence the first person and interpret the information he provides, ugh, and this is how all the heads of the administrations of the president of ukraine behave, who had some influence from... domestic dmytro tabachnyk, by the way, who for the first time was such an authoritative head of the administration, to andriy yermak. interpretation of real information. in moscow , it's like that, it doesn't work. in moscow, you need to work with information that the client wants to hear. uhu, that is, the first one, that is, they go to the first one, knowing what he wants to hear. yes,

if you work otherwise, you will simply lose everything. that is, your task is to provide the client with the information... that he likes, and then , within the framework of his instructions, to act more or less close to reality, well, this is a different approach, huh, and this is an approach that very often is just and doomed to disaster, that is, if you are given an order to capture kyiv in three days based on this information that you give to the client, then you cannot capture it in three days, you can only do it there to introduce troops to some territories there and to hope that you will get something there in two weeks or two months, and there are many such examples, and medvedchuk all the time he gave and gives information to putin that putin wants to hear, but putin is there, there is no ukrainian people, this state does not exist, zelensky he betrayed us, he didn't, he doesn't so on, yes and plus it's still huge

money, you get paid for it, imagine some sociologist, some yevhen kopatsky, who is preparing. i don't know if he is preparing now, but he was definitely preparing before 2022, there should already be good numbers and correctly interpreted, because if you bring bad numbers, you won't be paid, or they will drive you away with some stinker, because it is the kgb. they are arranged like that. i don't understand why, they always provided the party apparatus with exactly such figures, and when they themselves found themselves in power, they somehow took it for granted in charge not armed, it seemed that they should have understood that this was unreal, they were working with unreality all the time, they deceived party officials very often, ugh, but they turned out to be completely hostage to this line of behavior, by the way, we know the story which allowed yeltsin to create the cis and abandon the soviet union, it was also sociology, galina storovoitova

met with yeltsin before the referendum on ukraine's independence, they asked him what he would do, she was... an adviser to the president yeltsin on national issues, what is he going to do after december 1? and yeltsin said that he was not going to do anything, because he could not imagine that the ukrainian people would vote against the union with russia. imagine that this is not storovoitov, but viktor medvedchuk. viktor medvedchuk immediately brings yeltsin the figures that 80% of ukrainians are against the act of independence, and on december 2 yeltsin thinks, so what, something must be done. maybe the troops will be sent there, they didn't vote the right way, maybe it's a falsification, galina storova, who was not medvedchuk, was just a conscientious, professional person who was killed, by the way, we still do not know who killed her and why, well, we understand that it is about the kgb, because she was not in the kgb, because she did not work for the kgb and not for kgb methods, well, she says, but i have sociology, boris

mykolayovych, more than 90% will be in favor of independence, and here yeltsin says, so we have to do something. let's think, if ukraine leaves the soviet union, what should we do to somehow maintain our ties with ukraine? well, it's a different approach if you surround yourself jerks who just want to make money, then you become putin, well, accordingly, we can draw a certain projection, that is, we understand this, i don’t know, this rusty icebreaker, who are controlled by either degenerates or jerks, that is, who got involved in the war... , that is , this trajectory does not foresee changes, is there still a feeling that this or that, this or that narendra modi, or this or that joseph biden, or this or that, i don't know, some other co... active brain of the world , global economic and so on, he can direct, i don't know, take xi jinping separately, can steer this trajectory to

nowhere, but the trajectory to nowhere is the trajectory of the war against ukraine, which they have made the meaning of the existence of their current state machine, that is the meaning, this state machine looks very simple, it is a tank, it is fighting, it is just fighting he has there is a tank driver with a very small brain, i would say, putin is sitting in this tank, and he is driving, ugh, so there is only one way to stop a tank: a troon or a javelin, or it will fall into some trench and get stuck there and stay there stand and do nothing will not change, because he will think that it is necessary to go further, but he simply cannot, he has to get bogged down, the very idea that you can go to this tank and knock on it. by the barrel, let's have some conversations with you, let's turn the other way, turn the other way, will it just stop there, let's drink champagne, look each other in the eyes, it will be more profitable

if you buy quality fuel, we will repaint your tank, some beautiful color, no, it’s absolutely not interesting, it should get bogged down, that’s all, this is zelensky’s peace formula, relatively speaking, or not zelensky, but this is the real formula for peace, the tank must get bogged down, because... in this tank no information is perceived, mods sidzenpin, that's all, if they say something, it doesn't matter, if they stop buying oil, it is interesting, because the tank has nothing to go on, and as long as it has fuel, it goes, well, but on the other hand, they have the same success, for example, they handed over to the beautiful republic of turkey what is called the caucasus, that is, caucasian interests putin handed over and baku, and istanbul and not only them, that is, we understand that even... iran resists putin's influence in the caucasus more than putin himself, paradoxically, that is, i don't know if he understands it, i would say so, i would even

say it differently, he understand, he just thinks differently, he thinks that he will return all this after the victory over ukraine, that the victory over ukraine will paralyze everyone so much that they will not go anywhere, they will come themselves, that while he is fighting, they allow themselves this. a free hand, somewhere there to look to the side, disbanded, because i don't have one, he doesn't look at these people, as sovereign leaders, he looks at it simply as slaves, the master is busy, he is in the stable, just punishing another slave, and they are all doing something there at this time, because the master is in the stable, soon the master will return, the slave will be there he is punished, hanged, i don’t know there with his head... lopa, show them his head there, and that’s all, fine, but in any case the tank is going, the tank has to get bogged down, and we don’t even know, we don’t even

want to talk about number of dead, yes, because we understand that not only enemy soldiers die, our fighters die, i.e. the concept of the tank, it does not involve any kind of compromise, yes, but there was, there was something in istanbul, we don’t even fully understand what was signed, what was... talked about, but in any case it was rejected, there were certain minsk processes, and we understand that ukraine, it is also preparing, and this should scare russia much more, because this is the same kurdish operation, we will not exaggerate it, taking into account what is happening right now, these days on the line front, but in any case kursk the operation demonstrated putin's lack of response, the führer cannot remain silent when he is losing. the territory of the reich, but it can't, putin has, had to say something, the führer is not real, he was a real führer after all, the truth is, well, this führer is probably already in

the refrigerator, yes, if you believe the nightingale, well, i'm joking, well but in any case the answer did not come from him, well, because it is not a sensation, well, there is no need to confuse, but he was a deeply ideologically oriented person, he simply believed in his mission, a missionary role, and these are people, and this is petty the general who decided... that he would be a game, that he would play the role of napoleon in order to maintain power, well, this is a completely different story, he was a fanatic, and this is just a scumbag, yes, but on the other hand, what does this mean for us, that is, in any case, he went to war, that is, if he wanted, well, he did not want to go to war, however, he just wanted to take kyiv in three days and calm down, well, what does that mean, change the government by force, for example, about absolutely exact changes to restore the borders of the dpr, lpr, as they imagined them. and change the authorities in kyiv, so that these authorities agree to this restoration of the borders, a very simple operation, and by the way, to allow them to add something else there, which they wrote in the instructions, well, that's it, as a result. so they

just broke into a bloody war, but again, when you talk about the istanbul agreements, i can say a clear formula of the istanbul agreement, russia wants, if not to conclude an agreement, at least to publicize such agreements that would lead to destabilization of the situation in ukraine, i.e. it is like a tool, a destabilizing tool, that is, there can be various instruments of destabilization, some agreements can be proposed that will allow. to the ukrainian society to shout that the president is a traitor, let's get together, that's it, we can't stand it anymore, zelensky surrenders ukraine, they will wake up these narratives sometimes, this is one tool, another tool, the murder of iryna farion here in lviv, a tool, a tool, one way or another, we we don't even say how it happened, but when they saw it, they began to use it as a tool to push different sections of society together, they it doesn't work, but they think so, because

they always think so. in order to understand this, it is worth looking not at the ukrainian -russian war, but at the chechen war. the opposition they bought to destabilize the situation in chechnya, huh. the murder of dzhokhar dudayev, the agreement in khasavyurka, and again, after these agreements, work on the destabilization and separation of chechen society. but they did not go to khasavir until now, well, during the russian-ukrainian war. that is, on such agreements that would allow them to regroup, prepare for some new phase, not that they didn't go, but we didn't go either, we didn't go, we didn't go for other reasons, that is, we are aware that for what they would need some istanbul-minsk hasavit, i don't know, well, on the other hand, khan yandarbiyev and slan maskhadov were not behind the president of the united states and the prime minister of great britain, they were , from the point of view of international law, a republic

within the russian federation. sympathized with people who are subjected to repression and terror from the central government, but the west is completely different behaved, imagine that in this situation the west would start supplying real weapons to chechnya, to the north caucasus in this situation, even after the second time of the second chechen war, would have long been independent states, why did putin now rely on the caucasus, why did he not go to belgorod oblast, so why? why is he making such completely strange circles , turning, why am i talking about putin now, because now in the current phase , a lot depends on this madman, we will form the key menstruum, and maybe he can answer why, because he is a lieutenant colonel of the kgb, and you are not a lieutenant colonel of the kgb, you cannot understand him, how a lieutenant colonel of the kgb acts in such a situation, he needs his population to have an image of stability in their heads, he is making

a counter-terrorist operation in the bryansk region and immediately throws a bridge to the counter-terrorist operation in the north caucasus, but do you remember, dear compatriots, how terrible it was in the north caucasus, children were killed by the hundreds, terrorists were rampaging everywhere, there was a war that the west was waging against us then there organized, there was destabilization of russia, but we announced a counterterrorist operation, and now daglat, too, by god's grace. vladimir putin is going along putin avenue to the putin institute in order to talk to the volunteers who will take part in this counter-terrorist operation, how wonderful, this is such a saoron ring, he is ringing the situation so that people have hope, well if he decided there, then he will decide here too, nothing, did some terrorists invade russian land again, that was already the case, well there won't be a counterterrorist operation, we don't pay

attention to it... putin will figure it out. it is very important that you mentioned certain differences, such as the west's attitude towards chechen independence and support for ukraine. we understand that such an impression has now gone on to significantly increase rates. when we talk about a qualitative change in supply, i.e. aviation - it is in any quantity , whether it is one or two squadrons, but it is already a change in attitude, and we also understand that it is not easy. just about flying weapons, not about the situation in the sky, not about strengthening, about red lines and about the hint of putin's ass, you know, it was passed in a piece, saying, and we can increase the number of aviation, and he also did not have an answer, whether he reads such things at all, that is, they understand...