becomes a ukrainian statesman, we are talking about kravchuk, the soviet communist director, who was covered from all sides by various medvedchuks, tobacconists and so on, he becomes a ukrainian nationalist and a kind of mini atataturk, and the list goes on and on, and we are now seeing the realization the concepts of the army, the language of faith, well, literally, and at one time i remember very well our conversation with you, when volodymyr zelenskyi won the elections, you said that he had no other way if he wanted to be the president of ukraine, he will be a ukrainian nationalist, and the army, the language, faith will be on the table, i remember our private conversation with you before the elections, and many people reproached me, how could you say such a thing, that no matter who was elected ukrainian president, he will go this way, well, that's why you contributed to zelenskyi's victory, i 'm not contributing to anything, i was just saying that there is no alternative, because in ukrainian...

the president has a simple choice, either to be the governor of the kursk region, i'm sorry, or to be the president of ukraine , and no one wants to to be governor, because there are no guarantees, by the way, that you will be left with the governorship, that's the problem, that when you are elected president of ukraine, it is also a certain crime, but yanukovych's measures to become the governor of the kurdish region, by the way, flew out like a cork from a bottle, it is not the wishes of moscow, but the wishes of the ukrainian people, that is why it is the only vector, and indeed. leonid kuchma, no matter how he tried to get closer to moscow from different political vectors, do you remember that at the end of his presidency he even signed this agreement on a single economic space, all the same, the system, i would say, and both society and nomenclature turns out to be stronger than their ideas about all this, well, you mentioned about the tobacconist, medvedchuk, but there were statesmen, volodymyr horbulin is such a person with a statesman's mindset, i think that few people doubt that evgeny marchuk is a person with a statesman's mindset, yes, with a very complex... system of personal connections,

and this is obvious for a person who would spend his whole life in the special services, but one way or another it is a person for whom ukraine was a real priority, and here again, just imagine, evgeny marchuk 90 e thursday 95 heads this commission that deals with the black sea fleet, ugh, and the main condition of moscow, if you want to have any relations with it at all , you have to... leave the black sea fleet there for life, vis-à-vis yevhen marchuk oleksavets, the first vice-premier of the russian federation, one of the main figures in this system of special services, a person connected with this, korzhakov, the head of yeltsin's security and almost there mianchikov of the russian of that time regime, and soskovets does not manage to outplay marchuk, although he seems to understand absolutely how to do it, he is an ethnic ukrainian. he

has a clear understanding of how the ukrainian system works, but it turns out to be powerless, there is a fixed deadline, and then already in the times of putin and medvedev, all these agreements have to be literally undermined by the kharkiv agreements, that is, all the same that they planned in yeltsin's time it could not happen, it just turned out that there can only be an instrument of force, those policies that are not just force, but a frank meat grinder, that is... russia did not just go to war against ukraine with the preparation of possibly a war against the western countries of other countries on the continent there against the baltic countries or against poland, russia went into the meat grinder for itself, that is, they did not expect such a number of two hundred, that is, as far as i understand, when they began to ban the use of the word war, that is, and try to replace it with the term svo, that is, they were afraid of the number of corpses that they ... gave birth to, which returned to them,

but on the other hand, this means that it is possible they will be ready to go further, that is, when there are no other scenarios, neither economic, nor diplomatic, nor any other, there remains only not just force, yes, but force stretched over time, well, there is a seven-year war, a 30-year war , century-old war, eternal guilt, but these people are very primitive, they could have followed a different path, and it is not known what would have happened, they pushed away all those people who... all the time said, even after the election of putin: no follow the path of force, you will not find anything good here. viktor chornomyrden said that it was in 2004. he told vladimir putin and dmitry medvedev that there is no need to put pressure on ukraine, it is necessary, it is not necessary to impose yanukovych, whom they hate, on them. he proposed a completely different candidacy, on which moscow had to rely. no, yanukovych. volodymyr lytvyn. ugh. letvina, and he actually

said it out loud, that volodymyr letvin would be an absolutely normal, loyal partner, well , he would be the president of ukraine, but no... well, there wouldn’t be such trash, but they wanted trash, so agree to yushchenko and then make a revenge, ugh, supporting, let's say lytvyn, is that lytvyn, the chairman of the verkhovna rada, give him the opportunity to strengthen his authority, forget about yanukovych, he is not, they needed a person who will simply be, who they will hold in their hands, what is lytvyn, well, you know what is a lytvyn, he is a person with whom you need to sit down and talk, negotiate for a long time, and there is no exact guarantee that you are with him. to lead, and putin can't, that's what's the problem, putin's behavior is erratic, call me zzek yanukovych, vitya, i

'll strangle you, ugh, let's do what they said, and such, of course, he liked yanukovych very much, in this, in this respect, he liked yanukovych, because for him yanukovych was just a person who has prepared... power for medvedchuk, that is, zek must hand over power to an agent, period, the history of ukraine is over , yes, well , but actually the story of yanukovych is over, well, let’s hope, the story of medvedchuk, that there will be no return, but also putin and the kremlin, they are stubbornly idiots, they constantly tried to return one or another negotiating card with the participation of medvedchuk, that is, they indeed, he is considered an outstanding expert, both on matters of ukraine, of his time. as far as we understand, they prepared all their plans to prepare for a full-scale invasion of ukraine, they prepared, including, in the environments associated with medvedchuk, associated with derkach and not only with them, and they believed that they possessed the so-called operational plan

to seize ukraine, seize ukrainian power, but they did not prepare for the fact that they will receive so much blood and teeth, they will literally receive... northern ukraine, which there were battles, they didn't expect them, they didn't expect that everything would start burning from the ground to the sky, that is, and here we are talking about, well , what an idiot you have to be to believe that those people are up to you , which they presented as their interpretation of ukraine, the readiness of the ukrainian people, and so on, for any scenarios, that is, they return them again, that is, the impression is that in the kremlin , they do not learn or they do not lend themselves to learning. they have been learning, i think, since the time of ivan antonovych, this is such a thing, but from a different point of view side, what are medvedchuk's strengths, medvedchuk is not a ukrainian, but a russian apparatchik. what is the difference between a ukrainian apparatchik and a russian apparatchik. the ukrainian apparatchik discusses

these or other things with the first person so as not to lose power, but in principle tries to provide the first person with more or less adequate information about what is happening. the task of the ukrainian apparatchik is to influence the first person and interpret the information he provides, well, and this is how all the heads of the administrations of the president of ukraine, who had some influence, from the conditional dmytro tabachnyk, by the way, who was such an authoritative head of the administration for the first time, to andriy yermak, the interpretation of real information, in moscow it is like that, it does not work, in moscow you need to work with... with information that wants to hear the client, uh, that is the first, that is, they go to the first, knowing what he wants to hear, yes, if you work differently, you just lose everything, that is, your job is to give the client the information that he likes, and then

within his instructions to act more or less closer to reality, well, this is a different approach, uh, and this is an approach that very often is just... doomed to disaster, that is, if you are given an order to capture kyiv in three days, based on this information that you give to the client, then you can't capture it in three days, you can only do it there by sending troops into some territories there and hope that you will get something there in two weeks or two months, and there are many such examples, and medvedchuk all the time gave, and gives information to putin that putin wants to hear, there is putin, but there is no ukrainian people. this state does not exist, zelensky betrayed us, there was no, no, and so on, so yes, and plus this is huge money, you are paid for it, imagine some sociologist, some yevhen kopatsky, who prepares sociology in ukraine, i i don't know if he is preparing now, but he was definitely

preparing before 2022, there should already be good numbers and correctly interpreted, because if you bring bad numbers, you will not be paid, or you will be fired. because this is the kgb, they are so arranged, i don't understand why, they are all at the time, the party apparatus was given exactly such figures, and when they themselves... found themselves in power, for some reason they took it upon themselves , it seemed that they should have understood that it was unreal, they had been working with unreality all the time, they they deceived party officials very often, ugh, but they turned out to be absolutely hostages of this line of behavior, by the way, we know this story that allowed yeltsin to create the cis and renounce the soviet union, it was also sociology, galina storovoitova met with yeltsin before the referendum . on independence of ukraine, he was asked what he will do, she was president yeltsin's adviser on national issues, what is he

going to do after december 1? and yeltsin said that he was not going to do anything, because he could not imagine that the ukrainian people would vote against the union with russia. imagine that this is not storovoitov, but viktor medvedchuk. viktor medvedchuk immediately brings yeltsin the figures that 80% of ukrainians are against the act of independence. and on december 2 , yeltsin thinks. what is that? do you need to do something? can the troops enter? something is wrong with them did you vote maybe it's a fake? galina storovoyta, who was not medvedchuk, was just a conscientious, professional person killed there. by the way, we still don't know who killed her and why? well, we understand that it is about the kgb, because she was not in the kgb, because she did not work for the kgb and not according to the methods of the kgb, so she says: "my sociology, boris mykolayovych, will be more than 90% for independence." . and here yeltsin says, so we have to do something, galina vasylivna, let's think, if ukraine

leaves the soviet union, what should we do, to somehow maintain his ties with ukraine. well, it's a different approach, if you surround yourself with jerks who just want to make money, then you become putin. well, accordingly, we can draw a certain projection, that is, we understand, yes, this is, i don’t know, a rusty icebreaker, which is controlled by either... or idiots, that is, who got involved in the war, that is, this trajectory does not foresee changes, or still, there is a sense that this or that, this or that narendra modi, or this or that joseph biden, or this or that, i don't know, some other collective mastermind world, global economic and so on, he can direct, i don’t know, take sijin ping separately, he can direct this trajectory to nowhere, but the trajectory to nowhere is the trajectory of the war against ukraine, which... they made the meaning of the existence of their current state machine , that’s the point, this state

car looks very simple, it’s a tank, it ’s moving, it’s just moving, it’s got a tank driver with a very small brain, i’d say, putin’s tank is sitting in this tank, and he’s driving, ugh, so you can stop the tank only one possibility. or a javelin, or he will fall into some trench and get stuck there and will stand there and nothing will change, because he will think that it is necessary to go further, but he simply cannot, he has to get stuck, the very idea that you can reach this tank come and knock on er this on the head, let's have some conversations with you, let's turn the other way, turn the other way or just stop there, let's drink champagne, look into each other's eyes, it will be more profitable if you buy quality fuel, we... let’s repaint your tank some beautiful color, no, it’s absolutely not interesting, it has to get bogged down, that’s all, this is

zelensky’s peace formula, relatively speaking, or not zelensky’s, but this is a real peace formula, the tank has to get bogged down, because in this tank there is no information is not accepted, modi sydzenpin, that's all, if they say something, it doesn't matter, if they stop buying oil, it's interesting, because the tank has nothing to go on, and as long as it has fuel, it eats. well, on the other hand, they have the same success, for example, they passed to the beautiful republic of turkey, what is called the caucasus, that is , putin transferred caucasian interests to baku and istanbul and not only to them, that is, we understand that even iran is more resistant to putin's influence in the caucasus than putin himself, that's paradoxical, that is, i don't know , does he understand it, i would say so, i would even say it differently, he understands it, he just thinks differently. he thinks that he will return all this after the victory over ukraine, that the victory over ukraine will paralyze everyone so much

that they will not go anywhere, they will come themselves, that it's while he's fighting, they allow themselves this, a free woman, to look somewhere in the side, they're loose, because i don't have them, he doesn't look at these people as sovereign leaders, he looks at it just as slaves, the master is busy. he is just punishing another slave in the stable, and at this time they are all doing something there, because barin is in the stable, soon barin will return, the slave... will be punished there, hanged, i don't know, there with the head of the slave, show them his head there , and that's all, well, but in any case the tank is going, the tank has to get bogged down, and we don't even know i don't even want to talk about the number of dead, yes, because we understand that not only enemy soldiers are dying, our fighters are dying, that is, the concept of the tank, it does not

involve any kind of compromise, yes, but there was, there was something... in istanbul, we do not even fully understand what was signed, what was spoken, but in any case it was rejected, there were certain minsk processes, and we understand that ukraine, it is also preparing, and this should scare russia much more, because it's the same kurdish operation, we are not we will exaggerate it taking into account what is happening right now on the front line, but in any case, the kurdish operation demonstrated putin's lack of response, the führer cannot... keep silent when he is losing the territory of the reich, he cannot, putin has, should have said something, the führer is not real, he was still a real führer, right, and this führer is probably already in the refrigerator, yes, if you believe the nightingale, well, i'm joking, well, but in any case, the answer is no came from him, well, because it's not a sensation, well, don't get confused, he was

a deeply ideological man, he just believed in his missionary role, and this... people, and this is a petty thug who decided that he would be a game, that he would play the role of napoleon in order to maintain power , well, this is a completely different story, he was a fanatic, and this is just a scumbag, yes, but on the other hand, what does this mean for us, that is, in any case, he went to war, that is, if he wanted, well, he did not want to go to war, however, he wanted to simply take kyiv in three days and calm down, so what does it mean to change the government in a forceful method, for example, oh, absolutely changes, restore the borders of the dpr, lpr, as they imagined them, and change the government in kyiv so that this government agrees with this restoration of borders, a very simple operation, and to things to allow them to add something else there, what they wrote there in the instructions, well, that's it, as a result, yes, they just broke into a bloody war, but again, when you talk about the istanbul agreements, i can say a clear formula

of the istanbul agreement arrangements: russia wants, if not to conclude agreements, at least to publicize such agreements that... led to the destabilization of the situation in ukraine, that is, it is like a tool, a tool of destabilization, that is, there can be various tools of destabilization, it is possible to propose some agreements that will allow ukrainian society to shout: the president is a traitor, let's get together, we can't stand it anymore, zelensky surrenders ukraine, they will sometimes wake up these narratives, this is one tool, another tool, well, the murder of iryna farion here in lviv is a tool. a tool, one way or another, we don't even say how it happened, but they, when they saw it, they started using it as a tool to push different sections of society together, it doesn't work for them, but they think so because they always thought so, in order to understand this, it is worth looking not at the ukrainian russian war, at the chechen one, the opposition that they bought

in order to destabilize the situation in chechnya, uh, uh, the assassination of dzhokhar dudayev, the khasavirt agreements and again even after these agreements work on the destabilization and disunity of chechen society, but they did not go to khasavir until now, well, during the russian-ukrainian war, that is, to such agreements that would allow them to regroup, prepare for some new phase, or else they did not go, but we didn't go either, we didn't go, we didn't go for other reasons, that is, we are aware of the fact that for what they would need someone there, i don't know... the president of the united states and the prime minister were not behind -minister of great britain, they were from an international point of view rights, a republic within the russian federation, sympathized with them as people experiencing repression and terror from the central government, but the west behaved completely differently,

imagine that in this situation the west would start supplying real weapons to chechnya. the north caucasus in that situation, even after the second time of the second chechen war, would have been independent states a long time ago, why did putin now rely on the caucasus, why did he not go to belgorod region, yes, why is he making such completely strange circles, converting, why i'm talking about putin now, because now, in the current phase , a lot depends on this madman, the key period will be, we will shape it. i can, yes, i can answer why, because he is a lieutenant colonel of the kgb, and you are not a lieutenant colonel of the kgb, you cannot understand him, how a lieutenant colonel of the kgb acts in such a situation, he needs his population to have an image of stability. he conducts a counter-terrorist operation on the territory of the kursk, belohorod and bryansk regions, and immediately throws over the bridge to a counter-terrorist

operation in the north caucasus, and do you remember dear compatriots, how terrible it was in the north caucasus, hundreds of children were killed, terrorists were everywhere, there was a war organized by the west against us there, there was destabilization of russia, but we announced a counter-terrorist operation, and now. putin is going along putin avenue to the putin institute to talk to the volunteers who will take part in this counter-terrorist operation. how wonderful, this is such a ring of saoron, he circles the situation so that people have hope, well , if he decided there, then he will decide here too, nothing, did some terrorists invade russian land again, it was already, well... a counter-terrorist operation, we don't pay attention to it, putin will figure it out. it is very important, you, you reminded about certain differences, yes, the west's attitude to chechen independence and

to support of ukraine. we understand that the west such an impression has now gone, for a much greater increase in rates, when we talk about a qualitative change in supply, that is, aviation - it is in any number, whether it is one or two squadrons, but... this is already a change in attitude , and we also understand that it is not just about flying weapons, not about the situation in the sky, not about strengthening, about red lines and about a hint of putin's ass, you know, it is like that , it was passed in a piece, saying, but we can increase the number aviation, and he also did not have an answer whether he would read such things at all, that is, they understand that the west is now starting to prepare for its scenarios. and this applies not only to the russian-ukrainian war, but to the future, for example, the future of russia, we, we do not see any figure that putin would raise

from his habbit retort to replace himself, right? and who am i apologizing to, brought up by yosionovich stalin, who, after all, was a larger-than-life personality than putin, right? lavrentiy pavlovich bevlovich beria he did not gather, he did not grow, well, but frankenstein grew up on his own. stalin did not feed his successors, he did not want to have successors, and what heir was brought up by yosyp brostita, a much more liberal figure than stalin, he died, and there was no one, ugh, and he was thrown out of the house and sat and put under house arrest , and whom the heirs will raise for themselves. he died and the head of the state, the head of state security of albania, ramizalia, he is not dead, they are not, these people, they do not think at all that they

will die, i think the best quote is the words of fidel castro, who once said at a rally, if i i will die if, these people think in such categories, not when, but if, well, then something can happen, but in principle they do not consider such a possibility. they do not consider the possibility of transfer of power, because they are dictators, and if it suddenly starts to consider such possibilities, people like sultan nezarbayev, that is how he considered the possibility of the transfer of power, now not everyone is laughing, well, accordingly, the attitude of the west and the preparation of the west for a larger, broader scenario, that is, when we are talking not just about the russian-ukrainian war, but in general, about the fate of the continent, yes, the fate of the continent is, for example, division, i am not saying that there is a mandatory sovereign. russian, yes, but some or other, i do not know, certain segments of the economy, certain influences and so on, that is, we understand that there is a so-called a big game, and we understand that when

sijin pin talks with president joseph biden, they talk not only about ukraine, because they are also interested in the world, at one time stephen king, very aptly and succinctly summed up the non-current moment, and in general about our global turbulences, the world has moved from its place, and now we ... see that a new order or disorder, or a new order, or a new system is sprouting, yes, and russia remains archaic, bloody, dangerous, malicious and so on, but archaic, that is, they sit with a button nokia and say, i for some reason i can't receive your video, but they say, well , we just send it to you from a censored phone, they, and they have a push-button nokia, do you know, there were still soviet phones like that where... you had to turn the dial in order to call someone , and putin raises the turntable, i can't, i can't accept your video, yes, because the special forces are our everything,

which yes, yes, there is still a very pro... formula: the west is always hoping for a healthy fool putin, that putin will understand some things, but he must understand that he will not be able to absorb everything ukraine, that he will not be able to oppose ukraine's accession, at least to the european union, that he will not be able to force the west to recognize russian territorial possessions in ukraine, on ukrainian territory, as an internationally recognized norm. it won’t happen, so what should you do if you understand that it won’t happen, calm down and agree on something, at least tactically, he doesn’t do it, he pretends all the time that he doesn’t notice it, well, he doesn’t notice, so it is necessary to go on, he goes on, well, what is left for the west to do, to move red lines, the west will do this all the time, it is always hoping that putin will come to his senses, well, he won't come to his senses here, maybe he will come to his senses here, maybe he won't come to his senses here...

of course, that is, putin, putin is waiting for the west to stop, and in there is also no way to stop the west, so there will be more planes in the future, sooner or later the decision will be made, as the president of the czech republic peter pavel spoke about, ukraine will be accepted into nato without the occupied territories. but what about, for example, the hot phase of the war and the situation on the line front, because we understand that the current situation, it does not foresee a freeze, that's what i 'm talking about, but... cold weather, for today, it does not foresee, but at some point it can predict, because there can be a definition, a definition of both sides , there may be a temporary ceasefire, which will be carried out by countries such as qatar, india and switzerland, for example, let's say, and then putin will say that he was deceived, he is being deceived all the time, he was deceived in minsk, then angela merkel with francois hollande, then his are deceiving the emir of qatar, they are also deceiving him, because putin

's deception is when things do not go the way he wants. you understand, but he agrees to it for certain reasons, because he is being pressured, and then he says: no, well, we agreed on something else, well, relatively speaking, putin's fantasy about the euro-atlantic community, which supposedly promised not to expand as much, yes, yes, everyone says that this is a lie, it didn't happen, but for him, you very correctly brought up this model of thinking, so he says, well, i was deceived, well, come on, huh no one agreed about it then. well, so, this is, again, this is pushkin, it is not difficult to deceive me, because i myself want to be deceived, this is the relationship between people in russia, it seems to me that this is an absolutely accurate formula, after all, there is no need to doubt in the fact that pushkin is not putin, pushkin knew russian psychology better than you and i, he is still the russian national poet, i don't remember such

a wording in world literature. when a man asks a woman to cheat on him because he wants to to be fooled, because he has no other way out, he needs to be fooled, to do some idiotic act, it would not be him, but her, because he is happy about it, he needs it, putin is that, he treats the west like pushkin's hero, to this woman in some high society salon, yes, but the key story is how we will be, as much as we can. that is, our intra-ukrainian concept of what is called, i don’t know, a modern national idea, it is already maturing, that is, it has been formulated and we are starting to go, yes we understand that relations will be quite difficult now, that is, tactical processes, there are practical processes, when we talk, for example, about the case of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, and it will not only be about this, but we see that it has gradually become a menstruum what used to be called

nationalism, i.e.... and now it's not just what is written in the legislation, it's already these people who profess such and such views, they sit, for example, in offices, far from all, perhaps, but sitting, they are generals, they sit in the headquarters of special services, they plan operations, and they are ready to fight further and defend those values, about which, even 10 years ago, someone could talk. so to speak, with caution, because it can, so to speak, split society or not be accepted by sociologists, and this is also a rather simple answer to this question, and ukrainian society and the state also have to endure red lines, hoping that russia shamanets, this also did not happen immediately, you know, we will spend.