of ukraine, starting from the 17th century. the history of our church is a vivid example here. uh, step by step, as soon as russia, the russian empire annexed new ukrainian lands, it began to destroy our church. and so the final destruction of our church in the then russian borders took place in 1839, and it is obvious that then russia tried to russify this territory, with the help of various symbols, even monuments, everything possible was used to confirm this , you know, such, well , just a murderous ideology, orthodoxy, autocracy, people. even then, the russian

imperial authorities saw the church as an instrument of enslavement. and i am very sorry to say this, as a person who represents the church. it was such, i would say, a shameless instrumentalization of the church in the name of imperial interests. and then, obviously, that church that even lost the right to have its own... archa, it turned into a department of the state machine. metropolitan andrey sheptytskyi called it cazsion orthodoxy. here there was obviously a minimum of spirituality and religion, and a maximum of loyal subjects, such a state control over the conscience of millions of people. for example, when it is an autocracy.

fell during the february revolution of the 17th year, i remember this statistic, when for the first time during the first world war russian soldiers at the front did not have the obligation to go to confession, until that time everyone had to go to confession and receive a certificate of benevolence from the father, ugh, and here for the first time there is no king. and there is no such obligation anymore. actually, then in the 17th year before easter in the russian army, only a couple of percent went to confession soldier. and this caused a huge collapse in the ability of this church to control the sublimations of people. and then everything faded, that is , with the speed of a snowball that simply washed away this church, then in... in the bolshevik revolution,

unfortunately, all those consequences were fully felt by ukrainians, in particular, when stalin revived the tool of manipulating the religious feelings of believers in the soviet union, reviving the russian orthodox church, actually concluding a cooperation agreement with it, raising it up, then it became a tool... not anymore of the tsarist, but communist regime, it was not surprising to us, i remember my childhood, seeing orthodox fathers with communist awards, and then the bishops of the russian orthodox church received state awards for closing churches, their own, well, we were then children of an underground persecuted church they looked at it, well , really with horror. and when ukraine became

independent, this independence began to demand certain changes. today, we all remember and know the term decommunization, right? he started spontaneously in western ukraine occur. that fall of lenin took place back in the 90s. here, but unfortunately, the central-eastern, southern ukraine still lived according to... rhythms, and that's when the whole neo-colonial face of the russian government and the face of the moscow patriarchate appeared in ukraine, then the ukrainian people made a demand for decommunization, even of moscow orthodoxy on the territory

country i don't want to go further into the analysis of these processes, because i can be accused of meddling in internal orthodox events, but these are more political events. a citizen of ukraine at a certain moment said to himself: "well, it's enough to fool us as much as you can." and it is obvious that today the ukrainian state feels its duty, in particular in the conditions of a full-scale invasion, to take care of state security. even when it comes to threats to state security, which, then, uh, come from... the bosom of moscow orthodox followers in ukraine, so i think we should all be honest, honest before our own conscience, before the lord god and before the ukrainian people. like us really if we seek god and want to live a spiritual

life, then this will be the road to liberation, to freedom, even to the decommunization of the church, even to those new demands that today's ukrainian believers make of their spiritual leaders, i can say this not only about orthodox believers churches, but also about the believers of our church, protestants and other churches, that is, we want to be a free people, and her church, as an environment of liberation here, must fulfill its... mission in new historical circumstances, you know, i remember these two moments that i witnessed in 90 there, in my opinion, it was the first year or something, somewhere at the very beginning of independence, alexey came to the second, in my opinion, and then he was the head of the russian church, and he was also on the black

volga , and people shouted out of the moscow priest, that's one thing, by the way, from the slogans of the period of independence, get out of masol kravchuk, that was one thing, because then, for example, i went to all these rallies to... the verkhovna rada, but away from the moscow priest was, and he was riding such a black volga, and people were chasing him the center of kyiv, and they couldn't escape, there was such a cavalcade of these cars, and they you, that is, people chased the moscow opup, it was the beginning of the 90s, and then i remember 2000, god knows what year, when yanukovych was the president, when kirill arrived, he was there, and this is such a golden mass procession in the center of kyiv, the moscow priest himself, during this time the moscow church managed to plant and... impose itself so much that from the time when it was chased, they transformed then to the church, which went from volodymyrivska hill, there ahead cyril and all that, and no one could do anything, they seemed to reign here, but you see, now we are reaching the time when they are actually ending their history in

ukraine, the most important thing here is that i would like your advice, i understand that this may not be your flock now, perhaps it will be your flock for people who do not understand much, perhaps in politics in the state. security is in danger from this church, well, i say it's ukrainian, but we don't know there with moscow, they are not with moscow, so how can you briefly and simply explain to people why the moscow word is not for you do you need you see, i think that our ukrainian citizens should feel responsible for their church. and for what you hear, probably also, and why you believe. if you feel responsible for your church, then that church can change. i can proudly say about the active laymen

of the ukrainian greek catholic church. and we are glad that we, as a church, are changing, we are growing, we are looking for new ways, new ones. forms, how to be a church, how to serve god and people, in the latest circumstances, we rejoice, having wise, active, conscious, responsible lay people in our church, on whom you can rely, and today the ukrainian greek catholic church is not some cold hierarchical structure, it is a living network. a community that today covers many countries of the world with that network of presence. here. we would very much like to share our experience of church life, even with our

orthodox brothers. don't be afraid, don't be afraid to be active. your fathers cannot be yours. slave owners, do not be slavish in front of spiritual officials, be able to be open, free, only then you will be able to... change that church, children, which you consider yourself to be. i think that lay people, ordinary orthodox believers, can be a catalyst for change in some churches today. unfortunately, it so happened that russia tried to undermine those post-soviet countries with the help of corruption. the same was true in ukraine, they believed that political corruption, financing

of various pro-russian political organizations and movements, which were engaged in the restoration of various historical so -called events, was soft power, such a soft power with which they wanted to colonize anew in including ukraine, and here we saw that er... it means that the moscow patriarchate very actively began to feel like a component of this entire er corrupt system. we see that there has been a merger of corrupt secular power and church power in russia. this symphony, it acquired such, well, finally, i would say, uh, hideous forms, a fusion of a throne and a throne. it led to the final loss of the moral authority of the same church,

even in russian society, and it was projected as a model of state-church relations for ukraine. it was about her moscow orthodoxy as a state church, and we saw how moscow politicians behaved and behave today in relation to... this type of church existence, in particular also and in ukraine, and here all those triumphal patronages, you know about which you, whom you mention, and it has already begun to make everyone feel uneasy, i would like us to remember one such delicate reality today, today a huge number of faithful of the moscow patriarchate feel betrayed by their... church. i talk to many of them. they feel that the one who

should have been their father, became their enemy. the one who was supposed to take care of them finally betrayed them. this does not mean that those betrayed, wounded people will immediately look for another denomination, go to one or another church. i now have the feeling that many of those wounded, aching hearts, they will leave the church altogether, and ukraine may face a very powerful wave of secularization, that is , a new kind of godlessness and atheism, exactly as happened in tsarist russia after, after, so the overthrow of the royal throne, and with it ... power or power over people

russian orthodox church, i would like you to clarify for our viewers the issue of the behavior, well here to a lesser extent the behavior of the statements, actions of the head of the vatican, the head of the roman catholic church and the person who sits on the throne, because not all people understand why here it seems to be for peace, here is somehow not such an unequivocal statement regarding the condemnation of the actions of russia, or again the same moscow church, here is some kind of attempt to unite a certain ukrainian and a russian woman or something else, to make such a flashmob, which seemed to give some ideas about reconciliation, and people think, is he for us or for whom, or how to explain it, well, as they say, it's just... to explain why, what is the difficulty today, perhaps, the role played by the pope

, francis, and, eh, maybe those things that we don't see, but he also does, and they are very important in the humanitarian sphere and are important. well, all the complexity, perhaps, today of the role and mission of the most holy father of the pope of rome, as the universal bishop. how to be a preacher of peace in a time when the third world war is starting in particles, these are his words. that is, how today, say, to be the which should serve to reconcile nations when nations begin to fight among themselves. this is the complexity, perhaps a certain tension between the local and the universal. it is obvious that we feel that here in ukraine, many problems

of the whole world look different. today, we understand that reconciliation between the aggressor and the victim is possible only when the aggressor stops, when the world community condemns him, when the aggressor is forced to compensate for the harm caused only. then there can be a dialogue, a dialogue that, let's say, someday, i hope, he culminates in what we call the healing of wounds, and therefore, reconciliation, that is why these are all very difficult questions, er, but let's let the pope be the pope, and we ukrainians,

let's be ukrainians, i think that everyone will understand everything and including us. when we really win in the battle that we are waging, because maybe this is our so-so mission, to unmask that devil who attacks us today, to unmask that moscow, which today is no longer a carrier of high culture, but a carrier, of the latest genocidal ideology, because, unfortunately, today. nor does the world have the same danger in which he was, let 's say, before the beginning of the second world war, let's remember that time in europe everyone wanted to prevent the escalation of the world conflict,

remember chamberlain, who was so happy with that piece of paper, so they say, they satisfied the aggressor. they gave him a part of some country there and now he has already satisfied his appetites, then the average european associated the word germany with high culture, philosophy, music, and the nazis were in power, and then at the end of the second world war, everyone asked themselves with horror , as it is so it became possible that such a civilized... cultured people committed the crimes of auschwitz and committed genocide against an entire nation, which we call the holocaust today, which is exactly what is being done against russia today. russia, in particular, after

the collapse of the soviet union, invested huge amounts of money in order to spread silt. of its high culture, today, when someone is looking for an expert on russia, he will always come across an adept who was brought up on the illusion of the greatness of russian culture, and therefore always, when they hear about russia today, they will first of all boil down to the categories of their own illusory thinking. asking myself what is really happening in russia, in russia today there really is, i would say such a neo-colonial genocidal regime, which has nothing in common with the examples of high russian culture from dostoevsky or other so-called classics of russian culture, according to this culture right now no,

eh, and this is a certain shock that he may be experiencing today. e west, all those who consider themselves experts, and this is our possibly historical role, it is to expose everything, to warn the world, to close it to this huge danger, so i hope we will fulfill our role, we will win, and then everyone will understand us, i am convinced that the lord god today ee... is always on the side of the one who is a victim of unjust aggression, that the lord god is next to us, next to us, you said that god... is next to us, so i would like to answer this question specifically, definitely and to complete, because many people ask today, where is god and why from it is us, but jesus was asked whether his parents

sinned, or he, why is he blind, and now people will ask, so who sinned, articles are written, intelligent people write, explaining why we deserved this war in quotation marks, and they say, so what, who, who sinned, i would like you to say your word, here it is important for people to understand where... god, if i don't see him, i don't feel him, all this is happening, and why should we do this? well, until the end of this question, we will answer, maybe at the end of the story, when the whole process takes place, then we will see everything in integrity, but now it is christians who have the key to interpret this reality, why? because we believe in a suffering god. not that god who is somewhere far away, somewhere in the sky, the real god, sometimes i caught myself thinking, you know, seeing those wounds, i

say to myself, jesus, it is you, i see you in this person, and indeed, today christ suffers in the body of the suffering ukrainian people, therefore those... pains and sufferings of our savior in the body of a suffering ukrainian motivate christians to acts of mercy, they call us not just to honor human suffering, but to protect human life, that is, this is some kind of, i would say, truly religious motive of all our social service. all that we do to protect, save human life in the name of god, this is not some kind of usual, i would

say, philanthropy, but it is truly deakonia, that is, service, service to god through service to a needy person, and this is the experience is not only my personal, but the whole of our church. churches, you know, no one ever asked, in our communities, in our parishes, which one you belong to do you go to church, what language do you speak, when we saw a needy person, a wounded person, a refugee, a person who needs to be helped, warmed, or maybe even advised, how to proceed further in life, in life , that's it there is a secret to resilience. i am convinced that this is not an abstract, but a very concrete presence of god among us, in particular,

because of his suffering in the wounds of ukraine, this is a very, very deep, i would say, foundation for the proclamation of christ, his gospel of christ today in ukraine, precisely therefore we say god is with us. god is always there to the one who suffers. there is such an early christian sermon from the second century, something from the persecuted church, which said that christ is being killed in everyone who will be killed until the end of the world. christ was present in joseph, whom he sold into egypt. christ was present in abel, whom he killed. cain in the old testament, and today he is present in every person who is in need, weak, that is why we read in

the gospel from matthew about a terrible judgment, says christ, what you did to one of the least of these, you did it to me , so we christians, we know where god is present, we see him. and we want to serve the lord god and our long-suffering but heroic people. we thank you, bishop svyatoslav was with us, the head of the ukrainian greek catholic church, and i also congratulate you on the independence day of ukraine and your entire christian community. well, i ask you to stay with the espresso tv channel. it will be interesting later. tired of a mess in the kitchen, constantly having to sort through a bunch of pans to find the right one, you need a

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