for me it is so, the first level is the declaration of politicians, not enough. the second level, the revolution, the enormous efforts, de facto, of the three next generations, who are teaching each other how to fight for independence and there is not much left, because this is not the end. then the russian invasion and war begins. it all seems to me to be a single process, a process in which ukrainian.

the blood must eventually stop spilling, the question is what next and whether we will celebrate the 34th anniversary of independence in a free european ukraine, under a peaceful sky. yes, yes, for the same reason, yes, yes, i think today we can venture to imagine such a scenario, when it comes to the scenario, i always specify, it is a scenario, it is an unfinished detailed plan, we do not know what will happen in the future, but today...

we will return to this topic in a moment. you know, i remember what my last peaceful day of independence was like. then, in 21, we stood on the european square in kyiv together with my colleague bianka zelevska, a polish correspondent of tvn discovery and made a live report from the military parade in kyiv. we made a live report from the parade of voyannego v kiev i told the audience in poland about how ukraine won its freedom. she was talking about the maidan. about all the revolutions, about the times of the hetmanship and how we value our independence to you, how important it is for us, and eh, by the way, i also told you about it in we also talked about it with you at the conferences dedicated to the three ukrainian revolutions in poland, at natolin university. for years, you organized these discussions with the participation of ukrainian and european leaders, scientists, military personnel, journalists, politicians, where experts presented their vision is...

a pessimistic vision, many people, especially in ukraine, say that everything was in vain, everything never turns out 100%, but there would be no such ukrainian society, which today is a subject. if it were not for these revolutions, if it were not for this sequence of events, when i am asked, and i often talk about this with western politicians, and they ask, and what did it give, what were the results, in berlin, in washington, for example, about the

peace negotiations, such were the results that today there is a ukrainian society, and neither in paris nor neither in berlin nor in washington can a decision be made about peace negotiations that the ukrainians would not accept. today, ukrainians are a completely subjective nation that is in the process of transformation, for which many difficult moments await after the war, but ukrainians are super-subjective, no one is able to decide the fate of ukraine for you, and this is a real achievement. i remember the emotions of the times of the revolution of dignity, you and i knew each other well then, these are unforgettable evenings spent on the maidan with mykola knyazhytskyi, and with petro poroshenko, with other ukrainian politicians and friends. i remember how people were moved, how they promised themselves that the world would be different after the revolution, that polish-ukrainian relations would be the best in the world. everything happened in the same way with us, people on the shipyard during solidarity also promised themselves and imagined that everything would be different. it is clear that

it is impossible to make changes 100% as one would like. in the case of ukraine, the effect will not be 100% either, but the process is clearly beneficial. the process is unambiguous for ukraine. well, the captain's complexion. for ukraine the capital that is formed as a result of the russian-ukrainian war is, paradoxically, huge, primarily it is de-russification, de-occupation, mental, cultural, church, etc., how not to lose all this capital after the victory? ukraine by habit. from my point of view, already thinking about what ukraine will be like after the victory, from my point of view, the key is... to strengthen the middle class in ukraine to overcome the problems that central europe also has, it is a weak middle class, let people earn , so as not to fall again trapped when only the richest earn.

many people in the west are now beginning to understand that it is necessary to think positively about the development of the middle class and to use the power that exists in people. there is a lot of strength in people in ukraine right now and it is needed. on economic development, it is also necessary to create development opportunities for veterans, i think that one of the most important problems for ukraine in the future will be veterans and everything related to this, medical care for veterans, psychological support, as well as opening for them new opportunities. and i talk a lot with people who have returned from the front, because i want to understand how they think and what they need. i also want to understand how poland can help. it strikes me that often, and i guess it's always the case after a war, people don't know what to do with themselves, start a car service, or go into politics, or go

abroad and work in a pub, in london, i think that's a real challenge. i see changes in ukraine through the middle class, through education, through... the creativity of the youth, the process of european integration is undeniable will serve this purpose, it supposedly sounds general, but in fact it is about the fact that everyone should preserve his subjectivity, which now forces him to protest, post on social networks, demand support from the authorities, or local government, protest somewhere in the usa, great britain, france and demand military support, then the key moment will come to turn it into something constructive, and in addition, the process that is being prepared, the reconstruction of ukraine, which... i am engaged in the integration with the eu - it will be great, these will be mechanisms that will work . that mechanisms that are involved. four days before independence day, the verkhovna rada of ukraine, on the eve of the independence day

of ukraine, passed a historic decision to ban the activities of the russian orthodox church in ukraine. what do you think about this decision and its importance for the development of the country? the russian church has actually become an element of silent propaganda influence on ukrainian society. these are not only public sermons or official documents, often they are simply whispered information, glossing, disagreement with by the actions of the ukrainian state, disagreement with the actions

of the ukrainian churches, which are patriotic and stand on the principles of human rights, i mean the orthodox church of ukraine headed by metropolitan epefaniy, as well as the greek catholic and... the functioning of the church in the modern state, tradition, which goes back to ancient times. if the state exists and has recognized borders, it naturally has the right to demand adaptation of church institutions to the form of the state, their respect for the borders of this country. that is why it was so important to recognize the independence of the orthodox church of ukraine. today we see the importance of the volume: ukraine has its own orthodox, separate church. note that...

and this is the essence of the matter, which concerns the politics and political involvement of the moscow church. i'm not talking about other things, for example, official declarations of support for putin, direct involvement, declaration of a kind of holy war. infiltration of the church by agents of the russian special services. this has been confirmed in a hundred ways since soviet times, but one of the... simplest arguments is the principle of the functioning of christian churches, i have the right to that, frog

within its framework, a new structural one arose. a state is formed, it has the right to claim the creation of a separate church structure within its borders. in 1991, ukraine declared its independence. the ukrainian state began with the declaration of independence in 1991. ukraine declared its independence. there is already a separate structure of the catholic church for ukraine. was ready, of course, at that time most of the priests and bishops had connections with poland, because it mainly concerned western ukraine, but it was clear to john paul ii that a separate ukraine should have a separate church structure, roman catholic. this is the case in every serious , self-respecting christian church. in the case of the greek catholic church, it is obvious, and thanks to the involvement of ukrainian politicians, the ex-president, but first of all the patriarch.

decided on the official recognition of the ocu, which, let's recall, received tomos from the patriarch of constantinople, the head of all orthodox churches in the world. how and when will this change and ocu will be recognized in poland. in poland , there are problems with the church because the polish orthodox church has had for 100 years that ukrainians received only a few years ago after... the creation of the polish state, it was clear that the orthodox church should also be autonomous and should respect the borders

of poland, this is the alphabet of the functioning of churches in the conditions of the modern world. abc is operated by koshchov. in fact, the head of the orthodox church in poland is an elderly man, his history goes back to the times of communism. he has not yet decided to fully recognize the canonicality and conformity of the ocu to church law. this does not change the fact that this church. fully recognized because others have done it church, and that is enough. i just wanted to clarify the situation with the polish orthodox church. most representatives of polish orthodoxy are clearly patriotic, active citizens who are proud of their autocephaly. some things are simply political decisions, groups of people in leadership positions. you put

me in an awkward position, because i actually want to congratulate the autocephalous church, i am glad that the polish orthodox church is independent, despite the fact that on the other hand on the other hand, i negatively evaluate the policy of this bishop, but his situation is special, because it is simply the policy of today's group of orthodox bishops in a row with archbishop sava, with which i do not agree, but i am glad that poland has had a separate for 100 years. into the orthodox church, and it is also part of our independence that for 100 years our orthodox church has not obeyed any cyril or other cagibist in a cassock or any other.

"i love podlaskie, where there are the most polish orthodox christians, i never doubt that they are poles, belarusians or ukrainians of the orthodox narrative, but part of our community, so it is even more unfortunate that the authorities of this church, which itself is independent, were not in the vanguard of recognizing the autocephaly of the ukrainian church, i would have expected that they should have been one of the first to do it. this is

an internationally recognized state, christian churches."

the situation in the kursk region is also related to the situation in the kremlin, because it once again demonstrates putin's weakness. the armed forces of ukraine already control almost 1,500 km of territory and almost 100 settlements in the kursk region of russia. how let's do this unsteady, as if we are blurring out into a cloud, kurshchizna. we see how putin isolates kurshchyna informationally and tries to ignore the problem, as if these territories suddenly became invisible. institute.

it's risky, i'm involved, i'm constantly informed about what's happening at the front. i understand that the ukrainian authorities were forced to take some extraordinary step. dan free is brilliant about this in his comments, that many wars have been ended because someone decided, and this was also in american history on the unexpected

a non-standard raid that violates a certain logic of war in an unexpected way. ukrainians are not allowed to do this, they are not allowed to do that, they are not allowed to shoot, to go too far, and they break out of the pattern, and it shows that ukrainians are breaking out of that pattern, they are not free to do that, there is something, someone is constantly telling them what they cannot do , and they suddenly do it and say, you see, it is possible. you understood me correctly, i personally believe that situations of uncertainty are also dangerous, i do not want it to sound frivolous, putin, due to his madness, can

to do stupid things, but today we clearly see that he does not know how to act, and it is obvious that some part of his environment closed their eyes, somewhere ignored something, and some new dynamic appeared, for me it is beyond debate whether it will always feel something exceptionally good, from a tactical point of view. no, because there are various threats in the transition period, but strategically it definitely weakens putin. bloomberg writes that ukraine's partners still haven't supplied us with the five previously promised air defense systems, which are so important on the eve of winter. should we expect that europe, the usa and allies will give ukraine not only what they promised, but also everything that is needed for our victory. there is not everything, because everything is always not enough, i can talk about what we are doing, because the polish government is extremely involved, if we talk about the supply, the readiness to provide energy in case of need, then

international funds have been collected for this, and there is money to it will be paid for with what it will be paid for, we can produce it, we can do it, we can produce it, we can deliver it to ukraine, if necessary, and close these needs, i don't want to go into details, we coordinate it, but we... the possibility of using western weapons on targets in russia. some countries gradually began

to agree. looks like denmark recently agreed, doesn't it? so, bit by bit, and i always say it here on this program, and i'll say it again. after all, today i admire, for example, your consistency in the fact that you can ask the same question again and again, three times. and this is also part of the war that ukraine is waging. she is ready to talk. i am sure that this process has been going on for the last three years but if we look at the process, i am firmly super useful for ukraine as a whole. let's go back, imagine that this is the 21st year, you are standing on the maidan, you are celebrating the last national holiday in free ukraine, before the war, before the war, such times are almost mythical today. there are no these people who died, there are no mars fields, all this, cemeteries, there is a big parade and dads hold little boys in their arms, and older children

climb on lanterns to see the holiday better. yes, but if someone told you, then so what the russians will attack, so that you then say that you will probably have to wait for help for a long time, because then no one expected that there would be such a large amount of support. therefore, i want to say that there is something good in this misfortune. the west supported ukraine and it is our duty to say that it is possible, and that is possible, and that. ukraine is where it is today because people, its citizens, are super active. for me , these revolutions seem to continue in these people, you are in poland, some are in the usa, some are in canada, everywhere. less than a year ago, i was in south africa, which generally has such a policy about ukraine, but there i also saw houses with ukrainian flags, and ukrainians live there, or people who support

ukraine. this is the result of tremendous synergy and mobilization. so you mentioned it, and i would not forget to congratulate her. i wish ukraine that this mobilization continues, because the greatest legacy of this time, these 30 years of free ukraine, these political declarations, revolutions. of spilled blood is this great synergy and mobilization of ukrainians all over the world, which manifests itself during the war, because everywhere in the world there is someone who, like you, says but i still ask to deliver these five air defense systems to us. it is important that both europe and the world mobilize in parallel to protect common values. pavel koval, maria gurska. stay tuned for our program next sunday. thank you very much.

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the totalitarian, under the totalitarian.