about the goals of our and your biggest ally, that is, the united states, those goals are twofold: first, how to help ukraine as soon as possible so that it wins the war with russia, and here i will emphasize once again: the whole world, the whole western world, civilized a world full of great respect and honor for the ukrainian military and the ukrainian people, but the second goal of the americans is to not directly involve america or the north atlantic alliance in the war. with russia, as long as possible, we have numerous provocations, little is said about it, but there are the provocations are connected with the plans of ukrainians hired by the russian special services, who are also in poland, also ukrainians, citizens of ukraine, unfortunately, but also belarusians. who live in

poland, so that, for example, it is known, and i can talk about it, to cause fires at the bases of polish or american troops on the territory of poland. there are approximately 15,000 american troops in poland. our services , together with the american services and other nato countries, are responding to this, but at the moment the red line is that we are responding to level so as not to escalate nato's conflict with russia. meanwhile, there is no doubt for poland.

if poland joined the defense of the ukrainian sky, we would be able to send some power to the east, for example, for the defense of kyiv or kharkiv or zaporizhzhia or other cities. we understand that air defense systems are expensive, and they are always in short supply, especially when it comes to war with the russians. how do you see the possibilities to solve this? this is understandable, but probably not for many of our viewers. ukraine, especially after the last three or four months of the expulsion of patriots from from different european countries, from greece, from spain, from germany, has many more patriots than poland. and we certainly don't have enough of those patriot batteries to protect poland, so sending them from poland to ukraine sooner is not possible. instead, cooperation on the rapid detection of such missile threats from russia is the most possible. having said this now,

i believe that the goal of this war and the goal that ukraine must achieve, and that poland sets for itself at the end of the war, is the full membership of ukraine with full rights in nato and the eu. then obviously, after a certain armistice or peace with russia, there should no longer be any restrictions, and the difference between the security of ukraine and the north atlantic union, in particular poland, this should be a clear goal of this war. but we must persevere, live to that moment, to membership. yes, there is poland. yes, for that , poland is the force in the talks in the north atlantic alliance, which, for example, this spring, after that difficult winter, when you lacked shells to shoot down russian missiles, not only the patriot, but also others, was the force that the internal allies conversations said that we should give ukraine... everything

possible, but understand that we cannot give everything we have now, because potentially across the border from kaliningrad, we have, unfortunately, a missile danger for warsaw and gdansk, for other cities of north-eastern poland, we cannot give everything to you now, but what we can, we give everything. it's about aviation, for example, like mr. oh, and about aviation, do you think there's going to be any progress in terms of the number of f-16s? we... understand that the most important decision has already been made, but it is still important also another issue, their quantity, not just quality. i will only say that what you have received so far is only a small amount of what you will receive. yes, and now we will have a short break, after which i will continue our conversation with marcin bosatsky, deputy of the polish diet, head of the polish-ukrainian parliamentary group. greetings, this is svoboda

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i would like to talk about the so-called difficult issues of polish-ukrainian relations, at one time there was a rather strange conversation, we do not know its details, but it is about president duda and president zelensky, there was a kind of aggravation and cooling, it was so

sharp, it was strange for me the statement of our president, it is about the un, and then we had a cooling of relations, but now according to mine feelings managed to connect or new topics, or to thaw. previous ones, in general, i am not sure that the russian-ukrainian war is a good time to complicate relations between poland and ukraine, but sometimes this happens. you and we must realize that only one power - russia - will win out of all the cooling of polish-ukrainian relations, or aggravation. mostly, i know this, the russians through their agency, through propaganda. they are working very hard on it, and for sure, maybe there was a real difference of interests, and indeed polish farmers suffered from the fact that too much ukrainian grain, which was supposed to be exported further, remained in poland, there is also the responsibility and fault of the previous polish

government, which did not control it, but in the whole adventure of blocking the border last winter , the hands of the russians were involved, i am in this assured. fortunately, it was resolved, as you know, there have been no blockades for six months. i have great hope that the positive attitude of poles towards ukrainians and ukrainians towards poles, built over the past years, we, politicians, journalists, we will strengthen the environment of opinion leaders in the coming months and years, because strategically, if we are talking about the most important interests of the security of poland and ukraine, that is, poland and ukraine are closer. at present, our strategic interests of countries, rather than our two peoples, are the same. i completely agree with you and the most important time when we managed

to defeat the russians was during, say, the polish-lithuanian-ukrainian combination, which was called the commonwealth, translated as the republic. and the unification of polish-lithuanian-ukrainian forces at that time still exists. scares russia obviously, they would like to play on some kind of division to introduce discord between our countries. and on the other hand, you used the word allies. 100 years ago , petliura and pilsutski managed to do a miracle near kyiv and in kyiv, i.e. defeat the bolsheviks. but unfortunately, it didn't work out later. and we understand that in those days the polish nationalism, national democracy, actively fought against pilsudski. polish nationalists who saw a different development concept. and there may be some repetition, of course, i would not like it, but you used it the word allies, so how far can that alliance go, the polish-ukrainian military alliance, since the defense treaty is on the table, or the security treaty, it is signed by

the polish government, instead, all long-term international agreements require peace, efforts must be focused on ... and actually defeated russia in this war. in fact, the level of interest that ukraine has gained over the past 2.5 years is colossal. you received support not only in poland, but also in europe as a whole and in the united states, not to mention canada, where there is powerful ukrainian diaspora. indeed, in that war you won millions of allies who want to help you with all their hearts. this is a new situation, unfortunately, until 2014, even partially until 2022, the majority of german, french, and italian citizens believed that ukraine was such an uncertain country, and it has passed, it is no longer there, and if it is, somewhere on the margins of the discussion in europe or

the united states, there is a clear understanding that ukraine is part of the west and that the west is in its own interests, not only moral, but also strategic, has the duty to help ukraine win this war with russian imperialism, you know, when we, poles, baltics, romanians, czechs, warned against russian imperialism 15, or even 10-6 years ago, the western elites looked at us , as for russophobes, no one thinks like that anymore, everyone knows that, unfortunately, imperialism is a part of the state and national russian thinking, it has never been otherwise, indeed, russia had two very brief moments when it flirted with democracy, in the 17- kerensky for a couple of months this year and again in the 90s maybe two or three years of early yeltsin, and that's the end. russia, unfortunately, and also part of the democratic opposition of russia, identifies

itself with imperial ideas. it will be very difficult to cure russia from that, and the entire west must jointly oppose it. it will be very difficult to heal from this rosję, and przeciwstawyj się temu musi zachód zachód together. i agree. i agree, but 100 years ago, for example, pilsudski's decision was influenced by the news that russia... the bolsheviks were preparing for aggression against warsaw in order to go on to berlin, and something similar we have here, but of course there is probably a difference related to nuclear weapons and so on, and the west is not what it used to be, which means that no one wants war in the west on purpose, but sometimes you have to give armed respond. so i'll tell you again, i see a huge, not enough, but huge change for

the better, not for the worse, really. the response to the 14th year for crimea and donbas was also positive, but at a minimal level. the answer as of the 22nd year is already very serious indeed. let's be honest, ukraine is military equipment, as well as financial aid, received roughly more than 200 million euros or dollars. there are countries that really gave. much of its armament to you, like poland. clear declarations that you will be a member of nato, i sincerely admit, were impossible a couple of years ago, there would be our friends from the west who would say that they are against such a decision. i understand this ukrainian impatience and for the most part agree with it, but i have a dialogue with politicians from the west, from germany, from france, from great britain, from the usa, for more than 20 years in a row, and i tell you, lately sub in thoughts about russia, about'. about the security of europe, particularly the north-east, is fundamental, and it is thanks to you.

unfortunately, i do not know whether there is a danger that this will change in the future. in my opinion, unfortunately, part of the entourage of the former president and candidate now trump in the american elections is such a danger, but the main direction is to see russia as it is, and not idealistic ideas that russia is in the process of transformation to democracy. powerful, if even the germans... traditionally, for various reasons, also historical people have a rather naive way of thinking about russia, even the germans have changed their position a lot, and this is to your advantage, and to our advantage. i have not yet answered your question about our nationalists, nationalists are everywhere. you have nationalists, we have nationalists. now there is no danger in poland that nationalists will shake the good polish-ukrainian relations. but you need to be attentive and careful, keep this in mind.

if something annoys the inhabitants of warsaw, wroclaw or poznań, it is guests in luxury cars who speak russian and have life succeeded and those who drive lamborghinis or royals royces with ukrainian license plates, you know what is the saying in poland, when in the history of poland, or perhaps europe, there was the largest convention of luxury cars, how there was some

kind of battle of usyk, how there was some boxing fight of usyk in the stadium in wroclaw. and then a couple of thousand luxury cars with ukrainian license plates arrived. these are not simple matters, but we must solve them based on mutual understanding and interests, because as i said, the strategic interests of poland and ukraine are practically the same. strategic interest takie same you said we should build. i completely agree with you here, but in order to build something, we need a tool, that is, mechanisms of cooperation between governments, we understand that there is such a public part, but there is also a practical part, we understand that there must be groups that will deal with implementation what was promised by the presidents of their time, president duda and president zelenskyi, they directly said that, for example, cooperation outside the borders would be facilitated, or maybe there would be no such borders at all, ukraine is now, all the more moving towards

of the european union, but this is, let's say, a public sphere and everything here sounds good, but when we... come to a concrete, practical implementation, there should also be good communication. we now have a very good agency in poland under the leadership of pavlo koval, a well-known polish figure who understands polish-ukrainian issues. i don't know if there is any symmetrical structure on the ukrainian side, but there should be many more such agencies on the polish and ukrainian sides. these are different questions. questions in historical cases, in medical cases, v educational affairs and many others. i will not list everything right now, so what should be done, my group, or the polish-ukrainian parliamentary group, it is working, so it should be done more, my polish-ukrainian parliamentary group is trying to do it, my visit to lviv and kyiv for the week

is also dedicated to this, we together with the presidium of our group were in kyiv four months ago, a month. therefore, there was a presidium with mykola kniazhytsky headed by artem kovalev in gdańsk. i will tell you this, for example, there is an economic meeting here in lviv of the ministries of economy of poland and ukraine in march. our closest cooperation will be on energy to help you survive the difficult coming winter. the energy bridge, which until now mainly operated from the as in khmelnytskyi to poland, will, if necessary, be a return bridge, i.e. poland will export. you energy to ukraine, if you lack it this winter, so that your cities, your communities are not left without electricity and heat during the difficult time of winter. we know your critical infrastructure is the object of russian attacks and we want to help, but you are right, we need to speed up and increase the number of conversations on other fields, on the historical field as well,

although it is not easy. for example, youth contact. poland has huge exchange programs, mostly with the germans, but also with france. similar youth exchanges are needed despite the ongoing war, i believe, with ukraine. in order to get to know each other better, so that stereotypes go into the past, so that ordinary interpersonal friendships between young people are born. i urge to this and the ministry of education and science in ukraine. it all has to happen now. there is nothing to wait for, and one more thing. this is the end of my answer. there is a large european resource that can be used for cooperation in various fields, including self-government. your authorities, cities or regions with our cities, communes, voivodeships, we can really

use european means to expand polish-ukrainian relations. historical issues remain unresolved until now, difficult issues, the case of exhumation of the victims of the volyn tragedy. we understand that it must be done, and i am surprised that the ukrainian side has not done it yet. this is strange to me, because there are dead people lying in volyn on ukrainian soil. it is obvious that the ukrainian side should have organized the exhumation. and put the bodies of those people in coffins in the normal way. we understand that during the war it is probably more difficult to organize, but there is also poland, which wants it, and maybe, apart from the technical issues, it can be... a little cynically technical when we talk about burying people, but there must be something to find out in the historical plane as well, this means, i know very well many ukrainian

historians, polish historians, not all of them, but we understand that there is volodymyr vyatrovych, and also hozhmotyka, there is some kind of discussion between them, but in addition to these historians, there are also western historians, timothy snyder, for example, or norman davis, and not only, these are people with authority. yes, who can evaluate those arguments, see and so on. perhaps we should create some kind of joint structure in order to most importantly, of course, pay tribute to the people who lie there but on the other hand, we understand that this is also a political matter. both the ukrainian verkhovna rada and the polish sejm already have many different resolutions, laws, and so on behind them. in words, the ukrainian and polish parliamentarians were very productive. i don't know if it worked. it's kind of, well, you know that communication problems are an important thing, especially in matters of legislation. two points of attention:

firstly, sir, two points: firstly, you are right that it is necessary to start structurally at the level of historical authorities, to establish a true, fact-based common state of affairs, if it is a matter of historiography. only it will take time. i would very much like to appeal to the ukrainian side, regarding exhumation, not to wait for the moment when we reach an agreement on historical issues, because in poland there are several hundred thousand families, or several hundred thousand individuals, who still very often have graves in unknown places ancestors, from those forties in volyn and not only in volyn. and i think that such a human need is to have a consecrated coffin either in ukraine or in poland those relatives, and it would also greatly help ukrainian-polish relations, because in the absence of that organized and civilized method of exhumation, our nationalists also speculate: oh, you see,

ukraine, we help her so much, and she does not even agree to such things. so, once again, we divide the dialogue of historians, which is necessary until it ends in success, because the difference in those visions is getting smaller and smaller, now there are fewer emotions. it is more possible to think about it truthfully and realistically, let's separate the evaluation of history from the fastest possible completion of the exhumation process victims of those terrible times. you know, i also think that the experience of the closeness of poles and ukrainians in recent years, because really almost every polish family received guests in 2022, some for a couple of weeks, some for several months, and others still have ukrainian women and children as guests. i hosted 13 ukrainian women with children. houses near poznań and in warsaw, some went further west after a few days, others stayed for 5 months, the ladies from zaporizhzhia returned in july-august 2022, and this

also brought us closer in such a human way in a personal sense, i hope that thanks to this experience we will also solve various other difficult things, że tej tej temu izwiczczeniu we will be able to solve inne łęków, trudene sprazy szłoż. well, we are lucky, as they say, in ukraine, god willing, and as soon as possible, thank you very much, mr. posle posle, i want to remind our tv viewers that martin bosatsky, a member of the polish diet, the head of the polish-ukrainian parliamentary group, was currently working on espresso. well, our program time is up, thank you for being there with the espresso tv channel and stay, my colleagues have prepared a lot of extremely important and interesting programs with us, so we will largely watch them together. once again, i congratulate you on the day of ukrainian independence.

friends, my greetings, i congratulate you on the independence day, of course, this holiday since 2000. the 14th year has become even more meaningful than before, and what can i say after a full-scale invasion, even more people, firstly, celebrate this holiday and celebrates it correctly, i.e. not just somewhere defines it like any other a holiday, and it makes sense, you know, i remember when in my childhood, when there were any kind of holidays, they... started almost the same, they were the same concerts on the central square, i grew up in small town, and it was basically the same that it was independence day,

that... there is a different day there, that christmas, that some artists just came to us, and i am very happy that now almost every such important holiday in our country has some its meaning, and more and more people understand and share these meanings, so once again on independence day, i will say that many artists, musicians have timed the release of their tracks, or albums, or songs, or something else before this day. something, for example, zhadany dogs released a whole album, which consists of eight songs, this album is called zlyy, serhiy zhadan himself, he characterizes this, this disc, as honest, angry, as private as possible, and i managed to listen to it so superficially, and well i want to say that this is absolutely in the spirit of the dog, well, let's try

to listen. the passage, if it is ready, let's talk further. deserved acting folk, fashionable, hungry and foreign, and we do not know where we hear something, play what we play, and hear what we hear. literally a year ago, when i was walking on the beach, and you could usually hear some russian music there, someone brought speakers and half of the beach turned on the dogs. it was a completely new experience, although this is exactly how it should be in principle, and if we talk about the desired in music, then it is like this, well, we like to throw around the word phenomenon, i would say that it is a certain phenomenon, so that zhadan in us can write complex texts, and which will be very multi-layered, in which literary experts sit there, understand, and

yes... everyone can perform enough in such a club or, well, in general, to a mass audience, the main thing is that his songs, dog songs, zhadana and dog are not sufficiently understood, such a wide audience, that is why they are popular, that is why they resonate, and in general, i will say that in the prose and many of serhiy zhadan's poems there is such a multi-national, that is , something that resonates with millions of... readers, and here it is, this probably one of the secrets serhiy zhadan's popularity is increasing more and more. well, also, maria burmaka released not only a new song, but also a video for it, it is called, this song is quite so sentimental. ukraine is kind, and mariyka herself says that she is not prone to such words there, or to the same centimeters,

sentiments in creativity either. but she says that when the shelling of akhmatit took place, and she pondered all this during the day, and at the end of the day she wanted to write a song that would, let's say, embrace this country like, like a mother, or like a child, here this is how she explains it all, let's listen: rivers and fields, the path is wide. no one gave you away, ukraine my heart, the sun goes up to the sky, a flag flies by, i keep you in my heart, mother ukraine, and also on the eve of independence day, volodymyr zelenskyi gave out state awards to artists and not only artists, in general 11 outstanding figures, not only

ukrainian, because an example is the middle. howard buffett, an american millionaire, i will say, by the way, that in buch, where i live, the buffett foundation renovated a whole street that was destroyed, station street, now there a completely different look, and serhii paradzhanov also received the award, posthumously, of course, nina matvienko, her daughter also came posthumously to receive this award, and ihor poklad, an outstanding ukrainian composer, finally received his... his award, i will say that in there are many other people, of course, he is a hero of ukraine and a laureate of the shevchenkivsky prize, olga gerlan received, of course, definitely deserved her award, oleksandr usyk. i will say, to make it clear, here are these state awards, they challenge me, they give me...