that this is a full-scale war, that is, the war that began in the 14th year, which we now call the modern russian-ukrainian war, it obviously began much earlier, even in the 20th century, and its already such a full-scale stage or a full-scale cycle, it was inevitable, and maybe we will touch on this issue somewhere in today's conversation, this is a very important issue for understanding that you can never trust russia, you can never believe... in any ephemeral peaces or truces that russia offers you, and , at the same time, no you can admire the democracy of russia, why am i talking about this, actually, once again, i am appealing to our series, when we were preparing a series precisely about its independence day and later about the referendum, there was once such a president in the russian federation, whose name was boris yeltson, yes? and the world admired him because he was

a democrat and so on, but if we look at the press of that time, the great democrat yeltsin at the beginning of 1992 had already openly threatened the state of ukraine that if it did not get rid of its nuclear status, he would a preemptive nuclear strike on ukraine, and this is the 1992 year, that is, the great democrat yeltsin is threatening the neighboring already independent state. about the fact that he will strike with nuclear weapons if she does not fulfill his protections, and this is generally the whole history of russia, and its history of russia and its relations with ukraine, that is, about this failed state that exists on the northeastern border with us , they will never come to terms with our independence, they will never come to terms with our independence, so if we run a little ahead, here we are, you marked the 11th the day of... independence, actually this 11th day

of independence, it will either happen in us, or in my opinion, in my personal opinion, or we will cease to exist as such, if the orange revolution or the revolution of dignity, these were our days independence and our victories, but we obviously could lose in them, well, in fact, there were various factors that contributed to the fact that we could... lose, but then we still had some perspective, well , that is, we can only remain ukraine there, and well, let's repeat ourselves, another fail state like belarus, and what, on alas, their self-proclaimed dictator is now who they are, but we won then, now the question is no longer whether we will remain as some ephemeral ukraine, in fact, the question is whether we will... exist or we will not

exist as such, and therefore this day will either happen, and it will truly be the day of independence and the day of our victory, or we will cease to exist. i very often analyze these things that happened in the 20th century, at one time i worked a lot in the archives of the sbu, in various positions, for about six years ago, my last position was there, i was the deputy director of the sbu archive, the branch state archive of the sbu, and... now during my treatment, because i am on vacation and due to my health, due to a combat injury, and i remembered that in a previous life , before the full-scale invasion, i was a historian, and i started working on a book now, and again i am distorting the materials that i wrote before, raising new ones, again raising documents from the nkvd, mgb, kgb, and they are very illustrative, because they... show very clearly what is possible with us

to be if we lose, and this is conditional, let's say, with the active army of the onr or as the soviet special service called them with the petliurivtsi, and this is the vast majority of the personnel of the army, i mean, now the armed forces of ukraine will be physically eliminated, even if not on on the battlefield, then later tracked down and eliminated by the special services, a large part of ukrainians who fought for independence in other ways in... armed, i mean ukrainians in the body, who help, who volunteer, who donate, who hurt ukraine, they accordingly, as supporters, as the soviets called it, of the ukrainian counter-revolution, taga, that is, as supporters of, let's say, the ukrainian people's republic, they will be condemned, sent to siberia, and there will be only that part of the collaborators and that part of the pochekuns or zhduns , which still

exist in ukraine and still exist, moreover, they exist in different parts of ukraine, like here in lviv, where we are now having a conversation, or in odesa or in kyiv or in kharkiv, that is, i do not i want to say that... we have a sad outlook, because we are now an independent country that has a pretty strong and professional army ah, which is helped by the west and we have a chance to win this war, just for us to win this war, this war has to become a people's war, it must not be a war of units, it must be a war of the majority, when i talk about a people's war, that is, it is not only that somewhere there are we... you know, as it happened, unfortunately, somewhere in 2016, 17 , on the 18th, when, news from the ato zone, and then from the zone of operation of the united forces, we were already going through a decline, decline, decline, well, somewhere there are some boys and girls, somewhere

in the east they are fighting with someone, we are okay here, we have life here, and i have nothing against a peaceful life, although i am a military man, but a peaceful life is a peaceful life , this is good, because actually... you can go on vacation to a peaceful city, where your wife, or your beloved, or your mother is waiting for you, and spend those 10 or 15 days of vacation there, but this war is not must go astray, and one should never forget about it, but in civilian life, in fact, when it will be popular, when the whole people will fight, then we will be able to win, and on february 24, 2022, it looked like a national day, everyone mobilized then, what is yours? february 24 was this day, oh, i had a very funny day, well, i don't want to look like a clown, it certainly was n't a funny day, not a funny day at all, but it started interestingly for me, that is, i had a premonition of something, and we're still there in the evening, we had a meeting with the director

of the center for the development of social sciences and humanities, we were supposed to make a presentation of one of our books there, and i said, listen, well, it’s all good what we’re planning, but it seems to me that from day one the day will begin, and i will not be in this event. but we convinced that nothing would start, well, okay, and then i sat down in the middle of the night to finish the book, at that time my colleague from the institute of the history of ukraine of the national academy of sciences, tetyana pastoshenko, we were working on a book about the sredsk camp of the isd security police, well that is, it is a nazi camp on the territory of kyiv, which existed from 41 to 43 years and where a lot of people were actually murdered by the nazis, and we... commissioned by the university of jerusalem worked on a collection of documents, that's why i mentioned it for a reason, because - putin came to denazify us, and i was sitting, working on a collection of documents about the national camp, well , i don't know if he knew about it, i guess he didn't know, and i was working somewhere, the truth is somewhere up to

1:4, and then i simply fell asleep on the computer, yes, well, that is, the beginning of the full-scale i overslept, and my good friend from the states woke me up. this is bohdan gavraliuk, he is from the organization for the defense of the four freedoms of ukraine, and he called me, i personally picked up the phone, saying that what happened, he says, do you have a war? i say, i’m either asleep, or something seems to me, he says, the war is in the news, and then i went to ukrpravda, saw that a full-scale invasion had really begun, and then everything turned upside down, a military man, not a military man, the territorial center of recruitment and social support of tsc. known more distribution, the first, the first month is the defense of the ternopil airport, i was in the calculation, anti-aircraft guns, banally speaking, so as not to call the full full name, otgu, after that,

after that it is a company of countersabotage, later the reconnaissance company, and then already from the summer of 22. it is direct participation on the combat line, this is the donbas, the north of the donbas, the izyum direction, later the south of kharkiv region, then the kharkiv counteroffensive, then kupyansk, and now sumy region. er, it's a long way from ternopil, 1200 km. hey, are you on the mend now? yes, recovery from injury, combat injury, combat injury. well, it's called a combat injury, but somehow, well, we like to joke with our comrades, somehow it happened, i jumped and broke my knee, well, it happens, yeah, just like that jumped or still saved his life, we conducted measures to mine positions, and

unfortunately we were, you can use slang, we were burned, you can use slang, yes, you can use slang, okay, you can finish. we were burned by the ork, that ork hall, well, this is their reconnaissance drone, and after that, after they saw us, a mortar went from their territory. shoot, and it was necessary to urgently take a position below the ground, there is such a position below the ground, and i was in this ammunition, i did not successfully jump somewhere from a height 3 well, that’s how it turned out, that’s how i was, this injury is the first injury of some kind, this is already the second, the second, eh, and that’s it, everything is my luck on the mines, all the same 82nds, because under kup yansko was also 82, but she hit the wall of the dugout above my head, and here. well, there was this one, there were also, well, such scratches, as the guys say, uh, guys who are with you,

did any of them have a question for you, or such a question with a claim, like a historian, they say, if you knew, that there will be a war, which you didn't warn about, or why you historians didn't they warned all of us, no, well, we warned, well, it’s true, but i’m asking if people do this, i can even drop the articles where we warned about it, no, the guys didn’t ask that, well, here, here, i guess there is, well, i’m now i won't reveal any big secret, here there is - as i see it in ukrainian society, and among my brothers and sisters, there is such a certain question somewhere, probably to the authorities, that is, that for a certain period it went according to the principle, like this hollovic film with leo daprio don't look up, that is, don't look up, and - it was a dangerous tactic, indeed, many did not believe what would happen, well, but everything indicated

that, and our western partners indicated that, the guys do not have such questions, we are there, when someone has time and mood, then we are about other historical we are talking about questions, but what interests people who are with you in the trenches, who are shoulder to shoulder with you, but they do not have a historical education, what they are interested in is history, it is from the history of ukraine, i beg your pardon. no, well here, here it depends, that is, someone interesting, well, with me, a brother actually fights in the same platoon, he is a historian and graduated from the same faculty as me, well, that is, he and i sometimes touch tongues, we can talk for a long time, but not only about history, there are also about international relations and other things, it depends on who has what request, well, that is, i have my platoon leader, he is interested in history, and when it was more or less quiet in our positions there, well, near kupyansk, it was always comparatively, more or less quiet, but

when sp to talk to himself a little, that's why he was forever asking himself, but tell me about that, and tell me about that, and tell me about that, well then he even told this commander of the department in which i was, now he is my comrade, because we are two commanders of departments, and even then he was a comrade, so he even told him, he says yes, i did not understand, but why i am not on night duty together with a flap, he says, why did you move me, well, i have a callsign flap, along with it, and well, even this one, there are different, there are different stories, that is, mainly the boys have a request for this, and even here it is possible, i even i will say more about the entire structure of the armed forces, that there is a request, a request for this, a request for this, just that one of the guys... this is a story, asks to explain something more, and the second point is that in 2022 you mentioned

that there was a people's war, but really, when i came to the military headquarters on the 24th , tsk, i spent a long time there to the military medical commission and so on, and the very next day, the 25th, i arrived, i was supposed to be assigned to a brigade. and i already saw on the 25th how the doors, the doors of the tsk were being broken by the volunteers, and then somehow i had a very, very great peace, that is, i saw, yes, if such a number, so let's hold on, i know from my other friends there who were also in kyiv, that is, when they saw the number of people who left, that is , from it people, businessmen, millionaires there to ordinary guys. from borshchagivka or from troeshchyna, i.e. everyone united and when they left,

there was also some kind of calm, well, although they were already coming quite close, we know they were coming quite close, there was vorzel later, irpin, later bucha was close to you, well, that is, whether moschun or others, but there was a certain peace because of it, and until why am i conducting this, now then there were volunteers, ugh, that is, people who had a very clear argument why for... what and for what, having at the same time families, having three, three minor children each, with me several such brothers are serving, who until now, having all the grounds for dismissal, continue everything equally. to serve for 2.5 years, mobilization is currently being carried out, is it necessary, obviously yes, is this moral-willed argumentation in front of itself, does it exceed the one that was in the 22nd, i think no, i think it even is a little lower, yes, that's why the issue of history must

be raised, it must be raised with the personnel, and this should actually be carried out, moral psychological support, units of moral and psychological support, we have very cool examples of this, for example, we have the third assault brigade, where our fellow historian oleksandr alforov, he is just engaged in moral and psychological support, i know examples of brigades that are currently introducing such and such units into themselves, and that is, well, such units exist, but they are not developed, that is they are, they are... according to the internal instructions of the armed forces, but they are not developed to the extent they should be, that is , you need to talk to the personnel why this war did not start on february 24, that is, i always correct the interlocutor, well you this probably also happened, but when the war started, i say friends, this war started on february 20 on the maidan of the 14th year, not this one, but with the shooting of the heavenly hundred,

not on february 24 of the 22nd year, yes, well, if we let's take a deeper look, then this is actually a war. as our colleague volodya vyatrovych says, she is ours century war, it started at the beginning of the last century, simply because such an entity as the ukrainian people's republic is actually ours, our truly ukrainian state, if you look at it from a historical point of view and we are talking about the cossacks, then yes, this is it, these are ukrainian national entities, but still they are considered proto-states, but we have... the whole state with all its attributes , and here it was just across the throat , both white and red, but it was an orc and an orc and it did not last long the ukrainian state existed at that time due to

several factors, firstly, there were some disagreements in the leadership, some were pulling others here. and secondly, the people themselves did not really want to go and fight, because they did not understand what they were fighting for, we still draw some historical parallels from time to time, you have the feeling that it resonates somewhere, or how we are different now, maybe we did some work on mistakes, i think so, well, that is, i am generally such an ardent optimist and i think and see and know and believe that the work we made mistakes, the first point... we have three things, the unr, which is the support of the west, the unr was not enough, that is, they, they were actually alone, there it was and it was very difficult. if we take the entente itself, that is, france and great britain, they supported the white guards, and if the whites, if denikin wanted to capture kyiv, because he explained to his allies that kyiv is a city

of the russian empire, well, they said, okay, well , like, ok, that's it, now we have event support. two: we have a really strong military, that is, we have armed forces of ukraine, not only the armed forces of ukraine, i do not want to offend my brothers and sisters of the defense forces of ukraine, that is, the national guard, the state border service, the security service of ukraine, the insovoon national police, and we have really strong defense forces of ukraine, really strong, well-armed, maybe there. not all units to the end, but in the end the work on this is going on, we have, in the vast majority, i am not i will not talk about 100% there, but we have in the vast majority the awareness of the population that they are ukrainians, they have the state of ukraine, and as for these orcs, okay, russians, and russians, they

don’t want here and... and they don’t want to see them, hear them, don’t need their history, culture, well, more on that it is possible, we can still talk about it, because unfortunately not everyone is so convinced of this yet, but that is, we have a lot of winning things, we have a strong army, we have the awareness of ukrainians that they are ukrainians, they need this state , and we have the support of the west, unfortunately, all this was not in the unr, that is, there really is a lot there the propaganda of the bolsheviks worked well, there the power was divided. uh, let's remember how we worked, like vynnychenko, sometimes he ran away, then he returned to kyiv, only later, when the sich riflemen of konovalts defended poltava there, he did stay in kyiv, but, well, several times before that. wanted to run away and whether moydan was packing, there were such things, now, well, now we have much more prospects and much more opportunities to defend our state and our right to

exist. well, our conversation is already going on a little bit to the end, er, i will tell you one more such moment from your biography, if you google the name volodymyr birchak, it gives such information that i was born in 1881, i was very well preserved. yes, but your picture, and it says that you are a ukrainian writer, a literary critic, a soldier of the ukrainian sich riflemen, er, this is a relative, this is a relative, but he has, well, first of all, that this is a distant relative, that is, i researched him biography, i have an archival and investigative file, because he was once detained in was detained in prague, then imprisoned by the nkvd, but he and i, apart from the fact that we are relatives, we have... things in common, he is a soldier of the ukrainian armed forces, i am a soldier of the armed forces of ukraine, basically two-two of two formations fighting for the freedom and independence of ukraine. he, like me, was once

an archaeologist, he is, it is true, a cooler archaeologist than i, although i was also engaged in archeology, but, well, i am not a writer, i am actually a historian, although he is also a historian, as it is, and we still have the similarity that we have the same ears, eh, i really hope that, after all, his life... ended tragically, tragically, that is, here too the moscow boot trampled and shortened the life of a person who could have done something for this country, i really wish that you managed to realize all those plans that you still have, i know that you want that you are actually finishing this book right now, and what it will be about, announce it, well, it's your own book, it's... stories from, it's stories from the kgb archive, that is, it's the ukrainian 20th century, and it, it's something we don't know, and it's something we know very badly

we know, maybe there, maybe like this, that is, it is from the way ukrainian nationalists cooperated with the british special service mi-6, passed special forces training and were dropped on landing planes on the territory of ukraine, perhaps someone does not know much about this, before the participation of jews in the ukrainian insurgency. of the army, so that one of them was actually a political consultant to the commander-in-chief of the upa, and many such things that we either do not know enough or know little about, can we talk about any plans when this book comes out, i think that it is still too early, everything will depend on how quickly i will work on vacation in the state of health that i am in now, eh and when is the vacation will end, in september and beyond what back, front, front? volodya, thank you for this conversation, thank you for what you do both on the battlefield and on the battlefield, such an ideological one, returning to people the historical

truth, of which you were the editor, and can still remain, i was not expelled, i i take part in discussions, my god, how do you manage to do everything, it happens, dear friends, that our guest was volodymyr birchak, a sergeant of the armed forces of ukraine, a historian. archivist, head of academic programs of the center for the study of the liberation movement and editor of historical truth and we talked with him about history and about the war and how history, how to make sure that the history of our previous losses does not repeat itself, stay with espresso, thank you for being with us, my name is lesya vakulyuk. tired of the mess in the kitchen, you constantly have to sort through a bunch of pans

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