in the future, already after the war, of course, there will be elections, and it is not news that mr. dmytruk behaved quite actively in this environment of adepts of the moscow patriarchate, so it is clear that there are not so many of them, but they are still active members of all after all, there are about 2 million people there, and it is clear that this target audience is aimed at them. and including all these statements that are now being heard on his official internet sites. igor, look, you they mentioned that elections are possible, yes, if we speak, if we measure the political activation of certain circles, yes, well, there is a feeling that it is possible, it could happen in the spring, and maybe even earlier, that is, we understand that during the war, where yure, nothing like that can happen, but all the same, you very rightly noted that... also about certain political

circles, we understand, well, the same artem dmytruk would not be single, that is, maybe arestovych plus, maybe he or another baumeister and so on, well, it crystallizes or one or another environment, and we understand that they would also try to formulate the political agenda of their not yet formalized political force, which would resemble something. some kind of hybrid between, i don't know, the party of regions or lytvyn's bloc and something else like that, well, plus, again, everyone is looking at the trends now, the same united states, and there the topic of so-called christian nationalism is also developing, that is, they also season it now with these trends in order to be liked there conditionally trump's team there, and in principle, well , there are certain successes in this direction, well, let's remember the same jadi. and the company there, but in general,

in general, this work is really going, you know, according to the schedule, well, if you look there in the last months, what has been happening, and indeed we see the efforts of the most opposition- minded citizens who have their own somewhere an alternative position, somewhere on the border with conspiracy theory, which does not have anything to do with any logic, but all the same , such people are present and they are simply trying to banalize them. use in order to there, for example, to enter the parliament of the next convocation, if we talk about when the elections can actually be held, i will remind the words of mr. stefanchuk, who in an interview with the tv channel rada and stated that a draft law on post-military elections is being prepared, these will be unique conditions, according to, not according to the current election code, but the election code, by the way, on... will remind you that

there is a requirement to call within a month elections that did not take place due to the introduction of martial law, so i really, i think that it is possible it will be spring, closer to summer of next year, it looks more or less optimal so far, based on the fact that the negotiation process, which everyone is talking about now, will either take place closer to the new year, or a little earlier, well , that is, it will be just in time. . including certain markers for our political forces, to work more actively with our own electorate and build up the corresponding popularity, well , interesting, mr. igor, because there are a lot of people who do not share this optimism about the elections next year, but , but we'll see, i wanted you more to ask about the actual situation with pavel durov, yes, the founder of telegram, he was detained and arrested in france, as if he is suspected of this. that he also contributed

to organized crime, because others were acting through telegram, in fact it was connected with some pedophilic chat tendencies and some drug trafficking, but as the french law enforcement officers explain, he and in particular the telegram administration, they did not cooperate with law enforcement bodies and actually were a kind of observers in what happened in the telegram and in no way this they weren't interested, but i'll throw it in now , i don't know... i have the feeling that in general durov himself was not against being detained by the french law enforcement officers, i think he even asked whether it was because of his own or others, i don't know , lawyers or affiliations, says: guys, do to me the same as they did to kolomoisky, hold me, be kind in your, so to speak, food gloves, so that i don't have to meet with the same putin. so we understand that the

meeting i am talking about was supposed to take place in the coming days, for example, after durovoy's return from france, we understand that no matter how tough the french women are there. she is fair, and themis , the so-called russian or russian crooked judge, usually ends up in the grave, well , accordingly, they would say to him there: yes, give all the encryption boxes, give all the codes and so on, otherwise you will fly to a land rich in yakut game, so well in principle , posthumously, but such a scenario is still possible, well, i will ask a possibly rhetorical question, would you fly your own private plane in the country, where do you know for sure? that you will be taken and detained if you do not have plans for this detention, well, it is clear that if the idiot was returning there from azerbaijan, where he allegedly could meet with putin, but allegedly was not allowed to meet there, then perhaps he was given a certain signal that maybe navichok

might be chasing after a fool somewhere, maybe there are some other nuances, let me remind you again that the russian oligarch, the same one, actually invested in his own telegram. it is roman abramovich in his cryptocurrency ton, and roman abramovich, how we remember, this is directly putin's wallet, that is, there is another question, whether they could not agree on something, either with the russian special services, or with investors, and because of money, for example, where did something really start, but i simply think that durov could to choose the lesser evil, that is why he actually made this landing there in france, that he could not land there in great britain. or in germany, or else, well, that is, well, it’s clear that having a private plane, he had quite a wide range of options so as not to fall into the hands of the french, respectively law enforcement system, and again, they haven't raised suspicions against him yet, that is, suspicions

are only being made against him, he was detained and it seems that they will keep him there until the 29th or whatever date, that is, this just shows that the situation is not so is simple, as shown at first glance. although it is clear that telegram today still tried not to give western special services that level of cooperation, for example, how telegram cooperated with russian special services, we saw this in bashkakartastan, for example, in ingushetia, in dagestan, in many other subjects of the federation, where literally in one day all opposition publications and groups were closed, and accordingly in such a situation, well , it is obvious that... with durov they will carry out certain work in france in order to ensure that there is still a certain cooperation regarding such spicy pages that violate the legislation, but already european legislation and pose a real threat to the national security of france and other

european states. mr. igor, allow me, i just want to close the topic because of the stupidity, in your opinion, he is a fellow student of this whole story, or is he a victim of the russian political regime? because now there are many ukrainians who say that duruf is a victim of political persecution and so on. well, in general, what has been happening to him for more than 10 years, and since when he created vkontakte, then he was allegedly forced to sell his share to the state-owned group. you know, it 's more like a certain legend, the legend of a certain opposition millionaire, then. billionaire to work directly in the west, but as we have seen that this work did not help much, for example, to register the same cryptocurrency ton with the ministry of finance of the united states and their other bodies, that is, obviously, there were much greater requirements

and, well, let's say the rates were directly insane, but now we see a certain downward trend on the telegram, where in various countries, after all , decisions are made about... and the regulation of its limitation or prohibition? look, well, as they say, we don't live by telegram alone, yes, we understand that the enemy launched an extremely powerful, rocket and shahe attack today to ukraine, yes, there are affected objects of the energy infrastructure, well, such a rather characteristic, not new, but fresh signal came from the side of putin's henchman, dmitry piskov, so he declared that negotiations with ukraine now... have lost their relevance , quoting now the russian propaganda source riano novosti, quoting piskova, you know, the topic of negotiations now, it has lost its relevance, reports about various contacts in zma are published very often and not all of them are actually truthful, well here it is

two points are characteristic: the one who has ears, so to speak, will hear, now it has lost its relevance and various... contacts are not all of a true nature, that is, as far as we understand, it is possible that there are some or the other, or there were some or other contacts that were reported to zmi, yes, well... the fact that it has lost its relevance now does not mean that it will lose its relevance somewhere in six months, when in addition to kurshchyna there will be belgorod region, bryansk region or rostov region, well, because our fighters, our armed forces of ukraine are also there certain signals are preparing a certain response, so i don't know in what format it will be, but the fact that they hit our civilian objects, so to speak, will most likely draw a very specific and understandable one for them. the answer, well , look, actually, regardless of what piskov said, well, the negotiations are still the same,

or consultations at different levels are ongoing, well, at least a couple of days ago, we saw the return of, for example, 115 of our defenders as replacements there russian conscripts, it happened, it happened, that is, it was already based on a certain negotiation process, plus, again, if the russian federation does not want to start the negotiation process now, it obviously needs additional reasoning, and i call on the countries of the west to... this additional reasoning, for example, by granting permission to use long-range weapons against televsion facilities on the territory of the russian federation , as well as, well, once again reincarnating the topic of covering part of the ukrainian sky with western air defense systems that are located there respectively in the member countries of the alliance, this can be done, it can be done, and it is obvious that with such steps, i think that, on the contrary, we will only strengthen this argument. as i liked today, one of the contributors on facebook wrote correctly, i think that we

still need to set goals, we need to make a request for tomahawks, well, it’s clear that now it’s not very realistic, but nevertheless, nevertheless less we understand that the russian federation understands only force, and with force we will be able to incline it to fair negotiations. thank you for the analysis, ihor chelenko, the head of the analysis and strategy center, was with us directly communication ot. covered many topics with mr. igor and would have discussed a lot more with him, but time, as they say, does not make itself wait, because in just a few minutes we will have our next guest, we will also talk about the recent attack on kramatorsk, where, as you know, a reuters journalist was killed, and their journalist was also seriously injured, we will talk about this and not only this, literally in a few minutes, wait and stay with espress. there are

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announced that an aerial object had flown into its territory during the attack of russia, it was being searched for, it was reported. the operational commander of the armed forces of poland, matiy kliszcz. according to klishch, during the morning air attack of russia on ukrainian cities, an aerial object flew into the territory of poland in the ukrainian chervonograd region and that it was not a missile. the announcement was made just recently at 13:00 polish time. well, we are probably talking about a drone. the search is ongoing, the object has been detected by at least three radar stations. well, about drones and radar stations. and now we continue our collection specifically for these needs for as many as three brigades, this is the third separate assault brigade, the 110th and 47th brigades of the armed forces of ukraine, and once again we remind you, our viewers, and those who watch us on youtube and on tv, that meetings are going very, very slowly, we understand that you and i do not have

enough financial resources, but we also understand that the situation is difficult and who but us will help our... soldiers to protect us, so we ask you, please throw in a couple of hryvnias for this collection, scan the qr code, if you don't know how to do it, ask your relatives, or friends or neighbors to help you with this, and drop a couple of hryvnias to help our soldiers, and they know what to do with these drones and rebs for that , so that they work as effectively as possible on the battlefield, and now we will talk about the difficult pokrovsky direction, we will not only talk about it, but also about the latest... attack on kramatorsk, as a result of which western journalists were killed, we are talking, in particular, about journalists edition of reuters, with us on communication pavlo dyachenko, head of the communication department of the main administration of the national police in donetsk region, mr. pavle, welcome, welcome, studio, well, we would like to start our conversation with the evacuation from the pokrovsk direction, when we are talking about

the city of pokrovsk and myrnograd, that's how the information came in, that far from all districts of myrnograd. it was possible to evacuate people without special equipment, without armored capsules. what does the evacuation situation look like in the pokrovsky direction now? well, evacuation is not only in the pokrovsky direction, and continues throughout the entire territory of the region . well, let's emphasize it again, yes, it is 24/7. there is no such thing as the fact that some settlement, some settlement was not paid attention to. that is, everything works. on a permanent basis, many groups are involved, these are the villa angel police crews, these are the evacuation crews of the state emergency service, phoenix, these are the patrol police, these are military administrations, from the front line, conditionally from the settlements that are on the front line, or very close, of course they evacuate families with children, gives adults, that is

recently there we were involved in evacuating people with reduced mobility with the help of... medics, so it is really necessary to involve cars with protective elements, protected, because the enemy strikes insidiously, the enemy uses artillery, uses drones, attacks the evacuation crews, well, recently the crew the state emergency service was attacked by a drone, and fortunately , the state emergency service crew, the policeman who was there in the car, civilians, journalists, they were not injured, they were reconciled. the guys worked and everything, everything was normal. mr. pavle, i wanted to ask you if you know anything about fate and journalists, in particular, who work... directly near the front line, i mean one of the last strikes on kramatorsk, on the hotel where journalists from ukraine , the united states and great britain were staying,

unfortunately, one is known to have died, and now he is in serious there is another one in the state, what is known in general about this shelling and how dangerous is the work of the media in the donetsk region in your opinion? well, the work of fashion designers is really on the front line. dangerous, because journalists, boys, men, girls, they are really devoted to their work, they cover all those events, all this armed aggression by russia, all these crimes that russia causes and commits, it's really dangerous, but you see, they still work, anyway, well, it's covered, they show the world everything, it's real, all these crimes , which, which are committed. and, unfortunately, this foreign publication became a victim themselves, they themselves became a victim of this insidious, one can call it that,

yes, insidious, this cynical strike, a powerful missile, it was previously, as the explosives experts established , an iskander missile, they were aimed at that's fine well, the hotel complex, we currently have information about, unfortunately, one dead person, we express. condolences to the family, relatives, four journalists received injuries of varying degrees, that is, four more from this film crew were injured, and two civilian women were also injured during this shelling. look, i wanted to ask you, that is, there are reasons to say that the gunners were working, or maybe a russian intelligence network was working located on the territory, maybe this particular one. although i think there may be other cases like with the whole matter is, is it possible that they were monitored, well, foreign journalists were monitored with the help of other means

of radio electronic monitoring, well, this will all be clarified within the framework of the investigation, that is , the investigation is ongoing together with the security service, well, the security service is the main one, it is such joint investigative group, all the full circumstances will already be clarified. detectives are working, that is , all forces are fully engaged, well, i’m saying, and it also passes, excuse me, please, and it passes in the same way for every crime, that is , documentation continues constantly, and even such cases of such insidious and harsh shelling of people, well, how was the situation in konstantinita, when the russians successfully hit a supermarket with a rocket, maybe you remember , yes, we remember it that way. and this is such a serious, this is such a serious crime, and even understanding the conditionality of possible shelling, artillery, and repeated strikes there, that they simply do not

shy away from doing it, they carry out these actions, and it happened in pokrovsk as well, yes, twice by iskander in one and the same the same place was almost hit, there were also many casualties, but that's it all the policemen, all those involved and all the law enforcement officers involved in the investigation, in the documentation, were present on the spot, yes... there were a few short breaks, because information was received that there might be another shelling there, we filmed from the spot , they changed their position, changed their location, then when it was allowed, they went back and worked as criminologists, and investigators, and detectives, documenting, we try to the maximum of all the services we have, catching gunners, what does the situation look like in donetsk region, a couple of days ago i spoke with the head of the main national police department. in the kharkiv region, well, he described the situation there, we understand that there may be certain differences, but most likely there are also common features: whom the enemy uses

as gunners, approximately how many similar groups have already been identified and detained, we understand that this is a joint effort the national police, the sbu, and not only them, military counterintelligence, but it doesn't matter if we talk, for example, about a contingent of ukrainian citizens who agree to work for a thief. well, the contingent is different, the contingent is different, and even if we don't take into account donetsk region, as you said, there are gunners or those who set fire to cars there in the state, even minors, 18 years old, women, men, elderly, and in donetsk region, really , this is joint work, this is joint work, as you said, the security services of ukraine are there. intelligence, the national police are involved, that is , they are trying to carry out this work as much as possible, the work is difficult, it is painstaking, but evidence is collected and... these people

are detained and then they will bear the appropriate punishment, well, you just understand that aspect, it is also important whether people are leaving, because the authorities are officially urging people to leave even pokrovska, because the situation there is very dangerous, and the russians, unfortunately, are advancing closer and closer to the city, and here the question is it really possible, in your opinion, to somehow make evacuation measures stricter not only for the safety of people, but also to make it impossible for the so-called gunners to work? well, work on evacuation, work is being carried out, well , as i mentioned, yes 24/7, but there are such area, as you say, there is pokrovsk, yes, indeed pokrovsk, pokrovsky direction, mirnograd silydova, not only the evacuation process is ongoing, that is, they arrived, they took it, it is ongoing, the bypass of the city territory is ongoing, this is a private building, a multi-storey

bypass. groups of the police, local authorities, military administrations, that is, they inform the population, maybe there were even such cases, i personally went there, the woman did not even know, well, that is, she did not watch tv, she did not look on the internet, she did not know what is forced with children, but okay okay it's yeah we have already thought so, things have been collected, regarding the curfew, regarding evacuation information, they drive around the cities, special cars, loudspeakers prove this information. and if a person does not even use the internet or something else there, they will still find out and understand all this, well, where the settlements are close to the front line, then reinforced crews are really already working there, and this is all happening in close cooperation, hiding you, mr. pavle, are hiding children from evacuation until such facts are discovered, but not yet such that we know that this is the address, and there

they are already there. somewhere in the basements, so far there is no such thing, and there, it is clear that everything needs to be checked, that is, when we go to one or another address there, people say that they have left, we contact them, just in the course of another check, but i worked together with the head of the juvenile police , pokrovska, of the juvenile police department, that is, he just picks up, calls a woman, we arrived at the address, a private house, of course, there is a small fence in the yard, we can already see that... there, well, this is the order, there are no things that were fixed, and there are no signs of life, that is, what seemed to be, there is no, we call, the woman says, yes, no questions, i am so-and-so, so-and-so, i have already left two days ago, i was there, they told me the address, and it is correct, we also need to understand this, in case of any extraordinary events there, so that we know that there is no one there, so that we understand where

to pay attention to the search, where to go there - check the information for someone else, and it is correct, and it is true, and that’s it, until such facts of frank, somehow, frank refusal, well, no, it didn’t happen, that is, everyone goes to contact, people understand, it happens that we go there , yes, we talk to people, yes, we know, we have our own car, we are now collecting things, looking for options, we don’t want to go according to the state program or volunteer, we have our own. here is the transport, we have everything assembled, a day or two and we will go, thank you, thank you, pavlo dnyachenko was in touch with us, unfortunately, we have to go further, the head of the communication department of the main department of the national police in the donetsk region, on he was working in direct communication, ukraine meanwhile is preparing russia's response to today's massive shelling, the minister of defense of ukraine rustem umyerov announced this, so ukraine is preparing its responses with weapons of its own production, this is also an extremely important signal, well, a drone, a missile. .. palyanitsa,

maybe it will work, i wonder how they will pronounce it in the news, but you will already hear about our news literally in a few moments . even i don’t want to call them colleagues, these russian propagandists, when they come, they will call this drone of ours a rocket plyanytsia, do you know them, they won’t be able to raise their russian-speaking jaws, well, a lyrical retreat, iro, i give you my word, i heard about plyanytsia, more , to be honest, i didn't hear anything, because if our viewers knew that we have an open newsroom here, and besides you , i have colleagues who are speaking in front of me, whom i can hear better than you, then i'm sure, just after the word palyanytsia, you and i know that russians are unlikely to be able to pronounce this word that's for sure, but i'll talk about all the details in the news release, again the attacks.