conversation with you, when volodymyr zelenskyi won the elections, you said that he had no other way, if he wanted to be the president of ukraine, he would be a ukrainian nationalist, and the army, language, faith would be on his table, i remember our you said this privately, before the elections, and many reproached me, how could you say such a thing, that whoever is elected as the president of ukraine, he will follow this path, well, that is why you contributed to the victory of zelenskyi, i am not contributing to anything, i just said that there is no alternative, because ukrainian... the president has a simple choice, either to be the governor of the kursk region, i apologize, or to be the president of ukraine, and no one wants to be the governor, because there is no guarantee, by the way, that you will be left with the governorship, that is the problem, that when you are elected the president of ukraine, this is also a certain crime, but yanukovych wanted to become the governor of the kurdish region, by the way, he flew out like a cork from a bottle, not the wishes of moscow, but the wishes of the ukrainian people, so she is the only vector, and... leonid kuchma, whatever he is there not

tried to get closer to moscow from different political vectors, he remembers that at the end of his presidency he even signed this agreement on a single economic space, all the same, the system, i would say, and both society and nomenclature turns out to be stronger than their idea of ​​it that's all, well , you mentioned the tobacconist, medvedchuk, but there were statesmen, volodymyr horbulin, yes, a man with a statesman's mindset, i think that few people doubt that yevhen marchuk is a man with a statesman's mindset, yes, with a very complex one. .. a system of personal connections, well, this is obvious for a person who spent his whole life in the special services, but one way or another , this is a person for whom ukraine was a real priority, and here again, just imagine, evgeny marchuk 90 thursday of the year 95 heads this commission that deals with the black sea fleet, yes, and the main condition of moscow, if you want to have any relations with it at all, you have to... leave

the black sea fleet there for life, vis-à-vis yevhen marchuk oleksa skavets, first deputy prime minister of the russian federation, one of the main figures in this system of special services, man connected with this, korzhakov is the head of yeltsin's security and almost there, the moneylender of the russian regime at that time, and soskovets does not manage to beat marchuk, although he seems to completely understand how to do it, he is an ethnic ukrainian. he has a clear understanding of how the ukrainian system works, but it turns out to be powerless, there is a fixed deadline, and then already in the times of putin and medvedev , all these agreements have to be literally undermined by the kharkiv agreements, that is, all the same that they planned in yeltsin's time it could not happen, it just turned out that it could to be only an instrument of power, those politicians who are not just power, but a frank meat grinder, that is... russia did not just go to war against

ukraine with the preparation of a possible war against western countries, others on the continent, there against the baltic countries or against poland, russia entered the meat grinder for themselves, that is, they did not expect such a number of two hundred, that is , as far as i understand, when they began to ban the use of the word war, that is, and try to replace it with the term svo, that is, they were afraid of that number of corpses , which they... gave birth to, which came back to them, but on the other hand, it means that maybe they will be ready to go further, that is, well, when there are no other scenarios, neither economic, nor diplomatic, nor any other, it remains but not just power, yes, but power stretched in time, well, there is a seven-year war, a 30-year war, a hundred-year war, an eternal war, but these people are very primitive, they could have gone another way and it is not known what would have happened , they pushed away all those people who... all the time said, even

after the election of putin: do not follow the path of force, you will not find anything good here. viktor chornomyrden said that it was in 2004. he told vladimir putin and dmitry medvedev that there is no need to put pressure on ukraine, it is necessary, it is not necessary to impose yanukovych, whom they hate, on them. he proposed a completely different candidacy, on which moscow had to rely. no, yanukovych. volodymyr lytvyn. ugh. letvina, and he actually said it out loud, that volodymyr letvin will be an absolutely normal, loyal partner, well, he will be the president of ukraine, but no no would give rise to such trash, but they wanted trash like this, so agree to yushchenko and then make a revenge, uh, supporting, let's say lytvyn, or lytvyn, the head of the verkhovna rada, give him the opportunity to strengthen his authority, forget about yanukovych, he about no, they needed a person who... just

will be, who they will hold in their hands, what, what is a lytvyn, well, you know what a lytvyn is, this is a person with whom you have to sit down and talk for a long time to negotiate, and there is no exact guarantee, what are you with him that you agree on something and even if you agree in what way it will be interpreted and carried out that way because he is a politician, well, what kind of person he is, well, chornomyr did not know how to conduct these conversations, and putin does not know how , what is the problem with putin, his behavior is spinning , call me dzek yanukovych, vitya, i will strangle you, come on, do it what they said and of course he liked yanukovych very much in this regard, he liked yanukovych because for him yanukovych was just a person who has preparedness. power for medvedchuk, i.e. zek has to hand over power to the agent, period, story ukraine is over, yes, well, but in fact the story of yanukovych is over, well, let’s hope, the story of medvedchuk, that there will be no return, but also putin and the kremlin, they are stubbornly idiots, they constantly tried

to return one or another negotiating card with the participation of medvedchuk, that is, they indeed, he is considered an outstanding expert, both on matters of ukraine, of his time. as far as we understand, they prepared all their plans to prepare for a full-scale invasion of ukraine, they prepared, including, in the circles associated with medvedchuk, associated with derkachem and not only with them, and they believed that they had a so-called operational plan for the capture of ukraine, the capture of ukrainian power, but they did not prepare for the fact that they would receive so much blood and teeth, they would literally receive... northern ukraine, what kind of battles were going on there, they didn't expect them, they didn't expect that everything would start burning from the ground to the sky, that is, and here we are talking about, well , what an idiot you have to be to believe that those people are yours all along the fluff, which they presented as their interpretation of ukraine,

the readiness of the ukrainian people and so on, for any scenarios, that is, they return them again, that is, the impression is that in the kremlin they do not learn or they are not given to training. they don't learn, i think, since the time of ivan antonovych, it's such a thing, but on the other hand, what are medvedchuk's strengths, medvedchuk is not a ukrainian, but a russian apparatchik. what is the difference between a ukrainian apparatchik and a russian apparatchik. the ukrainian apparatchik discusses these or other things in the first person so as not to lose power, but in principle tries to provide the first person with more or less adequate information about what is happening. the task of the ukrainian apparatchik is to influence the first person and interpret the information he provides, ugh, and this is how all the heads of the administrations of the president of ukraine who had some influence behave, from the conditional dmytro tabachnyk, by the way, who was the first such authoritative

head of the administration, to andriy yermak , interpretation of real information, in moscow it does not work like that, in moscow it is necessary to work. with the information the customer wants to hear, ugh, that is, the first one, that is, they go to the first, knowing what he wants to hear, yes, if you work otherwise, you will simply lose everything, that is, your task is to provide the client with the information he likes, and then, within the framework of his instructions, act more or less close to reality, well it's a different approach, huh, and it's an approach that is very often precisely... doomed to disaster, that is, if you are given an order to capture kyiv in three days, based on this information that you give to the client, then you cannot capture it in three days, you can only make yourself enter there troops to some territory there and hope

that you will get something there in two weeks or two months, and there are many such examples, and medvedchuk all the time he gave and gives information to putin that putin wants to hear, but putin is not the ukrainian people. prepared before 2022, there should already be good numbers and correctly interpreted, because if you bring bad numbers, you will not be paid, or you will be fired. because it's the kgb. they are arranged like that. i don't understand why, they provided the party apparatus with exactly such figures all the time. and when they themselves found themselves in power, for some reason they took it on their own weapons. it seemed that they should have understood that this was

unrealistic. they worked with unreality all the time. they deceived party officials very often. ugh. but they turned out to be absolutely hostages of this line of behavior. well, by the way, we know. this history that allowed yelson to create the cis and abandon the soviet union, it was also sociology. galina storovoitova met with yeltsin before the referendum. on the independence of ukraine, they asked him what he would do, she was an adviser to the president yeltsin on national issues, what is he going to do after december 1? and yeltsin said that he was not going to do anything, because he could not imagine that the ukrainian people would vote against the union with russia. imagine that this is not storovoitov, but viktor medvedchuk. viktor medvedchuk immediately brings yeltsin the figures that 80% of ukrainians are against the act of independence, and on december 2 yeltsin thinks. and what is it, something needs to be done, maybe troops are sent there, something they

didn't vote the right way, maybe it's falsification, galina storovoyto, who was not medvedchuk, was just there a conscientious, professional person, killed, by the way, by killerrum, it is still unknown who killed her and why, well, we understand that it is about the kgb, because she was not in the kgb, because she did not work for the kgb and not for kgb methods, she says, but i have sociology, boris mykolayovych, more than 90% will be in favor of independence. and here yeltsin says, it means we have to do something, galina vasylivna, let's think, if ukraine leaves the soviet union, what should we do to somehow maintain our ties with ukraine. well, that's a different approach if you surround yourself with idiots who just want to make money, then you become putin. well , accordingly, we can draw a certain projection, that is, we understand that, this is, i don’t know, a rusty icebreaker, which is controlled by, or where... by generators or jerks, that is, who got involved in the war, that is, this trajectory does not

foresee changes, or after all, there is a feeling that this or that, this or that narendra modi, or this or that joseph biden, or this or that, i don't know, some other collective brain of the world, global economic and so on, he can direct, not i know, take separately xijin ping can control this trajectory to nowhere, but the trajectory to nowhere is the trajectory of the war against ukraine, which... they made the meaning of their current state machine, that's the meaning, this state machine looks very simple, it's a tank, it i'm sorry, i'm sorry, there's a tank driver with a very small brain, i'd say, sitting in this putin tank, and he's driving, ugh, so there's only one way to stop the tank. nabjavelin, or he will fall into some trench and get bogged down there and stay there to stand and nothing will change, because he

will think that it is necessary to go further, but he simply cannot, he has to get bogged down, the very idea that you can approach this tank and knock on it on this tower, let's have some conversations with you, let's turn the other way, turn the other way or just stop there, let's drink champagne, look each other in the eye, it will be more profitable if you buy quality fuel . let's repaint your tank some beautiful color, no, it's not interesting at all, it has get bogged down, that's all, this is zelensky's formula for peace, conventionally speaking, or not zelensky's, but this is the real peace formula, the tank has to get bogged down, because in this tank no information is perceived, sit-down mods, that's all, if they say something, it doesn't matter if they stop buying oil, it's interesting, because the tank has nothing to go on, and as long as it has fuel, it... well, on the other hand, they have the same success, for example, they surrendered to the beautiful republic of turkey what

is called the caucasus, that is, caucasian interests putin conveyed both to baku and istanbul and not only to them, that is, we understand that even iran is more resistant to putin's influence in the caucasus than putin himself, that's paradoxical, that is, i don't know if he understands it, i would say so, i would even say otherwise, he understands it, he just thinks differently. he thinks that he will return all this after the victory over ukraine, that the victory over ukraine will paralyze everyone so much that they will not go anywhere, they will come themselves, that while he is fighting, they allow themselves to look away somewhere, disbanded because i don't have one, he doesn't look at these people as sovereign leaders, he just looks at it as serfs, the master is busy. he is just punishing another boy in the stable, and at this time they

are all doing something there, because barin is going to the stable, soon the barin will return, the slave will be punished there, hanged, i don’t know, there with the slave’s head, he will show them his head there, and that’s it , well, but in any case the tank is going, the tank has to get bogged down, and we don't even know, we don't even want to talk about the number of casualties. yes, because we understand that we are perishing not only enemy soldiers, our fighters die, that is, the concept of the tank, it does not involve any kind of compromise, yes, but there was, there was something... in istanbul, we do not even fully understand what was signed, what was said, but in any in any case, it was rejected, there were certain minsk processes, and we understand that ukraine, it is also preparing, and this should scare russia much more, because the same kurdish operation, we will not exaggerate it, taking into account what is happening oh now oh the present days on the front line, but in any case, the kursk

operation demonstrated putin's lack of response, the führer cannot... remain silent when he loses the territory of the reich, he can't, putin has, had something to say, the führer is not real, after all there was a real führer, it's true, and this führer is probably already in the refrigerator, yes, if you believe the nightingale, well, i'm joking, well, but in any case, no answer came from him, well, because it's not a führer, don't get confused, he was a deeply ideologically oriented person, he simply believed in his mission, mission role, and this... people, and this a small thug who decided that he would be a game, that he would play the role of napoleon in order to maintain power, well, this is a completely different amplo, he was a fanatic, and this is just a swindler, yes, but on the other hand, what does this mean for us , that is, in any case, he went to war, that is, if he wanted, well, he did not want to go to war, however, he just wanted to take kyiv in three

days and calm down, well, what does that mean, change the government by force, for example, oh, absolutely exact changes, restore co... borders of the dpr, lpr, as they imagined them , and change the authorities in kyiv so that this the authorities agreed to this restoration of the borders, a very simple operation, and by the way, to allow them to add something else there, which they wrote in the instructions, well, that's all, as a result, yes, they just broke into a bloody war, but again, when you talk about the istanbul agreements, i can say a clear formula of the istanbul agreement: russia wants, if not to conclude agreements, at least to publicize such agreements that... led to the destabilization of the situation in ukraine, that is, it is as a tool, an instrument of destabilization, that is, there can be various instruments of destabilization, it is possible to propose some agreements that will allow ukrainian society to shout, the president is a traitor, let's get together, we can't tolerate everything anymore, zelensky surrenders ukraine, they will always

wake up these narratives, this is one tool, another tool, well, murder iryna farion is an instrument here in lviv. a tool, one way or another, we don't even say how it happened, but when they saw it, they started using it as a tool to push different sections of society together, they it doesn't work, but they think so, because they have always thought so, in order to understand this, you should look not at the ukrainian russian war, but at the chechen one, the opposition that they bought in order to destabilize the situation in chechnya, huh , er, the murder of dzhokhar dudayev, the agreements in khasavirt, and again after these agreements work on the destabilization and separation of chechen society, but they did not go to khasavir until now, well, during the russian-ukrainian war, that is, on such agreements that would they were allowed to regroup and prepare for of some new phase, not that they didn't go, but

we didn't go either, we didn't go, we didn't go for other reasons, that is, we are aware of the fact that for what they would need someone, i don't know... there wasn't behind the back of the president of the united states and the prime minister of great britain, they were, from the point of view of international law, a republic within the russian federation, they were sympathized with as people who were subjected to repression and terror from the central government, but the west behaved completely differently, imagine to himself that in this situation the west would begin to supply a real one weapons of chechnya. in that situation , even after the second chechen war, the north caucasus would have long been independent states. why is putin leaning on the caucasus now? why didn't he go to belgorod oblast, right? why does he make such completely strange turning circles? why am i talking about putin now? because now, in the current phase

, a lot depends on this madman. we will form the key menstruum. i can, yes, i can answer why, because he is a lieutenant colonel of the kgb, and you are not a lieutenant colonel kgb, you cannot understand him, how does a lieutenant colonel of the kgb act in such a situation, he needs his population to have an image of stability in their heads, he conducts a counter-terrorist operation on the territory of the kursk, belgorod and bryansk regions, and immediately throws over the bridge to the counter-terrorist operation on to the north caucasus, do you remember, dear compatriots, how terrible it was in the north caucasus? children were killed by the hundreds, terrorists were rampant everywhere, there was a war organized by the west against us at that time, there was destabilization of russia, but we announced a counterterrorist operation, he is going along putin avenue to the putin institute in order to talk to volunteers who

will take part in this counterterrorist operation, what a surprise, this is such a saoron ring, he circles the situation so that people have hope, well, if he decided there, he will decide here too, nothing, did some terrorists invade russian land again, it was already, well... a counter-terrorist operation, no, we don't pay attention to it, putin will figure it out. very important, you, you reminded about certain differences, yes, the west's attitude towards chechen independence and support for ukraine. we understand that the west such an impression has now gone, for a much greater increase in rates, when we talk about a qualitative change in supply, that is, aviation - it is in any number, whether it is one or two squadrons, but... this is already a change in attitude , and we also understand that it is not just about flying weapons, not about the situation in the sky, not about strengthening, about red lines and about a hint

of putin's ass, you know, it was just a piece of cake, saying, but we can to increase the number of aviation, and he also had no answer whether he would read such things at all, that is, they understand that the west is now starting to prepare for its scenarios. and this applies not only to the russian-ukrainian war, but to the future, for example, to the future of russia, we, we do not see any figure that putin would raise from his hebite retort to replace himself, yes, to whom i apologize, raised joseph stalin, who after all, he was a bigger personality than putin, although he was not lavrentiy pavlovich bevlovich beria was going, he did not grow, well, but frankenstein grew himself when there are many. stalin

did not feed his successors, he did not want to have successors, and what heir was brought up by yosyp brostita, a much more liberal figure than stalin, he died, and there was no one, ugh, and he was thrown out of the house and sat and put under house arrest heirs to grow. he died and the head of state, the head of state security of albania, ramizalia, he is not dead, they are not, these people, they do not think at all that they will die, i think that the best quote is the words of fidel castro, who once said at a rally, if i die, if these people think in such categories, not when, but if, well, then something can happen, but in principle they do not consider such a possibility. they do not consider the possibility of transfer of power, because they are dictators, and if suddenly such possibilities start to be considered, here are people like nesultan nazarbayev, so he considered the possibility of transfer of power, now not everyone is laughing, well,

accordingly, the attitude of the west and the preparation of the west for a bigger , of the wider scenario, ie when we are talking not just about the russian-ukrainian war, but in general about the fate of the continent, the fate of the continent is, for example, division, i am not saying the mandatory sovereign there. russian yes, but some or other, i don't know, certain segments of the economy, certain influences and so on, that is, we understand that there is a so-called big game, and we understand that when xi jinping and president joseph biden talk to each other, they talk not only about ukraine, because they are also interested in the world, and at one time stephen king very aptly and succinctly spoke of the out-of-date moment, and in general about our global turbulences, the world moved from its place, and now. we see that a new order or disorder or a new order or a new system is sprouting, and russia remains archaic, bloody, dangerous, malicious and so on, but

archaic, that is, they sit with a button nokia and say, for some reason i can't get your video, and they say, well, we just send it to you from a censored phone, and they, and they have a push-button nokia, do you know that there were still soviet phones where... you had to turn the disc in order to reach someone make a call, and putin picks up the turntable, i can't, i can't accept your video, yes, because the special forces are ours, yes, yes, there is a very simple formula: the west is always hoping for putin's sane stupidity, that putin will understand some things, he must understand that he will not be able to absorb all of ukraine, that he will not be able to oppose ukraine's accession, at least to the european union, that he will not be able to re... force the west to recognize russian territorial possessions in ukraine, on ukrainian territory, internationally recognized

norm. it will not happen, it means that it is necessary do, if you understand that it will not happen, calm down and agree on something, at least tactically, he does not do this, he constantly pretends that he does not notice it, well, he does not notice it, so it is necessary to move on, he moves on, well what is left for the west to do, to move the red lines, the west will do it all the time, it is always hoping that putin will come to his senses, well, he won't come to his senses here , maybe he will come to his senses here, maybe he will come to his senses here, not... he understands, that is, putin, putin is waiting that the west will stop, and the west doesn't either the possibility to stop, therefore there will be more planes, sooner or later the decision will be made, which the president of the czech republic petr pavel spoke about: ukraine will be accepted without the occupied territories. but what about, for example, the hot phase of the war and the situation on the front line, because we understand that the current situation, it does not foresee freezing, here i am

talking about it, but... the cold, for today , does not foresee, but at some point can predict, because there can be a definition, the definition of both sides, it can be temporary ceasefire, which will be carried out by countries such as qatar, india and switzerland, for example, let's say, and putin will then say that he was deceived, he is being deceived all the time, he was deceived in minsk then by angela merkel and francois holland, then he are deceiving on the rendering of the peace of qatar, they are also deceiving him, because putin 's deception is when things do not go the way he wants. you understand, but he agrees to it due to certain reasons, because he is being pressured, and then he says: no, well, we agreed on something else, well, relatively speaking, to putin's fantasy about the euro-atlantic community, which supposedly promises not to expand from anywhere, yes, yes, yes, everyone says that this is a lie, it didn't happen, well, but for him you very correctly brought up this model of thinking, so he says, well i was deceived, well, no one agreed about it then.

well, that means, again, this is pushkin, it will not be difficult to deceive me, because i myself want to be, this is the relationship between people in russia, it seems to me that this is an absolutely accurate formula, after all, there is no need to doubt that that pushkin is not putin, pushkin knew russian better psychology for you and me, he is, after all , the russian national poet, i do not remember such a wording in world literature. when a man asks a woman to cheat on him, because he wants to be cheated on, because he has no other way out, he needs to be cheated on, so that he does some idiotic act, it would not be he who is guilty, but she, because he is happy to this, he needs it, putin is that, he treats the west like a pushkin hero, to this woman in some high society salon, yes, well, but the key story is how we will be,

as much as we can. that is, our intra-ukrainian concept of what is called, i don’t know, a modern national idea, it is already maturing, that is, it has been formulated and we are starting to go, so we understand that relations will be quite difficult now, that is, tactical processes, there are practical processes, when we talk, for example, there about the case of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, and it will not only be about this, but we see that gradually what was once called nationalism, i.e. and... and now this is not enough of what is prescribed in the legislation, it is already these people who profess such and such views, they sit, for example, in offices, it is far from possible in all of them, but they sit, they are generals, they sit in the headquarters of special services, they plan operations, and they are ready to fight further and defend those values, about which, even 10 years ago, someone could talk. so

to speak, with caution, because it can, so to speak, split society or not be perceived in the sociological dimension, and this too the answer to this question is quite simple, and ukrainian society and the state also have to draw red lines, hoping that russia will come to its senses. this also did not happen immediately, you know, we will carry out decommunization in the 14th year, stop, please, because you are destroying our common, ugh. legacy, no, we're moving on. well, you know, in this situation we introduce language quotas, we adopt a law on language, stop, please, you see how everything, how our people are changing, no, we go further, well then we carry out derosification, we have not there will be pushkin monuments and lermantov streets. you understand that you are completely destroying our common culture.