to fight for the destruction of one's own state, that's what is happening, i'm not going to be correct, i 'm saying it as it is, everyone who has, this messenger, helps russia defeat their own state and their own country, what's happening, according to your opinion, millions ukrainians help the russians to win, and unfortunately, it is our fault that we dealt with this... more harshly before, because there were only isolated voices, experts, investigators, whom no one wanted to hear, and even more so, above us and mocked, and still continue to mock, come on let's laugh further, let's go, no, no one will laugh at you, the simple question is that when a large network of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate operates in ukraine, and... we just now made a decision, and

in 9 months we will deal with this network, and it also looks very strange, you know, on the one hand, you can say that everyone who has a smartphone and there is telegram is a criminal and supports russia, against the background of the fact that there is a live network that works in ukraine, and we say no , well, we will give them a chance there, and they will continue there let them somehow figure out whether they are ukrainian orthodox or not ukrainian, although at the head of this orthodox church in... but i want to emphasize that you can not go to the moscow priests in the church. but

having a moscow app in your pocket, i don’t know what’s more dangerous, it’s a harsh truth of life, and you have to face it straight in the eyes, thank you, and we have to tell each other the truth, about the fact that in ukraine 80% of people are using a hostile, hostile product that is destroying our state and our country and our, our nation, mr. nikyto, mr. nikyto. give, give the opportunity to tell the truth, the whole truth to oleksiy kucherenko, because oleksiy kucherenko, he said that he uses telegram, the problem, which problem we are discussing, remind me, the problem of the existence of telegram in ukraine and influence through telegram, opened telegram, zelensky official, 735,415 subscribers, yesterday's news about the attacks, about people being saved, this channel is run

by president zelensky very carefully, yesterday, the photos are great, the president's office, well, i think that if i listened to the fiery fiery speech of mr. poturaev, he a very famous agitator, propagandist, such, well, there is no doubt about the best traditions there, as the head of the specialized committee, he has every opportunity to hold a relevant meeting. and in the case of a positive decision to officially, openly, honestly, honestly, as well as courageously, resolutely appeal to president zelensky with a proposal that he close his telegram channel, stop using it and set an example for all ukrainians, this will be the most correct act in this situation, in my opinion, why the resolution that such a step is a resolution of the verkhovna rada on addressing the nsdc with reason shutting down these social networks, that's

the fastest way, and it's definitely very radical, and it exists today, parliament is one of the four bodies that can initiate this decision, so if we have that kind of consensus here with the party in power, i think we can hope , that this will be poured into some specific decisions, i think it will be a fun discussion in the hall of the verkhovna rada, a very fun discussion, believe me, people, people... well, vkontakte classmates were closed by the decision of the nsdc, that’s right, ms. victoria, by the decision nsdc, the point is that the national council security can impose sanctions in the form of restricting the work of one or another media, and in particular a social network, but then the subject of the submission was the security service of ukraine, but the parliament is also the subject of the submission regarding the imposition of sanctions, so it depends on who will take this responsibility , actually, to talk about it, but i'm listening today.

the president's press conference, he said that he is against harsh methods, so let's speak objectively, we have three ways: do nothing, and this is true, i agree with nikita here, this is absolutely an unacceptable option, because... to be honest, we look impotent if we loudly declare here that let's all stop using, but people will use, it's obvious, everyone is already used to it, a lot of information and spoiled by this information, sorry, but ukrainian the special services, which transferred the main information about, in particular, the same missile strikes, that is, it is the main, key one there, it should be transferred to other sites that are normal, which the state should organize, yes , to begin with, so that people there are millions people were simply not forced to ... through telegram to track people flying at them or at them, the second point, you don’t need to use it as a tool, forgive the casting of fakes, well, it’s just a very convenient tool, and let’s be honest, that anonymous telegram channels are used today, well, we also understand by whom and in whose interests, i will not

actively spread about it now, and therefore we have a second way, it is to follow the path, as i said , the resolution of the verkhovna rada, in particular, the appeal to the nsdc, the closure, here there must be the will of the national security council, or? such a will, i don’t know, i didn’t hear it today, well, there is a third way that the parliament itself can follow, it really is by passing a bill that can be made tougher, i agree, but mykola knyazhytskyi’s bill is not bad, because it introduces telegram the same norms that exist today regarding television in particular, that is, how the state regulates television, the state says, i want to know who the owner is, this owner must be identified, he must be understood, notified to people, i want to know who works in the editorial office directly. where am i i can contact you if i believe that false information has been spread against me, and i want to understand in general what funds these or other telegram channels are financed with, because it’s no secret that today, you know, you can order any jeans there, you can on any of your competitors, you can post anything you want, paying in cryptocurrencies, and in fact you

don’t even contact those who will post that information, you don’t need to contact the editors for this, you can just throw money at the cryptocurrency exchange and mostly that’s it happening, this bench you... excuse the wild fake news, wild propaganda, drug trade and other unnecessary things, but it must be covered, and what knyazhytsky proposed, well, it is such a way there, we can make it just a clearly working tool, if there is no today, there is no political will to close, well, let's hope that this topic will continue to develop, let's not drag it out for a long time, thank you for discussing the topic of the telegram, because we really need to consider the draft law and then... decide in the parliamentary hall or turn to the council of national security and defense, if there are relevant conclusions of the ukrainian special services, the security service of ukraine, first of all. next, we will talk about how the russian federation is currently trying to destroy the energy system of ukraine, this is an important

issue in fact, and obviously, it will be relevant throughout the entire period, the next period of the russian-ukrainian war. denis sh of ukraine says that thanks to two levels of protection, the ukrainian energy industry lost little, little equipment during yesterday's airstrike, although the enemy used cluster missiles for the first time ammunition let's listen to what the head of the ukrainian government said. according to the distribution, the objects were mostly hit by drones, there were no rocket strikes, because it was economically impractical for the enemy. yesterday, by the way, the first ones took place... with rockets, but they were rockets with cluster ammunition, not the daggers with which our substations and distribution stations were attacked. accordingly, yesterday, it was dozens of rockets that attacked the substations, we lost a very small

amount of our equipment from dozens of strikes, thanks to the first and second level of protection. mr. oleksiy, how are you? a person who knows for sure what is happening in ukrainian. of energy and have experience in managing the housing and communal economy and the country and know this whole system, what can you say, what solutions are currently lacking or what actions are lacking for the ukrainian authorities, or from the ukrainian authorities so that we clearly understand that we will be waiting for you in november, december, january, february, look, full information, well, no one has, i think that even... or there, i understand how information is circulated in the government, absolutely not the fact that the prime minister knows exactly about the level of readiness of the cichrites, about their quality, how much they protected and so on, there was a very complicated scheme of financing, control and so on, nevertheless, this strike is very non-trivial, it is

the first of its kind, despite to the fact that they were more powerful, but the fact that it is such a combined 236 - er, drone missile, of which 129 missiles, 107 drones, unmanned aerial vehicles, 201 were shot down, but 35 caused this much damage, so sorry, well... when the prime minister still says that the consequences are small, well, not small, you know you see what the situation is, the country was on the verge of a blackout, because they really struck, you can see this at the distribution substation on the kyiv hess, they struck the vyshhorod dam there, the dam was not damaged, i want to reassure you, it is there , well, it is impossible, in fact, something is wrong with it to make such blows with it, it's all nonsense, but this equipment was damaged, and... but i agree on one thing, well, yes, we see that it is a pile of iron, but in fact, the energy workers

can quickly enough replace or repair what can be repaired, and i can reassure ukrainians now that this is actually 99% information, that in literally a day or two the schedules will be quite tight, well , one day, one day, then the schedules will be shut down for two shifts and until the end of the week. uh, the consequences will be eliminated, this is certainly positive, the prime minister said correctly that these were missile strikes with these cluster heads, that is, they were hit with metal balls, and he protected against this, well , first of all, the second, second degree of protection, these are such bunkers concrete over the transformers that were built, where they were not, there were damage, but, but i draw your attention, even about 35, respectively, missiles and uavs. broke through, that is, well, well, it’s like 10%, yes, but they

caused such damage that a week, the country is a sausage, yes, it’s in the summer, it’s so far ugh-ugh-ugh, but it’s such a very serious warning that well, in winter , you understand, there may be deeper consequences, moreover, i repeat, there could be a blackout, that is , the distribution of the single energy system to a part, to the islands, were close to the fact that the energy industry was working on what to do, well, the same thing, what they did, less stealing in the shelter, in the shelters, if it is possible, to build these groin fortifications, the main thing, of course, is if what president zelenskyi says is possible to strengthen the patriots, i believe that five patriots would radically change the situation in terms of power, reliability of defense, and this is a super-task, i i think... the president understands this well, all diplomats understand this, we need to work titanically here, because it is

air defense that is 90% of the barrier, well , the normal passage of winter, 10% is what the energy workers, utility workers do, they do their job , they have the bulk of the current ones problems, financial, debt and so on and the like, but they are used to it, so they will fulfill their mission, somehow, thank you. mr. oleksiy, mr. nikita, do our western partners understand the importance of the challenges we face, given the fact that winter is ahead and it will obviously be quite a difficult winter, and president zelensky keeps saying, give us more air defense, give us opportunities , give us such resources that would allow us to overcome this energy terror of the russian federation, and... what is the way this energy terror, how can it be avoided this energy terror? well, first of all, i want

to support mr. oleksiy, he gave an absolutely comprehensive picture and an excellent analysis, concise, and i urge all viewers to listen to what mr. oleksiy said now, including paying attention to the details regarding hydroelectric power plants and substations and so on, with the exception of the fact that mr. oleksii, as a representative of the opposition, well, he says that there is stealing somewhere. well , it would be nice to give some examples, it is not necessary to do it now, maybe in the parliament, because i have not heard of such examples, on the contrary, we see that on the contrary, on the contrary, we see, on the contrary, we see that even with the insane amount, the insane amount, which mr. oleksiy cited, absolutely correctly, of hostile means of impression that attacked ukraine, that... with light, it is a miracle in general, this, and it's a testament to how much has been done, of course, that

there's still a lot to do because our power system, it's huge, it's unfortunately vulnerable, and what we have now after such a frenzied light attack is, again, this is unprecedented, and now what to do next, and do the partners realize, well, look, at one time yurii butusa, whose competence i never doubted. one day i calculated that for the complete protection of the skies of ukraine, 32 batteries are needed, patriots, or analogues, do we have 32 batteries. these are not divisions, i want to emphasize, well, at the moment , of course, there are none, and our air defense and anti-missile systems , in addition to energy facilities, they should also cover military industry facilities, we must understand this, because we produce a lot of things ourselves, moreover, we produce such things that our allies do not give us, and this must be continued

to produce, and in order to continue to produce, it is necessary to protect, and of course, as mr. oleksiy rightly said, president zelensky is constantly... subterfuge and constantly calls on the western allies to cover the sky more reliably, or at least start to protect the ukrainian sky together with us, not pretending that rockets and missiles do not fly into the territory of romania, romania, rockets and missiles do not fly into the territory of poland, but together with us cover at least the western part of the ukrainian sky, which would greatly improve our would the situation, and also... and also give us more air defense and anti-missile defense means, and in fact, in fact, this is a very simple solution, we have to continue, as mr. oleksiy kusharenko said, to do what is already being done in energy, to cover our ob objects, and we must, we must persistently, i will say so correctly, ask, but very persistently,

the allies to give us more means of victory, that's all, nothing more is really needed. thank you, mr. nikita, i understand, mr. oleksiy, did you want to mention the deputy minister of energy or not, i even, you read it, well, i won't even beat you with it, because well, the next deputy, unfortunately, i 'm worried, because it hits the energy sector, you understand, it hits all the energy sectors in general, and there are three skandava, there is not one, unfortunately, unfortunately, let the investigation work, nikita, i am appealing to you. and by the way, to mrs. victoria, because i also approached pyotr oleksiiovych, i offered him to do such a thing, look, i myself do not like this constant use, steal, steal, steal, steal, well, unfortunately, eh, there are simple ukrainians there, they like to believe in this, and believe me, well, the government, unfortunately, both this one and the previous one, and the previous one, give them reasons all the time, well, it’s true, this is reality, i’m

addressing you openly, like a decent , open, open professions. i don't know, with my experience, i personally don't know any other mechanism for checking the effectiveness of the use of budget funds than the audit of the chamber of accounts, this is a constitutional body, it is written in all the laws what it should do, well, this body issues a verdict. how effectively the money was used, we asked tymoshenko 3 months ago to the accounts... pischanska's chamber with a request to include the inspection, audit, this energy facility, the plan and schedule of their work for this year, pischanska answered us that they, they do not have labor resources, this letter, by the way, is laid out i have it on my page, you can look, i tell you, there are no labor resources, so they consider, they are not considered,

it is necessary to include in the schedule such a powerful audit, which would take off today. the question of trust or distrust in terms of energy in the authorities, you understand, well, let's support ours appeal, this, and let the pishchanska and accounts chamber conduct this audit for us, maybe in closed mode, they will make a report, we will listen and shake hands with each other, maybe i am wrong, maybe they are stealing on these fortifications, on these ee ... shelters and so on, well, for some reason, unfortunately, i have such information, and i, unfortunately, assume such a possibility of abuse, let's call it that, abuse and inefficient use of funds, so let's somehow move transparently so that people to people's trust has returned, because today this is a key issue, trust in the authorities and to the energy sector, including, thank you, ms.

victoria, how to restore trust in the authorities and in the energy sector and in the energy sector, the energy sector proves. those who work in energy companies prove themselves every day and overcome difficulties every week, but we are talking about those who manage this large energy complex. you know, i also think that no tools of transparency, i agree with mr. kochurenka, will not be superfluous, from the accounting audit to such a tool as the parliamentary temporary investigative commission, which could listen to all this information people want to know the truth, we do, by the way. kubrakov and nayem were summoned to the anti-corruption committee regarding the protection of energy facilities, they wrote a letter signed by all my colleagues from the homeland, from the people's servants from the committee. and somehow it coincided that these persons were actually released, they were responsible for the construction of these protective structures there, to

understand how much money was allocated, whether it is really 10%, as is now heard in the mass media, or more, about what are the amounts in question, how much were they purchased for? materials, in fact, it is really necessary to give people a report that the state has done everything, that everything that it could actually, yes, i think that communication with... we from the government today is extremely important, i will allow myself there, for example, some such things, in particular, i spoke with several mayors today, precisely on this matter, and i asked there about critical infrastructure objects, to what extent they, well, can be provided with autonomous power systems, i was told, you know, almost all of our objects of critical infrastructure in regional cities importance, they have generators, and these generators are provided by our foreign partners, in particular, we must of course check the setup there, how many are there, understand where we will get funds, how much

money we have for fuel, there on these generators, but it needs to be done, i know that several cities have installed autonomous systems, that is, they have actually made gas cogeneration, it is not a secret there, but for such important nodes that deal with water supply and drainage in large cities, and i think that the government should actually talk to household owners about the fact that today there are these zero loans for installing solar panels, wind generation, everything that can actually cover, maybe small needs, but give the opportunity to create autonomous generation, including that, such an honest conversation is transparent, it is absolutely ripe today, yes, because you know, they told me: we are also ready, indeed, in a few days we will overcome the consequences of this shelling, i say, and how likely, and they say, and they are ready to come winter, if there are no new ones shelling, i asked which one

the probability that there will be no new shelling, well, and everyone says, it really is, it is low, because the tactics of the enemy have been quite clear for a long time, if we understand these tactics of the enemy, let's prepare, let's talk, let's stimulate people, actually become autonomous and in this sense, it is certainly not... the solution to all problems is unambiguous, but it is certainly not as global as the protection of the entire power grid, with air defense systems, but this is one of the ways, and it is necessary to communicate with people, with ukrainians already now, with small businesses. thank you, mrs. victoria, and a very short topic, literally, i want you to share your impressions about the flight of your colleague artem dmytruk abroad, because such a topic is not at all clear. they had to announce a criminal suspicion to a person, he seemed to know about it and apparently somewhere he was taken abroad there to moldova, then he fled to italy,

a person who was elected in a single-mandate district, but with the support of the servant of the people and was a member of the team of the servant of the people, vatnyk , a person who always defended the uoc mp, mr. nikyto, ot what do you think, how or who, who did not work so effectively in order to, dmytro. give dmytrukov, dmytruka dmytrukov. look, you were there for the first time, there was a question at the beginning of why the government is not cleaning itself well, i want to say that artem dmytruk is no longer a member of the servant of the people faction, like many other respected or not so respected former colleagues of ours , so it cannot be said that we do not deal with it, and secondly, i do not know, and i believe that... here, the competent authorities should give an assessment of what happened there at the border, i want to say only one thing: i, as a people's deputy of ukraine, as a representative

of the ruling party, as the head of the parliamentary delegation of the verkhovna rada of ukraine to the osce, they spend more time on my passport at the border than on the passports of our compatriots and citizens, and if i go there because of... a car break, then i stand at the border for half an hour, and i am happy for the ukrainians who pass the same way there in 15 minutes, well , if you do not take into account the queue, if there is a queue for the point before, in itself all the formalities, well, for me personally , i personally feel very uncomfortable that i or there are mine colleagues, there is viktoria or oleksiy. er, mr. oleksiy, ms. victoria, if they drive that we pass, er, we understand, well , i understand why we have to pass it, i understand, but i feel very unpleasant when we

pass. such a translation is long, someone just takes it and just runs away, and now he will continue to conduct it, i am absolutely sure of this, he will continue to conduct anti-ukrainian campaigns there, thank you, ms. viktoria, if possible briefly, because there is not so much time, literally 30 seconds, what can i say here, well, listen, i think everything to everyone it is clear about dmytrouk, for example. it is a great pity, by the way, he became famous, i made him famous in the 19th year, he sat in front of me and constantly shut me down when i said something, commented on the speeches in the parliament, i did not understand who he was, they told me that he is the owner of a sports club from odesa, then his position on the russian orthodox church was obvious, then he decided, you know, to become a refugee and, mr. oleksiy, very briefly, because literally 20 seconds remain with us, well, as it turned out,

it was confirmed. leaky and it's cheeky you understand, against the background of what is happening cynically, well, now, i hope, they will find, but one thing annoys me, there is no answer, why he is suspected for an obvious crime, they began to imitate this handing over, well, only in the last days, when he was completely messing around there there, thank you, there are really many questions, oleksiy kucherenko, viktoriya syumar and nikita poturaev were guests of our program today, thank you ladies and gentlemen for participating in the program. i will remind you that throughout the broadcast we conducted a survey, asking you about the following: have you encountered hostile propaganda in telegram? so, please put the results of our tv poll on the screen. 63% - yes, 37% no. this was the program verdict preview serhii rudenko, goodbye.

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