i would say that the dynamics are there, they are positive, unfortunately, they are not what we need, because we want everything to be much faster, there are limitations and financial limitations, the state does not have enough money to finance, so on programs in full, within the time limits, and yet i can say that the problem is with the staff from the school. because ukraine has not had a munitions industry as such recently, and rocketry is a new tick, so it is necessary to essentially form a school from scratch, gain knowledge and independently carry out the tasks that are defined in these fields, nevertheless, there are already positive results, according to some calibers , a stable volume of supply has already been reached, of course it does not meet our needs during the period of active ...

during the war, but the dynamics in general positive, and what we see in terms of the missile program, what the president announced, and there is a ballistic missile, and conventional cruise missiles, there too, the dynamics are present, unfortunately, the terms that were determined at the beginning of the active phase of the war, they have been disrupted , they are continued, nevertheless, now he is actively engaged in relevant enterprises and state institutions, mr. in order to catch up with the deadlines and provide the army with precisely these weapons of military equipment. mr. ihor, we are aware of the situation when on the one hand promises to build a plant for the production of ammunition in ukraine. recently, there was information that norway allowed or even transferred licenses for the production of 155 mm ammunition for ukraine. how much it speeds up our acquisition of new competencies, how much it somehow allows us to speed up.

munitions manufacturing process, taking into account that in the last 10 years we have hardly manufactured ammunition, the most efficient, fastest way is really to cooperate with one of the global players in this market, either renmetal or namma, who have the license, the experience, who can quickly to train and provide the necessary knowledge to our employees, who, from my point of view , have. undergo an internship at the enterprises of these companies in order to apply this knowledge here. 155th caliber, a rather specific caliber, there are two ways, or independently to invent a rover or get a license and under the supervision, under the supervision of specialists who systematically produce tens of thousands of such calibers, master production here. without a doubt, this is the best, most effective way. acquisition of relevant

competences, and we understand that ammunition is now exposed to a problem related to the lack of tnt there, the lack of gunpowder and so on, doesn't this mean that in parallel we still have to develop our chemical industry, if at least to fill these key gaps at their own expense possibilities, as realistic as it is, as ukraine has shown, nothing is impossible for ukraine and ukrainians, that is why it is a reality. technically, but step by step, first, in my opinion, you need to master projectile cases, filling, then the next step is to master explosives, gunpowder, but here the issue is more access to raw materials, if we are talking about gunpowder, it is cellulose, nitrocellulose , acids and so on, there is a shortage of these raw materials in the world, this is a market where you have to fight for your quota, but nevertheless... less such a goal

you have to set yourself, this is not a quickly achievable goal, i think somewhere two or three years to build a full cycle with stable funding, these are achievable realistic numbers to have a closed cycle of ammunition production. is it necessary to solve the security issues of such enterprises in parallel, understanding the risks from the enemy, well, actually. how will it be possible to protect such enterprises from the russian threat? our partners are foreign, they say that they are concerned about three issues and all three issues are related to security: the first is security is physical, conditionally, they built a factory, arrived, destroyed production capacity there. the second is the issue of protection and security of intellectual property, because there are risks that these logical solutions or know-how

may be lost for these companies and end up in countries, say, unfriendly now to ukraine, to our strategic partners . and the third issue of security is the issue of investment protection. unfortunately, our partners see that, what is happening in our law enforcement and judicial system, there is no special trust, therefore, in all three of these directions, it is necessary to build such conditions that are attractive for our partners, for those who are ready to invest, either financial resources or intellectual. we have a little delay, i will remind you that this is ihor fomenko, the general director of the federation of employers of ukraine in the field of defense, if we have a connection now, then we will resume the conversation, if not, then we are currently trying

to establish a connection, and i will remind you that we now have many foreign companies that want to develop production in ukraine, but we see. that ihor fomenko named three deterrents factors that in a certain way influence the optimism of our partners. i, mr. igor, if you can hear us now, i would like to say that it is possible to say that these three problems that you mentioned are actually such a certain brake for more foreign companies to enter ukraine and really try here to create a platform and transfer to us new competences that are extremely important to us for... the development of our defense industry, without an answer to these three questions, the risks that investors will come to ukraine are great, that is, these issues need to be resolved, we must, during any negotiations with our

potential investor partners, have an answer as to how we resolve these three issues: physical security, protection of intellectual property, protection of investments that will be received. to ukraine, and then there is a parallel story, when our companies that produce technological weapons want to go outside ukraine, open joint ventures or their own facilities there, and sometimes it seems that they are running away from our law enforcement agencies bodies and from our unpredictability regarding orders and pricing, is it possible to consider that these risks really need to be reduced as well, so that our ukrainian companies work more in ukraine itself? i would say that these are not risks, this is already, unfortunately, what we have, there are several large companies that are already relocating from the territory of ukraine, that are already building production capacities in other

countries, under different legislation, therefore this trend is on the rise, sorry for the taftology. that is, it is the same as the practical one point of view, this is already happening, that is why the task of the state of our government is to ensure that intellectual property, so that professional personnel, people who invest in development, mainly private business, so that they remain in ukraine, register intellectual property here, and here provided the needs of the armed forces of ukraine. not by import, we bought the same developments at a different price, but to have it inside the country. unfortunately, this is the existing practice today. mr. igor, thank you very much for the inclusion, i hope that you, your experience will be extremely useful in the new position, as the general

director of the federation of employers of ukraine in the field of defense. let me remind you that it was ihor fomenko. these were the main results of the day, and vasyl will continue the broadcast. so stay tuned to the espresso channel. thank you serhii othorts, thank you to his guest, i just heard the information from the wall street journal, it is already covered with details that on august 26 there was an aircraft wreckage, the pilot died, and the ukrainian f-16 fighter was destroyed, which arrived at of ukraine. the forces clarified that information about the event will be reported later, it was found that this plane was able to shoot down three missiles, one shahet, what happened next and what was the cause of this plane wreck is currently unknown, and the wall street journal provides this information with

a link on high-ranking officials in the united states of america, this is war, of course, but unfortunately, well, again, they are already writing the name, the pilot, but i will wait for the official information and... whoever wrote what, of course, he knew it there , that, well, but we, let's go we will wait for official information, we will learn the details of this story, which happened in any case. thanks to this soldier who fought against enemy missiles in the sky over ukraine, and i think, i don't think, i'm sure, saved more than one civilian life. today, august 29, is the day of remembrance of the fallen defenders of ukraine, who gave their lives in the fight for us and you, for ukraine, for the independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity of our state. let's just be silent for literally 5 seconds and pay our respects to it. heroes thank you. i think that at this moment each

of you remembered at least one face, one name of someone you knew, of whom you knew, and who is no longer with us, but, but who gave us the opportunity to continue today, again, not just to live, but to continue this struggle. and in order for this struggle to be more effective, we announce meetings in which you actively participate and we have the opportunity. to hand over to the army what it asks for, not all, but even that part which, for which we gather, it, it matters at the front. so now, the espresso tv channel and the vesna charitable fund continue fundraising for the purchase of modern drones and electronic warfare systems for the third separate assault brigade, as well as for the 110th and 47th mechanized brigades of the armed forces of ukraine. the defenders on the difficult donetsk route hold back enemy attacks every day, defend our freedom and future. it was these soldiers who stood before... him and defended the avdiiv direction in the spring. the brigades urgently need flying weapons and

modern means of countering enemy drones. our goal is uah 3.5 million. join the gathering. you can see all the details on the screen. and today is also the 10th anniversary of the ilovai tragedy. we will have the opportunity to communicate with our soldier, zahy'. who was there then, and we will talk with him about that day, about that time, and now we have a plot for your attention: the third year of the full-scale russian invasion of ukraine, each of us is directly or indirectly involved in this war, but it started much earlier : 10 years ago, after the illegal annexation of the crimean peninsula, russian mercenaries led by fsb officers began an operation to seize power in the donetsk and luhansk regions, simulating it as an uprising. of the free population against the pro-european authorities in kyiv on august 14 , one of

the most terrible battles for the ukrainian army in the war in donbas unfolded near the city of ilovaisk. let's remember these events on the air in the plot. it took time for the command of the armed forces of ukraine and security forces to recover from the revolution of dignity, and already in the summer of 2014 , the anti-terrorist operation to liberate donbas gained momentum. the occupiers were expelled from lysychchanska, severodonetsk, mariupol. let's beat, let's beat. heroes, heroes! the climax was the battle for ilovaisk. in

early august, volunteer battalions of the national guard and the armed forces of ukraine surrounded the militants in the city. on the 18th, a part of lovaisk was liberated. russian fighters lacked the strength to hold back the offensive, so the kremlin openly entered the war for the first time. on august 23, before the independence day of ukraine, the occupier. crossed the border and entered the rear of our troops. the invasion forces were unprecedentedly large on that period of war. according to official data , the russian group had 35 people, up to 60 tanks, more than 300 combat vehicles, more than 100 guns and mortars, as well as five anti-tank missile systems. the ukrainian defenders found themselves literally in a trap, in front of the fighters of the so-called dpr, behind. regular troops of russia. on august 24

, units of the 92nd brigade and the 42nd teroborona battalion were sent to help our surrounded soldiers. the detachments were destroyed by russian artillery. for five days, the ukrainian defenders were under intense enemy fire. russians they used everything they had, tanks, mortars, hailstones. on august 28 , the then commander-in-chief of victor muzhenko of the forces of ukraine began negotiations with the russian military command about the withdrawal of ukrainian troops from olovaisk, 12 phone conversations, constant changes in time and conditions. the invaders deliberately delayed the arrangement of tactically advantageous positions. in the end, russia agreed to the conditions for the withdrawal of our troops, the safe withdrawal of the army from the encirclement was guaranteed. on august 29, ukrainian fighters began to go out along the agreed green corridors, walking in twos

columns and contrary to the agreements, the russians opened three-target fire on the columns. according to official data, 36 ukrainian soldiers were treacherously killed, 429 were wounded, and 300 were captured. espresso journalist yehor vorobyov was among the prisoners. for 38 days, hired fighters of the so-called dpr destroyed our colleague, he was tortured and beaten with an ax, broken in two places. pulled his hand, at least four of the prisoners, not receiving proper medical care, died from their wounds. only a small part of our fighters managed to get out of the olovai cauldron, but the ukrainian military and journalists in the encirclement managed to collect evidence of the presence of regular russian troops. here is the indisputable proof that

russian armored vehicles and russian troops are here, this is the packing list. with a seal, in russian, i won't take it off, no, here are russian uniforms, a first-aid kit. the long investigation into the causes of the tragedy ended in 2020, more than 900 interrogations of victims and witnesses, 600 examined documents, the verdict of the prosecutor general's office was obvious, the russian federation is guilty. in addition, the investigation established a number of violations of on the part of the leadership of the ato, which did not... conceal intelligence data and dynamic changes in the operational situation. ukraine sent the collected evidence to the international criminal court. the ilovakia cauldron remains a demonstrative example of russia's treachery and proves the true cost of any deals with this country. well, then, we will talk with yehor

vorovyov, who was actually discussed in this plot, and a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine. a journalist and someone who was in captivity, as they say, felt it on his own soul, on his own skin and on his own psyche, also yehor, congratulations, glory to ukraine, congratulations, heroes, glory, you know where i will start, i think you also watched the plot during the broadcast, if we talk about those events today, but... i, i wonder, simply, what kind of emotions does it cause, why is it important to remember it today, the most important thing is to remember the heroes who gave their lives then, who even in such and such a situation, well, critical, vile from the enemy, continued to fight, and inflicting if possible, defeat the enemy and still get out, of course, having lost a lot of comrades in that war

that battle, so i want your emotions and importance. remember? it is important to remember, if only for the sake of not repeating the mistakes that were made, because those who do not remember their history are doomed to repeat it again, and now the intensity of the war is much higher, the war is much more. it is more complicated than then, more large calibers are used, aviation works, but the principle remains the same, we do everything possible and often impossible to defend it on our land, that is why

the memory of what happened then, despite to the fact that now... is much more complicated, it is still important, precisely in order to understand that the principle is the same, and we must remember and not repeat the mistakes of the past, by the way, the cameraman taras chkan, who is with me was, he is also now in the army, but now the truth is that he is in the hospital, yes. it is also important for understanding, you know, i talked with the military, who were coming out of ilovaisk at that time. it's just, you know, today we were lost in front of ether, as it is called, well, it's a tragedy, because ukrainian soldiers died, but is it possible to write the ilovei cauldron

it is called so because, on the other hand, the armed forces of ukraine, despite the fact that the russians said to surrender their weapons, came out with weapons, and despite the fact that the russians had fortified, targeted positions, of course, it was much easier for them to lead, well this it's not called combat, it's called mean shooting. the military, who actually believed you, but also tried to strike back, because that is why it can also be called a battle, at the same time, as today you call what happened at the exit from ilovaisk, well , of course, there were battles in ilovaisk, maybe for in military terminology, it can be called a cauldron, but it seems to me that it is certainly possible to talk about it in a different way, because it should not overshadow the heroism, professionalism and... those soldiers who, despite such a critical situation, gave battle to the enemy and came out with weapons and they went out, most importantly, well

, you can call it a cauldron, since it was a complete encirclement, and well, the battle was during the exit, they did not go out in battle order, they went out in transport order, so ... and already from it they deployed in battle order, accepted the battle, that's why it's definitely heroism, because no one is laid down the weapon, there is, well, there is still no data, as far as i know, that there was a hundred percent agreement, well, but what we were told that we would leave, we heard, and then the fire was opened. well, no one was going to assemble the weapons, and i think that if we went out exactly - in order of battle, then it

would have been more effective, the breakthrough of the groups would have been more effective, and today i saw such a photo , well, not the first time i saw it today, but today again someone... reposted it somewhere at some stop in the zone war inscription: "god will never forgive the armed forces". now i am not saying that you should take revenge on the enemy for ilovatsk, make some kind of cauldron for the enemy, or somehow do it specifically, but in any case, i think that the best revenge is not to give the enemy the opportunity to never repeat something like this again , and put him in such conditions that he then put the armed forces of ukraine, but... this desire for revenge, this is a normal story in the war, by the way, this is not a call to violence, it is nothing like that, this is a normal story in the war, ago that you are being killed and you should kill more, it is simply a matter of survival, but for you,

the question of the fact that the russians should be punished individually, maybe in court one day this will be discussed in an international tribunal, but i think that the court it is much more effective on the battlefield, it does not matter that the russians should still be punished for ilovaisk. whether those who organized it or someone else, the point is not that it is russia as an aggressor country, as a vile army, vile officers, vile military command, and therefore a vile state and vile, as the russians themselves say, narodizhka, because somehow it cannot be called anything else, well, that's exactly it, they don't really believe in justice, let's put it this way. judicial proceedings, if it will even be such, regarding all the crimes of russia, and in general,

it seems to me more adequate, it will be simply the destruction of the empire that exists at the moment, because if it is not destroyed, but left in this ... in the form , as it is, even there according to the courts, to force them to pay some reparations, it’s all the same, it’s just delaying time and the war will happen again, clearly victory has to be, this is the complete destruction of the russian federation, today i saw the morning from... well, that's how simple a person wrote on a social network, he also came from ilovaisk and he says that when i walk the white walls of memory are on this. walls

around the mykhailiv gold mine, there is no more room there, but he says: i remember, when i see the faces of those soldiers who remained on the road from ilovaisk, who died, he says: i remember them, they are still alive for me, if we talk about your memories, about when the city was surrounded and battles were going on, so what do you remember, because you know, people who, let's say no... in the war, may still be, we don't know how long this war will last, so everyone should understand, well at least men, that there may still be, and that's why it's important to understand emotions, condition and memory, and when talking about ilovaisk, about the soldiers, about those who stayed there, well, actually, who died, what comes to your mind, well, it's difficult to say that, because i have now there are...

much fresher events, and if they supplant the old ones, well, besides, it's work, and you have to treat work a little like this, it's cold, let's say so, that's why some special ones, well , i remember, that's what i remember, i remember the boy. who were with us, who died, who are still fighting now, uh, because when the full-scale war began, many of those who left ilovaisk had already died, unfortunately, i remember them, but the emotions from about the war, about those events, they have already been overwritten

by... new, new events, new operations, let's say it like this, thank you very much , yehor, for joining, and thank you for your work, first of all, yehor vorobyov, serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine, journalist about what happened 10 years ago, the ilovai tragedy, and in memories, in memory, in emotions, and i wanted to ask, but i didn't ask, i think that this is one of those moments that finally well maybe someone in minsk was like this, who finally killed this myth about the brotherly russian people and the army, which simply came here not to touch anyone and to act according to some principles of war. then, i think, in ilovaisk, it became clear, the biggest and most important thing that gives ukrainians a chance to win this war, which is to believe in russia you can never under any circumstances, it is a nation or it is a birth, which lives according to its distorted morals, and what is normal for us

is not normal for them. that for us is not normal, for them it is exactly as it should be, and now i have one more piece of information for you, before we move on to the news, the days of commemoration of the heroes of the ilovaisk battle of the 14th year, i like that the very word a battle, although it is a cauldron on the one hand, yes, but it was also a battle, as yehor said, that is the name of the new photo exhibition dedicated to the tenth anniversary of the withdrawal of ukrainian troops from ilovaisk, what was called the green corridor, contrary to the agreements with the russian general staff, turned into... the road of death. the russians shot ukrainian soldiers and volunteers who tried to escape from the encirclement. an exhibition with photos of those events was opened on mykhailivska square. you can view the photos until september 22. this is one of the most difficult pages in my life. it gave me a lot of brothers, many friends, of

whom i... would never have met, never seen, unfortunately, this great sadness, it is impossible to express in a few words what ilovaisk is, unfortunately, the participants of those events that began in 2014, they are no longer there, so that history, those experiences, those combat actions, those local combat actions, how to take ilovaisk, dap, savur, grave, history, she dies. and today, our state needs it, our state really needs it, literally in a moment, i will tell you about what happened on this day. good evening, we are from ukraine. they gave the most valuable thing to their homeland, their own lives, today we celebrate the day.