a large-scale invasion of thousands of ukrainians killed, priests killed, by the way, the blessing of the moscow church, the weapons with which ukrainians were killed, all this did not immediately give a decision to ban this church in ukraine, why could not all this be born for so long, why could not they simply unequivocally put a full stop, and besides, in your opinion, people who... will get rid of this moscow word, they will be tormented by its absence for a long time, as they say, or they, if they want god, they will come to you, to epiphanius, to other priests and i will listen to the word of god, everything will be fine. well, you see, the spiritual enslavement of ukraine began immediately after the russian empire began to colonize step by step. e-e

territory of ukraine, starting from the 17th century. the history of our church is a vivid example here. step by step, as soon as russia, the russian empire annexed new ukrainian lands, it began to destroy our churches. and so the final destruction of our church in the then russian... borders took place in 1839, er, and it is obvious that then russia tried er to russify this territory with the help of various symbols, even monuments, everything possible was used in order to approve this, you know, this, well, simply murderous ideology. orthodoxy,

autocracy, nationalism, and even then, the russian imperial authorities saw the church as an instrument of enslavement, and i am very sorry to say this, as a person who represents the church, it was such, i would say, a shameless instrumentalization of the church in the name of imperial interests, and then it is obvious. that church that even lost the right to have its own patriarch, it turned into a department of the state machine. metropolitan andrey sheptytskyi called it a kazon orthodoxy. it was obvious that there was a minimum of spirituality and religion, and a maximum of loyalty and this kind of state control over the conscience of millions.

uh, people, for example, when this autocracy fell, during the february revolution of the 17th year, i remember these statistics, when for the first time, during the first world war, uh, russian soldiers at the front did not have to it is necessary to go to confession, because by this time everyone had to go to confession and from the father receive a certificate of benevolence. ugh, and here for the first time there is no king, and there is no longer such a duty. actually, then in the 17th year before easter in the russian army , only a couple of percent of the soldiers went to confession, and this caused a huge collapse of the ability of this church to control people's consciences at that time, and then everything faded away, that is, with the speed of a snowman's dream... whoa, who simply washed away this

church, later in the bolshevik revolution. unfortunately, all those consequences were fully felt by ukrainians. in particular, when stalin revived the instrument of manipulation of religious feelings of believers in the soviet union, reviving russian orthodoxy. having concluded a cooperation agreement with her. having nurtured it, then it became a tool of the communist regime, not the tsarist one, as it was not surprising to us, i remember my childhood, seeing orthodox fathers with communist awards, and then the bishops of the russian orthodox church received state awards for closing churches, their own , ugh, we are then children of the underground persecuted church. they looked at it, well,

really with horror, and that's when ukraine became independent, this independence nevertheless began to demand. certain changes, we all today remember and know the term decommunization, so it spontaneously began to happen in western ukraine, that fall of lenin happened back in the 90s, here, but unfortunately, central eastern and southern ukraine lived according to other rhythms, and that's when the whole neo...colonial face of the russian government and the face of the moscow patriarchate appeared in ukraine, then the ukrainian people demanded

the decommunization of even moscow orthodoxy on the territory of ukraine. i don't want any more to enter into the analysis of these processes, because i can be accused of interfering with internal orthodoxy. some kind of events, but these are more political events, an ordinary citizen of ukraine at a certain moment said to himself, well, enough is enough to fool us, and it is obvious that today the ukrainian state feels its duty, in particular, in the conditions of a full-scale invasion, to take care of state security, even when it comes to threats to state security. which, therefore, come from the bosom of adherents of moscow orthodoxy in ukraine, therefore, i think we should all be honest, honest before our own conscience, before the lord god and before the ukrainian people,

if we really seek god and want to live a spiritual life, then this will be the road to liberation, to freedom. even to the decommunization of the church, even to the new demands that today's ukrainian believers make of their spiritual leaders, i can say this not only about the believers of the orthodox churches, but also about the believers of our church, protestants and other churches, that is, we want to be a free people , and the church as environments... liberation here must fulfill its mission in new historical circumstances, you know, i remember such two moments that i witnessed in 1990 there, in my opinion, it was the first year or so, somewhere at the very beginning of independence, alexy arrived at the second, after - to me, but then he was

the head of the russian church, and he was in black hair, and people were shouting out the moscow priest, that’s one thing, by the way, from the fire extinguishers of the period of independence, there was the kravchuk hetman, that was... it didn’t happen, because i then, for example, i went to all these rallies before the verkhovna rada, but left there was a moscow priest, and he was driving such a black volga, and people were chasing him in the center of kyiv, and they could not escape, there was such a cavalcade of these cars, and they you, that is, people were chasing the moscow priest, it was the beginning of the 90s , and then i remember 2000, god knows what year, when yanukovych was the president, when kirill arrived, and there was such a golden mass procession in the center of kyiv, specifically in moscow... during this time , the moscow church managed to plant so much and to force myself that since the time when she was chased, they then turned into a church that went from the volodymyr hill, there was cyril in front of it and all that, and no one could do anything, it was as if they reigned here, but you see, now we

are reaching the time when they are actually ending their history in ukraine , the most important thing here is that i would like your advice, i understand that this may not be your flock now, perhaps it will be your flock, for people who do not understand much, perhaps in politics, in state security, in danger from this church, well, i say it's ukrainian, but we're not we know there with moscow, they are not with moscow, but how to briefly and simply explain to people why you do not need the moscow word? i think that our citizens of ukraine should. take responsibility for your church, and for what you hear, probably also, and why you believe, if you take responsibility for your church, then that church can change.

i can proudly say about the active lay people of the ukrainian greek catholic church. and we rejoice that we as a church, we are changing, we... we are growing, we are looking for new ways, new forms, how to be a church, how to serve god and people, in new circumstances, we rejoice. having wise, active, conscious, responsible marians, uh, in our church, who can be relied upon. and today , the ukrainian greek-catholic church is not some kind of cold hierarchical structure, it is a living network community, which today covers it with a network of presence, uh... many countries of the world, we would very much like

to share our experience of church life , even with our orthodox brothers, do not be afraid, do not be afraid to be active, your fathers cannot be your slave owners, do not be slaves to spiritual officials, be able to be... open, free, only then you will be able to change that church, children, which you consider yourself to be. i think that lay people, ordinary orthodox believers, can be a catalyst for change in some churches today. unfortunately, it so happened that russia tried to subdue it. and post-soviet countries with the help of corruption, the same was the case in ukraine, they

believed that political corruption, financing various pro-russian political organizations and movements, which were engaged in the restoration of various historical so -called events, it was soft power, such soft power, with which they wanted to re-colonize e... including ukraine, and here we saw that ee, it means that the moscow patriarchate very actively began to feel like a component of this whole ee corrupt system. we see that there has been a merger of corrupt secular power and church power in russia. this symphony, it acquired such, well, finally, i would say... er disgusting forms of merging the throne and the throne, it led to the ultimate loss of the moral

authority of the same church, even in russian society, and this was projected as a model of state-church relations for ukraine, it was about its moscow orthodoxy as a state church, and we saw how behaved politicians behave today in relation to this type of ecclesiastical existence, in particular also in ukraine, and there are all those triumphal bosses, you know, the ones you mention, and it has already begun to make everyone cringe, eh, i wish we still today they remembered one such delicate reality, today a huge number of faithful... of the moscow patriarchate feel betrayed by their church. i talk to

many of them, they feel that the one who was supposed to be their father has become their enemy, the one who was supposed to take care of them has finally betrayed them. this does not mean that those betrayed, wounded people will immediately look for another denomination. will go to one or another church, i now have the feeling that many of those wounded, aching hearts will leave the church altogether, and ukraine can wait a very powerful wave of secularization, that is , a new kind of godlessness and atheism, exactly as it happened in tsarist russia after, meaning after, the overthrow. the royal throne, and at the same time the power or power over people, of the russian

orthodox church. i would like you to clarify for our viewers, the issue of behavior, well, here i am reducing the degree of behavior, statements of the actions of the head of the vatican, the head. of the catholic church and of the person who sits on the holy throne, because not all people understand why there seems to be peace, there is somehow not such an unequivocal statement regarding conviction. actions of russia, or again the same moscow church, there is some attempt to unite a ukrainian man and a russian woman or something else, to make such a flash mob that seemed to give some idea of ​​reconciliation, and people think whether he is for us or for who, or how to explain it, well, as they say, just explain why, what is the difficulty today,

maybe the role played by... the pope, francis, and, uh, maybe those things that we don't we see, but he also does, and they are very important in the humanitarian sphere and are important. well, the whole complexity, perhaps, today of the role and mission of, uh, the most holy father of the pope, as a universal bishop, is how to be a preacher of peace at a time when, uh, the third world war is starting. in parts, these are his words, that is, like today, let's say, to be the one who should serve reconciliation between peoples, when peoples start to fight with each other, this is the complexity, maybe a certain tension between the local and the universal, it is obvious that we feel , which is here in ukraine.

many problems of the whole world look different. today we understand that reconciliation between the aggressor and the victim is possible only when that aggressor stops, when the world community condemns him, when that aggressor is forced to... regret the wrong done, only then can there be a dialogue, a dialogue that, let's say, someday, i hope , it culminates in what we call the healing of wounds, and therefore reconciliation, which is why these are all very difficult issues, but

let's let the pope be the pope, and we ukrainians will be ukrainians. i think that everyone will understand everything and us, including when we will really win in that battle, which, which we lead, because perhaps this is our so-so mission, to unmask that devil who attacks us today, to unmask that moscow, which today is no longer the bearer of high culture, but the bearer of the newest national ideology, because unfortunately, today the world is it has the same danger, er, in which it was, let's say, before the beginning of the second world war, let's remember that time in europe , everyone wanted to er prevent the escalation of the world

conflict, do you remember chamberlain, who so... was walking around with that piece of paper, here, they say, they satisfied the aggressor, they gave him a part of some country there, and now he has already satisfied his appetites, then for the average european, the word germany was associated with high culture, philosophy, music, and the nazis were in power, and then at the end of the second world war, everyone was horrified asked themselves, how is it so... it became possible that such a civilized, cultured people committed the crimes of auschwitz and committed genocide against an entire people, which today we call the holocaust, that is exactly

what is being done against russia today, russia, in particular, after the collapse of the soviet union, it ... invested huge amounts of money in order to spread the illusion of its high culture. today, when someone is looking for an expert on russia, they will always come across an adept who was raised on the illusion of the greatness of russian culture. and therefore, whenever they hear about russia today, they will, first of all. to categorize their own illusory thinking without asking themselves what is really happening in russia. in russia today there are actually, i would say such. a neo-colonial genocidal regime that has nothing in common with examples of high russian culture, from dostoevsky or other

so-called classics of russian culture, there is no longer anything in this culture right now, and this is a certain shock that the west may be experiencing today, all those who consider themselves experts, and this is ours, perhaps historical role, it's all unmasked. to warn the world, to close it to this huge danger, so i hope we will fulfill our role, we will win, and then everyone will understand us, i am convinced that the lord god today is always on the side of the one who is a victim unjust aggression that... the lord god is near, near us, you said that god is near us, so i would like to finish with this question actually, for sure, because many people are asking today, where is god and why is he with us , just as

jesus was asked whether his parents sinned, or he, why is he blind, and so people ask, so who sinned, articles are written, intelligent people write, explain why we deserved this war in quotation marks, and say, well and what, who, who sinned, i would like you... to say your word, here it is important for people to understand where god is, if i don't see it, i don't feel it, all this is happening, and why should we, well, to the end of this question, we will answer, maybe at the end of the story, when the whole process will take place, then we will see everything in its entirety, but now it is christians who have the key to the interpretation of this reality, why, because we... believe in a suffering god, not the god who is somewhere far away, somewhere in the heavens, in his kingdom, no, but the god who became man. we

believe in the son of god, who entered human history, took on a human body and voluntarily went to the cross. that is, today we christians see... the suffering christ in the suffering of every human being, i want to share that, maybe my own spiritual experience, you know, when i visit our wounded boys, or even civilians who have been injured by bombings, you know, well just some really pious awe of suffering. people in ukraine, who have a real presence of god, or did i catch myself thinking like that, you know, seeing those wounds, i say to myself: jesus, it is you, i

see you in this person, and indeed, today christ suffers in the body of the suffering ukrainian people, therefore those... pains and sufferings of our savior in the body of a suffering ukrainian motivate christians to acts of mercy, they call us not just to respect human suffering, but to protect human life, that is, it is something like that, i would said, the truly religious motive of all our social service, all that... we do to protect, save human life in the name of god, this is not some such usual, i would

say, philanthropy, but this is truly deaconry, that is, service, service to god through service to a person in need, and this is not only my personal experience, but the whole of our church, you know. no one ever asked, in our communities, in our parishes, what church you go to, what language you speak, when we saw a person in need, a wounded person, a refugee, a person who needed help, warmth, or maybe even advice , as well as further in her life, to advance in life, and this is the secret of stability. i am convinced that this is not an abstract, but a very concrete presence of god among us, in particular, through, through, him

suffering in the wounds of ukraine, this is a very, very deep, i would say, foundation for the proclamation of christ's gospel, christ's gospel today, in ukraine. that is why we say god is with us. god is always in the one who suffers. there is such an early christian sermon from the second century, even from the persecuted church, which said that... christ is killed in everyone who will be killed until the end of the world. christ was present in joseph, who was sold into egypt, christ was present in abel, who was killed by cain in the old testament, and today he is present in every person who is needy, weak. that is why we read in the gospel from

matthew. about the terrible judgment, says christ, what you did to one of my least, you did it to me, therefore we christians know where god is present, we see him, and we want to serve the lord god and our long-suffering, but to the heroic people, thank you, bishop sviatoslav was with us, the head of the ukrainian greek catholic church. which churches and i also congratulate you on the independence day of ukraine and your entire christian community. well, a i ask you to stay with the espresso tv channel. it will be interesting later. now i have a toothpaste that does more. lacquer activ++ with a plus of active ingredients. i use it to

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