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yevhen magda, executive director of the institute of world politics, mr. yevhen, glory to ukraine, welcome to our airwaves, good morning. the poles call that a storm, a scandal said kuleba the other day, at a meeting with his colleague in poland, and in fact, they are most outraged by the phrases that history should be left to historians, and it is in particular about permission to exhume those who died during the volyn massacre, as the poles call it, we say, the volyn tragedy, and catch up, but we have already heard from tusk, in particular, that we will not get into the eu until we settle all these issues and that poland will not make concessions, because they have a lot of questions for us and claims what to do with this, mr.

evgeny, and why do poles otaku constantly, they constantly remind about it, constantly emphasize it, and in fact... these questions are very acute now. well, let's get back to the context, i guess. dmytro koleba stated this not just during a meeting with radoslav tsikorskyi, during such an interesting public event, campus poland of the future, which was held in ulshtyna. and this is the kind of gathering at which youth representatives can talk to various government officials, well... first of all, polish ones, and of course it seemed to me that the visit of the ukrainian minister of foreign affairs would be more effective, because in fact, despite the existing contradictions, no one canceled the status of the strategic partnership between poland and ukraine, and i do not think that it is in anyone's interests, but

it happened as it happened, that is, in response to the question about the exhumation, dmytro kuleba mentioned that near olsztyn... the descendants of ukrainians who were resettled during the vistula operation live, he suggested leaving history to historians, unfortunately, this shows that the minister had no one to provide a quality briefing on the issue, that is, for polish society, historical issues are extremely sensitive, and the issue of the volyn tragedy is one of the key ones. and as it turns out, if we thought earlier that this topic was more about the right-wing, that is , the law and justice party, then let me remind you that at one time, a little over a month ago

, vladyslav kosenyak kamash declared that ukraine would not become a member of the eu is the minister of defense, donald tusk has now announced this. why, why are polish politicians doing this? because this topic will be heard during the presidential elections, which will be held in the spring and in the spring of the 25th year, and they will touch these questions are strong enough, because the question of history, the question of the eastern kressia, that is, that part of the territory of ukraine and belarus that poland controlled from 18 to 39. he, well, these questions are sensitive for polish society, and the kresov, that is, the exit descendants or natives of these territories, they are quite important, and in fact, kosyniak-kamysh and tusk, as representatives of the ruling coalition,

are trying to seize the initiative from peace, because they well understand that if peace loses, they will also win the presidency. after defeat based on parliamentary and not too noticeable results during the local and european parliament elections, well no, not impressive, let's say, results, then the crisis in the party will be very , very obvious, but in the place of polish politicians, it is worth looking at what happened in the elections the confederation party, which was betting on anti-ukrainian... that is, on xenophobic statements in general, has seriously fired at the european parliament, has this party already selected its candidate, by the way, for the presidential elections, and he, as i understand it, will gradually start campaigning . in fact, this is a serious challenge for

polish-ukrainian relations, which after the ideal state of 2022, starting from april 23, are descending like a giant slalom. down, i would very much like them to stop at the plateau of possibilities, but so far this is not happening, and unfortunately, the visit of... president andrzej duda on independence day, independence day celebration in ukraine, on august 24, this visit has actually become a tradition , but he failed to break the negative trends in polish politics. what should we do in this situation? well, first of all, we don't have any to expect that we can fix everything in one step. secondly, we need to create our own awareness of our history and not be afraid. to talk about it, well, for example, professor bohdan gut has his own version

of the situation in volyn, and he has a sufficiently well-argued version of it, and he presented it in poland, because he worked in polish archives when he researched it, so we have to convey what we know, we have to convey what our experts know, but i will strengthen it inside ukraine as well. and critical thinking and everything related to these questions mr. yevgeny, about one more neighbor, i want to ask you about the belarusians, i mean, in the beginning they were incredibly active, they helped the russians in every way, then they seemed to calm down, but now lukashenka's constant statements and this accumulation of troops on the borders with ukraine are bothering them under training, why are they doing it, is lukashenko really determined. speak out against ukraine, why does he say that someone is urging him to support ukraine in general and

to renounce putin, what kind of diplomacy is this or what is it from lukashenka? well, look, february 24 in the 22nd year , russian troops really entered belarus, and they were preparing for this invasion under the guise of a migration crisis, there was enough preparation. let's say, effectively, because they planned to carry out a blitzkrieg, since the distance between the belarusian-ukrainian border and kyiv is a little more than 100 km, but the belarusian troops themselves did not take part in the invasion, then from march to october rockets flew outside the territory of belarus somewhere around 600 rockets flew over ukraine, this should also be remembered, but... "i think that today there is a situation in which

lukashenko, first of all, wants to hold presidential elections, most likely, as the representatives of the bilpol organization wrote in february 25, that is, he needs putin's loyalty now so that there are no unpleasant surprises with the price of russian energy resources in these six months. orders for products of belarusian military factories in the interests of russia, etc., so that russia does not try to nominate its candidate during the presidential elections, as was the case in the 20th year, when almost all the candidates for the presidency of belarus, they were in one way or another in the interests of the kremlin, at least in the sense that their participation would annoy lukashenka. of belarusian troops in the ukrainian border is not critical at the moment,

reliable sources say this, and the same wagnerites who have an extremely negative image in ukraine, they are, except for instructors, that is, several dozen of them, well maybe a hundred , but it is not critical for participation in hostilities, because the belarusian-ukrainian border during these more than 900 days... of a large-scale invasion, it has actually turned into a front line, isn't it that without real hostilities, that is why we need to realize, we need to understand that lukashenko will not give an order to invade, but if russia somehow succeeds in removing lukashenko, then the next leader of belarus, he is more likely to give such an order, because he may be much more... pro-russian than the current belarusian dictator. thank you, mr. yevgeny, everything

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worries and hurts us all now. about energy issues. oleksiy kucherenko, people's deputy of ukraine. with us mr. oleksiy, thank you for waiting. glory to ukraine. thank you, good morning. glory to ukraine. it is about the fact that the dismissal of the head of ukrenergo, volodymyr kudrytskyi, is being prepared. a lot of media is already writing, they are already openly saying that this could happen. and very often in the comments it is about the fact that, well, it is a really professional person. why, why is this happening. and i want to ask you about this. thank you. well, this is a very difficult question, you see, now i will try to answer it quickly, but behind this is a whole layer of what seems to me to be an unsuccessful reform of corporate governance of this corporatization, when state companies through supervisory boards, through statutes like this, in fact, have completely distanced themselves from the government and from the ministry, by the way, mr.

kudrytskyi's shareholder in ukrenergo is the ministry of energy itself, do you understand? maybe in peacetime, maybe where it is in the countries the stable culture of this corporate management, the intelligence and such, well, the calmness and professionalism of the managers, it is more or less working, although there are huge problems there, but during the war, during the essentially extraordinary energy situation, all this remoteness, the independence of state-owned companies from . sioner, well, it carries very big risks for our energy security, i will not discuss kudrytskyi personally, i personally like him as a person, although he is not a professional energy engineer, i want to tell you right away, he is a lawyer, well, there are a lot of lawyers now there, there are political scientists at the head of companies, you understand, and therefore, well, a sufficiently educated

person, he worked, but they had and still have very difficult relations with... the governing body, with the ministry, with the shareholder, you understand, and i understand , that when the ministry is responsible to the supreme commander-in-chief, for almost everything that happens in the energy sector, and there are no corresponding full-fledged levers of influence, there will always be some contradictions, by the way, two years ago, i also suggested dozens of times on your broadcast that during the war, it is necessary to adopt changes to the laws of ukraine, so that the management system in the energy sector was on'. the system was restructured, no law was adopted there, you understand, all the laws of peacetime, i’ll just remind you, once upon a time mr. koboliv, who headed the supervisory board, well, it was back in the 17. in the 18th years of the reign of nak-naftogaz, he allowed himself to sue the cabinet, well, imagine, the cabinet is a shareholder of naftogaz, and the chairman of the board is going

to sue his shareholder, he did not like something there, and he did not like the fact that the price of gas was set low for the population, he wanted it was marketable immediately there were uah 15, uah 20 each, that's what he didn't like, that's why they were there, this conflict was laid, it was not removed at the legislative level, but now... as i understand it, when the consequences of the ava, damages, in consequences for the energy system, you see, it still hasn't passed the peak of the energy crisis, blackouts, schedules, and so on and so on, although on monday the prime minister, the prime minister, i'll tell you a secret, he 's willing to kudrytskyi to ukrenerg, and he tried to make sure that the damage minimal, that the protection... these objects are protected, and it was ukrenerga that was responsible for the protection of these objects. i understand that, without having seen the official information, but i understand

that the head of the stake, the president really understood this protection, looked, especially there ukrenergo, as far as i understood, there is this ukrhydroenergo, when we saw the video of the destroyed substations and so on , and i understand that this is why the decision was made, that it was made, i do not have any official information yet, just like you, but i i understand the essence of this conflict, so we are waiting for the further development of events, but once again, it was not the minister who made the decision, it was the president, the head of the supreme commander-in-chief made the decision, it is the level, well, the highest in the country, so i hope that it will not happen, that it it was not and will not be a spontaneous decision, that it was a reasoned decision, but... could this decision be related to showing ukrainians that we are trying to do something to protect its energy infrastructure

and return light to homes , and actually, whether this is a good way to show, because very often we hear quite disappointing forecasts, the last thing i heard is that if in winter we will have 8 hours of light during the day, that is, only electricity will be supplied for a third of the day. it will be a great indicator and a great situation, in fact, of the forecast, who did you hear this forecast from, but who did you get this from now i will tell you, if i am not mistaken, it was igor tinnyi who spoke, well igor tinnyi, you understand, he is a public activist, he is not good the guy too, but who is he to do such forecasts, well, how does he know, we heard on our airwaves, we heard even worse forecasts, we heard about four hours a day, and about four, and about and about in general everything is lost and about the need to give up. and go sign the peace treaty already, well, understand, well, no one really knows what the situation will be in the winter, because it depends for 90% on how

our air defense forces will work, when the next attacks will come, and they may be attacks, they may be more massive attacks, energy workers did their job, you saw that at the end of the summer, we had absolutely stable energy supply for the last month, and this is all exclusively related to the effectiveness of our protection. anti-aircraft defense, you see, the last strike on the 26th, 236 objects were flown by attackers, 201 were shot down, that is, a large percentage were shot down, but 35 broke through and they caused damage, and these shelters, on which tens of billions of hryvnias were spent, tens, they , unfortunately, they did not protect it as it was desired, by the way, i foresaw this situation, i also said dozens of times on your broadcast that we applied and mrs. tymoshenko, the two of us addressed a letter to the chamber of accounts with a request to conduct a professional audit of the implementation of this

shelter program, because the shelters were built by ukrenergo and the nayem agency from two sources, you see, we need to figure out where the huge amount of money went, there are tens of billions, how effectively this protection was carried out, if such an audit was carried out by the official... constitutional body the accounting chamber, agree that then really, well, it would be some reason without, well, without politics, to discuss this issue with you now, the audit was not carried out, mrs. pishchanska is a very powerful figure, she already in the anti-monopoly committee did not bring order there, it is very serious with the anti-monopoly policy in ukraine, she answered us that they do not have labor resources and they do not consider this audit a priority, i have this i was on the website myself... i put it and showed it to you and everything, well, that’s why this logic of making these state decisions does not work, and they are all based on emotions, unfortunately, but now we have to listen to scaremongers that we will be there for 20 hours

without ... light from tinny, well, well, let him shut up a bit, he's a businessman, let him deal with his solar stations, he's not a bad businessman, by the way, well, it's not just about scarecrows, but about those who can also think and plan something, for themselves, and what does he propose , well, what he proposes is that whoever has the opportunity to provide the first floors and the private sector on their own, but we understand that this is not a global solution for all ukrainians. there are no questions, but if the people have money, you understand, if there is money for solar panels, then please determine who is against, only him i forgot to say that in winter the solar panels will work with an efficiency of 10, we still have 3 minutes left, i understand that we receive a lot of help from our partners, if it is actually about the energy sector, are we, or are you observing that we are keeping up

with them ? use this help, do we have time to install, maintain, use, connect, all this equipment and whether it works effectively in our country, see, by the way, yesterday i read somewhere in one of the media that one of the reasons was the fact that a really large amount of spare reserve equipment was accumulated in ukrenergo. but it was on open sites right there, you see, well , they placed it where it can be quickly replaced, but they did not protect it, and not only the working equipment was damaged, but also a significant part of these stocks, and it was kudrivsky himself who said that they had accumulated these, well, grant support with a reserve, that's the version, that's why i'm waiting for an official decision, the equipment is really coming, we've been hearing about

it for two years, yes. but to say that there is transparent and intelligently, effectively, it is distributed, i definitely can't. i know one thing, where there is an owner in the energy company, the owner of the equipment, they take care, they really snatch this equipment somewhere, they buy it in the countries, the former soviet camp in lithuania, in latvia, in bulgaria, in romania, there are transformers, other nodes , and indeed they were repairing, and this opinion is not accidental, by the way. of the management of dtc sakharovka, who said yesterday that there are no questions, they are energy workers capable of restoring almost everything that was destroyed as a result previous attacks, but it takes a certain amount of time, that's all, it's already been restored, it's been restored, you know, it takes three months, something six months, but it takes time, because the money for it is included in the new

tariff. for electricity for the population, because i will remind you, we were raised the price by 4.32, the main argument was that this is money for the restoration of the destroyed energy sector, so we really have every right to demand from the energy companies that they work as efficiently as possible, but i repeat, 90% , unfortunately, depends not on power engineers, but on anti-aircraft forces defense and the power of the enemy's strikes, which he is probably planning, we are, there is no doubt, yes, mr. oleksiy, thank you for the conversation, people's deputy of ukraine oleksiy kochurenko was with us, and by the way, today, ukraine celebrates aviation day, we we thank our aviation for their work and remember all those aviators who gave their lives in the fight for our independence and against our enemy. i'll say goodbye for a bit, i'll be back at 2:10 p.m., but you stay with espresso, because in a few

seconds. our colleagues will continue the broadcast. it will be interesting and important. it's 10 o'clock on the clock, it's time to find out what is happening in ukraine and the world at this time, khrystyna porubiy is working in the studio. according to detailed information, six people, including a 14-year-old girl, died in kharkiv due to an enemy strike. three women and two men also became victims. at the same time, as of this morning , it is known about the 91st victim. of them, 21 are children, and a 17-year-old girl is seriously ill.