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and good health again ladies and gentlemen, 5:31 p.m. on our clocks, as i promised, oleksandr soshko, executive director of the international renaissance fund, is with us, you will see him now, and i wish him good health, mr. oleksandr, congratulations , thank you for taking the time to see us, i have the following... question for you feeling, you know, such a sinusoid is constantly happening, they help us, they don't help us, routinization is happening, that everything that happens in our relations with western europe, with north america, then they say, well done, they give us a lot, then they don't give at all, they give little, in your opinion, when you look abroad to the west, to the western border, this... has turned into some kind of routine, or

does it still continue to be something acute and still the western world thinks , how to help ukraine, counts one way or another on the ukrainian victory, and so on, is it already on the second, third, fourth plan, what do you say, well, look, it would be strange to count on the sharpness of sensations that would last continuously. exactly, and definitely, the intensity of the reaction that was, say, in february, march 22 , it was somewhat different than now, there really was a certain habituation of the whole world to the war in ukraine, yes, and this is a reality, this would be the case with any other war if it lasted for years, and we must bear this in mind, this... this is a purely psychological phenomenon, and there is

no reason for it, but it is obvious that we continue to rely on sufficiently broad international support, and there are every chance to achieve a certain stability of western support for ukraine, although it is obvious that we have to do everything it's harder and harder to fight for new solutions related to... whether it's economic or military aid, but these things are completely predictable. i would like to ask you about the united states, mr. alexander, so look, since we are not, well, at least i can't to understand who haris is, who is haris, then i always have a question, well, maybe trump is better than haris, i just don't know, we, we know something about trump, we can imagine something, something. predict, at least some

such vector, and we don't know anything about ms. garis, she is silent, the question is, well, what would you say, who is better for ukraine, ukrainians are already used to thinking that the democrats are better than the republicans for ukraine. the world, the history of the world shows that it is not a fact, you know, that reagan, ronald, but also him, would be the best for ukraine was just an absolute republican, that's why the question. well, you watched her press conferences, some people generally believe that she can't do anything, if she doesn't have a promter, well, that is, a tipper of a tipper, she can't answer any elementary questions, well, in short, the figure, the political physiognomy of ms. harris, that will you tell about her? well, look, you asked several questions at once, and as for kamala harris personally, it is obvious that she... to some

extent is a newcomer, she has not made a very bright mark on the ukrainian issue, and therefore there are many doubts whether she will be able to master this situation, understand her priorities? and at least not lose momentum compared to the current administration, although we have many questions about the adequacy of the reactions of the biden administration, regarding trump and his, you rightly said that we know him, but we also know in general his attitude to the international, international the role of the united states, that is, here even i... will say that he is anti-ukrainian, as some say, it is not quite so, he simply does not believe in any serious global role for the united states, and he doesn't want to put too much effort into continuing the same line that you're talking about when you mention reagan,

he's very, well, he's as alien as possible to the reagan line, if you compare him to biden, biden is much closer to... to to reagan than trump is, regardless of party affiliation, so the danger in this case, of course, is that trump is generally advocating a curtailment of the global mission of the united states, for focusing on certain of his own domestic problems and actually withdrawing the efforts that america is making around the world, he is right now. makes his company with an emphasis on the fact that america should pay much less attention to all these world affairs. and how strong, panezano, excuse me, how much can we count on the american institution, well, relatively speaking, kamala harris shows something,

some kind of weakness, but there are a huge number of very experienced officials around. intelligent, well-educated and so further, which can do a lot of things, and she will also talk with her head, for example, is this possible in principle in the american coordinate system? listen, i would not write her off personally, in general, that is, she understood that she has not yet made a mark and has not particularly clearly manifested herself, but in general, i see that the direction in which the evolution of the democrats is going. party, it is in principle acceptable to us, because look at the sentiment of a democratic voter, a dem party voter, and compare it to the sentiment of a republican voters, this is a very long distance, unfortunately, unfortunately, for our sentiments towards

the republican party, we remember it as a completely different one, we remember mccain and other similar leaders, and unfortunately, that republican party is no longer there today. day, maybe she will return one day, but not now, therefore, for today, the details, actually the realities are different, and it is the mood among the voters of the democratic party that will not leave kamala haryusi, if she is chosen for another path, except to continue supporting ukraine, and it is clear that other officials, the ones you are talking about, representatives of us institutions, they will also find a way to navigate. in this case, that's why i think that after all, we should carefully look at the situation with american society and understand where it is heading, in this case, after all , the mood among the voters of the democratic party is much more pro-ukrainian than

the mood of the voters about in the republican party, and it has an impact. one more question, now east, from west to east. mr. putin seems to be going to mongolia, and why is he doing that? wants to understand if he is genghis khan and what to learn something from the mongols, something of such a military sense, well, but genghis khan used to move his army mostly on horses, now it seems that they hardly move on horses, well, this is such a bad joke from mykola veresnya, and why exactly, how do you think it is very important to demonstrate that there is a certain circle of countries that have ratified the rome statute of the international criminal court, which nevertheless will not comply with the orders of this court. i think he doesn't care about mongolia at all. in in this case, it is important for him to set

a precedent by entering the territory of a country that, according to international law, should arrest him as a suspect. in war crimes, for which there is a warrant issued by the international criminal court, and mongolia itself is one of those countries that recognizes the jurisdiction of the international criminal court. however, as far as we understand, there are certain agreements with the government of mongolia that putin will not be arrested there, otherwise he would not go there for anything, and i think that is a key factor, he can, he he goes there primarily to show that the mandate of the international criminal court does not work, yes, to discredit the very idea of ​​international justice against him, i only see this... i see the point of his visit to mongolia, but you know, again, i have such my heart hurts, because i

constantly think that psychology and political science, psychology and history, psychology and military affairs should be combined in the same higher education institutions, because the picture you painted of putin is the picture of a 15-year-old boy , and i will prove that i can to go to mongolia, that is... and i don't need it, and my country doesn't need it, and the mongols don't need it, and nobody needs it, but i 'll show that i'm a cool guy and i can go somewhere, it's kind of, you know , a 15-year-old captain, not even a captain, but a lieutenant, or am i right or, but, of course, i am not a psychologist, i am not an expert here, so it is a pity that we are all not psychologists, and even a psychiatrist would be it is better if you were also a psychiatrist, but we can clearly see that... there are many examples in the history of the current russian regime, when a lot of actions are determined

exclusively by such psychological circumstances, yes, that is, to satisfy some complexes, there are many such examples, and actually the war itself, and the resolution of the war by putin, it is something that is meaningless from the point of view of some rational policy , why exactly, why exactly so many people in the west... did not believe that putin would attack ukraine, because it is senseless, it, it only harms the interests of russia itself, but for the sake of satisfying his complexes, he goes on this, he makes a lot of decisions that harm the prospects of both him and the state he leads, however, this harm is not obvious to him, he hopes that in the end anyway... he will lose because the west is weak , because the west is dispersed, he will

be able to sit back and press on, this is his calculation, but he really is not a strategist in this sense, he is really a lot of features of such adolescent, feverish politics, which i am sure in the future will prove its harmfulness, and russia will regret it, thank you very much, oleksandr sushko, the executive director of the international renaissance fund was with us, thank you very much, mr. oleksandr, now advertising, then about energy, especially me, personally, i am very interested in it, because well, we are here, in short, we will not talk about it now after commercials with ivan plachkov, minister of coal and energy, two-time minister of coal and energy, chairman of the union council of the all-ukrainian energy assembly, but this is after commercials in 3 minutes. thinking about a new mattress, but here's what's stopping you.

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of ukraine 99, 2005-2006, chairman of the council of the all-ukrainian union. in front of us, mr. ivan, good health, thank you for finding time for us, congratulations, congratulations, good health to everyone, so if van plachkov appears, we will probably talk about energy, and in the question is so strange to me, but persistent, the first two days after that frenzied attack on ukraine, most energy experts said that this was a slightly better option, because they aimed at transmission, not at generation. and therefore it may be that we will recover faster, but something is not possible to recover faster, or so it seems to me, i just see from my apartment that somehow it is absolutely not faster, and just like it was in july, when we all suffered, so what happened, we did not do something calculated, not included in this attack on the 26th, as far as i remember,

it took place, please, no, well, i think that the assessment of this attack is ... those people who said that it is a little better, it is not is objective, firstly, the attack was on both generating capacities and distribution networks, including large substations, high-voltage, high-voltage networks and even on switchgears of nuclear power plants, such as substations near nuclear power plants. er, which gives out electricity already on the transmission line, and we, after this shelling, four power units at nuclear plants were stopped in an emergency, because there was nowhere to give out electricity, and there were strikes on kyivska ges and on some thermal power plants that had already been

equipment destroyed and partially restored, so the strike was unprecedented, it was massive, i think i'm sure that russia tried, er, to make such a total blackout, and this, unfortunately, i think, is not the last attempt, this is an attempt to do this, so the losses are very big, very big, and the energy companies are restoring, they are restoring, they are working around the clock. they have already restored a lot, and i just want to pick up, even from the schedules of emergency stabilization shutdowns, they have moved to such more or less scheduled ones, there are already schedules made throughout the country, where there will be electricity, when it will be, when it will not be, and even these the schedules are fulfilled, it's not

spontaneous there, but we don't expect it, times the electricity went out, so the situation for... remains extremely, extremely difficult, and this is still on the eve of the autumn-winter maximum preparation for the autumn-winter maximum, so we need to focus, focus on restoration and on defense, and the west is air defense, and i have said many times, these constructions are of the first level, the second level, well, especially the third level, which are proposed to be buried there underground. these substations, they are inefficient, and therefore it is an air defense, this is the first, secondly, saturation of power engineering teams, those that... repair with equipment, appropriate tools, an increase in the number of these teams, so that they can quickly restore, we will not be able

to protect three football fields with concrete gabions, imagine, this substation is big, how can they be to protect, but unfortunately, the discussion will continue, and what surprises me, in the last few days there is information that on the bets of the supreme chief... madovych, you made a decision to fire kudrytskyi, the head of ukrenergo. and i don't understand the situation at all, then we are dismissing naye for the fact that he built something, did not complete it and that it was not efficient, and now kudrytskyi is accused of not having built enough to protect these substations, well, the situation there is difficult, there is a struggle, minister kudrytskyi, the energy attam. an unhealthy situation in the energy complex, but on the eve of winter, when the manager showed his effective activity, when they were integrated

into the european energy system, when they established more or less such stable, normal operation of the energy market, when the energy industry under the leadership kudrytsky's power system was kept from blackout several times, some are accepted. and if it is changed, okay, let's suppose there are some reasons, i don't know, just really, but they appoint someone, how long does it take for this someone to... go through the law and begin to understand how it works, where is weak points, where there are strong points, what to do, how to fix, repair, renovate and so on,

how much time is needed for this, well, i think that if there is a professional energy engineer, it will be no less than a quarter, two or three months, and if there is a manager, a lawyer, a financier, i think he will never understand, i'll just say it myself, i worked for a manager. of the huge kiyirgo energy company, i was appointed a minister in 1999, i came to my senses after six months, you can imagine, six months you think about everything, and the second time already with the experience of a minister in 2005, the sixth year, it took me about three months in order for me to be able to cover this industry, and when they change, and there is nothing left, they change managers, he will not be able to do this, he will not be able to immediately'. will work again, of course, there are engineers, deputies, who are professionals there, but, but again there will be no

coordination, there will be no management of the industry, and the new manager, he will already be afraid to make some decisions, you build, that means they are fired, you don’t build, they are fired, i think the reason is completely different, it is the efforts of the minister of rural areas. ability to control the industry, he controls the energy atom, you see what is happening with coal, the deputy there, his criminal case, he is arrested, as far as i understand, and so on, in general, the situation there is unhealthy, both personnel and organizational, especially on the eve of the autumn-winter maximum, we don't have time left, how can we? if there are no such accusations, well, there can be something, well, well, there are no criminal cases, for what, i do not understand, i

follow the situation, i know how they work, if there are any corrupt elements, tell me, he he took a bribe, that's so much, that's why he can't work, well, we don't hear that, there's some kind of fuss going on , the last question, mr. ivan. an important and one that i have never asked you, this is a question from neighbors, acquaintances, etc acquaintances, acquaintances in kyiv, i think it is the same in poltava and lviv. how fair are the blackouts from your point of view, because they complain to me, we were turned off, the neighbors were not turned off, we were turned off half an hour after the neighbors, and we are on the same branch, i don't understand, but there are people watching closely and they say, but there they turn off more often, here they turn off less often, and there the house is never turned off at all, i say, well, maybe they pay some special money, maybe

some, like once in the soviet cooperative. house, there is a lot of money, they bring it somewhere, and maybe it is useful for the state, there are 100 uah, then maybe we still have some, in order for the energy system to work better, we will have an extra, well, not an extra 100 thousand, as far as it is everything is working correctly, in your opinion, please look, if in peacetime there was a shortage of electricity and we used at one time schedules of power outages, and we tried and... there should be such fair outages, if the networks are all working, high-voltage, distribution and generation deficit, that's all supply cuts to everyone equally and should be fair, but now we have a different situation, this substation is damaged, there is only one of the three transformers left, there is no power line and power supply, even if three transformers are damaged.

well and they have to restore there, they have to disconnect this substation in order to carry out repairs, restoration, and to disconnect, this is a large number of consumers for some time, so i believe that it is objectively that in different cities - differently, because the network is hers, and it is broken, hers bombed, there is a line, there is no line, and so on, and the energy... they are, well, i am almost sure, they do not disconnect, if it is possible to disconnect, do not disconnect, and there is no such thing that someone agreed, someone this and so on and so on, or some money, this, this i rule out, but i want you to believe that they are doing everything now to give electricity as much as possible, and why, because they

are interested in it. if electricity is provided, there is money, and if there is money, there is money for salaries, for restoration and so on, and if they are still will be abused, then and there there will be no money at all, and local administrations also monitor this, there are no such phenomena, so why do they say that there is injustice, so it is all objective, whether it is to ensure the balance of consumption, or but or this is for... ensuring the execution of repair and restoration works, thank you very much, asking you about those important, not important, but terrible rumors, i will not even talk about the fact that there is someone sitting there and selling electricity to europe, somehow secretly, i i sit and say, well, it can't be, because it can't be, but we'll talk about it sometime we will talk about this with you anyway, i generally want to collect all the humorous ones, despite...

the all-ukrainian energy assembly was with us, i will remind you once again, they are already telling me that thousands of hryvnias have poured in, and i do not stop insisting that funds are needed for drones, a charging station for reconnaissance of the third regiment, forces. of special operations, so that they penetrated somewhere specially and something exploded there specially, it is important for us that it explodes there, and these people destroy the enemy, the enemy just in the time gap in the area in donetsk region, and these uavs, which we will purchase, will help improve the performance of combat missions and save the lives of our defenders, you see the details on your screens, and our goal is

uah 890,000, let's give it a million already. that we are just starting small moments like this, i will discuss a million hryvnias, and there are already thousands, and a thousand thousand, it is exactly a million, that is, literally in two or three days we will do it all, now we will have proper news, then advertising, first news on expresso tv, then commercials, then poland, but that will be after news and commercials. for your attention, the news release on the spresso tv channel, in the studio of iryna koval, i will just now tell you about the most important events, and of course, we will start with the situation in kharkiv oblast, there the number has increased.