fugitives, many officials and deputies were able to escape from the investigation abroad during the war, who should bear political responsibility. that's all, for the next 45 minutes we will talk with my colleagues, with journalists, and this is a traditional journalism club that we have on fridays. well, before actually introducing our guests, i would like to remind you that throughout our broadcast we conduct a survey and ask you about... the following: are you satisfied with the communication of the president of ukraine with society? yes no if you have have a separate opinion, you can write in the comments under this video on youtube. if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote on 0800 211 381, if you are satisfied with the president's communication with society, if not - 0.800 211382. all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program we.. . let's sum up the results of this

vote, and i want to introduce today's guests, this is olga musafirova, a correspondent for novaya gazeta in ukraine. olga, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, and yanina sokolova, journalist, tv presenter, public figure, blogger and author of a large youtube channel, which you can subscribe to randomly, yanina, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, congratulations to sergey, congratulations to olga, congratulations to everyone who is watching live now, well... since we are asking our viewers and tv viewers whether they are satisfied with the communication of the president of ukraine with society, i will also ask our guests what they think and how satisfied they are with this communication that the president is currently conducting in relation to society, what in relation to each of us, olga, you have the first word, at all times, the communication level of journalists was not satisfied under any government, the government, by the way.

i didn't like any of them either, it's normal, it's a professional reaction. thank you, olga, yanina, please. i think that due to the fact that journalists are controllers and informers of the authorities, the authorities have not yet fully understood this, and mrs. olga is right about all the presidents. well, probably, except that viktor yushchenko had a high level of communication and a desire to listen to both civil society and the press. and the exhibition was appropriate, well, freedom began with it the words raised their heads and began to mean something, so it's definitely not enough, and i'm actually positively flattered that we had at least a few opportunities for uncomfortable questions during the previous press conference, because usually uncomfortable journalists are simply not accredited by the authorities at a press conference, well and interviewing, this is generally in our country, therefore... definitely this kind of communication, well

, the attitude, you heard him at the press conference, is not satisfactory, well, actually, i wanted to talk about how he looks now volodymyr zelenskyi is in the sixth year of the presidency, because the press conference that yanina mentioned and which was witnessed by the whole country, and accordingly all journalists, lasted one and a half hours, 28 questions, 15 ukrainian media and 13 foreign ones. well, for example, i got the impression that this dislike of the presidential team and zelensky personally towards ukrainian journalists, it did not go anywhere during these 5 years, and it also moved to the sixth year of the presidency, because in dialogues with foreign journalists he behaved polite when speaking i was talking about the journalists of the ukrainian media here , well... it's just that such a clear dislike was seeping

from the president of ukraine. olga, how can you explain that the current president does not like ukrainian journalists so much, does not like to answer their questions, and believes that they generally interfere with him, because with foreign journalists he feels like a world leader, and with ukrainian journalists, well, it seems that you constantly have to answer questions, because you are journalists. broadcast their questions and answers on ukrainian society, serhiy, i will have now it’s too late to announce one homemade product, i was listening to the previous guest valery chalov, you mentioned mongolia there, forgive me, this is only tangential to the topic of the press conference, but i will allow myself, on september 3, putin is going to fly to mongolia, mongolia, as you know , is a member of... the international

criminal court, well, theoretically, theoretically, he can be arrested there, but in the place of ukraine, i also hedged against... the rule of mr. tatarov in mongolia. here, and now i will answer the question you asked. it seems to me that to speak in categories "i love, i don't love" about the relations of the president, in particular, and journalists, it's, well, somehow not very, we don't need to be loved, i absolutely do not claim the love of anyone from the powerful. gardeners, because we should have a relationship of a completely different plan, i agree, well, actually, ms. anina has already mentioned this too, yulia mostova once defined who we are, the watchdogs of democracy, well, you can hardly love

an old dog, you have to be careful with him, you know, don't turn your back, and if you turn your back, you have it. well, such a i have a rather transparent image, and i will briefly mention, well, actually, this is also related to the current press conference, during the time of president yushchenko, i went to press conferences every time, and once i asked two questions, microphone in hand they didn't give it, but they only raised it like this: who poisoned you? at that time viktor andriyovych kept saying that he would name those people. which tripled him, and secondly, it was also from his promises, when you learn english, at the first press conference, when i asked these two questions, well, he was somehow quite restrained answered the first and felt the second,

since there was no answer, the next press conference, i ask the same questions, the answer was harsh enough. thirdly, i have never been able to put a question to viktor yushchenko at a press conference. i tried all kinds of options, i ran around the hall, i asked my colleagues for a microphone whenever i could get it, gentlemen journalists, thank you, the press conference is over. maybe it was undemocratic towards me. but that's how i realized a long time ago that playing such games is like that not really, but with the president, the most important thing is that they showed me a visual level of how

to communicate, well, regarding the current press conference, well, i agree, there were, there were meaningful questions. essential questions and sensible answers, and here i completely agree with the analyst yanina klyuchkovska, who gave such a good analysis that there should have been at least two important messages brought to the mountain by the president so that he imagined, as a media person, that these would be headlines about polyanytsia without a doubt and about... er, what the operation in the kursk region is not an occupation, but the creation of a buffer zone. these should have been headlines in both the national and foreign media, that we have, we have tatarov, who killed, i won’t repeat

who, well, chechens, yes, zelensky didn’t do it very well, by the way, we will look at this fragment now , this dialogue with... with roman kravets from ukrainian pravda, this is, in principle , the dialogue that probably demonstrates the whole atmosphere of the press conference, and here is what was missing, as olga said, was not enough, they did not pull out the headlines this one press conference, and the headlines are the same and memes about the tatarov appeared, let's see this, this enchanting dialogue at the press conference of roman kravets and volodymyr zelenka. ukrainian pravda once asked you about your team, and you then said about five or six effective managers. now we have a huge problem with the economy, with energy, and with law enforcement. i was talking about the president's office, not the country's team.

by the way, you have already published a lot of articles about five or six managers, you have such a method. i thought all this went down with yanukovych, what is it called, the word, and the temniks, the temniks, i understand that... what kind of temniks you are talking about, you need to have light in your eyes to see what they are telling you. let's continue on your question about the team, i... to you, i 'd just like you to appreciate, so if you can, appreciate that, can i finish the question, the third one, no, the last one, the second one, which you interrupted me, well, here volodymyr oleksandrovich is acting in the role of such a prosecutor or a teacher at the institute of journalism, and roman is taking the exam tailor, but in fact, this is the word he forgot, temniki, it existed in the time of president zelenskyi. we remember this story with ukrinform and with oleksiy matsuka, how they tried to manage this state agency,

and the dark people were just there, not in the ukrainian truth, as zelensky said in the direction of roman kravets. yanina, what do you think of this, this dialogue and in general, what it testifies to, that z zelensky is still trying in some way to reprimand ukrainian journalists that they do not, no, no... i completely understand what is happening in the state, western journalists they understand more, and the ukrainians live there behind some of their own dungeons, and these dungeons live something in the head of zelenskyi himself. well, first of all, i will say that what we see from a positive point of view, what we see volodymyr zelensky at a press conference, without a prompter, speechwriters, assistants, those daily videos that he records, reading from a prompter, is quite balanced, quite structured. done right, accented right done, his speeches abroad, which are applauded by

the world, wherever he is in the white house or in european parliament, these are the texts that are written, which volodymyr zelensky reads from a prompter, and who he is at the press conference is who volodymyr zelensky really is, that is why it is such a very honest story, analyzing which, it becomes sad first of all... i am sad, regarding the relationship between journalists and zelenskyi, it becomes a shame that zelenskyi does not respect journalists, he still believes that journalists are people who work for an oligarch, whose team builds an editorial policy, and they have to implement it, that is, such an impression , which we violate the rules by which zelenskyi used to exist in the information world, in particular on the marathon tv channel, which now... constitute the backbone of the information policy, where everything just exists according to those that zelenskyi said, well, as for

the temniks, listen, well, this is ridiculous, obviously zelenskyi had aggression towards the novel, due to the fact that he had read more than one article written before serhiy’s trial regarding the ukrainform and the temniks, this scandalous story, let’s not go into it now, which did not come as a surprise to journalists, but to civil society, well, it was so unpleasant , and ah... but most of the tv channels that you are watching now, friends, on television, not on the internet, not private tv channels, not independent journalism, which is, for example, ukrainian pravda, and espresso, and what we do, no one influences us, this is in zelensky's opinion, nonsense that harms their chosen victory strategy, why is there no donbas, the pokrov disaster, which is there because there is a victory strategy, and whoever interferes with this information strategy is inconvenient for him a figure that he considers possible,

to bark, to be rude, it was very embarrassing to watch, regarding the phrase, i will say a few words about foreign journalists, you understand very well that the neighbor who lives with you on the next street knows much more about you than your classmate or business partner , with whom you communicate on whatsapp or see when you fly to him once every three months, that is why he is wonderful, a ukrainian journalist perfectly understands the background of what is happening, foreign journalists mainly ask questions, answering which the journalist will not be able to answer later to appeal, not owning not owning, well, the whole system of negative things that we suggest, as journalists, presidents, civil society, that we point to, like those dogs, i said, yulia mostova, and the president does not like it, because he asked a question, even if it's uncomfortable, keep quiet and listen to what they told you,

the microphone will not be near you, because, well, because you need everything to be quiet. by the way, a few words about viktor yushchenko, despite what i said, and it is really true, i think you will agree with me, at that moment freedom of speech, well well, absolutely everything regarding our democratic values ​​has improved, well, there was still something to compare to yushchenko, but somehow in one of the interviews. it seems, by the way, to the ukrainian truth, i said the phrase that viktor yushchenko wasted his chance to change the country, and since then viktor yushchenko does not give me interviews, does not comment on anything, and in general. we don't have any communication with him, it's about how our politicians treat criticism and something uncomfortable, and it's very, very sad. well, when they are still in power, they they still turn off the channels from t2, as happened with the fifth channel zpresso and direct, because suddenly someone in the president's office decided that

we are a threat to ukrainian diplomacy, democracy, diplomacy also, during the war, we were simply thrown out... t-2 and until now we are not present in t2, and president zelensky is sitting and says: listen, you are working behind the scenes there, we have created a big information machine, it works democratically, a single telethon, everyone who is not in the only telethon, everyone is just in uzbichka, we have already asked, i'm up i talked about things on this topic with the former deputy head of the president's office, kyryll tymoshenko, when in general this story happened with the closing of three tv channels... and first of all, i don't care, because at least there are two or three people at espresso with whom i constantly communicate, the broadcasts of which i watch, i know that this is independent journalism, and our broadcast of the rendezvous on the fifth channel will not be seen by the general mass of people, to which the deputy head of the president's office at the time told me that they would carry criticism not only

objectively, but also completely non-objectively, therefore we... risk having rats like that inside the country during the war, so we have to cover it up, well, actually, there, i think, everything is much deeper, and it was only related to some political dividends, which i think they lost, you saw the trust ratings marathon, is this the result of this policy? well, in this situation, i would like to talk not only about the ratings of the telethon, but about what the country is losing, because we, well, we are already talking about the development of democracy, people are now... at the front in order to, not in order to have a single telethon, and all information policy was concentrated in one hand and in the long run turned into something not very good. we have already mentioned yushchenko, there were different situations under different presidents, i can probably mention different stories here for half the program, and they are not very good, in relation to almost

all presidents, sorry, because we have seen all of them, both expensive and inexpensive, and all the others in... . at press conferences, so under yanukovych this story was with mustafa naim, but for some reason it was very similar to the story with roman kravets, well. mustafa had a similar dialogue with yanukovych when he asked him about the mezhehirya, and he said that he was not jealous of him, well, zelensky could say the same thing if he continued the dialogue a little with roman kravets, olya , well, we are now free... in such a difficult situation, when ukraine is fighting for its freedom and independence, freedom of speech is part of this independence, and a guarantor of this independence, freedom of expression, and when we, well, we see that someone tries to limit it in some way or say that well journalists, you are there with some dark men,

you are working with poroshenko there, you are working with some other oligarch there. this is an attempt to devalue our work, this is not an attempt to simply reprimand everyone there personally, to take and create an image of journalists who are venal, who fulfill some order, who work on some topics, although here we are sitting in the studio, no dark people in front of me no, no one gives me any instructions, and i can also tell volodymyr oleksandrovich, well, let him show at least some example of who is behind what dark people works like people who are younger than us, who run the state, where do they get these formulas, about some dark people, about some existence, about some instructions, and someone points to someone, i have been working in journalism for 32 years, you are already working , i'm afraid to even

name it, i'm so afraid to name it, i've been working in journalism for a long time, well, i don't know. where do these people, young people, come from, well , zelenskyi is a young man, well, a relatively young man, but where do they come from, that someone is sitting under the table and conducting or narrating, presses my fingers and tells me what to say, a lot of questions, and these are really serious and difficult questions for me, at least, well , to begin with, yes, without getting personal, well, as a decent company is told: this is not about you, and not about you, and not about me, yes, but colleagues, well, yes, putting my hand on my heart, i can’t say that absolutely all publications in ukraine... work without censors, work in such a way that you can go on the air, and you you will never come here, well, that is, i

will not go into depth, but the absolute of some such single monolithic picture, which is called journalists of ukraine, unfortunately, i don’t have it in front of me, it’s such a motley enough to say no more such a canvas, that’s it... well, to call it some kind of unified journalistic front, which speaks either for or against, i don’t have the language will return second, i would say that we are not just now, i will make it more serious, we are not just fighting for freedom and democracy, the country is fighting for its statehood and for life, whether we should live or not, this is the austrian campaign. the philosopher karl popper was, i do not guarantee the accuracy of the quote, but there is approximately so, so our faith in

freedom, gives us hope for victory, but we must remember that the struggle for freedom can also end in defeat in... in fact, we must be prepared for the fact that freedom will cost us our lives, that's roughly the framework i see today's situation in ukraine, and yes, talking about freedom of speech and democracy in a democracy in a period where there is no war, and in a period where there is war, is absolutely absolute. but different things, first of all, and most importantly, since we are talking about journalists first, we must remember that, conventionally, a huge, powerful,

god, control my vocabulary so that i don't have the word powerful anymore, well, resource powerful, well, yes, well, this is zelensky's vocabulary, among other things, so i ask you to control, so that there are more such words. i did not use it, powerful power, so powerful power, yes, uh, what is called the russian media, this is simply all the propaganda media, it is such a media unit of the kremlin, which, well, you know, i am for, as they say, due to the duty of service , i read and tas, pity me, and tas, and riyaanoviny, and there are leading. telegram channels, and warriors, where without them, and i must say, the way they destroy zelensky every time is

unprecedented, yes, er, so, well, to put it mildly, i don't believe him that it was some such cunning plan to use him, like sometimes they say that they didn't put him there, eh, they are hungry to tear him into smaller pieces. uterus, moreover, yes, this is a message, and it comes from putin, and they repeat it, putin says it more gently, but these are all listed by me, they do not hold back in their expressions, ukrainians, get rid of this drug addict, immediately there will be peace, everything will be truce the rest, and you know, just because... this position is presented more than, again , i'm only talking about myself, i won't help them play in this, but honestly i won't,

because it will somehow be, well, to put it mildly , not half-human, yes, although, although, i absolutely agree with ms. yanina, and with you, the level, well, yes, there are things that are unacceptable. in communication with journalists, who cannot be afforded, who are sadly surprising, and - well, you can wish for anything, yes, change the environment there, change the communicators, nevertheless, i see some progress here, as it was at the beginning, at least, i am sure that president zelenskyi... has already realized, what is called, the power of the journalistic word and the journalistic staff there, and there is no one so

disparaging. influence, as it was, let's say, in the 19th year, this progress is obvious about it, on the other hand, well, well, what, what i said, we will now look at tatarov, this small fragment, because it is very revealing, perhaps, from among our tv viewers, not everyone saw, not everyone heard how it all happened, when president zelensky explained to our colleague that the adviser to the head oleg tatarov and the head of the president's office. sbu vasyl malyuk participated in the liquidation of chechens in the capital at the beginning of the full-scale invasion, or rather tatarov in the status of deputy head of the office of the president of ukraine. let's listen. i didn't mean to say that. the united states and everyone knows this. oleg tatar, together with vasyl malyuk, killed chechens in ukraine, in kyiv. until you were here. not enough. expel him, expel him so that

the russians will kill him, here, here, i just don't know how to comment, to be honest, well, he has to sit in the office for the rest of his life now the president, if he killed there, he killed someone, and if he killed, then why does the president say this publicly, well, he said that of records, i said about it, and in communication with journalists, that you are asking me the same questions again question, yanina, should a journalist ask about the tatars? about kyrylenka, who sold raspberries there for $3,000, or whether his relatives sold them there, he then entered uah 56 million in the declaration, he could not explain at first where he got this money from, that is, whether it is timely, if we think about what let's not put uncomfortable questions to our president, because we will be very similar to the russians, who criticize

him in everything, call him a drug addict... and in general try to give ukrainians the idea that he is a bad president, he has no leverage, professionalism, and in general a terribly corrupt country, and in general, let's negotiate whether it's all because of him, we have respect for the president, as an option, as for the institutions of the presidency in ukraine, i think each of us understands that this is a democratically elected president, but the president must answer. to those requests of society, and this is not a request from journalists to only ask about tatarov, this is a request from society, this is an acute question, inside which there is a person who did not pass the lustration, accordingly, there is a violation of the law, which talked about how the protesters on the maidan are criminals, then representing the ministry of internal affairs, where zakharchenko invited him and then made him a representative speaker regarding the events

on the maidan during the revolution. the second point, cases related to corruption, closed in a strange way regarding him and mr. mykytas, i will remind ukrbud and social housing, and in these cases tatarov appeared, plus portnov, plus tatarov, tatarov defended portnov for a second, friends, he was the lawyer of portnov, a close person, one of those close to yanukovych, one of the ringleaders of the kremlin, which portnov was. it is difficult to find someone who would have such a memory, talent, to build anti-ukrainian strategies, as tatarov did, and portnov, and tatarov was portnov's lawyer in cases related to ukraine and treason , including, plus, let me remind you , that mr. tatarov had petition, defending the side of the attacker against

serhiy. tatarov also did this, i will remind you, tatarov was the lawyer of the girlfriend or the wife, i don't remember whether it was their civil or official relationship, as a result of the attack on serhiy sternenko, which took place after numerous attacks, the attacker was wounded, so who died, and tatarov was the lawyer of this attacker in the sternenko case and defended the side of the criminal, there are a lot of cases here, and... regarding which, i think, there should be a question that will relate to the background of the person who is sitting at the moment in the president's office and oversees the entire law enforcement system, but the president talks about the chechens, which, by the way, i don't know why no one discussed this issue with him, usually presidents prepare, understanding what questions will be asked, and it was obvious with regard to tatarov , that it will be delivered, means...