helps, helps, as we understand, those who today are trying to destroy our state, of course, in such a situation, this is a very , very disturbing symptom, mr. vitaly, but how do you evaluate the statements of people's deputy maryana bezuglai, it's just like that in our country a situation arises that, in fact, at first very often maryana bezugla comes out... with some certain accusations, or disclosures of insider information, and then we see, either the release of these people, or a wave of such hate in some of the bolts of the mass information, in some channels, including telegram, but in essence , a very similar situation arose with mr. olyshchuk, a blunt statement, then a stormy one. creating, allegedly,

again, before any official investigation was made public, the information about the alleged downing of the f-16 again, i will remind you that the bezugla said it was a patriot system shoot down, but that's her words, officially we did not receive such information, and then , in fact, the dismissal of oloshchuk, do people's deputies have the right to make such a such... information into the public space, and does this de facto undermine trust in the armed forces of ukraine and in the actual top military leadership of our country. well, i repeat once again, the only cure for this situation is transparency, if you and i are completely uninformed about some important points in our defense, this will be used by those who will try to hype this situation. transparency is a more important condition for the survival of the state. in terms of war, i do not

mean, as you understand, the release of classified information, but authority the armed forces of ukraine must maintain the sincerity of communication with those people whom the armed forces of ukraine protect. we cannot have untouchable zones. the government, the armed forces, the economic leadership of the country, all this should be transparent as long as it is not about secret information. and this is a very important moment that we should always remember when we talk about what is happening and will happen in ukraine during these difficult years of the russian-ukrainian war. another topic that we wanted to discuss in our security blocks, this is usually the offensive of the occupiers on pokrovsk or the pokrovsk direction, so there we see selidove, there we see pokrovsk, in fact the so-called pokrovsk agglomeration. and

this is what is now also the most discussed position among ukrainian society, among experts and among the military. on the other hand, this offensive of the russians is often compared with, or an analogy is drawn with, what is happening now in the kursk region of the russian federation. to what extent do you currently assess the possible capabilities or. the desire of the russians after all to push in this direction, and why did putin still decide not to pay attention to the offensive of the armed forces of ukraine in the kursk region, and , relatively speaking, to push in those directions in which they have opportunities in the territory of donetsk, luhansk, and kharkiv regions. well, i think you and i were talking at the beginning of this whole thing. situation, i told

you that i do not see any signs that russia will abandon the offensive in donetsk region, luhansk region and kharkiv region, in order to liberate the territory of the kurdish region from ukrainian troops. it was absolutely obvious to me from day one. i have always characterized the kurdish operation as a political, first of all moment, as a moment that brings the war to the territory of the russian federation itself, yes. thus making the war a war, if you will, because it is a very important moment when the war, even if it continues for several years in a row, and this is absolutely real, a promising development of the situation, more promising than the end of the war in the coming years, if it is take place on the territory of both states, because the war of attrition of ukraine must be parallel to the war of attrition of russia, only if it is a mutual war of attrition of two states and peoples, at least a ghost will appear so that in russia time... the elites and part of the population will think

about the need the end of this war, at least on this line of contact, where the troops of the warring countries will be at the time of its end. there is no other way to end this war. relatives and that's why i believed that the fact that the ukrainian troops crossed over on the so-called sovereign territory of the russian federation, the fact that they control this territory, the fact that they imposed another front of this war on russia, this is an important political point. moreover, this political moment also revealed the so-called red lines of the west. he showed that western countries are now completely calm about the possibility of using their weapons, their, their weapons on... the sovereign territory of the russian federation, that they have no claims against the ukrainian troops who use this weapons, this is also very important for me, i would say, an instructive moment, as you understand, but at the same time it did not even occur to me that putin would withdraw troops from the donetsk front, transferring them to

kursk, because it is necessary for this to see the situation through the eyes of putin and his generals. in putin's eyes, the war is generally taking place on the territory of the russian federation, because... donetsk, luhansk, kherson, and zaporizhzhia regions have long been annexed by russia, and they have been mentioned together with crimea as a subject in the russian constitution for two years of the russian federation, and from the point of view of russian constitutional law, they are no different from the kurdish region. why would it be necessary to transfer troops from russian donetsk to russian kurdistan, if you look at it through putin's eyes. of course, putin could not even have such an idea. and i think that if anyone in kyiv at all had such... hopes, then he still does not realize how the russian leader thinks, because volodymyr zelensky can think in terms of his own state, he is fighting for territorial integrity and sovereignty of his own state, but a person who fights against him thinks in terms of the empire, for vladimir putin and

for millions of his compatriots, his own state is the soviet union, and ukraine is only a separatist entity on the territory of this state, so to speak the goals of russia, which must be destroyed for the sake of... the further prosperity of russian statehood, and this is exactly how they treat it and will treat it, i do not think that the russians' view of what ukraine is for the next ten years will undergo sensitive changes, and i have always convinced that there is no need to even try to change this point of view, we need to fight back, and not change russia and the russians, this is the first point, the second point, point of view, even military-tactical , to move troops from this territory where they are going to. .. for russia, fighting on the territory where the ukrainians can now control only a small piece of the kurdish region, this means stopping their own operation, thus falling into the trap of a ukrainian raid on the kurdistan region, well, one could assume that the russians

are capable of this, but again , if they have there were political considerations, if they believed that there they are fighting on ukrainian territory, here they are fighting on russian territory, but since there are no such political considerations, then immediately. it was clear that they would first try to deal with the donetsk region, and then think about kursk, how this principle should look, when it turns out that the ukrainian troops at a certain bridgehead will succeed in stopping the russian troops in the donetsk, kharkiv direction, and the russians will understand that they will not break through any further, what they are stopped and what do they have... now to hold this contact line and maybe prepare for a new offensive there, i don’t know, there in the 25th year, in the 26th, it’s hard for me to say, then they will transfer part of the forces of the donetsk direction to kurdish to try to recapture this territory, by the way, i hope that by then

some other territories of the russian federation will be under the control of ukrainian troops, the more we create such problems for the russians, the better for us, but it will be in such consecutive and we can to expect, for example, that russia, putin, the kremlin leadership will conduct some kind of minimal mobilization in the fall, or at least in the next few months, or still form some brigades or battalions with the help of covert mobilization and throw them in, for example, this one in essence. a small piece of the kursk region, but in your opinion, politically, again, they will prioritize the same donetsk region, well, they may proceed from the same reasoning, from

which, say, they proceed in kyiv, when president zelenskyi says that for putin kurshchyna is the end, that everything started with kursk and will end with kursk, then he expresses a reasoning that... well, it is purely theoretical, but it has the right to life, for example, a raid by ukrainian troops on the territory kurt region, he can so, so reduce putin's authority, and indeed putin's rating has not fallen. significantly, but fell that this will lead to the fact that his regime will not be able to hold on and thus the very nature of the war will change in a political way, but putin may just think that if he manages to break through the front, seize donetsk region there, open the roads to the dnipro and zaporizhzhia, then in this way he will contribute to the collapse of the ukrainian state itself, why liberate kurshchyna, recruit some additional troops, as you say, and so on, when we... can just destroy the enemy state and it will leave the country by itself, because it will not exist. putin needs

the capitulation of ukraine. what difference does it make to him, as when this capitulation will take place and how many ukrainian troops will be on the territory of the russian federation, if the ukrainian the army will cease to exist. well, these troops will simply lay down their arms, as they laid down their arms, let's say, there were german troops on the territory of czechoslovakia already after may 9, 8-9, 1945 , and that's all, they were there. on the territory of a foreign state, they controlled prague, but when it became clear that their army in germany ceased to exist, then they were also forced to liberate this territory, it is absolutely simple there, i would say such an instinct, and putin can share it, he can to start from such a point of view when thinking about an attack on donetsk region is the first thing, and the second thing is still such boyish notions, in the 22nd year he gave an order to his troops to, so to speak, restore the territorial integrity of this invented in the kremlin. donetsk people's republic. and 2.5 years have already passed for andrii. and no one

is restoring any territorial integrity. well, in this situation, i'm sorry. it would be very strange to expect that this will change for the better if putin still devotes some of his troops to the liberation of kurdistan. well, of course not, he needs to show that this is really what he started here for the so-called svo, it continues to be performed, which it continues. to act, so to speak, according to the plan, at this very time, at this very time, well , kurshchyna can wait, he announced a counter-terrorist operation there, he rebuked those who failed to defend the border adequately, and this is also not bad, by the way, because you and i are talking about additional troops, but these additional troops are needed not only to liberate the territory of the kurt region, which is currently under the control of the ukrainian military, but they are also needed have to protect the entire perimeter of the border, belgorod, kurdish. bryansk regions of the russian federation from ukraine. there were no significant troops there until now, right?

there were already troops there, which were even equipped with conscripts, who, in principle , should not serve in a combat zone. so, now it is necessary to approach this situation in a completely different way. another act of russian terror against our country took place this week, namely on august 26. the russians actually struck almost the most massive blow, in particular of various types, various types of missile weapons, unmanned aerial vehicles of the shachet type on the territory of ukraine. this is really one of the biggest strikes , hundreds, in the literal sense, hundreds of rockets, hundreds of barrages of shahed ammunition were used, and of course that's all. then, if we are talking about the russian information context, were used for the so-called act

of retaliation for the kursk region, yes, and in particular in the same context, we can also say that in fact the last three weeks there, at least, and even four weeks de facto russians conduct constant, daily terror, in particular the capital of ukraine, kyiv. as well as neighboring regions by shaheeds, well , in particular, the current night was no exception. mr. vitaly, in this context, this is a pre-planned energy terror, or is this really such an answer, an attempt to distract the attention of russian society from, well, the failure of the kurshchyna, yes, and in your opinion, should we expect a continuation of such terror during the next few months,

at least increased terror for some political stabilization of putin's ratings? well you know, i don't think at all that this is intended for russian society, and that russian society is somehow very worried about this kurdish region, that something needs to be seriously restored there. secondly, i believe that all these conversations about revenge, they do not take place in the russian context, maybe there are some telegram channels or some propaganda. they are talking about it, in ukrainian, it is from some ukrainians, i hear that it is popsta for kurshchyna, and i believe that this is an absolutely planned, logical policy that has been going on for a long time, i would say, with the moment when putin became convinced that he would not be able to occupy the entire territory of ukraine. it seems to me that yesterday or the day before yesterday we talked with the famous tv presenter yevhen kiselyovo, he even told me the date, which in his opinion was the beginning of such terror, it seems to be november 2022, do you remember that there was a mass attack on kyiv, yes, yes,

yes, yes, well, it was november 6 or some number, if i'm not mistaken, it was somewhere... october 220, because by this time putin had the idea of ​​blitz krieg that he would capture this entire territory, and then the question arose, why destroy all the infrastructure that will be needed, and around october he realized that this territory really could not be captured, that the russian army did not have such forces, and therefore a decision was made then, which is embodied in life, that ukraine needs to be transformed. to the energy desert, this idea is absolutely correct, if you look at the logic of the aggressor, because it pursues several goals: the first goal is to induce ukraine to capitulate, that is , ukrainians must understand that they cannot survive in war with the russian federation, if they just want to survive, not about victory, but about defeat, about the ordinary survival of ordinary people, they need to capitulate to

the metropolis, otherwise it will destroy everything here and it will not be restored in a decade, simple logic. first, secondly, if it is not even possible to force ukraine to surrender, its punishment should be exemplary for all other former soviet republics, that there is no need to contact russia, here ukraine tried to resist russia, russia did not succeed in conquering it, but it just destroyed absolutely known, so to speak, the method of many empires, even. not in the middle ages, i would say, in antiquity everything was like that, carthage must be destroyed, this is exactly how putin treats ukraine, it just has to be destroyed sooner or later, and there is no price that he would not pay for this final destruction, therefore this attack, it absolutely fits into this logic, this second point is very important, because in this case all the other

territories that he claims will then be much more ready to make concessions. when russia will offer them one or another integration proposals, this is the second such moment, the third moment is also very important, this is, as you understand, a demographic moment, russia, in principle, even if it does not succeed in taking over ukraine, wanted to radically reduce the population here, because ukraine throughout its existence and the russian empire and the soviet union, the ukrainian... was, relatively speaking, the only geopolitical competitor of the russian people, the number of ukrainians was always a large number, it was a large nation that could be reckoned with and had to be reckoned with, with other peoples of the empire we didn’t have to count in particular, and

there was no such second largest nation, neither in the russian empire nor in the soviet union, we talk a lot about the resistance of the baltic peoples, about the georgian resistance, about the chechen one... but these are all small nations, a couple of million to a million population. estonians are a nation that does not have a million. yes, it was a struggle, but this struggle was always in the conditions where the empire was glorified, because otherwise the estonians could count on being simply kicked out of estonia. yes, as it was after war with the crimean tatars, with the chechens, with the ingush, as it was during the war with the germans of the volga region, so... it was with the kalmyks, small nations cannot do anything against a large empire, no resistance helps, they can simply drown the entire nation into wagons and take them somewhere else, and this has happened more than once in the history of the russian empire, population replacement, you can't do it that easily with ukrainians, you can't take 40 million and you can't drive them out, so you can't

take them out and destroy them in one fell swoop. you understand, we are talking about the holodomor and the final one the solution of the jewish question before the second world war, during the second world war, but there are numbers there, relatively speaking, in the millions of people, not tens of millions, even technologically, i apologize for the cynicism, it is very difficult to destroy 40 million people at once, as let's say, the nazis did what they did to the jews, so such a people must be reduced, already now you and i... we understand that ukraine, which was a country there before the war in the 40s, has a population of 35-40 million, is probably there now there, 28-30 million people live on the territory of ukraine. i... to properly conduct this story with the energy collapse, a large number of people will be forced to leave, and you talked about kyiv, and you mention yesterday's barbaric

bombing of kharkiv, this is the same story, that is, the population must relocate, there was threatened, to move from the east and south, in the center to the west, and from the center and west to the borders of ukraine, and if... even the russian army does not manage to establish full control over this territory, then at the end of the war, if there is, conditionally speaking , not 40 million population, and 15, a country that was demographically the size of germany will turn into a country the size of slovakia, it will be a great victory for the putinites, they want this, and that is why a long war is beneficial to them, because this long war is objectively reduces the number of the ukrainian population, even if you imagine that you will not kill everyone, a large number of the population will be pushed out of the borders of ukraine, many will not return, many

will, of course, go to their families after the end of the war, this is a demographic war, we are talking about we never have that to forget, and a plus, mr. vitaly, the creation of this ephemeral buffer zone that putin dreams of, yes, they are trying to create it in the north of our country, you mentioned kharkiv. absolutely correct, the same can be said about sumy oblast, which just happens every day, i don’t believe in anything, but i believe that if they seize something there, they will be able to dig in somewhere in kharkiv oblast, in sumy oblast, hoping that they will not succeed, they will lead there in three months the referendum will announce the accession of the independent state kharkiv region to the russian federation will demand that ukrainian troops withdraw from the entire territory of the kharkiv region, as they are now... kherson or zaporizhzhia regions, and will already create a buffer zone for these regions in other regions of ukraine. this is the politics of salami. we can talk about the buffer

zone in the kurdish region because, unlike russia, we respect international law, and we are not going to annex anything foreign. and in russia, the issue of international law, as you understand, is very conditional, it has been around for a long time destroyed, and therefore all these talks about the bouver zone are just preparation for a new annexation. it's just that it justifies what we 're doing there, the buffer zone, and what, do you remember that they in donbas generally said that they were not there, and by the way, many people agreed with this, both in the west and in in ukraine, for reasons i do not understand, these figures of the dnr, lnr were called so-called separatists, although it was an accidental occupation, so all these are different receptions of the gabis, there is a people's republic, here is a buffer zone, then we wake up one fine day, in kharkiv... region referendum, why are they trying so hard to climb into vovchansk or storm kupling, so that they have some center from which they can hold a referendum and claim kharkiv,

because they hope that if they can annex even though b part of the kharkiv region, they will later force ukraine to withdraw from all those regions they annexed, this is their calculation, to the international context of our policy and support. countries , i would like to mention here that our country is asking individual states, including nato countries to provide an opportunity to use their weapons, at least pointwise on the territory of russia, deep into the territory of russia, in particular, this also applies to the offensive in the kursk region of russia, so in particular, the high representative of the european union from abroad. politician, josep borel, he stated that ukraine should obtain the permission of each country to use such weapons. we see that

some countries are ready to grant such permission, some, unfortunately, like italy, are not ready, we see statements, including the president of the czech republic, which says that ukraine needs to be given permission to actually hit targets with such weapons on... the sovereign territory of russia, right? and in this context, even after ukraine has demonstrated success in the kurdish region, even after russia continues its daily terror, we see that some states still doubt whether to give ukraine such an opportunity, we see that even our main ally in the united states... the united states of america still has such doubts, it would seem as if already, if all the red lines have been crossed, and it would be worthwhile to help ukraine in this matter, but

unanimity. still not, whether it will be, mr. vitaly, and that even now, even today, on the last day of the summer of 2024, prevents our key allies from making such a fateful decision for our armed forces. well, it is clear that the fear of nuclear war, this fear is not going anywhere and will not go anywhere, but it seems to me that it will be overcome little by little, because what was the end. and we also repeatedly talked about this, what was the concept of the russians and the west, in the first place period of this war. the russians have shown that they are ready to take any desperate steps, they have been scaring the west with nuclear terror since the first day of this great war, and the west all the time believed that if he was going to help

ukraine, yes... stop putin, sooner or later putin will realize that he has no way to seize the whole of ukraine, that his entire history has collapsed, and he will thus be forced to go to some negotiations, if not about the end, then the suspension of this terrible war, but it has already passed, as i said 2.5 years, no way... there is no intention on the part of putin that he has understood something, instead, putin himself constantly moves the red lines, i would say that the offensive of ukrainian troops in the kurdish region of the russian federation is one of the first examples when we moved the red lines, not putin, and that is why it shocked the russian helmsman so much, because he is used to the fact that he himself moves the red lines, everyone

else only reacts to it. so the west simply has to now also move the red lines for the simple reason that it putin needs to stop and they may think that if they, say, give permission to ukraine to use western weapons, i think that politicians like jose borel would not just talk about it if they didn't realize what they were talking about serious discussions at a high level in the west, of course in such a situation. this also needs to be understood, one way or another, the west would not simply announce such discussions, so there are discussions, maybe some western countries will start allowing ukraine to use their long-range weapons, maybe there, with the exception of, say, the united states, maybe with the exception of the nuclear states

, some form will be found. all this may be, perhaps f-16 aircraft, which will be supplied by non -americans, will be allowed to enter the airspace of the russian federation at a long distance, all this may be over time, again, it must be understood that all this will happen with sometimes, these are only the first years of the war, the first, it can happen in the fourth, fifth, sixth year of ours. interests for it to happen sooner, because the sooner this will happen, the sooner there will be a prospect that in the coming years the parties will come closer to the need for at least a truce, at least a humanitarian truce, at least such agreements that will allow us to preserve part of the energy, i do not see such agreements in 2024, 2025 years, but maybe on the 26th-27th such opportunities will arise, but for this you need to move these screams. red line,

but the west will still move them in such a way as not to give the russian federation the opportunity to use tactical nuclear weapons on the territory of ukraine, because the west definitely does not knows how to react in such a situation, and in order for it to happen, so to speak, systematically. the russians understand what the west is afraid of. when sergey lavrov says that the americans should not think that a nuclear war will take place exclusively in europe. that it will definitely affect america, it means that the russians are also starting to move red lines from their side, because earlier, when we talked about the danger of nuclear war, even war between the russian federation and the united states, it was believed that the russian federation could attack american military facilities in europe, both with the use of tactical nuclear weapons, maybe even with the use of strategic nuclear weapons, but we are talking about american

bases. on the european continent.