larry: hello folks welcome to kudlow i'm larry kudlow. in a few moments, fox's ace white house correspondent peter doocy will be here,

report on john kirby's briefing in white house and hostage story and the possibility of a longer ceasefire between israel and hamas. waiting in the winds great laura ingram. talking about the big ron desantis and gavin newsom debate on sean hannity show 8 p.m. former national security advise rare robert o'brien will talk with me about henry kissinger later. but with all that, i would like to begin with a discuss about how donald trump's bankers blew up the letitia james, case against the former president. that is right. couple deutsche bank folks, who have been lending millions of dollars to trump and the trump organization, down through the years, absolutely destroyed the stupid left wing new york socialist attack on

mr. trump. brilliant jonathan will be here later. but, in not legal terms, number of deutsche bank employees, the story, they told new york judge, they made millions of dollars from mr. trump's businesses and saw no fraud in the loans they approved, they told the judge that trump repaid his loans with interest, there was never a concern that trump defrauded the bank and unveiled a parade of e-mails going back years where bankers praise for the trumps and their businesses. bankers story goes back to 2011. that is 12 years ago, regarding renovation of the dural golf club near miami that was a success story. bankers testified that mr. trump paid off his

loans, paying off the loans ahead of schedule. the co-ceo of deutsche bank testified that bank in 2013 in a meeting in trump tower suggested that banking lend mr. trump more money because mr. trump's credit wordiness was so strong. now, this goofy justice with his tais to new york -- democratic machine barely listened to testimony, in new york. as elsewhere nowadays in biden years, republicans and conservatives are subjected to a two-tiered justice system. charges against mr. trump concerns allegations of inflated assets, alleged falsifying financial statement and insurance fraud, that is a fabrication. based on left wing

imagination. this is like the other charges again trump. in washington. and florida. and georgia. that would seek to deny former president his first amendment rights to free speech to express his own opinions, and in country, that right is not a crime. also in this country, if your banker offer toes you paid up every lone on time, or before the l loan came due that includes interest payments and there was no fraud. asset values are a matter of opinion, not science, key point is paying back the loan with interest, if bankers are saying this, then what are the prosecutors trying to do? prosecutors the democratic prosecutors trying to confiscate for trump's businesses and throw him in jail for 700 years, to impoverish him and keep him out of white house next november, that is what this is about.

including just to go back again, the 18 million dollar asset valuation. that the goofy new york judge believes m mar-a-lago is worth that judge in new york is the laughingstock of r real estate brokers that property mar-a-lago, i was just there, that thing is probably worth a billion dollars. not 18 million. "kcal news come -- open come back to silly new york case there, is no victim, or fraud, no statute violation, no intent, and there are no ill gotten gains. as with all these trumped-up charges by the democratic regime, there is no nothing. okay. that is my take. disagree, i understand. that is the way i see it jonathan turley will come

around later on, talking more about this. lelet's go to fox business ash webster with stats behind despite. gavin newsom versus ron desantis. oh, my gosh. ash, what are your stats? you know ashley, i'll take you over both. what are your stats? reporter: i would quit right there. and take it to the bank. ron desantis has more to lose tonight even though florida governor has a huge advantage over his california opponent with bragging rights, but the question is, can he make it count, big government versus small government and stats show a clear winner. i will prove it, look at tale of the tape,. looking at employment. 2019 florida gained over a million jobs, california lost 25 thousand. and unemployment rate at 4.

8% in california. in florida almost half at 2.8. and new be applications, 2.3 million in golden state, 2.7 million in florida. as for population. california lost just over a million residents, florida gained 737 thousand. as for spending, this is remarkable. california has a 31 1/2 billion dollar forth short fall, and florida with 17.7 billion surplus, and cost of gas, we do this a lot in florida. average is 3.17 a gallon and in california 4.84 thanks to higher taxes and the climate regulations. with those stats, i think you can expect gavin newsom to focus on the abortion issue, book banning, climate change, and desantis will have plenty of opportunity

to plug his resume, he does have the numbers to prove it. he has to get into center stage, and put on a performance that will win over a national audience. larry: you know, ash, what governor gavin newsom, who is an old friend of minor -- he needs to learn if you tack something more, you get less of it. if you tax something less, you get more of it. that is a very simple economics lesson. thank you so much ash webster we appreciate it. >> thank you. larry: to fox news peter doocy live at white house, thank you, peter, what is okaying? reporter: we hearing from officials at biden white house confirming details that president biden over week phoned bibi netanyahu imploring him to not order a military operation in gaza south. that looks like we saw in

gaza north. when meeting resumes. >> we have been consistent and clear with our israeli counterparts that we do not support a move to the south. unless or until they have adequately accounted for the protection of innocent human life. reporter: netanyahu told biden according acti axios he is going to gaza south because that is where hamas is now, coming from america's top diplomat antony blinken in israel there urging leaders to not sink to hamas' level. >> i said, the way israel defends itself matters. it is imperative that israel act with humanitarian law and laws of war, even when confronting a terrorist group.

reporter: as we watch a current secretary of state overseas advancings u.s. president's interest. president biden has nothing to say about the former secretary of state henry kissinger's passing late last night, we know that biden respected kissinger, a few weeks ago he said he knew as much as anybody but nothing, no written statements from press office this is very unusual after a major american historical figure like kissinger masses away. larry: bush league beater. that is what it is low rent politics. >> joining me now great laura ingraham host. the great laura, by the way, hannity debate is 9:00, i missm misspoke, i said 8:00, we have a couple themes to talk about. can i before we get to the

debate. micromanaging israel and the idf is what the bidens are doing, democrats in senate are doing stopping israel from an annihilating terrorists and murderers, i am not surprised but i am disappointed, i hope israel will ignore him. >> is it surprising to someone that politics trumps what is necessary? in the face of evil with the white house. they see their support among young voters declining, not just for foreign policy, the economy is horrific. this is a business network. >> we report business every now and then. >> yes, but, look, it was clear from the beginning they were in an uncomfortable high wire act

in dealing with israel, there is a toe in pond of politics and also in the pond of middle east foreign policy. and they don't know which way to go, what happens, you fall over. so to me this is a very risky gambit they are engaged in, and i think we should step back and let israel do what israel will do. larry: my thought, lit israel do -- >> we have not been good in middle east managing things. >> that is it. >> israel has done better than we have done. >> i would say. larry: let israel be israel and idf be idf, they could probably did to in next 3 or 4 months stop interfering, and micromanaging. >> what we're doing is already working so well in ukraine, it worked well in afghanistan. there is a pattern of failure with no accountability from pentagon leadership to state department leadership, we never have acunbility, same

policies get pushed they continue to crash and burn american people foot the bill, then we do it all over again. i say, time to take care of was at home, we have our ally, a democracy in middle east. we should respect that. we should support that. larry: we should attend to our borders. >> you think. larry: how about that idea, that is a fight in senate, house good, hr2, a good bill, senate, all over the place. democrats cannot little bit their act together. >> there is a huge political gain to be had for this in republicans if they were unified on the border, the emotion is reserved for issues like ukraine. other foreign policy issues, on part of our senate leadership, american people say, excuse me. have you been to our town square or bus station or air part, port, it is a cruel

policy our government has been rejected time and again by voters on this issue, and yet they are like open borders is their -- goal, the goal is right now, this is not an accident. larry: the biden goal. >> the republicans are not not unified, you can not obsolve them, they were not cheers when trump was talking about the wall, they didn't love the wall. larry: you have to do, keep building the wall but remain in m mexico. >> that is -- trump solved it. larry: that was a perfect. >> immediate turn back at border.. 98% of these people are economic migrants, they come with some economic benefit. we want -- this is such a boring debate for me, i have been having it for 20 years, with people, not with you,

we know and american people are saying their number one issue. number one. larry: yep, great. back to have fun gavin newsom and ron desantis. i want to repeat hannity debate atl is at 9 p.m. >> you were in a different time zone. down get sean mad. larry: what does laura ingraham make of this debate. with respect to desantis' opportunity of a sort you take over or under on desantis? >> well, look, you could argue what is desantis have to gain? there is an argument to say there is not a lot to be gained. however now with the coming to give nikki haley a boost, maybe ron desantis, i think had a fantastic debate. trump is not on stage, but he has done very well.

i think he has a chance to r really step out and step up. larry: we are redeem. >> i think his debate importanti performances have been fantastic. if some are some reason, nominee is not trump, who has the executive experiencing and track record, on the issues that people care about. it is -- if you just looking at it clinically that is ron desantis. tonight is a big opportunity. larry: if -- ash webster presentation, in "wall street journal," if i think if desantis had spoken up early in the campaign, a year ago, instead of getting involved in legal m with disney. >> ted cruz is bright here,

kind of within down that road. brilliant person, but, the issues that people care about are number one energy prices, border, economy, i will bring your gas down to $2. larry: that is right. so if desantis said drill baby drill or said we'll sustain the trump tax cuts and build on them more. >> do you think he would have been ahead of trump. larry: i don't know. because the republican party's heart and soul is with trump. it would have helped. >> larry, it would have helped. larry: not 50% lead but something less. >> you have trump and desantis and vivek ramaswamy, they are conservative populist that is quiefer 85% of the party. what is going on. the establishment still thinks we got this. larry: the donors. are -- >> big donors and big

democrats. larry: they are always wrong. >> they think it is 2004. >> not 2 2004. >> you have to the said a word about gavin newsom not a word. >> fun fact, gavin newsom he used to come on my video show he was first guest on my radio show, i hosted in san francisco, he was in studio, he was known at the pragmatist on the board. >> mayor of san francisco. >> he was onboard of supervisors, running for mayor, he got rid of those vouchers that they were giving out for nothing. he was pragmatic, things have changed. he is well spoken, he is an adept debater but he does not have facts on his side. larry: a thin deck, he will give it his best shot. he came on my old show, you are saying he was basically a moderate, sometimes pro

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larry: fox business ed edward lawrence live at white house, opec plus announcing cuts of another million barrels a day. what is up with that. reporter: before that, laura talked about the best hair debate. i don't know, that could be the best hair debate. going on, opec plus, one million barrels a day, they did a couple things two one is that extension adding 1 million, cutting back off of the production, they are also saudi arabia decided to

add extend its 1 million barrel a day cut for next year. two million a day cut. that will keep oil prices more elevated than right now. and the white house downplaying so far that decision coming into by opec, last monday, a spokesperson john kirby said they are concerned about energy transition not opec. >> president will keep focusing on a healthy global market that is properly balanced and can continue to bring the price of gasoline down in united states. >> opec plus in their meeting extending a m membership to brazil in part of alliance with china, india and south africa, cutting side deals. new maybe part of opec plus starts in january.

that co comes with invested. interest rates are high. jim: are. reporter: ne energy prices are up 40% from month that president biden took office that including electricity, 25 percent, the thing that president biden said his transition would reduce. there is no change in energy policy from this president since taken was on office, he is telling his aids to do that transition faster. larry: edward lawrence, dow jones industrial up 530 today. despite the cutback in oil production what do you make of that. reporter: i think that is reflection of federal reserve, market decides that

fed will not raise rates this year, there might be one more hike, they think that fed is done raidi -- raising rates and market believes there will be a rate cut next year, but federal reserve indicates that cut may not be there, that is open but market today reacting to that news of the pce inflation. larry: the top line pce inflation number 0.0, whatever the fed because market interest rates, treasury market interest rates, are coming down quite a bit and way, edward lawrence, terrific reporting appreciate it. >> now, we go to joining us now mike sommers president of the american petroleum institute, is it institute? there you go. mike sommers, you know, what are saudis think they will get out of these product production cutbacks,

high prices but since september, last september, when -- that was some cuts already in place, saudis announce continued actually brent crude prices have come down and west texas come down in open market, it is higher than 3 years ago, but they have come down, saudis are not getting 100 dollars a barrel. >> well, what a difference a decade makes. when you put this in perspective, united states double production just in last decade of american oil. and on gas side, american natural gas makes up 36% of the world production of natural gas. and that is pause of fracking revolution. we now at train .-- 13.2 million barrels a day on private land we're continuing to have problem

with the regulatory environment that we're dealing with you under the biden administration. larry: in late 2019, precovid, we were at 13.1 million barrels a day. so, in the ensuing 4 years, one of them was covid, that does not count. three of them was in current biden administration, we have not picked up at all. and we should be at probably mike i'll say, 15 million barrels a day. just running trend line, if you have drill, baby, drill there was no war against fossil fuels like now, we should be at 15. and if i am wrong we should be at 16, then mike sommers, you know where i'm going, we wouldn't give a hoot what opec plus is doing, and further more. we would be draining money from iran indecide of feeding irk -- instead of feeding iran and war and

terrorism, we would be draining money from iran and from russia. you know? soy, this thing is, um, out of hand, we need to change of policy. >> that is right. when you think about the american advantage, we have been able to get back up to 13.2 million barrels of production here in the united states despite a lot of policies that we're dealing with from this administration. cut off production on federal land and federal water they closed off alaska, we need more production here that will take real policy changes, the administration right now, is focused on decreasing american production, at a time we should be increasing it. because we know that the hostile regimes will continue their affords. larry: if prow deuce more -- you produce more what happens to price. >> it goes down. i will say, we'll continue to focus on getting policies

right. but we have to continue to invest in american oil and gas. we're in the depletion business. we policy that we have seen cutting off access to federal acres and federal waters and work they are doing to cut production in the great state of alaska, i think that everyone american should be concerned about policy decisions that are made today, that will lead and s. >> next energy crisis. larry: we have empowered saudis all over again, we have empowered iran all over again and empowered russia all over again, because of this war against fossil fuel, which is unnecessary. mike sommers, thank you for coming on. terrific stuff. >> take a quick brick and other side we'll talk about electric vehicle revolt with michigan congressman john james, and then more on henry kissinger's life and

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larry: so, 3900 car dealers are launching a revolt against the biden's electric vehicle push. joining us now is michigan cond congressman john james. you -- thank you for coming back on, this is not a good story. this is not a good story. and carmakers, at least i know 'ford, they are the losing a efficie fortune. >> i am a former automotive supplier, i recognize that forced transition. that is pushed down from federal government, everyone

from dealers to mechanics and suppliers, they will crater the economy. let's be clear, you have been talking about this, it has been great, biden administration they don't hate oil and gas, they hate american oil and gas, when you have the former governor of michigan selling our strategic petroleum preserves and making us weaker and forcing the electric vehicle transition, people te people don't want, they are more expensive and make us more depend on china. larry: as you know. the bidens are spending a efficient on subsidies to do this. the irony is the rare earth minerals and stuff we have plenty of that here in the united states, they won't let folks drill for that stuff. it is pad enough they won't let us drill for natural gas

and oil but they won't let us t drill for air earth minerals that go into the darn batteries, how steuch stupid is that. >> it is very nonsensical. we have lithium, you have regulatory environment. that does not allow to us maintain our emergency independents for ev's and batteries, lower energy cost act, hr1 that we passed through house this past first quarter of the opposed by timdemocrat and administration, that would lower cost of energy and allow people have to have lower cost of everything, we need to have an imagi administration that understands the pain they are putting on the american people. i think they want to do that. we make sure we have all of

the above energy approach. larry: kevin mccarthy came on the show a while back and called it the kudlow bill. every night, i sept said drill. it is not happening until we get somebody different in white house, we need some sensible majorities in house and senate to str straighten these policies out, america is going down the wrong road right now. if you want to do ev, fine, as a matter of choice, you want solar and wind, find but don't spend trillions of dollars jamming it down our throats. >> we can't wait that long, i am working on policy right now. hold administration accountable for regulation that would increase cost to our industry to failure to meet unrealistic objectives,

make sure we protect and lower our costs across america. larry: thank you, john james, we ti appreciate it. >> back, to life and legacy of great henry kissinger, friend robert o'brien knew him well. thank you robert. henry is a controversial guy, great people are always controversial we knew him personally, i thought he was the lovely and gracious, the question, you might consider his legacy, take a stab at it. we don't have enough time, you will come on radio for me, but, what is his legacy? >> what a life he lead, we knew him, 100 years, what an american story. flees germany as a refugee, comes here, turning and enlists in the army as a

sergeant. and goes to fights the nazis, comes home, gets his doctorate from harvard, teaches from harvard, and advises every president from john f. kennedy to joe biden, and helped you and me on the way. he served two presidents in office, nixon and ford, and helped with the key role in the war in 1973. saving israel. brought about opening of china. and that is controversial. granted but major. peace in vietnam with paris peace accords what a career. larry: do you remember, a quick anecdote, the day we signed deal with china, phase one deal. the chinese have not

observed, besigned that deal -- we signed that deal. how was there rip rip representing xi, you are wheeling kissinger, he was in a wheelchair, in the basement we brought him up to dining room remind the oval, a lot of people they cleared decks we wheeled henry in next to president trump. and trump said to henry, well, henry, what do you think, henry with his accent said, well, i wouldn't have done it that way. but you won. trump broke out in a big smile. i mean henry knew, i think in his last years, that china was not the same china that when hi when he opened it back to a communist dictator ship.

i think he knew that. >> he did, what -- chairman of nixon library we had henry out there a number of times, he was gracious and came in helped promote president nixon's legacy, we talked about it on the last visit, he said, when we let china in wto is when things changed, china took advantage of situation, claimed to be a developing country. raireally hollowed out our middle class it was not same china he opened with. he understood it. that china are not the same regime that he dealt with for years, he knew they took advantage of the world. larry: wire running a picture of you, and henry kissinger, on a cane at that

point. but that point about wto is right, henry knew that, this was li lighthizer's point, and trump's point, whole game has changed for the worst. and the wto thing never should have happened. and china has become far more repressive. than it was when during the market opening days, let's say of 80s, and 90s. but, i think you know, whatever the controversy henry was a brilliant man. he gave tremendous service to the this country, you talk about world war ii record, which is important. and then government service. that is pretty darn unusual. i am disappointed that president biden has not said anything nice about kissinger, because kissinger advised biden at biden's request. >> when i was in national security advice rare henry would talk to me about every

week or 2, any time i had a big negotiation with russia or chinese or in middle east, i was always on phone with henry, he was wise, he never told me what to do but he gave he his m bef best advice, we beb became friends. we gave him the architecture peace award, recognizing his royal with the paris peace awards and rhodesia and that civil war there. and every turn he was man of peace, he is unfortunately the far left has always hated him like they hated nixon and trump. and it is really unfortunate my wife m made the point how sad that man who dedicated his whole life to his adoptive country there is so much nastiness, it goes to anti-semitism we're

seeing n now among left and progressives, you know, henry kissingery was a great american and i am proud to be his friend, in the trade negotiations you mentioned light thli lighthizer and trump there was a guy named kudlow who had a big part. larry: i sp spend 5 1/2 hours with henley, three legal pads later on china. robert o'brien thank you for giving us your time, appreciate it. >> coming up president trump's bankers just blew up the foundy new york fraud case. gains the president. wild talk to jonathan turley, who of g give us legal analysis, i gave you my riff. jonathan tuci turley on the blow up by trump's

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the great jonathan turley, who knows about this stuff. that is my view. i am giving the floor to you. >> well, it was an amazing day in court, i have a column on that testimony coming out in the messenger, i considered it extraordinary, highlighting the problem or curious aspect of the case, you have a new york law that allows james to preside against trump -- precede against trump even though though one lost money and banks did not complain and asking for a "nuclear option," trying to end the role of corporation of new york, taking away certificates. and imposing a quarter of a billion dollars in damages for money that was not lost. so these guys get on stand, they say, look, of evestimates differ, and

we made money, and then we tried to get more loans with the trumps. they describe president trump as a whale client someone that you rail want, disconnect of that testimony with what james is seeking, is really b breath taking at what point do we address the critical question here. there does appear to me to be estimation problem from the trump side but i can't find a case like this. i can't find a case that comes close to what james is trying to do here. >> jonathan, rare thing, i spend many years on w wall street, rare when your banker comes to defend you, very rare. and in this day and age. that is what happened. the bankers came, with a

straight face, and said here are the numbers. it you are right. it i is a victimless crime, deutsche bank made a ton of money from trump, last month, we don't have much time, but, what is a business. >> it is bizarre like a -- a --, where they victim comes in said no, i have the car it came back worth more. it is hard to make that a compelling case. larry: you got it jonathan turley, they. blew it up thank . >> thank you. larry: all right, i'm kudlow, i'll be right back with my last word. ™ debit card

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