shined obviously this year. liz: you know, it is amazing to me that you've got to start early to get that compounded interest and then hold on to it. we've got a fed meeting really quick. you think that they will cut by march? that is what the fed funds futures are saying? >> that's what the futures are saying. they need to get the yield curve established in a more, get the inversion ended so i think they will cut, for that purpose only and the tremendous amount of pressure they have on refinancing $8 trillion worth of debt and the new debt that we'll continue to add. liz: tim, i wish you hadn't said the "d" word, debt. [closing bell rings] thank you so much. the dow looks to close down about 74 points. the s&p down in the red barely by a point. nasdaq in the green by 46. we will see you tomorrow. ♪ larry: hello, folks, welcome to "kudlow," i'm larry kudlow.

so israel intensifies its strike in southern gaza and the state department apparently now believes hamas committed atrocities. well good for them. our own edward lawrence live from the white house with more. edward i don't mean to front run you, that is the way i read i but you can straighten me out please as always. >> reporter: no, you hit it exactly on the head, president joe biden is not here. he is at two fund raising events. the second one is starting right now in boston. state department is walking a tightrope trying to support israel but trying to get the israelis to slow down in gaza. >> the places where civilians are going are overcrowded they need more humanitarian assistance, they need more food and water. in that respect we don't think israel is doing enough. they need to allow more humanitarian assistance. they need to increase more

trucks. one you hundred a day is not enough. >> reporter: spokesman, matthew miller, hamas refusing to release all female hostages is the reason the pause ended but declined to say what exactly the u.s. knows about allegation of current rapes committed by hamas. >> we have seen the evidence that the atrocities hamas committed on october 7th, included sexual assault. there was incredibly compelling, first-hand accounts from eyewitnesses and first-responders and physicians about hamas's sexual violence against women and girls on that day. >> reporter: over the weekend the u.s. struck first on an iranian proxy about to attack u.s. troops. at least 75 times iranian proxies have attacked u.s. targets or vessels in the red sea. this is a change in response though from waiting until it happened to stopping it before. >> we're going to do what's necessary to protect our forces in this particular case. again you know, it's what i

would consider a dynamic strike in the sense that they saw this attack about to happen, took appropriate action to eliminate the threat. >> reporter: but there are no additional moves being made by this president against iran. we'll have to wait to see what happens there. larry? >> that is the part, edward, i don't understand. we know it is iran. we know they're the paymaster, we know they're the puppeteer, we know they're the orchestra leader, we don't seem to do anything about it. gee whiz i don't get it. edward lawrences great reporting, we appreciate it. just a moment senator roger marshall will talk about joe biden's 106 billion-dollar foreign aid plan and whether there will be any meaningful border security changes in it but first up i want to update on a number of worrisome economic headlines. the recent forecasting survey by the national association of business economists, nabe, it

shows 50% expect recession and the rest expect only 1% growth next year. meanwhile the november fox poll found that 78% of voters rate the economy negatively and inflation remain as top concern. meanwhile over at "investor's business daily," the tip poll which has been rated the most accurate and objective of all the polls, that one says 50% believe we're currently in a recession. 64% believe recession is likely in 2024 and 80% are simply concerned about a recession next year and interestingly, 41% of democrats think we're in recession. 58% of republicans do and 56% of independents. it is across the board, politics don't matter. the new york fed interest rate model predicting a 52% recession probability next year. meanwhile manufacturing has been

contracting for 13 straight months. the index of leading indicators, lei has fallen 19 straight months, the money supply is shrinking, business investment is falling, the yield curve subside down, topsy-turvy with short rates higher than long rates. now on the plus side the stock market has been doing very well and market interest rates have fallen significantly even while the fed is standing pat but a resilient labor market may have shown some important cracks in today's jolts report. job openings fell precipitously. inflation has come down but, prices are still high and real wages are still falling. and the biden administration foolishly continues to pursue its big government socialist green new deal that is keeping fossil production lower than it should be and fossil prices still too high even though they have come down a bit. since early 2020, listen to this, since early 2020, federal

spending has increased $9 trillion and 60% of that has been monetized by the fed. that from former federal reserve governor kevin warsh. now that is your basic fiscal and monetary inflation which unfortunately has washed out much of the productivity and wage gains of the trump tax and job act of 2017. so almost surely the economy is headed for a significant slump. now it suffered inflationary recession in the first half of 2022. maybe headed for deflationary recession next year 2024 but there is a way out. there is a cure. how about spending less, taxing less, regulating less, and fracking more? how about putting big government socialism into a deep dig grave and replace it with economic freedom where free-market capitalism is the best path to

prosperity? you know growth makes people happier and america could use more growth and happiness. that is my riff. we'll talk more about all this economic stuff later in the show with steve moore and michael falkander. first up let's bring in kansas senator roger marshall. senator, welcome back to the show. i would like to dive in on this 106 billion-dollar package. chuck schumer is out bloviating it one way or another. i think if we have the sound from mitch, we have mitch mcconnell's sound which will interest you. i think it will make you happier. anyway, please take a listen. >> i'm advocating and i hope all of our members vote no on the motion to proceed to the shell to make the point hopefully for the final time that we insist on

meaningful changes to the border. larry: so, senator marshall that is pretty good, mitch digging his heels in. i think you will approve. give us the state of play on this whole story, please? >> right. well certainly agree with leader mcconnell's statement there and how strong he is on this particular issue that this supplemental bill is going down. we're hell no on this cloture bill we'll be voting on wednesday. i expect all republicans to vote against it. we're sending a very, very clear message to chuck schumer. it's the border, it's the border. if we don't secure the border nothing else is happening. we can debate ukraine until the cows come home. look, israel needs our help but if we don't secure our border nothing else is happening and i'm so glad our own leadership is indeed dug their heels in on the issue. larry: senator, what would you like to see as regards a change in border policies?

what would you like to put in there, sir? >> well look, i think hr.2 is a great starting point. for the folks at home that haven't read all of hr.2, it starts with fixing the asylum process. 50 to maybe 75% of the encounters at the border are led into this country because the asylum issue needs to be fixed. this president as paroled 1.7 million people under his tenure. we need to fix asylum and parole. we need more border patrol officers. guess what? we need to build the wall. we have to secure the border, to funnel these people into central locations. even today, 10,000 people crossed our border illegally yesterday. 10,000, we have no idea how many got-aways there were. but there has been 1.7 million got-aways since joe biden was sworn in. that is the start of it. some type of accountability on the president. we know he likes to break the law. we need to do some type of teeth to this when he doesn't enforce the law he will be opinion niched.

larry: these are the biden illegals, that's what they are, the biden illegals. i was listening carefully, i know i'm old and slightly infirmed but i didn't hear remain in mexico? >> to mean the remain in mexico party would be the part of the asylum fix in my imagination as well. remain in mexico would be part of it. none of this catch-and-release as well. when we fix the asylum process that would be part of it. larry: i was trying to help a helpful suggestion in a clumsy way, senator. you know it is such a pleasure. let's switch gears. this woosie state department, listen to this, i want to get your take on this because i don't know what the heck this guy is actually saying. hang on one moment, senator. >> what we've said we're sending every signal we can to iran they should not want this conflict to be expanded. we have made very clear it is not in anyone's interest in the region for this conflict to be expanded. the united states certainly

doesn't want it to be expanded but at the same time we will take the measures that are necessary to protect our personnel in the region and our interests in the region. larry: what is he saying? we've been hit 75 times. they're all iranian proxies. he is now sort of, kind of, sort of acknowledging they're iranian proxies but we don't do anything. we do not do anything except appease them. senator, what's, we should be hitting them back. they hit us, we should hit them five times. hit their oil fields okay? take one of their ships out, i don't know, something. >> absolutely larry. why don't we send them more blankets, right? that is what the previous administration was sending them blankets. as i see the score it is 76 to 6. they have, that they, iranian proxies have attacked american troops 76 times. we retaliated only six times. i got a suggestion for you. iran has over 300 ghost ships. those ships are running russian

oil illegally to china. how about we intercepting those ghost ships? i think you're exactly right, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. heaven forbid we have american soldiers die there better be significant retaliation. let's be proactive. whatever it takes to hold iran accountable a whole lot more than we do on the sanction side but let's seize their ships. larry: also, iran is outside of the agreed upon congressional mon dated sanctions. they're outside them. so we have every right to interdict ships for example. we have every right to stop them on the high seas but we also, in terms of their hitting us, hitting them we have every right to knock out an oil field. in other words, it has got to hurt. maximum force is what they understand. they don't understand diplomacy. they don't understand you know, nice looking kids from the state

department blowing smoke at us. they understand force like taking out soleimani is what donald trump did and i think that is where you have to go. i don't know what they're waiting for these bidens what are they waiting for? >> larry this is why we need a change in the white house t it comes back to that. larry: yeah. >> you and i can talk about this until there is a change in the white house, until a person make america secure, secure the border, make us a strong force on the world stage again, that doesn't bow to world opinion as well, until we have a strong military more focused on lethality than we are on social issues, none of this matters right now. our enemies are laughing at us. we're enriching iran. we enriched them to the tune of $60 billion under this administration. why people will get up and vote and eye elect donald trump the next president of the united states. larry: i suspect so. senator roger marshall, we appreciate it very much. see you soon. >> thanks, larry. larry: coming up here on "kudlow," idf spokesperson

daniel hagari says israel is kicking butt in south gaza but hamas still has 138 hostages. we'll talk about it with aaron cohen israeli special-ops counterterrorism veteran. stick with "kudlow" right here. don't stick with the state department. stick with "kudlow." we take more action. we'll be right back. ♪.

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♪. larry: so israel is kicking some butt in south gaza which is wonderful but hamas still has 138 hostages and of course the state department continues to try to slow israel down which is not good. joining me now to parse through all of this, aaron cohen, israeli special-ops counterterrorism veteran, founder of cherries, specializes in counterterrorism training in law enforcement. aaron, they're kicking butt by all reports. that is the really good news. the bad news the state department can't keep its yap shut. here is the question, you can can firm they're kicking butt but, but, what is it that people want israel to do? why don't people put conditions on ham last? why don't they ask that hamas operate through the so-called global rules of war or whatever? why is it always israel?

>> you know, larry i don't even understand why hamas is even part of the conversation. they're a terrorist organization. it is not even legitimate warfare. 1400 israelis burned, massacred, slaughtered. sexual assault finally coming out after 50 plus days. weaponizeed as tool of war. it is not a tool of war. it is terrorism. my contention, larry, here is where i'm at with this, as far as biden and administration not coming out or trying to keep the cuffs on israel, i think it is fire. i think it is fear what israel could have easily done on october 8th which turned gaza into a parking lot. if israel wanted to destroy gaza, and every palestinian in gaza, in hebrew we say, we can do that in one second but we won't. israel won't. the reason why it is because like we've said the palestinian lives matter but the u.s. cannot dictate the terms of how israel operates. i think blinken went down there,

i think his eyes were opened. he saw the destruction. he saw the carnage. he was at the death kibbutzes what i've been calling them larry. election coming up. a year out, trying to show some face, do the politics but at the end of the ajdabiya will do what he will try to do. bibi will do what he has to do. special-ops, dangerous work but we'll continue to be super careful that is what makes israel great. every 10 yards. larry: right, right, amen. but every time some state department bureaucrat whatever, u.n. bureaucrat or whoever starts on israel we want you to observe the rules of international war -- >> where is the hostages? where is our hostages? where is our hostages? larry: that's it, not only that, not only that, but think use the hostages as human shields.

reporters, or somebody should say that why is hamas is breaking, this is clear break of international law by using hostages as human shields and why won't they return the hostages 138 hostages? >> larry, let me tell you what i think it is. i think cyclogyl warfare used very kerry by hamas as i said to you before, i think the gaslighting, the gaslighting which is really powerful has managed to whiz its way into the white house, pulling at heartstrings of international community, very heartfelt stuff. using civilians as a smoke screen is the only piece that hamas has to play in this situation after the at atrocities and has creeped its way into the oval office but at the end of the day israel will do its job and do it better than anybody else. nobody is more precise as israel. how many beatings i took before

hitting civilians. larry: i started reading the book. >> it explains context and training to make sure our muzzles are ever crossing civilians. we're not killing. dead terrorists don't do us any good either. we prefer to capture them to prevent the next attack. i feel bad for the idf spokesman. it is very tough. they're getting beaten up. but they're handling it. fortunately i get to say what i want for you, uncle larry. i'm grateful for you. we'll keep -- larry: tell them, tell them to send me another minister on set, economic minister was fabulous. give me another minister. aaron you and i will keep talking about this, very frankly in the open. best thing we can do. i believe it is the best thing i can do to help the cause. >> uncle larry, we appreciate you. larry: you notice my pin. >> we appreciate you. larry: aaron cohen, the prince. best of the best. coming back to "kudlow," the

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snow. larry: so the pathetic presidents of ivy league universities were grilled on capitol hill today about the rise of anti-semitism which they have done virtually nothing. fox business's hilary vaughn has more for us from the hill.

hilary, i don't know, maybe i shouldn't use that adjective but you tell us what they said or did. >> reporter: hi, larry. well college students say that college campus presidents are not doing enough to respond to these anti-israel protests. they said so far the response has been at times negligence and a lot of times these anti-semitic chants have been met with deafening silence from the college presidents but today college presidents declared here on capitol hill what many would not say to their student face-to-face which is that israel has a right to exist but when asked if calling for the genocide of jewish people violated their colleges code of conduct the answer was not so simple. >> this is the easiest question to answer yes, miss mcgill. >> if the speech becomes conduct -- >> conduct meaning committing the act of genocide? i will give you one more opportunity. does calling for the genocide of

jews violate penn's code of conduct when it comes to bullying or harrassment, yes or no? >> it can be harassment. >> dr. gay, at harvard calling for the genocide of jews violate harvard's rules on bullying or harrassment, yes or no? >> it can be depending on the context. >> reporter: leaders tip tee adil cat dance not palestinian protesters. not fellow peers are parroting this kind of talk but some professors still have job. >> why did penn left professor jamal off the hook led hundreds of students chanting, only one solution, intifada, one solution. why does the professor have your job at the university and penn professor norton repeat thely denied hamas's atrocities on october 7th.

>> i'm troubled by what you're describing congressman. >> you're speaking out of both sides of your mouth. you're defending it. you allowed these professors to teach at your college. >> reporter: lawmakers are looking at number of ways, larry to hold the colleges accountable, withholding federal funds or taxing their billion dollar endowment. larry: hilary, i am glad i called them pa threat tick. i don't like to front run reporters like you. you're all great reporters and i have great respect. they were pathetic. i listened to it and they were just pathetic and should be fired. was that guy from indiana, democrat or republican, banks? >> reporter: republican. larry: first of all, hilary vaughn, great report, even though it is kind of turning my stomach. let us move on. >> reporter: thank you. larry: katie pavlich, editor of townhall.com, fox news contributor, charlie hurt,

"washington times" and fox news contributor. i want to get to sean hannity and former president trump but katie, listening to those ivy league presidents was stomach-turning and pathetic. that's what i think. i mean how the hell do they still have their jobs? awful! >> it's horrible and i think what was very clear today by the republicans asking these questions is that these administrators and the faculty that they oversee don't live up to their own standards of conduct and discrimination. i've been on dozens of college campuses where i have been protested and there are safe spaces for all kinds of groups but when comes to what we're seeing pro-hamas, proviolence against jewish students, somehow the safe spaces for jewish students who are really underthreat and mobbed in cafeterias and told to hide in attics, there doesn't seem to be any room for them in the handbook of northern discrimination at these

universities. larry: incredible. charlie hurt, if my memory, couple weeks ago the head of mit for gods sakes, how many government contracts do they have, the head of mit wouldn't let the jewish kids in the front door of the university because it was going to cause trouble, really? i mean, this is worse than the civil rights movement years ago. >> no it is utterly, totally, completely indefensible and sadly we've known for a long time that these colleges and universities were peddling poison. i had no idea it was just this bad and it was so bad that you actually have university presidents who are, like defending it. like they don't actually see how disgusting this stuff is but the second thing, larry, that is really depressing about all of this it is a poison that leeched into our politics or maybe it come from our politics but the only people who are lighting

these people up are republicans. this should be like, it is a pretty low bar but condemning calls for genocide ought to be sort of a bipartisan issue in this country. up until like yesterday it was. larry: elise steph nan nick is actually right, it should be the easiest question they should be faced as a college president. you're right, they have to parse through lord knows what. you know, katie, with the great sean hannity and former president trump, i mean they ought to talk about that. trump ought to talk about that. this anti-semitism because it's clear to me the tide has turned, okay. the country is in favor of israel but the country is opposed to this horrible hate-filled anti-semitism and i think trump would be wise to put that on his agenda. what you think? >> yeah. i think the country for the most part, majority of the country is opposed to terrorism he specially when it comes to is

lame uk terrorism we've seen in number of communities in michigan in particular. people coming out in favor of what happened on october 7th which was one of the worst terrorist attacks we've seen and certainly the worst terrorist attack israel has ever seen in its history since being founded as a country in 1948. so the president should absolutely talk about that. should talk how joe biden is trying to waiver on this issue for the sake of those people in his party's base who want him to pull away from the morality of backing israel and anti-terrorism and the national security implications that would have for the united states of america. larry: we have an islamaphobic, islamophobia inneragency group in the white house but we don't have a anti-semitism interagency group in the white house? i was going to say how trump needs to stay on his economic growth message because a lot of experts are talking recession and i've got two experts sitting

up here right on set but polls are showing recession but this thing, a report from hilary vaughn who is a fabulous reporter watching these people i'm burned up. i'm sorry, i am just burned up by it. i suppose i'm losing my cool but how can these overeducated, ivy league college presidents not give a simple yes or no answer to hate crimes and anti-semitism and related matters? give you the last word, charlie hurt. >> and think of all the ways these huge universities are protected and enriched by the government, by the federal government. larry: absolutely. they're on the payroll. >> there politician who could get in there and actually make an issue out of something like this and i agree with you, i wish donald trump would. he should absolutely light up these universities and come up with real plans to target -- whether it is student loans, all the ways that these universities are, you know, benefit from the

largess of taxpayers and are protected in ways that regular, regular corporations and non-profits aren't protected i think a guy like donald trump could actually make a huge issue out of this. larry: he could tell them we'll cut off your money. these schools are on the government dole big time. that is the dirty little secret. >> real quickly, larry one more thing. larry: quickly,. >> these schools are getting foreign money from are heart forking hamas terrorists. president could address the issue, iranian issue where we have getting attacked dozens of times not to respond. >> we're paying them to attack us. >> yeah, we are. larry: katie pavlich, charlie hurt. come back soon. we miss both of you. all right, be sure to tune into sean hannity tonight, 9:00 p.m. eastern, fox news. trump's town hall in iowa. it will be very cool. now let's do a little work on the economy.

joining us, we have the geniuses here. michael falkender, chief economist at america first policy institute and moonlights as a professor at the university of maryland and the great steve moore from freedomworks, committee to unleash prosperity and host of the "moore money" radio show on wabc radio and we all came from the committee to unleash prosperity events today but i mean, i read in the riff, i don't know if you heard the riff or saw the riff, you have got "investor's business daily" polling, probably the best pollsters in the country and the most objective, they're showing bipartisan recession, okay? nabe met yesterday, business economists. 50% of them looking for recession. the "fox poll" shows how concerned everybody is is, what is it 78%, 80% worried about recession. the new york fed interest rate model which is the yield curve

model shows over 50% probability of recession. so, i begin with you, mike falkender, we need growth models here around we need to talk about growth models, okay? i'm not opposed to impeachment discussions if the evidence is there but like laugher -- laffer said on set last night we need a growth model. do we have one? >> under this administration? larry, we do not. we have two different economieses. private sector is headed into recession if it is not been there already a little while but the government side borrowing a lot of money and spending like there is no tomorrow. if you look at the jobs reports over last couple months the growth has been in sectors related to the economy. i think there is this divide amongst economists and amongst practitioners looking at an economy because is the government side going to overcome it but of course the problem we've got is the one you mentioned. government driven economy is not sustainable growth. you need private sector

innovation, productivity improvements that will lead to real wages without inflation and that's not going to come from massive government spending and regulation. larry: by the way the jolts report really tanked today. it is very interesting. you know, steve, i was talking about look, we need less spending, less regulating, less taxing, that is easy. we need more fracking. that is easy. kevin warsh who was on our panel said a great stat which i used in my riff and attributed to him, since early 2020, they have had nine trillion dollar increase in federal spending. 60% of which was monetized by the fed. >> that's right. larry: so that is your basic -- inflation, that is where it is. now some of that shrunk but not all of it. >> a couple observations, number one, when you cite these economists you might face recession next year, you cite

polling most americans think we're already in recession. larry: yes. >> the one of the things shine came through shining in this economic conference, middle class are facing 15, 20% increases in prices. just because inflation has come down doesn't mean higher prices, they are permanent. so they're getting really screwed by this number two, the first chart we showed at this conference was if, i'm tired of people saying we can't grow out of these problems. we can grow out of these problems. larry: sure we can. >> if we get back to the three -- 3.2 -- larry: 3 1/2, 3 1/2. 1947 to two 3.5% per annum. >> even if we get three, let's be modest here -- larry: grew at 5% during the kennedy tax cuts. grew at 5% during the reagan tax cuts. just saying. >> give me three. give me three. you will see that curve on the didn't fall and going to see obviously prosperity. we don't have to be root canal republicans as jack kemp used to

say. don't cut social security. get the economy growing through you said it best, lower spending, lower taxes, lower regulation and more trade. that is something fred smith talked about. larry: more fracking. more fracking. >> liquid gold. larry: liquid gold. >> unleash the liquid gold. larry: that is a fabulous way to play it, unleash the liquid gold. it permeates. you're the one that said it a year ago on this show. it permeates every aspect of the economy. like the most inflationary thing but it is, you can't grow the economy without power. that's what this is about. 80% of the power is fossils. >> larry, did you see that, in just the last three or four days the biden administration over at this crappy cop 28 they say first they said we'll not build another coal plant ever again. they will shut down every coal plant in america. that is 30% of our electricity. then vice president kamala harris says we're going after methane right now.

methane is natural gas. larry, you have just reduced half of our energy supply in america. these people are serious as a heart attack. larry: kevin o'leary, mr. wonderful was on this show, very smart man. he is a very savvy investor. he was at that conference. he said the trouble with, the trouble with all these climate crazies is, they're such a thing as clean coal and clean oil and, of course natural gas very clean. they are already doing scrubbers and sequestering into the ground to help the coal story. of course john kerry the hypocrite that he is, never talks about the biggest coal player in the world is -- >> china. larry: china. india incidentally very close second. >> they they are get to mention we have actually reduced our carbon emissions with the shift from coal to natural gas. all the while china is emitting 2 1/2 times of carbon emissions we're doing and they have no plan to abide to the paris climate accords to 030 maybe. the idea we'll spend trillions

of dollars to make american companies cut back on their activity, ship a bunch of jobs and wealth abroad, china continues to unleash all the carbon emissions it wants, will put us at comparative disadvantage, destroying national security. it is you willerly insane. >> china didn't show up. larry: they're way too smart. mike falkender, steve moore, terrific stuff. thanks very much. coming up republicans are trying to stop joe biden's 10 billion-dollar transfer to iran. really the bidens should be bombing iran, not giving them money. we have senator roger wicker, ranking member of the armed services committee. he will join us next. i don't want a recession. i want a growth model. remember, folks, "kudlow" is now available as a podcast. episodes are available every weekday right after our show on spotify on apple and on foxbusinesspodcast.com. don't miss a thing. podcast us.

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the senate armed services committee. senator wicker, welcome back. it is unbelievable to me, truly unbelievable to me, that the administration would go through and unfreeze $10 billion which as you know is all about electricity. it is not about medicine. it is not about humanitarian aid. it is about electricity but it is about war. iran is waging war on us, sir. can you stop it? >> well, you know i've got a freight -- great idea, larry, let's put it to a vote in the house and senate and let the elected representatives of the people vote on that with less than a year going before the election to see how those who obviously have to answer the voters feel about that. yes, we can stop it. yes, we should stop it. now it seems that the administration maybe has the legal authority to do that but i was happy to go in with senator hagerty and others and point out the fallacy in this. whether it will go through i

don't know but we hear it hasn't gone through yet and i hope we can stop it. larry: i mean your point about putting it up to a vote, probably worth a try. i don't know if you can do that or not but, i think, senator, if you kept the drumbeat going, make sure the public knows exactly what is going on here, you might be able to turn this around? >> maybe so. and really, it should be an election year issue. it is just part and parcel larry, of the weakness this administration has shown with the disasterous withdrawal from afghanistan, the half-measures that we've given to our allies when they really need our full support. it is just part of that and i really do think it is a sign of weakness that china watches, that iran watches, and that certainly vladmir putin is looking at.

those three powers are in all of this together and you can rest assured that xi xinping is smiling about this as well as the russians. larry: it is a great point. the other thing is, you've been leading on this too, they're shooting at us, all these iran-backed terrorist groups, hut thinks, they're shooting at us when will we shoot back? i don't mean taking out some depot in the middle of syria. i mean going to hit back something that would really matter? you know the way trump took out soleimani, hit something, when are we going to do that? >> absolutely and i can tell you, we just had a classified briefing, i can't tell you what the testimony was but i can tell you what some of the senators said and it was exactly that. when are we going to actually hit back in some meaningful way and it is not just some aspirin factory somewhere. it is something that will really

hurt. and, you can rest assured republican senators were making that point. we'll let the administration tell you what their classify answer to that was. larry: also, senator wicker as you know, the sanctions themselves have been broken. i just don't mean this 10 billion-dollar thing. there is 35 or 40 billion money coming from iranian oil shipped to china for example. that breaks the sanctions. we are supposed to have -- we're forbidden on that. mitch mcconnell has made, mitch has said where is the interdiction? why don't we take it out? why don't we stop the ships on the high seas that kind of thing? senator keane, jack keane has said, why don't we bomb, why don't we bomb a training center, command-and-control center? my take, bomb an iranian oil field, something to show american strength? >> their energy infrastructure,

absolutely. that is what ronald reagan would have done. the result would actually be a more peaceful planet. ronald reagan believed in peace through strength. he didn't mind showing it when it was necessary. larry: senator wicker, thanks for leading the charge, sir, i hope we stay with it. thanks very much. >> thank you very much. call anytime. larry: thank you. all right, folks i will be right back with my last word or two. my money should work as hard as i do. that's why i used my freedom unlimited card every time i get gas. [laughing] get a little slack on pump three! earn big with chase freedom unlimited. how do you cashback? chase. make more of what's yours.

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