bonds makes sense for clients today. liz: we literally have 15 seconds which part of the yield curve? >> i like the belly of the curve. five years out to 10 years is the most attractive part of the curve because the five-year will respond to fed policy if they cut and 10-year will be less risk to the portfolio for your investors, liz. liz: good to see you, jeffrey sherman, thank you very, very much of doubleline. [closing bell rings] stock closing session highs. we have david reubenstein and kyle bass as well. i will see you tomorrow. ♪. larry: mellow, folks, welcome to "kudlow," i'm larry kudlow. in a few moments ace reporter grave jenkins at the southern border in eagle pass, texas. he will report on a new daily record biden illegal migrant

flows. it is never ending and despite these record illegal migrants hilary vaughn will report on capitol hill that the democrats are still preventing a deal to stop the flows at the border but, we've also got some breaking news on special counsel jack smith. he now thinks he can run the supreme court. okay. smith wants the supremes to quickly decide whether former president donald trump in fact has absolute immunity from the criminal charges that president biden, ag merrick garland, mr. smith, district judge shut kin and other various white house minions are all fighting against. obviously team biden thinks mr. trump does not have immunity and they think they will throw him jail for about 750 years so he can't run in the presidential election. of course he could run anyway from jail, and i think he would beat biden from jail. why do i say that? well consider this, not

completely unanalytic, recent poll from the des moines, iowa register, with 35 days until the caucuses shows 73% of likely iowa gop caucus-goers believe trump beats biden despite legal issues. back in october it was only 75%. incidentally, mr. trump has as 32-point lead over governor desantis. he has a 35 point lead over nikki haley. by the way mr. biden has a few legal issues of his own now, doesn't he? just saying. i'm no lawyer but i don't think the supremes will touch jack smith's request before the presidential election. probably more important recent "wall street journal" poll, for the first time in that poll shows trump beating biden by about four percentage points and the former president's lead jumps to six points when robert f. kennedy, jr. is included. meanwhile the most important

issue in the, as the economy and trump has a 17 point lead over biden, 52-35%. who is better able to handle the economy? and on inflation, mr. trump has a 21-point lead, 51% to 30%. i will guess voters vastly favor trump over biden when it comes to overspending, overregulation, overtaxing and i bet voters prefer trump's tough trade policies over biden as well. by the way on that latter point, the key is reciprocity. the use should not stand idly by while foreign governments raise tariffs on u.s. products but on the other hand as mr. trump said anytime a mutual reduction of tariffs would be the best possible trade policy and i'm going to bet that most voters would agree with that, so long as they know all about it.

anyway, that is my riff. now, let's go to capitol hill. border policy talks continue. fox business's hilary vaughn is standing by with the latest. hilary, why can't they make a deal? seems like an easy thing to me? >> reporter: larry, congress has a lot to do this week part of the problem there is really no hard deadline. there is not a situation where there is impending government shut down where they're forced to come to the table to come up with an agreement. so while the holidays are a good deadline for congress to try to get things done there is really no consequences if they don't but they do have a lot on their to-do list before they leave for the holidays. three major issues they want to tackle. unclear if they wrap it up before they leave. ukraine and a border deal. volodymyr zelenskyy is coming here to capitol hill this week by invitation of the president hopefully he can sway skeptical lawmakers to give them more

money. the white house says today getting all that done will be a priority all this week. >> he will continue to make clear his case why additional funding for ukraine and israel are vital to our own national security interests at this time. he will keep urging the negotiations forward, urging compromise with a goal of getting these, all these national security issues fully funded as we need. they're all your defend. >> reporter: on the border border state governors are watching republicans and enoccurring them not to give up leverage or settle in these negotiations. >> republicans right now in congress are negotiating with the biden administration with policies that would provide extraordinary relief if not eliminate all of the illegal border crossings. they must hold fast and negotiate with the biden administration. >> reporter: abbott says there should be no deal until there is an agreement not to give anyone asylum if they cross illegally into the u.s. and not make

everyone eligible for asylum if they cross a safe country to get her first. that would stop the problem at the source. working in republicans favor is the president's comment last week where he is willing to make significant compromises with republicans to try to get something don't on the border but unclear how much the president is willing to compromise. larry? larry: thank you very much, hilary vaughn. we appreciate the update. now let's head down to eagle pass, texas, where fox news correspondent griff jenkins is standing by. griff, what you got? >> reporter: well, larry it has been ahn unbelievably busy day again with unprecedented numbers here in eagle pass, texas which has been an epicenter for this border crisis so long. they're getting hammered. take a look at video we shot on the drone a little earlier. there is a group where we're standing, they crossed the river behind me a group from 500, mostly from venezuela, colombia,

guatemala, honduras, el salvador. we met a man from angola. go 1000 miles to my west, lukeville, arizona, another ground zero. day after day the agents getting hammered. we'll show you live look. those migrants come from far away places from senegal, from bangladesh, egypt, china. we're in fact learning the ratio, larry of migrants to border patrol agents is 200 to one. if that is out numbered, i don't know what it is. that situation, why katie hobbs, the democrat governor of arizona made a visit to the breach wall and issued harsh criticism for the biden administration. take a listen here. >> arizona can't do this alone another should we have to. we're asking the federal government to reimburse us for the costs to arizonans. for far too long arizona has

brunt the lack of federal action on the border and i'm tired of it. now is not the time for partisan politics. it is time for action. >> reporter: if we look at what is happening in lukeville and eagle pass. you have to factor in the information we're getting, larry, 5000 migrants a day are being released by cbp into the united states. troubling number when you look at some of the other figures. 30 individuals since october first, just over two months ago, have hit the terrorism watch list. they of course are kept into custody but we don't know who is coming across. factor in the known got-awayss people not the groups giving themselves up, i'm learning from sources there are just shy of 70,000 got-aways since october first year began. put that in perspective that is little larger at the crowd size at the sold out army-navy game this past saturday at foxboro

stadium. we don't know who their, where they are going, around most importantly, larry, we don't know why they're here. we'll send it back to you. larry: yes, griff, i'm taking army. wait a second the game is over. griff jenkins, thank you ever so much we appreciate it. let's bring in steve mill, founder of america first legal president, former white house senior policy advisor. steve, good to go see you. >> good to see you, larry. larry: i have got a couple things for you today, appreciate your time, for getting on this border deal, unquote deal. i mean why should anybody waiting for asylum or other so-called entry arguments, why should they wade into the u.s. where you will never see them again? what is wrong with going back to remain in a favorable country? for example, mexico, okay? to me that should be a republican-senate requirement for anything that goes on, what do you think?

>> without a doubt. the core demand of the united states senate must be an end to all release of illegal aliens into this country to await some hypothetical future court date. this notion that the entire developing world across latin america, across africa, across asia, has some sort of right to enter our country criminally, in violation of federal law, and demand transport to the destination of their choice, is the end of american sovereignty. this is a line republicans must hold. if you enter this country illegally you will not be released. and for the democrats that are saying ukraine aid is the thing that the whole civilization depends on, the thing that all of democracy depends on, then you have to ask them if it is that important to you then you're really willing to say

that you're going to walk away from the thing that you say all of democracy hinges upon because it will reduce illegal immigration? that is how much you obsess over and want illegal immigration? shows you how sick the democrat party has become. larry: yeah, look, fine, if the democrats obsess about helping ukraine -- and that is to say no more illegal immigration. no more asylum. no more, you know, this word asylum has been so badly used it seems to me. people running away from communist, socialists, sometimes they are a lot of times they're not. >> a total con and larry i'm glad you mentioned that and i want to take 15 seconds to explain why this is a con. let's say you're an illegal alien coming from senegal and you transport yourself through one, two, three, four, seven

countries, on the way to the united states and demand asylum, every single country you pass through you could have requested asylum from. larry: right. >> the notion that you're being persecuted in this country that you come from but that you have to demand asylum in the world's richest country is an absolute violation of asylum law. the law of of asylum says you apply in the officers safe country you enter through whether it be mexico or some other country there is no forum shopping for country. the country that gives you the most health care, the free education, more housing, if you say i will kill you this race or this religion which is never the case with these migrants, pretending it would, up a ply into the first country you enter where no one is trying to kill you. larry: you think republicans, senate republicans so far they have held the line, do you think they will continue to hold the line on the asylum issue, on the

remain in mexico issue? by the way, steve miller, i would probably toss in, of course resuming the wall would be a very good thing to do as well, but also, there was never any substitute when title 42 ran out. >> yes. larry: there was no health substitute. and there is no shortages of health issues that should prevent people from coming across the border willy-nilly, without being checked out. so the question is here, i want to move on to some of the more difficult, anti-semitic issues but steve miller, will the gop hold tough in the senate in your judgment? >> well, first of all amen, yes, to everything you said and secondly i can only say that i hope and pray they will. do not show any weakness. do not show any give. do not show any bend. as we said, larry, make it very clear, if you want this ukraine money, if it is as important as

you say it is this is the price of admission end of story. larry: steve, i want to, we're going to have alan dershowitz on later in the show but i know, you're very keen on this issue of the awful spread of anti-semitism and i know that you're think tank, first legal has looked into this. wouldn't this be a good time to really start cracking down, let's go after the department of education. let's go after the funding and various forms of grants to these colleges which are permitting hate speech and bullying in the form of anti-semitism and probably elsewhere as well, wouldn't this be a good time to investigate all of that really, put this thing out into the open, not let it slide but go after it right now? >> absolutely. so there are two things we need to be doing right away. number one you need to abolish all of these dei departments,

right, this diversity equity and inclusion. that is the generator of this anti-semitism on college campuses. the idea that jews have too much, too much wealth, too much power, too much influence. taken away from them. they're the oppressor and conqueror. you have to get rid of those departments completely and no federal dollars if you don't. the second whole idea how we fund higher education. the whole idea they're doing important science, important technological advancements, if they have left that mission behind to pursue radical left-wing marxism and socialism, to crush meritocracy why is the federal government funding these elite ivy league schools with their multibillion-dollar endowments at all? if they're not doing the things there is public interest in doing then why give them any money? larry: why give them a tax-exempt position either, what do you think of that? >> yes.

they should not be able to operate tax-free hedge funds if they're going to use to it try to push cultural and social marxism on this country which ironically means higher taxes for everybody else. [inaudible]. will they train a generation of young people to demand you, every other american be taxed at a higher rate. larry: all right. steve miller, thank you, we appreciate it very much on both counts. much more to be revealed. >> thank you. larry: all right, folks coming up next, why does special council jack smith think he can run the supreme court? this is some breaking news, a couple hours ago, kind of unbelievable, but i'm not the lawyer, we'll talk about it with a good lawyer, gregg jarrett, fox news legal analyst. stay with "kudlow." jack smith may have made another very bad mistake here it seems to me but we'll be right back after this. ♪.

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gregg jarrett but first let's check in with fox news correspondent david spunt who run down this fast-breaking story. david spunt, i'm not sure, being an impoverished host, i'm not a lawyer, i'm not sure i understand all this. make you want walk it through us, for us? >> reporter: it is a big deal, larry, no question, it could spell what next year will look like for donald trump when he is campaigning for his old job. what happened special counsel jack smith may have had an emergency plea for the nine supreme court justices to rule donald trump is not immunity from prosecution. smith petitioned the court a few hours ago asking for a quick decision from the court. doesn't mean he will get it, that is what he wants though. the federal judge overseeing the case in washington, d.c., ruled that donald trump is not immune from prosecution, that he doesn't deserve a get out of jail free pass just because he was president. trump's attorneys say he is immune from prosecution in this case because january 6th and

shortly thereafter he was president and is protected by presidential immunity. they were expected to ask an appeals court to review the issue, however smith now has gone above the appeals court level and has asked the supreme court to get involved. smith's team writing quote, this case prevents a fundamental question at the heart of our democracy, whether a former president is absolutely immune from federal prosecution for crimes committed while in office or is constitutionally protected from federal prosecution when he has been impeached but not convicted before the criminal proceedings begin. it continues, yet trump has asserted that the constitution accords him absolute immunity from prosecution. the constitution's text structure, history, lend it no support to that novel claim. as of now his trial in washington, d.c., larry, is scheduled to begin march 4th, with jury selection that is one day before super tuesday.

jack smith and his team want to get 24 decision from the high court soon so that trial can start and finish before the november election. no comment from trump's attorneys when i reached out but this is very possible, larry, this all could be a little bit delayed given the fact the supreme court would hear oral arguments from march 4th to later. that is what trump's team wants. larry: david, one little question this issue of immunity and getting the supreme court to sign off or sign on it quickly for jack smith, does that include the mar-a-lago, classified documents business or is this just the january 6th part? >> this is just related to the january 6th case. so he was charged in washington. obviously attempts to try to overturn the results of the election. jack smith brought up the january 6th riot at the capitol in that case but did not charge him specifically for january 6th. mar-a-lago is a separate case. the documents that are down in florida. so this is just relating to the

attempts to overturn the election, the alleged attempts to overturn the election, larry. larry: great. david spunt, thank you ever so much. for more let's bring in gregg jarrett, fox news legal analyst, the author of, the constitution of the united states and other patriotic documents. thank you. we heard what jack smith is trying to do. good move or bad move do you think? >> well i agree with you. you're right about your legal analysis. you could have been the next clarence darrow. you missed your calling. larry: [laughter]. >> i agree that special counsel smith wants to basically butt in front of the line, skip the normal test to send to it the supreme court expedited ruling. the supremes don't like that. he wants to have the trial in march in it middle of primaries. why?

he fears any delay of typical appellate rule, would interfere with his plans to gain a trial and conviction before the election which frankly smacks of election interference. frankly most americans see it that way why trump's support continues to go up. you know the justices will likely see this for what it is, larry. it is pretty rare for them accept any case without a decision by the d.c. circuit court. so i tend to doubt they're going to take a direct appeal but there is more to it than that. there is no precedent for this case. all the more reason why the supreme court is going to want to hear what the lower court has to say about a case that is completely untested. larry: and for that reason you know, i was talking to a former prosecutor andy mccarthy, fox contributor, "national review" editor, who had the same point of view. andrew said this is a political

move, not a legal move. that the motive behind this is purely politics. it is not legal. what you just said, if you really wanted to do this in a legal basis, then you have to step up with different levels and then let the supreme court take over but that is not what mr. smith wants. why does he want it? because he wants to get this done immediately. why should the supremes wade into what amounts to election year politicking? why, gregg jarrett, i don't get that? why should they get involved in that? >> and they hate to get involved in politically-charged cases that relate directly to an election. you know, they're still regret ful jumping into the 2000 election contest. larry: yep. >> trump's argument here is reasonable. it's sound. he was acting consistent with his sworn duties as president to

uphold and enforce all laws. larry, that includes laws that require free and fair elections without fraud or faulty vote counting. and if that is how he is acting he enjoys absolute immunity. that's a credible argument. if he believed the election outcome was illegitimate and that is why he filed the kind of legal challenges that he did file, which the law by the way allows, then he has a valid argument for governmental immunity. smith is going to claim that well, he took actions outside of the scope of his duties and he is not protected. that's the civil standard. this is a criminal case and it's quite unique. larry: yep. and in the best of circumstances, for a guy like jack smith, whatever, it will take a long time on appeal. he want the this thing over, button it down, they will open it up march 4th, right

before super tuesday, will be done by easter or by memorial day? it is not going to happen that way. the whole thing's a put-up job. it is all about politics. in my opinion, which again is not a legal opinion, they want to throw up interest in jail trump in jail for 750 years or more. iowa polls suggest trump will win. >> that is a clarence darrow argument, well-done. larry: just my editorial opinion. no one else has to be, has to take charge of that. anyway, gregg jarrett, great stuff, we appreciate it. folks coming up, alan dershowitz, the great alan dershowitz, he will tell us why diversity, equity and inclusion, dei is ruining harvard and other colleges and why current president claudine gay should be fired. plus hold on at the your seat, folks. hillary clinton to the rescue. she didn't win in 2016 but

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♪. larry: all right, we turn back to the vexing and very difficult issue of the spread of anti-semitism and how these elite universities and others need to have their darn ears pinned back. now the great alan dershowitz will be here in one second, he writes in the daily mail, i quote, fire harvard's claudine gay from my old college now and dismantle, utterly at this discredit the orwellian group think that put her there in the first place. he joins us now, alan dershowitz, professor emeritus

harvard law school, author of, the war against jews, haw to stop hamas barbarism. dei that is helping bring down these great universities and helping spawn the anti-semitism. >> it is the main cause of anti-semitism today. it divides student along racial and religious lines and creates a zero-sum game if you're in favor of one group you're zero in another group. it is a real problem. it is anti-inintellectual, it is dishonest in many ways. it uses the word diversity, but only means racial diversity. less than 3% of the faculty at harvard identify as conservative. indeed under equity if you dare to quote martin luther king's dream of a world where children are judged not by the color of their skin but by content of their character you commit ad microaggression. inclusion, larry summers made it

clear that inclusion has excluded jews over the years. so it's a fraudulent concept, a dangerous concept but 700 of my colleagues at harvard professors have come out pandering to, to president gay and calling for her to remain on. they don't want people like you and me who are now outsiders to have any influence on harvard but they refuse to answer the legitimate points made by people like bill ackerman, they just dismiss him out of hand because he a rich alumni. schools are, colleges, universities are not only the current faculty, not only the current students but they are alumni and they are the future students, they are great institutions and dei is destroying these institutions and president gay is a product of dei. she championed it. that is how she became president.

she is the symbol of dei and the symbol has failed and she must also recognize her own failure and her role in that failure. larry: you mentioned to me on the radio this weekend a key point, with dei, in fashion, in vogue, a lot of these i will call them subheading faculty departments shouldn't really be their own faculty departments have sprung up, like middle-eastern studies or even more subheadings underneath middle-eastern studies and that is part of the problem and you have a whole bunch of tenured professors teaching in those subheading departments that shouldn't existed in the first place? >> that's a bigger problem than actually did. ei. these departments have tenured professors that can be fired. the departments however can be abolished. we should immediately abolish black studies, gay studies, south asian studies, jewish studies. you go to university to study to

learn how to think, not to be part of a club. not to become part of a cheering section and these departments, some are quite good academically but many of them, for example, critical race theory, there is no such thing. if you're critical of race you're not allowed in. it is uncritical race theory and it is uncritical studying. it is rooting sections for these identity politics groups and it's destroying education. look, harvard ranked last, last on free speech. larry: right. >> suddenly they discovered free speech on october 7th and these other presidents discovered free speech. they discovered it when it was used against jews. they didn't know about free speech when it was claimed by people who had been accused of microaggressions. free speech was patriarchal thing of the past but now suddenly they're all hanging on to free speech in order to justify their failure to do anything and say anything about people on campus who are calling

for the death of jews. larry: professor dershowitz, last one, of course the president of penn is gone. do you think the head of harvard university, claudine gay, will she survive or is she going to be gone too? >> i think she will survive because she has so many people pandering to her, members of the faculty, members of the alumni, members of the black alumni association. she has put people on her behalf put together this incredible effort to try to keep her on but she will not succeed. i don't think her presidency will be successful. i hope she resigns. i think that would be the best thing to happen to harvard. i thought she will and i suspect one of the reasons a lot of professors signed on to the letter because they know she is going to stay on and they don't want to be in her bad graces. larry: got it. the great alan dershowitz, professor dershowitz, thank you as always. love having you on the show.

folks, we're going to switch gears and talk good heavens of 2024. why democrat, this is a wonderful story. democrats now think hillary clinton can help out joe biden, raising money, maybe out there own the campaign trail, giving important speeches. joining us to talk about the subject, wor radio host mark simone and joe concha, media, politics columnist for the messenger and a fox news contributor. mark, you're out there encouraging hilary to run -- help joe biden s that fair or is that unfair? >> she is like arthritis, you can never get rid of it, it always comes back a little. larry: [laughter]. >> you got -- larry: i give,. >> didn't see that coming. larry: i didn't either. >> you got gavin newsom circling him like a vulture. now you got this old crow. if you're so unpopular you knee the glow of hillary clinton to

help you you should probably be in another business. if you want great speeches call bill clinton, not hillary clinton. larry: i will say one little tiny thing. i disagree with hillary clinton pretty much everything in the world but unlike joe biden and unlike most, at least national democrats if not all, she has spoken out against anti-semitism. >> she has? not strong enough. larry: so has chuck schumer. i disagree with chuck schumer's politics for the most part but those two people have, at least spoken out against anti-semitism instead of falling in line with some of this nonsense we saw with the college presidents and so forth. i will give that one little bit. >> that is good of you to do that, that is like speaking out against cancer. i'm against cancer too. of course you have to speak out against anti-semitism. more democrats don't do that. larry: this is crazy, yo joe.

i don't understand that. i want to be very critical, joe biden right after october 7th, came out, both came out establishing inside of the white house an interagency task force working group, i know all about those interagency things, on islamophobia. >> right. larry: not anti-semitism. not anti-semitism which really is the big problem today. joe biden hadn't done that. >> because he wants to have it both ways. wants to be staunchly pro israel which he has been and doesn't want to lose voters on the lefter. sparse drafting hillary clinton, when i think victory, vince lombardi, michael jordan, tom brady, especially hillary clinton. she oozes victory. ask barack obama in 2008, ask donald trump in 2016. two races people thought she could not possibly lose, she lost. what advice could she give joe biden?

don't go to wisconsin, that could be one. find another nickname for trump supporters. does say. larry: don't erase ire emails. >> 33,000. if anyone can provide the roadmap to the canyon of heroes, is the election denier, hillary clinton who has been in a public tour for the last seven years. >> if get the women east vote, means michelle obama is. larry: i haven't heard about michelle obama. >> exactly. she is staying out of this. larry: joe biden has, i can't verify this hasn't said so publicly, public diplomatic sources joe biden and antony blinken have given bibi netanyahu until the end of the year to do whatever they will do to hamas. i think that is insane. that is -- end of the year to annihilate hamas. they will need a few more weeks than just the end of the year.

some are critical -- larry: i know he stood up in the u.n., good i will give credit where credit is due but i won't give credit on trying to poach what the idf does best. >> like giving a timeline, you have to get bin laden before the end of the year. you have to take out al qaeda before the end of the year. this is a long, long slog in process, it will take many years. larry: mark simone 35 days to the iowa caucus. donald trump is absolutely crushing. 51 trump, 19 desantis, 16% haley, i can't read far enough for ramaswamy. >> desantis entire campaign is a dumpster fire. a absolute embarassment. he has to bow out before florida. trump has 40 points over him in florida. he will lose there. it is time to get out. larry: all she wrote. arthritis? >> like arthritis, it always comes back.

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so it's another reading. this from "the wall street journal" roll. what do you make of it, art? >> well i make it that "bidenomics" is not working and trump did work well. i mean when he left, really when the pandemic hit things were in awfully good shape in the u.s. economy. when you look at biden's policies, number one the government spending, whole stimulus package he did, larry, convinced people not to work, shop with their friend and that really started inflation to go up. i don't know how much it was up since biden took office is huge. government spending lead into inflation, both of those really serious major issues. taxes with the inflation. you have this illusory capital-gains tax in there. depreciation of major plant and equipment expenses, all soon we will have the expiration of the trump tax cuts, at least some of them. then we have the regulations. he got rid of all the energy production that we had there. biden took all of those things

and regulated against energy and now we have a real energy problem. i mean the first thing trump did was make energy much more free, much more pro-growth energy policy and that's not what biden, it is just the reverse and lastly trade policies. there has been no improvement in trade policies with this. so the five areas, taxes, spending, inflation, money, regulations and trade, all of those under biden are going the wrong direction and literally all of those under trump went the right direction. larry: the biggest crowd pleaser president trump gets and i think this is pretty uniform, no matter what when he goes drill, baby, drill. >> drill, drill, i love it. larry: that is interesting to me because i think, i think biden has had a lot of economic sinwars with spending you know, is a very bad one but i think from the standpoint deteriorate righting economic security at

home, national security abroad, nothing biden has done is quite as bad as the war against fossil fuels and you know what, art? that war against fossil fuels also has raised the inflation rate, as well. >> it is terrible. a lot it has. it is tangible, larry, something you can see, you can see what the consequences are exactly. that is emblematic of the problem with biden and the solution that trump would bring if he became president again. it is just very clear and very precise. everyone can understand it f we drill more we get more of our own energy, energy prices will fall and that will affect inflation and the will affect the u.s. international position which we need to shore up very quickly. we have some real problems own the global scale. larry: last one, art, i want to stay on this, if gasoline prices at home drop below $3. at the end of 2020, they were about two dollars. when biden took office they were 2.35 or something. what if they drop, they were as

high as five nationwide, if they drop below three does that help biden? >> that sure would help biden, would help anyone felt better about the con if they bell below three. that is not a long-term solution. we're having a global slow down, larry, and oil prices are dropping fairly sharply. that is bringing the price down. we can make it a lot, lot better drilling and producing our own oil here and becoming energy dependent. that is what is really needed. larry: very good point. better than austerity, art laffer, i will plagarize it as i have for many years. thank you, arthur. my last word.

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