stuart: they're not trying to convince anyone of the record. he's not running on his record and convince that americans in second term are going to be better and x, y and z and the other guy is worse is his argument. >> we'll be hurting the american people plus we've proven that shutting down the government won't save us money whatsoever and what are we trying to prove here? >> keeps the focus in 2024 on the financial and fiscal

calamity in this country today. >> if you're upset about a $34 trillion national debt that is headed to $50 trillion under the biden budget, you've got to get rid of joe biden. >> do you really trust president biden to carry out anything and protect our troops? that's a real problem and it's a terrifying situation. stuart: all right, are you ready for the week. is that the name of the song? are you ready by creed. it's 11:00 eastern time and it's monday, january 8. as my mom would have said all day, thank you very much. filling in my sentences this morning. it's monday, january 8. lauren: elvis' birthday. stuart: it is, isn't it? he was born in 1935? lauren: correct. stuart: it's my generation. check the markets, please. still have a very healthy gain on the nasdaq and up 167 and

well over 1%. get to 10 year treasury yield in a second but it's going down and the nasdaq stock market is going up. big tech, please. all of big tech on the upside today, amazon, apple, alphabet, meta, microsoft going higher. the 10-year treasury down to 3.98%. drop below that 4% level and the nasdaq loves it. latest read on, this is new to me, consumer expectations. lauren: okay. stuart: what are they expecting? lauren: one year median expectation dropped to 3% and coming down a bit. but in five years from now, in 2029, the expectation drops to 2.5% but the fed's target is 2.5% and in five years from now, it's going to be elevated. are we going to get elevated? lauren: they care the average probability of missing and debt payments for the next three months is now at 12%.

that's a big deal. sign of weaker consumer. stuart: we should care about this. lauren: it was a survey and given to me to tell you and our viewers. that's my my honest answer. stuart: so hundr honest. great to have you back. we can roll the animation. my take is coming up. roll it. if you're the richest person in the world, can you do anything you like? elon musk is the richest, and he sure acts like he can do anything he likes. wall street journal opened pandora's box and some spacex leader worried about musk's drug use. that's the story. long and detailed report and attended private parties and lsd, cocaine and ketamine were used. those who attended cited non-disclosure agreements and smoked marijuana in joe rogan's interview and musk has a prescription for ketamine, he says. was he under the influence when

sending out the infamous tweet to buy out twitter and under the inprudence for the speech to spacex employees. musk is in charge of six corporation withs assets measured in the trillions and spacex has government contracts where safety is a big concern. illegal drug use would put those contracts at risk. where is the board of directors? they have a fiduciary responsibility to shareholders and the journal said there's been anxious discussions. yes, he's the greatest innovator of the age and that gives him clout. but if any business falters, his extraordinary behavior comes under closer scrutiny and maybe the richest person in the world can do anything he likes while the going is good. that would change fast if drug use proves distractive. third hour of varney starts now.

stuart: steve forbes with us this morning. steve, should musk's drug use worry business leaders? >> not to make light of it but abraham lincoln said find the brand of whiskey and give to me other generals and given some of the leadership today, that should do it. the great book, details this man has a multilayer personality and he's bipolar and has other afflictions and he does use drugs, and he's a manic in terms of work. he's a great creator and steel used for rocket ships and if you can't do it. the questions he asks of people and to mar than he does and knows more than they do in terms of innovations. he doesn't burn himself out and i think that he's well aware that he goes on the edge and the article focuses on really big things that happen in 2018 and isaacson's book makes clear one

of the worst years in elon musk's existence and 2008 was another one and he nearly lost everything he had and since then, he may go over the line once in a while and he's well aware he's not going to stop, but well aware that everyone is gunning for him now. stuart: that's true, they're gunning for him and maybe he matured and settling down a bit and these youngsters are 52. >> i agree. stuart: the national debt hid $34 trillion. jp morgan calls this a boiling frog situation for the economy. all right, steve, let's simplify this. we've been told frequently we're headed towards a debt bomb that'll explode at some point in the future. is it going to explode at any time in the near future? >> it'll explode if we get a bad election result next year and continue the policies we have now and taxes and more regulation and gutting defense and making the world more unsafe. that in the crisis will come and

the level of debt and bondholders will say we have doubts about the future growth of this economy and it's ability to innovate and we're not going to buy the bonds unless there's a higher price and bond individual leeanneties will do this and not the -- vigilantes and not the exact number. >> we haven't heard for some time, have we? >> they're starting to reappear. stuart: 34 trillion is 34 trillion and spending $659 billion a year on interest alone. >> and it's going to get worse and some of the solutions suggested for the crisis of social security and healthcare are root canal without the anesthetic and so there's good ways to deal with it. bad ways to deal and we'll have a discussion and not throwing gram over a cliff. stuart: turning to the markets and dow up 171 and jason accounts not here and you're not

worried about the tech selloff. are you? >> what are they down an aggregate and i'll tell you through dealing with individual investors for three decades and they done want to pay taxes so they postpone taking some of the profits till the new year and they remember back in early 2022 how they wished in hindsight they would have scaled back a little bit. we know what happened in 2022 and make no mistake about it and this is not an abandonment it's a right size and just because the rest of the market is playing catch and you happen doesn't mean the mag seven has to play catch down. this group, their huge and going from concept to product and having tangible results and earnings impacking this calendar

year and i'd be very careful fading those stocks and right sizing them, yes. selling them, no. stuart: if you did sell some of the st stocks and made significt money on it and saw them right now, you wouldn't pay your capital gains tax till april of 2025. >> that's the exact mentality of most individual investors. that's why they did none of that at the end of last year. stuart: so if small caps, i hate using that expression, i don't really understand it, if small caps are the place to be, how do you invest in small cap stocks? >> so, to take a step back, want to go smaller or go home in spite of the 20% plus rally from october or whenever it was up till recently, the group still trades at a 30% discount in multiple to that of large cap and still underperform large cap by 15% last year. so the reason you want to get, and i'll tell you why and how you get long and the reason you want to get long small cap and

number one they're most tethered to the physical economy and they're domestic companies and no hard landing equals better profitability. number two, above all small companies buy in large are the biggest borrowers of short term money and difficult time locking in long term capital and most banks don't commit to companies and lower fed funds rates means that a lower cost of capital for them and better profitability and how did you buy it, that's your question. you want to buy the russell 2000 in some way shape or farm and it's aing frommented marring. be careful buying -- fragmented and be careful. stuart: 298 on the 10-year treasury and thank you very much, sir. see you again real soon. lauren's looking at american airlines. it's up 5%. lauren: yep. stuart: what's the story? lauren: conveniently they don't have any 737 max 9 jets. they have the max 8. separately they got an upgrade at morgan stanley to overweight

and said the year looks good and the black swan event hitting covid year after year and past four years and failing with stocks up 5.5. stuart: palantir. lauren: last weir jeffries said ai hike around the big data company was done and today stocks up 4.7% and according to another customer selected at ai platform for option care health, which offers home inflation services. stuart: toll brothers, i live in one of their houses. lauren: raised on several home builders including toll thinking it's going to 106. separately research upgrades them to buy. they say mortgage rates are coming down and inventory is tight and looks good for home builders. stuart: thank you, your honor, thank you. it's coming at us and pro palestinian protesters blocked traffic on the manhattan and williamsburg bridges and all in the neighborhood of new york city. dozens of arrests made at each location and nypd had to use a

saw to separate people chained together on the manhattan bridge and officers cutting through pvc pipes and protesters used to link themselves together. more details as they become available. coming up. nearly half of all voters expect violent reaction to the results of the 2024 election and full report on that for you. california state health insurance reportedly covering sex change procedures for illegal migrants and we'll tell you all about it. a new survey finds 36% of people have a greet deal of confidence in the higher education system and biggest drop of democrats among att attendants and steve hilton on that next. ♪

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penalizing three loan servicerrers and my garmin car dcardonia and the department of education will continue to engage in aggressive oversight of student loan servicers and put the interest of borrowers first and unacceptable errors are uncovered and servicers expected to be held unaccountable and holding them harmless. the education department cut $2 million in payments to server aid vantage and the loan industry said thissed a menstruation repeatedly changed its student loan repayment plans. >> that created a lot of confusion and somewhat a lack of engage.getting told by the government you're going to have to start on this date and then 15, 20, 30 days before that, they say never mind.

jot federal government paused and then the supreme court struck it down and the act of forgiveness and the education department says about 40% of the federal student loan borrowers missed their payment when is they resumed in october. the administration initiated an onramp period for the first year and that allows borrowers to skip payments without major penalties. stuart. stuart: rich, thank you very much. it's the gallop poll and only 36% have a great deal or quite a lot of confidence in higher education. back in 2015, 57% thought like that. among independents, shares dropped by 16 pontos and among democrats, it's dropped by nine points. steve hilton with us this morning. steve, what are the universities doing wrong? >> well, it's just like any other business story that you cover, stuart. here's the situation where you have a service where the cost has gone up and the quality has

gone down and people don't like it. why has that equation gone in the wrong direction and number one reason we say it all the time is that these universities have focused less on their mission, which is education and more on the lit cal agenda of indoctrination and you can see that in the most revealing data in this whole kind of story about what's happened with universities, which is the massive bloat in the administrators, not people who teach students who educate according to the mission of the university, just administrators. across the university system in america right now, on average, universities have three times as many administrators as they have teachers. in johns hopkins, i looked up a report from last year and eight times as many administrators as teachers. at mit nine times as many. here in california, you have universities where there are there are students. in stanford just down the road from where i'm sitting today, thrombothere's more administratn

undergraduates and they're not teaching, they're pushing that ideological nonsense and people have had enough of it. stuart: it'll take a long time to get rid of it. it'll change the cowelture and you can do it. we're at years of this issue aren't we? >> exactly and here's the optimistic answer. classic american answer, which is build something better. that's why everyone needs to pay attention to a new university that's been set up by friends of mine actually. neil ferguson who you know joe lonsdale, barry white in texas and they're build ago world class university free of all this garbage and focuses on the core mission, which is educating people and being a forum for the free and open discussion of ideas. that's the answer. don't try and reform these totally broken institutions and build something better. stuart: sign me up, steve. there's this too. defense secretary lloyd austin in the hospital and he didn't tell the administration for days

about this and listen to what john keysto kirby said about the defense secretary. listen. >> secretary austin staying in the job and leadership position and going for the demonstration. stuart: what a mess, steve. could it be it's slightly differently on this and it's covered up on purpose and it's hospitalization and we didn't want our enemy to know the defense secretary was in the hospital and is it legit to cover up the hospitalization? >> no, it's in the legitimate but actually the story here is it's deeper than just the failure of transparency in the one case and it's egregious and you've seen that condemned or right across the political spectrum and what it really shows is how pervasive the deep state is in our federal government because actually the real truth here that's revealed is they don't care and doesn't

really matter whether the guy that's nominally charged in the hospital and whether or not it's porn. the bureaucrats are on the show and this story reveals and it's deeply shocking and one that we must dig into and it's so unimportant that the guy that's supposed to be running a defense department is in the densive care unit and they don't bother to tell the president or his deputy where he's inkansas cityd and who's really running the defense department. stuart: deep state, there they go. thank you, steve, steve hilton, everybody. >> thanks, stu. stuart: california covering sex changes for illegal immigrants. ashley, good morning. my only comment is, really? ashley: yeah, hey, it's california. back to you, stu. good morning. the golden state is devoting more taxpayer dollars to fund sex payers and regardless of

citizenship status and nearly 700,000 illegal immigrants between the ages of 26 and 49 qualify for the federal healthcare service, which will cost by the way california taxpayers an estimated $3.1 billion. for those living in california illegally within that age range, it translates to approximately $4,058 per year in medical coverage subsidies funded by the state's general fund. welcome to america, you're here illegally and take all of this. governor gavin newsom says everyone deserves access to quality, affordable coverage and regardless of income or immigration status. if you're illegal, don't worry about it. lineup, we've got lots of goodies for you. stuart: the president of the united states. it's offsetting, isn't it? ash, coming back to you a bit later. rapid increase in space junk

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stuart: on the markets, dow down 172 points and nasdaq up 60. big tech up higher across the board and all winners and amazon, alphabet, alphabet and meta up on the upside. it's back below 4% and you're at 397 now and nasdaq stocks really like that. check out price of oil and that's why a gallon of regular gas keeps oncoming down in price and the national average for regular is now $3.07. a new poll showing how many people believe there'll be violence following the results of the 2024 election. how many people are really

worried, ashley? ashley: remarkly high number. 49% expect violence over presidential election losses and basically half and according to new cbs ugov poll and 39% of respondents don't consider president bide ton be the legitimate winner of the 2020 election and they believe u.s. democracy is under threat. as for the events of january 6, 2020, 78% disprove or disapprove to the actions but the percentage of republicans that strongly criticize those actions and now stands at 32% and that's the number that's dwindled narily 20% since january of 2021. stu. stuart: thanks, ash. things look bleak for biden few four factors could topple trump in '24. joe concha is joining me now after writing that. can you spell out four factors,

go. >> i can do that . first, where the president is and the uphill bat and will immigration, 32% approve of foreign policy, 35% approve. at this point, he's polling lower than any incumbent in history and still, this looks like a close raise looking at -- close race and policy average and near trump and that's the factor and answer your question. gdp growth is 4.9% last quarter and that's the big number and unemployment rate is below 4% and interest rates likely lower than this year and it's recording and the dow is up over 37,000 at this point and near all time high and if the economy continues to improve, it somewhat takes away one of the best arguments and the gop nominee and they're better for steering the country as far as the economy than biden is. stuart: okay, that was one factor. what are two, three and four? >> two, three and four and rail them off quickly.

what was supposed to be a red wave and it was just a red rip and will roe v wade struck down by the supreme court and it could repeat in 2024 if republicans don't get their act together in terms of a consist message as far as where their platform is. number three, donald trump gets convicted and some on the right more importantly in the center will not vote for a convicted felon. whether you believe these trials are fair or not, that's a simple fact and trump doesn't have much margin of error in the states that decide elections most arizona, georgia, nevada, michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania. number four, the uneasy truce in gaza and biden's numbers are among young voters and muslim voters and states like michigan and the israel with hamas and the bombing stops and we see the headlines on our front pages and on our television screens perhaps tesla and metaing down

on it. stuart: look at team usa singing national anthem together and happily so after winning the gold at world junior hockey championship. they're belting it out. that's a star conflict for the women's soccer team that knelt for the anthem. >> stu, they didn't just sing through the anthem and this was an open and passional display for the love of country and can't help but get chills by watching it and as you said, you look at some people getting endorsements in the country like megan rapinoe from the soccer team or colin kaepernick and they're celebrated for kneeling during the anthem and bashing this country as a horrible place and all while earning millions upon mil millions and you know,, secret, my brother worked for the new jersey devils and i got to heat these guys on several occasions and they're as rough and tumble on the ice as you can imagine. boy, off the ice, they're all good people. they have an appreciation for

the fact they're paid to do something they love. bottom line is if you hate this country so much that you can't stand during the national anthem, then you don't deserve to be on the national team, period, period, stu. stuart: i agree with you, 100%, gio. glad you're on the show. joe concha, good stuff. >> happy monday. stuart: george washington and jfk have been sent on a rocket to deep space. that's quite a statement. ashley, would you tell us what this is all about? ashley: we bring you everything on varney, don't we? it's their final frontier, stu. a texas-based company called celestus sent the remains of 333 people from all walks of life including george washington and star trek creator to the moon and beyond and the remains of 62 people contained in individual capsules are said to be dispost sited to -- set to be deposited on the moon in the lunar lander creating a permanent memorial on

the moon and remaining 268 capsules will be transported to 188 million miles into deep space where they'll orbit the sun forever. the celestial payload is filled with luminaries including hair samples from former presidents, washington, john f kennedy, dwight d. eisenhower and also contains the partial remains of later star trek cast mem member. they're all going to upward mobility there floating around. this company by the way, i guess if you want to have your remains with some of the loved ones up there, it's about $13,000 to have them orbit perpetually. stuart: not quite up my street, ash. not quite there. stuart: thanks for that report, all right. of course, jodie foster said gen

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stuart: the dow is down 95 point-blank layupses but the nasdaq is up 174. got that mix market today. take a look at nike this morning. tiger woods just confirmed he has ended his $500 million deal with the company. the golf icon worked with nike for 27 years and no impact on the stock at all. the spotlight is on boeing and it's 737 max jets after a part of alaska airlines plane blew off midair.

kelly at chicago's international airport and what are passengers saying about this, kelly? reporter: yeah, i caught up with him this weekend u stuart. some of them flying back to o'hare where united has a hub and going to be the largest carrier of that kind of aircraft and these people tell me that they've had a headache from the rescheduling that occurred this weekend. one person recalls what it was like to be on a max plane when it had to de-board. take a listen. >> everybody was boarded and we were about to leave the terminal and the captain made the announcement saying everybody had to de-board the plane because all the max 737 had to be grounded and there was everyone having to go to united service counter and everyone had to reschedule and maximizing a huge part of the plane because they're brand new.

i want the national transportation safety board handling a chair sunday and the pressurization warning light gone off on three recent flights and for that reason, the aircraft was not being flown on longer flights over water. she goes onto say alaska airlines was tasked with figuring out what the issue was, but the work was not completed prior to friday's flight and fortunately no one was seriously injured and that was thanks to the fact that was next to the plane you blew off and also the plane was also about 16,000 feet. we deeply regret the impact it had on passengers and their safety and the 737 airplanes with the same considerations as the affected airplane with the max being grounded about five

years ago after two flights killed over 300 people combined between those two crashes and boeing ended up losing about $20 billion after those two incidents and at this point, more recently they've also been experiencing quality issues but the max remains their most popular model, stuart. stuart: got t thank you, kelly. spacex had third launch of the year. was this more star link satellites, ash? ashley: yeah, third launch of january 8 and the falcon 9 rocket carrying 23 more of spacex's star link satellites marks the second launch for spacex from the space coast and third for the company from the year having flown once from california and incredibly the first stage booster on this launch was making its 16th flight flown on two crude and carbo missions to the space

station among others and spacex managed again to recover that booster from this latest launch. by the way it's going to be a busy year nor spacex and company officials say 2024 could see as many as 12 launches per month or 144 for the year. it's getting crowded up there in space. stuart: sure is. ashley, the un space czar is warning about space junk. tell us about that one, ash. ashley: yeah, the space czar says that rapid increase in rocket launches and satellites is actually creating a dangerous junk yard high above the earth and it's calling for title regulations. nasa estimates roughly 9,000 tons of debris are or bitting the earth at speeds up to 15,000 miles per hour and old rocky bowed i dids and defunction satellites anding fromments from engines and the tine nest -- fragments and the tiniest piece of debris pose as threat and the fleck of paint

chipped a window on the space station and gives you an idea and un wants countries to agree to voluntary guidelines and satellites are critical to infrastructure and good luck to that and not seeing russia or china signing up any time soon. stu. stuart: i'm a skeptic on that one too. it's that time when i show you the dow 30. yeah, there's quite a bit of buying onto that. i'd say it's almost evenly split. half and half, half up, half down at the moment, the dow is down 71 points. boeing, the biggest loser and it's down $16 per share. a 26-year-old tiktok creator gained a lot of attention for giving up his 9-5 job to pursue the american dream. watch this. >> so instead of me working towards retiring when i'm 60, i've set a goal of reaching a net worth of $10 million by age 35, which is only about nine years away. stuart: former tiktok guy. ashley, he's still a tiktok guy.

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stuart: actress jodie foster said gen z people are annoying to work with. ashley, what else did she say? ashley: she had plenty to say. gen z is the generation directly proceeding millennials or those born after 196 through 2010. here's how foster describe that had generation during an interview with the guardian newspaper saying "they're really annoying, especially in the workplace. they're like nah, i'm not feeling it today. i'm going to come in at 10:30 a.m. or like in e-mails i'll tell them it's all grammatically incorrect and did you not check your spelling? they're like why would i do that, isn't that limiting"? the veteran actress said she's not above gen z but it's her many eight hours to reach out to young actresses coming up in the industry and nevertheless still annoying. stuart: it's so limiting, isn't it, spelling and grammar.

ashley: i know. stuart: okay, move on. move on before getting in trouble. my next guest quit 9-5 job to pursue the american dream. the 25-year-old tiktok creator joining me now. case, you had a 9-5 job and curving and your plan is to build a home in less than 60 days and do it all on social immediate jaire and is that what you're doing? >> jew yeah, some of the detaile not the most accurate. to give you the back story, i own a roofing company now, and i do pretty good in that and that's how i generate income, but i've used that income in 2023 to build my first two homes, which were pretty risky real estate investments where i built homes as an owner/builder from the ground up to keep a single family rental properties and built my first one without a mentor and documented the whole

thing on social media and gave me traction and my second house i built, i built from start to finish in 60 days and that's what gained me some popularity. that's my story and i think -- stuart: you put that, you built this house from scratch in 60 days and you did it on social media and showed everybody, you showed them what you were doing and you acquired follows and got 189 followers -- 189,000. >> yeah, i've got a little over 300,000 between youtube, tiktok and instagram. stuart: you make money out of the 300,000 followers? >> snout too much to brag about. definitely make a lot more with my roofing business, my general contracting business going door to door selling roof replacements and tearing off roofs and install new roofs for homeowners. stuart: your goal, i understand, is to make 10 million by the age of 35. how much have you got so far?

>> i guess i'm about 5 bernards healthcares of the way there -- 5% of the way there maybe. but with the opportunity that america presents every citizen of america, you know, i believe it's certainly achievable and by the age of 35, that's my goal, $10 million and i feel like that's the number that will give me generational wealth and be able to provide for my kids and their kids and all my family to come there after me. stuart: that's terrific. we're rigorous supporters of you and we support this, we do. why did you quit 9-5? >> i had a 9-5 and only worked four days a week and putting in 65-70 hours a week and i was working the hardest of about 35 people and getting paid the least amount and i got fed up with that after about six months because i knew i had these kind of aspirations to achieve a net worth of $10 million by 5, and i knew -- 35 and i knew that 9-5

was not going to help me reach my goals. stuart: well, are you critical of your generation? any they've got no work ethic? >> i mean, i don't really concern myself with the opinions of others and what they co. i stay focused on myself and achieving my goals and my main responsibility is what's best for my wife and baby back home and my family and kids to come. i'm not too wared about others all though that's probably a little accurate, yeah. stuart: got you. hope you don't mind if i ask you a political question. a young entrepreneurial person like yourself with a hard work ethic. i figure you're a republican, are you? >> yeah, that's correct. stuart: okay. all good stuff and we wish you the very best of luck going through life and you're doing well so far. we like to bring success on the program and examples of success and dynamic young people and

you're one of them. appreciate it. case, you're all right. >> happy to do that. maga 2024, can't wait to be back. stuart: see you soon, good luck, case. thank as lot. we better check the markets because the dow is down 70 and look at nasdaq go and up 177 points. how about the monday trivia question for you and this is a really good one. very hard to say what's right. what time are most americans eating dinner. very precise times for you and 5:53, 6:19, 6:32 or 6:54? i'm none of those categories. i'm early bird special king. full answer when we come back. you always got your mind on the green. not you.

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stuart: are you ready for this, we asked what time are most americans eating dinner, 553, 619, 632, 654. actually it occurs to me that you live in florida, you be an earlybird special kind of guy. >> i would but i.e. closer to six tween six and 630 is number two or number three, i'll go with number two.

i've always told our audience 345, 5:00 o'clock dinner type of guy because i get up early. after what time in the present tense, what time are most americans eating dinner, i would say 553, i think things are getting earlier. 619 for heaven sakes. most households i.e. between 507 and 819 i can't believe you eat as leaders that. the peak time is 619 that is according to data from the bureau of labor statistics, you are normal and i'm not. >> i did not want to say it the proof is in the pudding. we will get you to new york and have dinner whenever. thank you, see you later. "coast to coast" start right now. >> iowa one week away from the big boat, the markets away from the big slide.