ashley: i have no clue. people love to work in the us. i will go with the lowest number, 8, number one. a when you are totally wrong. i know you are totally wrong. lou and i have gone through january, new year's day, martin luther king, presidents' day, july 4th, we got up to 12 so i am going to say 14. >> i will go with 11. stuart: 11, got it right. here they are. next year we will have 12 federal holidays because we have an inauguration. juneteenth, independence, labor day, columbus day, thanksgiving, christmas. 11. good question, that made us think. we did it right.

thanks for setting around the whole time. coast-to-coast starts now. neil: we always said more americans are finding, do you need proof, fewer people are filing for jobless claims. 187,000, the lowest figure since september of 2,022. it is good news, not quite. it confuses investors. they like the turnaround but don't like the fed holding out on rate cuts because of that turnaround. looking forward to them, they might not be getting them. teddy wiseberg on the cash conundrum despite his youthful looks. good to see you. it is a mixed bag from markets. they start printing bad news because the fed pushes off those rate cuts. what do you think?

>> wishful thinking is never a good strategy. we had a strong market the last couple months of 2023 a lot of it driven by the prospect of four rate cuts, six rate cuts, starting in march. a lot of conjecture. a lot of pundits making predictions but the reality is i don't know and you don't know but most of us do not know. the fed will do what the fed will do and we are in an environment where good news is bad news and bad news is good news as far as the prospect of being proactive in terms of interest rate cuts. the market hangs out if not bad but negative economic news which would reinforce the prospect of the fed acting sooner and more aggressively and the flipside is whenever we have a good economic number may be of the fed is on hold and they won't cutback rate in

march or may or whenever, maybe 6 cuts or four cuts. it is confusing but very contrarian and unfortunately just the psychology of markets which is very very difficult for any of us to figure out. neil: another worry that is out there is the prospect of a government shutdown at least a partial one tomorrow if they don't quickly find a way to reconcile the house and senate on all these differences. suffice it to say markets have seen that 80 some odd times over the last couple decades so i doubt, you've got that and these ongoing concerns about the spreading middle east war the houthi rebel, the houthi attacks, pakistan, a lot of bombs in iran. it is widening and that is a wildcard development, what do you think?

>> there lies the siege of a black swan event. you are 100% correct. the reasons to be concerned and to stay away from the market is there are all these unknown issues out there and the markets on balance hate unknowns. they can deal with bad news and good news but it's the unknowns that create the problems. having said all that, the market hangs in. we are at or making new highs whether it's the s&p, the nasdaq or the dow, for some reason the markets seem to, i don't want to say ignore but digested this negative news, look at oil. oil hangs in in the low 70s what today chevron and exxon are at 12 month lows. if you adhere to the axiom which i do that markets and

individual stocks never lie, the fact that you have two big major oil companies making new lows yet oil is trading $70 a barrel, that itself tells you there's no scare factor in energy. you would think oil would get a lot higher but it isn't. it. 20 this is a presidential election year, generally very good for the markets. do you subscribe, that it will equal what we saw last year but it will be a good year for investors? >> i think the expectation, i don't mean to make fun of it but the administration is going to do everything they can't put lipstick on a pig if you well. will. it is an election year. the fed says they are not political. i suspect they are a little political but we will never know. as far as interest rate cuts i think we will get them whether we get 6 or 2 or 4 remains to

be seen but i think they will come closer, closer to the spring and summer, perhaps to help the economy a little bit. we will never know what the motivation is. hopefully it won't be political but on balance it is an election year, the governor will do what they can to make things look good and that should translate to a reasonably positive stock market. not a roaring stock market but reasonably positive. neil: when i hear about lipstick on a pig i'm thinking of the guy who actually tries it but i digress. it's always good seeing you. one of the best of the best that i feel the same way in new hampshire, following the candidates, the primary, only days away. who is there today versus who plans to come the next couple days? >> ron desantis is not here in

the granite state today, he actually flew back last night to his home state of florida but he left asleep in his bed because he's been on the road. he's back in a matter of hours and wanted to tell everyone who is listening that he's not giving up on new hampshire and also mentioned nikki haley is working hard on the ground, desantis says she doesn't have a shot. >> i surprised nikki haley is doing so well in new hampshire? >> is not doing that well, trust me. she got media attention and then got scrutiny, she cannot beat donald trump in new hampshire. >> reporter: donald trump did focuses attacks on nikki haley last night because she is surging in some polls. she was a rally in portsmouth slamming her, saying she is soft on the border so i asked her about it. >> is because trump says something doesn't make it true. he had a temper tantrum at a rally. what is he saying? that i was never for the border, i was the governor the

pass the toughest illegal immigration law in the country. >> another person we checked in with is new hampshire governor chris sununu. you talk to him often about what voters care about in the granite state, they care about the northern border, their pocketbooks and they don't watch these polls. >> how much stock do have to put in polls? >> when a poll is good a politician will touted all day and when it is bad, they don't mean anything. >> reporter: we have to remember these candidates are personalize, ron desantis wanted to stop at home and be right back, nikki haley flew back to south carolina to check in on her dad after he was hospitalized, wanted to let us know he's doing okay and she is still on the ground talking to voters. stuart: good to hear that. alexis mcadams, thank you. i want to go to the former 2024

presidential candidate who has endorsed donald trump. donald trump impressed with him promising an important demonstration role for him. always good to see you. >> good to see you. thanks for having me on. stuart: let me, did you get to the bottom of what that role would be, then important role would be in the trump administration? >> not focused on that. very kind, very generous to say those words during that rally but we are focused on donald trump getting the nomination as quickly as possible, uniting the republican party and driving the energy towards being president biden. when i was running we talked many times but i was running on the economy, energy, national security, these things are intertwined. we've got a proven leader who's got the strength and experience, donald trump who can get the economy going the

right direction. we know he is going to be strong on national security which means border security and he understands energy policy so he's the guy that can get the biden mess turnaround. stuart: treasury secretary? secretary? >> haven't spoken to him about it. people have been asking get me and it is flattering people think i could run the energy department, all those things. i've got a wide range of backgrounds but that is not what this is all about. our focus now, those are all hypotheticals. donald trump has a big election against president biden. we got to get our party united, stop the infighting and make sure people understand the right thing for the country, safe and prosperous hundred donald trump, the world has become more dangerous under president biden. neil: i'm belaboring this point, i'm just curious, no matter your politics a lot of people speak highly of you. this is been a successful governor and all around nice guy. when you hooked up with donald

trump, he has a history of going through cabinet secretaries like i do prime rib at an all-you-can-eat buffet. there's nothing wrong with that but i'm one just wondering, does that give you pause when thinking of joining trump if it ever came to that? he cruelly dumped people and said awful things about them after praising them. >> as you know i endorsed donald trump in 2016, i endorsed him in 2020. i campaigned in iowa for him in 2020. campaign for him this last week, i was in new hampshire with him tuesday. it isn't about a cabinet position but i've got a great job. i've got the best job in america as governor of north dakota. i got all kinds of opportunities in the private sector. i'm the last guy when i was running, i said i'm not running for president to get a cabinet position. i'm not endorsing donald trump to get a cabinet position. i'm endorsing him because it is the right thing for our country, the right thing for the world, the right thing for

everybody the cares about our environment, care about our economy, care about safety in your schools, he is the right answer. stuart: it still takes at this .1215 delegates to get to the republican nomination, donald trump has 20 so he's a long way away. i know as time marches on here, by march 4th if you go through the primaries with the delegate breakdown here we have another 248 delegates up for grabs at that time and then getting ahead to supertuesday where you are all over the map, not you specifically, 855 doug works. a lot of people think in that timeframe may be around march 5th area, maybe pushback march 12th to nineteenth donald trump has -19 donald trump has all wrapped up, do you think that's true? >> absolutely.

there's never been a win like we've seen in the republican primary in iowa. donald trump won with women, won with college-educated voters, won with rural, won with suburban. he's leading in all 50 states. this is going to be over by supertuesday. >> that was only 13% turnout, he won by a country mile and it was very cold so i'm not minimizing that but the fact of the matter is barely had little over 100,000 people voting? >> i think -- i have a chance to campaign in over 20 states spent a lot of time in iowa, new hampshire, around the country, the support for donald trump has never been higher. and conversely president biden's numbers have never and worse. there's a lot of excitement among republican voters, you will see a consolidation, you will see people uniting, all kinds of endorsements coming to

donald trump on or before supertuesday. this primary is effectively over in my mind already, the sooner we get as a republic and party focused on president biden about the country will be and the better off every citizen is going to be. julie: we are watching closely, thank you, very good catching up with you. >> always good to be with you. julie: we are watching the weather. a perfect dark -- big effect on iowa voting. it is so-called come might have mentioned it once or twice when i was out there. now people are telling me it's going to be pretty bad in new hampshire too. not as if i said so with this thing or the fact that one hundred million americans are in the path of something just like it but i'm watching it. ♪ ♪

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adam: let's look at bitcoin prices right now not doing much if anything. there is a great open expectation when etfs were allowed and sec road off of them, great pause saying if you want to get into this it is up to you but bottom line is etfs are out there. there are other options.

it is lower than the price at which it was when we got that announcement but the fact of the matter is my next guest says it is still up to the races, draper associates found her very keen on this technology and it was a long time ago, still stays that way. very good to have you. you are still bullish on this but it's a bumpy ride. >> absolutely. whenever you have any kind of global transformation or anthropological leap forward, there's always fits and starts, bitcoin is no different. transforming our global economy, it's going to be quite easy to do business over the next two decades because of bitcoin, going to make it very easy for people to keep perfect records on block chain, easy for governments to collect taxes.

neil: you might have telegraphed this when bitcoin was trading at $4000 and you were talking about getting $250,000 and you said even then, i didn't expect how fearful the us would be. we would be having conversations like i have been having in el salvador. that there was a concerted effort that continues to this day with those in power including sec's gary gensler who when announcing his this said go ahead but i wouldn't do it. i'm wondering what you make of that. >> i just saw that amazing speech on capitalism by the argentinian president and he

shows how governments and countries grow in extraordinary ways with free market capitalism and as government start to meddling businesses, and try to dictate what everybody does in the country, that turns into collectivism or socialism and doesn't work. economies go flat and you end up with more poverty. if you want people off of the streets, you want freedom. bitcoin allows that freedom. it is transparent, it is open, globally accepted and it will save retailers 2% which is a pretty big number for a retailer. julie: are still bullish on it. i want your take.

>> i do like that they finally said okay to etfs but they have so much farther to go because it is completely legal as you mentioned in el salvador, other countries, many other countries are taking it up and saying why don't we make this part of our global economy, and cheaper accounting and a better system of economics. everyone knows what it is worth. it is not -- trump spends $9 trillion, and unfathomable amount of money on the pandemic and we had huge inflation and dollars became worth $0.75 overnight. that kind of thing wouldn't happen with bitcoin.

it is not tied up. neil: you still like it. you're not a huge fan of donald trump and what happened in his administration. you like nikki haley. do you know if nikki haley shares your enthusiasm for a lot of these crypto plays bitcoin included? >> nikki haley believes in freedom and understands smaller government, lighter touch government grows and economy faster, she understands, she's good with money. she also, she is a woman and where trump has this history with women i can't believe any self-respecting woman whatever vote for donald trump. women should be getting behind nikki haley in a big way.

women are tougher but this is the time and this is a huge opportunity and she is so good and so delightful and so smart, we would be so lucky if she ends up -- lauren: 1 if she doesn't win new hampshire. not sure that would affect your financial support but we heard from other donors who quietly say it would, this latest flavor as some call her would fizzle out and it's donald trump's nomination to lose. >> people pick up on these little words and like to take shots at people and all that stuff but we have a really good candidate in nikki haley running for president, and the american people are smart and have always ended up choosing the right candidate. i know donald trump helps you guys sell ads because he does such crazy stuff but that doesn't mean he should be president. sean: no interest in whether

donald trump sells ads or not. you raise a lot of very good points. >> you guys sure talk a lot about him and we have a really good candidate, and she should be our president. neil: you should watch the show more often before you make broad sweeping charges but i thank you very much for joining us. i want to bring your attention to a couple other development we've been following, the president of the united states getting off to north carolina. some other things he will be touting, bidenomics and providing more internet service for those in rural areas. is going to raleigh, north carolina last time i checked, perhaps one of the most advanced technological centers on the east coast of the united states so it is a good bet to assume they had internet but that's not the case, stay with us.

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adam: neil: i don't know if he's going to herald bidenomics but he will push the benefits of bidenomics in north carolina. i'm talking about the president of the united states. edward. >> reporter: 30 minutes, the president will land in the raleigh-durham area. he's not mentioned the word bidenomics since the summer seventh but the press secretary said it yesterday. the president is going to talk about the spending to invest in raleigh-durham in north carolina. the president will announce new investments, $82 million from the american rescue plan to connect some more people and businesses to high-speed internet. the president will tell people how $3 billion in the bipartisan infrastructure bill

will help companies in north carolina build plants that make fiber-optic cables, connect school to high-speed internet, libraries and healthcare facilities. this is part of the messaging the white house is trying to do to boost those economic poll numbers. >> sales be expectation tapping a record holiday shopping season from tvs to toys, americans were able to buy gifts for their loved ones that are more affordable and arrived on time thanks to the president's work to fix and strengthen supply chains. >> the fact is americans see inflation up 17.6% since the month president biden came into office. senator marsha blackburn says the president's spending as part of the problem is to negotiate a deal with ukraine funding, border and government to avoid a shutdown. >> we have to freeze federal spending, federal hiring, and federal salaries and start to

get this bureaucracy slammed down. it's too expensive, too much government. the american people cannot afford this. >> the senate voting today on a continuing resolution to kick the can down the road little bit for a short-term fix on this, they are working on the president helping negotiate with a larger spending package. neil: thank you, edward lawrence to charlie gasparino on this, does seem to be a pitch americans aren't receiving. charles: and achievement, americans buy gifts during the christmas holiday. and around christmas. stuart: by touting bidenomics without saying a bidenomics will that make a difference? >> nobody knows what it means. he scores the lowest on the economy. one thing that he does have going for him meaning the president is if the economy does accelerate, that's a huge

if in the next year. a lot of people predict a slowdown, maybe nata recession but an economic slowdown. if it does, if he does get the wind at his back it is possible he could pull this off. if he doesn't have the wind at his back the numbers right now, they haven't started in on trump yet. it has been people focused on president biden. trump going to court. if he does have numbers on his back -- neil: say this will be a steady trend of better-than-expected numbers, they talk about mortgage rates, seen the latest numbers. that trend is their friend and they think it will be filled by election. charles: jamie dimon doesn't think that. neil: jamie dimon has not been exactly -- you don't buy that, you don't buy that. charles: i don't think there's enough numbers.

i think to be honest with you it is hysterical that they part presence during the holiday. the problem is federal spending is being cut back, that's less of a stimulus to the economy. you are going to have some slowdown from high interest rates. it is hard for the fed to cut rates now. neil: jamie is in the camp making recession. charles: i don't think they cut rates. larry thinks is two cuts. charles: member dick diamond? you and i are old enough to remember after the 1987 stock market crash, don't know where you are at that point. you covered it.

and you had in any event i remember sitting in a room watching what's happening in new york and he said we have to get our fiscal house in order. and there was something called something or other. neil: it would force many cuts. neil: i wish had more time to go back in time. charlie gasparino, the best of the best, a move by a united states congressman and kevin o'leary paying attention to small business. ♪

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adam: it is all about avoiding a partial government shutdown as of midnight tomorrow. chad -- chad pergram has more. >> reporter: the senate votes shortly on the spending plan. mike johnson faces a revolt from some on the right who oppose band-aid bills but others support it. >> two strikes against it. what we would like to do and those things we were able to do, we can separate those things. the american people need to know what we stand for and we

need to demonstrate that we can govern. >> reporter: arch conservatives don't like the johnson cut a deal with democrats. they dislike the spending number and oppose johnson doing another interim bill. that's why johnson is relying on democrats to pass the bill. >> house democrats are willing to find bipartisan common ground to meet the needs of the american people. the american people are frustrated this do-nothing republican congress can't get out of its own way. >> reporter: johnson faces pressure as the senate tries to finalize a deal. he only wants something which reflects hr 2, the border security plan house past last year. the gop tied aid to ukraine to abort a deal some conservatives believe the push is because of ukraine. >> if you want to use ukraine as a hook uchitel president

biden we won't give you another diamond to you get a -- illegal border crossings to a good number but the fact that's not on the table tells you this is not about border security but sending $61 billion to ukraine. >> reporter: senate minority leader mitch mcconnell wants the border and international aid package on the floor next week. chuck schumer says it is not a done deal yet. they must work through this agreement. neil: even any type of shutdown would be unwelcome for small businesses. congressman pennsylvania republican joins us and kevin o'leary, short-term investor. you are part of this because you are concerned about small business in particular. we are on the verge of a shutdown. >> not at all. we heard hearings today that

were fruitful and attractive and simple. small businesses in america, 5 to 500 employees, 60% of the jobs in america. that's the economy. you don't want them to have trouble getting capital. neil: how likely is it we will see that? >> we are fortunate to have kevin neil with us, brought a lot of attention to small business committee which is important to our economy of course. regarding the question on the budget i think it is going to pass a short-term cr today, frankly right now i am undecided. if we are going to kick the can down the road i want to make sure we are kicking it somewhere, getting what we

need, some more fiscal responsibility and border security measures. neil: back to your canadian roots. critical about the prospect this country could be on the verge of returning donald trump to power, trump is an isolationist, the european central bank and leaders abroad fear that prospect, sending the world backward. what do you think of that? >> i say these words with no disrespect to canada looking at it from that perspective. canadian citizen, canada has one of the best natural resource bases on earth. it is managed by idiots, trudeau is the worst prime minister ever put in power, no execution skills. hopefully we will thank him for his service in the next 18

months. it is important to canada that he move on. i mean to -- no disrespect, successful politician, incredibly weak management. neil: you argue he has not taken advantage of that. >> it is much worse than that but i wouldn't let him manage canada. neil: i will put you as a maybe on the prime minister. me get your take on the state of congress. we just passed the covid debt level here, seems to go out of control whatever party is in power, the white house and congress. seems like an uncontrollable train wreck. >> reporter: during the trump administration covid kaman, the economy lost $3 trillion. $4 trillion in new spending, new debt, guilty as charged.

when the biden administration came in and thought it would add $6 trillion at a time we were recovering that caused inflation, interest rates and an attack on domestic energy causing disruptions in the economy. we need fiscal sanity. i'm not passing the blame completely on the democrats but we are talking about cutting spending. they are talking about increasing spending. the republican majority spending another trillion dollars. we are serious about economic growth, we've got to reinstitute the tax-cut and jobs act, stop these regulations. be energy independent, energy dominant. to make our economy strong, the country strong. neil: on the state of the united states finances, the markets seem to be overcoming a lot of these fears.

markets do climb the wall of worry but worries are piling up. >> there are concerns but what we discussed is important for the economy, basil 3, bad policy, not only what makes us less competitive globally but regional banks, that's a bad piece of paper. also concerned about uncertainty at the regional bank level. they close up like a plan. we have evidence but out to the committee, small businesses that don't have access to capital. neil: great seeing you again. markets are going back and forth on dealing with

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united states, our frosty signal back to the administration that he opposes the effort to recommend a palestinian state in any scenario, that's not going to happen. the abraham accord negotiator during the trump administration former taliban negotiator. the reaction from benjamin netanyahu, you may think that's a good way to settle this matter, stab at a palestinian state, that is not happening. what do you think? >> the palestinian authority, it is too week, he's just being realistic. i will say eventually there needs to be some solution. i would like him to finish the funding work he has to get done to make a difference. neil: you know this better than i but i'm surprised our

president and the he have not chatted since december 23rd. obviously they have very different visions how to conduct the war in gaza. that's a long time ago. >> part of the reason might be president biden is starting to understand the impact of appeasement. what you see happening with the houthis, iran attacking pakistan, terrorists attacking terrorists, that's the result of appeasement so perhaps president biden, difficult to ask him to stand down. if you see what happens in the world. neil: where do you think this goes three months into it, not like there's an opportunity to get out of it. >> the israelis do more plumbing work, there's a

discussion with other arab allies about how things go forward and they hunt down the senior hamas operatives that are alive right now. neil: in the meantime we just launched overnight our fourth attack on houthi rebel positions in yemen. did they fire back, not successfully, no doubt we follow on. between this and pakistan, counterattacks iran, it is expanding. i'm wondering how aggressively. >> you are seeing instability and instability is bred through in action and lack of strength. my recommendation to the biden administration would be to work with our arab allies to show stability and not to be afraid to act. it took a long time on the houthis. it is not acceptable from a business perspective to have the red sea closed to ships,

this isn't an okay situation. the houthis are not a large military force. we are the united states of america. they are the houthis. we have allies. we need to act aggressively and clamp it down and you will see the more aggressively we act, the less you will see iran and its proxies feed off of the policy of appeasement. charles: the the biden administration has said the more strikes are pending against the houthis. he is confident they are at work. with the strikes you have seen do you see them working? none of the 17 various shippers that have avoided the red sea or because of this have changed their plans. what do you think? >> i will make an analog to russia and ukraine. every time we were moving with ukraine we were slow. they would ask for tanks, we

waited months. we waited, we waited. my opinion here is they are making the right moves and they need to continue. just waited a long time. it took weeks and weeks and weeks, lots of warnings and lots of broadcasting so houthis could move things around so now they need to continue and opening the red sea has to be a priority. i think they are going to do that and i think they should. they should have reacted right away. neil: good seeing you. adam miller, former negotiator under the trump administration. we were telling you about the widening affect of this war in the middle east. oil has popped up a little bit but from this first crisis when it started with hamas's attack on israel, oil prices are below where they were that day so this is wall street's way of

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