of all increasing oil supply. something is happening in the united states and it is, we're silently breaking oil production records which is very contradictly to the current administration's green agenda. my theory they're just trying to keep gas places below, cheap before the election. china is very unstable right now and there is volatility in the middle east so the fact that oil can't get over $80 a share is very surprising. >> tony, great to see you. he is going nuclear, folks. he is selling out some energy names he had before and going into cameco and ura. tony, great to have you. [closing bell rings] stocks continue their slide from last week with the dow down 64 points. it is nvidia weighing heavily on the nasdaq. that index down close to 1% today. we will see you tomorrow. ♪. larry: hello, folks, welcome to

"kudlow," i'm larry kudlow. all right tonight we're going to take another look at the donald trump political persecution in the courtroom and the incredibly insidious terms of finance that he needs to pass even before he gets to appeal to the new york appellate court. it is an unbelievable story of political persecution. we'll also look at new york city. heck, give everybody a debit card. illegal immigrants will have a debit card comes to 2 1/2 billion dollars or more over a period of time. it is most remarkable. heck, we should give out debit cards to everybody. they can come from around the world. there will be no end to it. former world bank president david malpass will respond tote biden administration. the bleed ins say -- bidens say big government spending and big socialism spending give us a soft landing. mr. malpass don't think so.

are we selling out the to the u.n.? details of trump pricecution, persecution might be better. let's go to our own kelly o'grady live from trump tower in new york city. kelly, what you got? >> reporter: well, larry the 30-day deadline to pay that monster fine from friday's ruling is fast approaching. the former president's legal team has confirmed he will appeal but it is not going to be cheap. so all-in he is looking at $450 million, if you include interest for an appeal he would need to pull up the full cash amount in an escrow amount or could he post a bond which would allow him to use a mix of cash and assets. there is some speculation he could have to tell the new york properties to foot the bill. i'm talking about trump tower, worth 300 million. trump international. if he doesn't come up with the funds, state could seize the property, sell them for pennies on dollar, in a non-appealable

scenario. he says he has the cash to meet the deadline. there are clear argument for an appeal. for example the law trump was found guilty of violating in past cases traditionally we've seen testimony from victims describing their harm. here there was none. one thing to keep an eye on, larry, the judge reserved the right to put dissolving trump's businesses back on the table pending investigation by a court appointed monitor. raising questions how objective that investigation will be. back to you. larry: thank you very much, kelly o'grady. my quick take on this. maybe not so quick because this is a brutal, devastating story. first as any common sense person knows letitia james, arthur engoron ruling against donald trump was nothing more than political persecution. as byron york wrote today, byron will be with us in a few moments, new york state attorney general james has been campaigning for years to bring financial and political ruin on

president trump. here is some of it for yourself. >> no one is above the law including this illegitimate president! [applause] so i look forward, i look forward to going into the office of attorney general every day suing him, defending your rights. larry: by the way, why isn't that fomenting insurrection? this by the way was back in 2018 and james found her cat's paw in this judge engoron who is basically a democratic, clubhouse politician in new york. that's all he is. meanwhile regarding the facts of the case there were no victims, no damages, no consumer complaints. there were satisfied banks and other lenders who made a ton of money doing business with the trump organization. mr. trump hired tens of thousands of people and paid

over $300 million in taxes to the city and state of new york over time. and he virtually changed the skyline of the city. he once rebuilt what is called the woman skating rink in central park. new york politicians spent years failing to do it, and mr. trump gave great happiness to parents and their kids all over the city in the process. as left-wing democrats weaponize arsenal of judicial power they imposed draconian provisions on president trump's appeal process. as a non-lawyer, my understanding in order to get to the new york appellate court mr. trump must post some kind of a guaranteed surety bond in order to cover payment if the trial judgment is ever affirmed. stay with me on this, folk, this would be a bond secured with

collateral, cot lal, letters of credit from banks, other types assets including real estate. essentially, stay with me on this, one party has to guarranty another party's obligation to a third party, making this potentially even more difficult. in other words, one party has to guarranty mr. trump's obligation to the satisfaction of the court in order to get it into the court of appeals. the engoron decision by the way bans any borrowing from new york banks. that makes it even tougher. i don't know if that allows insurance companies or not to guarranty the bond. i just don't know. the sum total here could be up to 400 million bucks including interest. then presumably the money for the bond will be deposited to the court and held in escrow pending the actual appeal. all right. these hyperpunitive conditions reveal again the nature of the political prosecution and

persecution of the new york democrats are inflicting on trump. there is no proportionality to what this weaponized court has done. that's why eminent jurist jonathan turley called this whole process insidious. where exactly did this number, 355 million plus another 100 million for interest rates, where did it come from? nobody knows. it is arbitrary. it could have welcome from the white house. it could well have come from the oval office where biden and his cronies would love to throw trump in jail for 700 years, take away his businesses, rob him of all his money, they would love to do this. political prosecution, soviet style is what this really is. of course the decision like this will deter or prevent businesses from coming into new york city or state. i know that this will stop people from coming here. that's an easy one. but where's the free choice? where is president trump's free

choice? where is president trump's freedom? freedom to start a business, freedom to run a business, freedom to succeed in business, freedom to spread prosperity everywhere he goes? and where is president trump's right to free speech, his first amendment rights? where is donald trump's right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? certainly not in the letitia james, arthur engoron courtroom, ever. that's my riff. all right? that is my riff. all right, we'll talk some more about this. let's bring in byron york, "washington examiner" chief political correspondent, fox news contributor. byron, you wrote a beautiful column today. so happy we could get you on the show to talk about some of this. you even got into the some of the details. the financial details are difficult details and we probably can't answer them all,

i tried to lay them out in my riff but your point this is just politics, this is just weaponization around i think, byron, let me ask you, politically, you're an political analyst, expert analyst, when you look at this what do they think, ordinary people, people who ney not like trump, people would not vote for trump, what could they possibly think watching this? >> as you know the most aggressive anti-trumpers have said for years that donald trump has to be held accountable for whatever it is he has done and this is really letitia james' contribution to that. you played that sound of her pledging to bring down trump. i mean that was her campaign platform, to bring down trump and by the way she is the attorney general. she could have indicted the former president but wasn't able to get a charge together on this evidence and the feds couldn't do that either. so she file this is lawsuit to

try to bankrupt and destroy the former president's financial empire. as you were saying this verdict is a real step towards that and by the way there a was no jury in this case. it was judge engoron's decision and his alone and he explains in the decision that the law did not give trump a right to a jury trial. so it is not like his lawyers made any mistake forgot to ask for a jury trial. the law did not allow trump a jury trial in this case. larry: that is one reason, byron, first of all a very important point that you make. second of all, it is why i have raised the point here, where is trump's free speech? where is his right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? where is this right to constitutional rights? they wouldn't even let a jury trial here. as you know the judge made up his mind before. this was effectively a show trial. the judge had made up his mind and told everybody before. i think you also know, in new york the way it works the

state supreme court is not a high level court. it is a lower level court. there are no primaries. republicans don't run anymore. the judges are picked by democratic clubhouses in effect as engoron was years ago. so what kind of a democracy is this? what kind of legal system is this? that's why i asked, folks looking at this, if they pay any attention to it at all have to walk away figuring out trump has been railroaded big time? >> well it was extraordinary about this was trump was found guilty of overvaluing his properties and what was interesting is in the decision judge engoron says that trump showed absolutely no contrition. he never said he was sorry, he erred or was at fault. then judge engoron said, said overvaluing the properties to save money is a a venial sinwar,

it is not a mortal. trump didn't kill anybody. he didn't commit arson. he is not bernie madoff. the judge specifically said that, and then the judge applied a near death penalty penalty to trump and you know what, one thing that was interesting, you were discussing earlier, with this maybe 450 million-dollar judgment, trump has to come up with the money just to appeal. larry: yes. >> so you're convicted of something fork, you have to sell your house to get the money to be able to appeal and then, you win the appeal but your house is gone. so this is a real problem for trump now. larry: let's bring in the great jonathan turley who has been discoursing about this. you called it, jonathan, insidious, let me put in george washington university, and fox legal contributor, just all around here low guy. you've been working hard. but you know, jonathan, how, you have to basically put your life up, everything you did, your

building, i don't even know, maybe you can tell me legally, can insurance companies operating in new york, can they guarranty this bond, this surety bond that may have to be guaranteed before it gets to the court of appeals and the appellate court? i mean to say it's not fair is almost bree side the point. to say it is politically driven i think is closer to the point but now you tell me the legal point. he can't go to new york banks. can he go to new york insurance companies or who is going to put up this bond? >> yeah, that's a very good question because he is barred from doing business in new york. you know, there is two issues here. one is he can bring up the cash which is going to be obviously quite difficult or he can seek a bond. if he does get a bond, it will come at a premium cost, even if he prevails it will cost him millions and millions of dollars just to get that bond. he could go to the trial court or the court of appeals and ask

for a waiver from the bonding or the deposit requirement but, in the end it just adds to this rather awful, rather awful optics. you have this use of a statute in a way that has never been done before. the imposition of what amounts to $455 million on even though there were no victims that lost a single penny and then, in order to appeal that, to get someone to look at the decision of this one judge, you have to produce something that is the equivalent to the gnp of a small nation. larry: jonathan, where did that number come from, 355 plus 10% interest, 455, where did that number come from? where is the heavin forbid, the word proportionate, but proportionate to what? nobody lost money here?

>> when you drill down on this opinion you hit an an pocket -- air pocket. there is not a there. he hyperred pretty much any figure he could find. much of it is, if he revealed more information, bank would call for more difficult terms and asked for higher interest rates. that is not at all clear. the trump organization was famous for squeezing banks precisely because they were as the witnesses described a whale client. you know the banks themselves said, no, we made a lot of money on this and we wanted more business from trump. so a lot of this is rather speculative. larry: yeah, that is what i couldn't figure either. byron, what are the politics here? how does this impact the presidential race? >> well, this is one of those

cases that republicans have just completely rejected as an unfair targeting of the former president so it affects him not at all in the republican primary except to the effect is adds to his support, to that extent it adds to his support, so it doesn't change anything. as far as the resistance, anti-trumpers are concerned, they're basically adding this 450 million-dollar penalty to the 83 million-dollar penalty from the second e gene carroll case to the five million dollar penalty from the first e. jean carroll case and kind of high-fiving each other, so far this lawfare cost trump more than a half a billion dollars and here again, the idea is to bring him down. the idea of the actual prosecutors, alvin bragg in new york, fani willis in georgia, and jack smith in the

two federal cases is to actually put him in jail. that story starts on march 25th with the criminal trial in new york. larry: jonathan turley, just last thought, this will sound political but it is not meant to be political, political. what i want to ask you is look, new york is a one horse town, it is a democratic town. there are only 13 republicans left in manhattan. i know everyone and their cell phone number. we'll put that aside for a minute but there is something wrong with a system where you judges get elected at a fairly local level, essentially by clubhouses. now if it were republican city like this and it was republican clubhouses i would probably like that outcome more, jonathan but i would probably still ask the same question, how can this be a good system? it is so predicated on political bias. these are clubhouses. people come, non-lawyers, let es endorse so-and-so. he has no opposition in the

primary. you get an arthur engoron and get a. >> circle system like this. i'm not asking you about two sides, i'm asking a constitutional process system. there has to be a better way here? >> i think there is a better way. the problem new york was always democratic. it always had its problems. it had its avenging district attorneys but it also had the premier corporate law system. larry: right. >> not only was center of business it was the center of business law and that has been shattered here. so a lot of businesses can put up with a lot of the nonsense, the political rhetoric, the eat the rich campaigns but they could rely on this legal system. that's gone now. i mean the face of the new york corporate law system is now letitia james and that's a face that launched a thousand ships towards florida. larry: yes. >> why would trump or other companies stick around to see who is going to be the next

target? larry: well-put, jonathan turley, well-put. you're exactly right. byron york, thank you ever so much. great column today. we'll see how this stuff plays out. >> thank you, larry. larry: we'll see how it plays out. hard to predict. anyway, folks moving on for the "kudlow" show, i've got one for you, debit cards. new york city, debit cards for illegal immigration, all right? debit cards. is there a better invitation? one expert suggests it will cost 2 1/2 billion dollars, okay? this is for illegals to reward them for coming to new york. how about that? debit cards. i would like a new debit card. we'll talk about it with fox news national correspond dented griff jenkins who has been covering immigration forever. folks, remember, we're here, you can catch "kudlow," monday through friday 4:00 p.m. every day right here on fox business. if for some crazy reason you can't get us, just text your favorite nine-year-old and she will show you how to dvr the

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♪. larry: all right, back to the migrant story. you know what? it's not just mexico.

migrants from countries like china, kazakhstan, syria, they're flooding into our country with no end in sight. fox news bill melugin on the ground in jacumba, california with more. bill, great story. >> reporter: larry, the demographics of the people showing up here in jacumba are wild. i never net anybody from kazakhstan in my life. they walked down from a mountain and start chatting with us. that is how it is in san diego county. look at video our team shot via drone. another group crossed illegally on the other side of town in ha couple ba, san diego sector saying 1000 illegal crossings a day. a lot of these folks are asia. where are you from? >> india, china,. >> georgia. >> georgia. where are you from? >> india you. >> china. >> china. ma'am where are you from? china? >> china?

>> china. >> china. >> china. >> reporter: georgia. >> china. reporter: take a look at this video, same group, a woman collapsed or fainted as she was getting processed by border patrol. she went down. border patrol helped her. she ended up taken away in a ambulance. fully alert, fully conscious, no clue what the medical condition was there, regardless what it was, taxpayers out here will be on the hook for whatever that medical bill is. back out here, larry, the number of chinese showing up down here is just remarkable. we had more than 200 yesterday alone. more than 20,000 since october. just the other day, colleague griff jenkins talked to three guys from syria who showed up here. we're getting a mixed bag from all around the world. we're not seeing anybody from those northern triangle countries down here that the administration is so focused on

when it comes to so-called root causes. back to you. larry: root causes, i say to you, give sifting next to me here on set, saintly wife and i lived in san diego for a while. we never met anybody from kazakhstan, china or india, or any of these exotic places. don't know whether to laugh or cry. bill melugin always do great stuff. thanks for helping out. for more, let's bring in aforementioned griff jenkins, fox news national correspondent. griff, beside your widespread acquaintanceship in kazakhstan, you have these cards you're showing me. i don't know if you can show up to the camera. "remain in mexico" cards found on the ground. hold it up. it is a temporary visa from mexico. in that very spot where bill is doing great reporting, i was there for the past week in jacumba, literally right in the area, these are all chinese i.d.s, they immediately

discard it because they don't want the u.s. fishes larry to know they have some temporary security, some temporary status legally in mexico because our officials might say you should wait there because you can apply for asylum there they want to be in the u.s. that is the plan. they have no interest in being in juarez. larry: this was legacy of trump's "remain in mexico." >> "remain in mexico" worked. president biden by executive fiat can do something, they want to call it something different these migrants from all over the world, honest to god it is like a u.n. conference out there. i had afghanistan, peru, ecuador, syria, a long with chinese, i had a guy from africa, from liberia, cameroon, it is unbelievable. many are flying in, larry. if you look closely at the videos bill is showing chinese very cleaned dressed.

they didn't go through pan mainian jungle and through central america, southern mexico. they flew into tijuana and walked across. they were carrying stroller bags you see at airport. the numbers, i don't want to go on too long here, numbers bill was mentioning, 20,000 plus since the beginning of fiscal year of chinese migrants coming across our southwest border, more than 90% are in that san diego sector. if you look back at fiscal year 2021, there were a total of 450 total migrants. i looked back at the three past, the last 72 hours in just ha couple ba, in the san diego sector there have been 452. in the three days, past three days we had more chinese nationals legally crossing than the entire fiscal year of 2021. larry: sure. can i ask you a question? the focus of this story has shifted to san diego apparently. >> right. larry: is part of this because

the barbed wire in texas, the barriers they're putting up in texas are working? >> you bet. larry: heavin forbid i could use the word wall. i'm happy, you want barbed wire chicken wire, whatever the hell wire, it's working. is there a lesson there? >> there is some cooperation from mexico and there is what governor abbott is doing. the number one comment i got from jacumba residents live there with migrants coming across, man i'm sure impressed what abbott did with the shipping containers, wire, texas dps hardening their border. look at the shots where melugin is, governor newsom is not down there. the problem in in addition to national security risk, i spoke to three syrians a state sponsor of terror, illegal immigrants get free health care in california since january 1st. free health care, in the entire state of california is a

sanctuary state. once they get here they will be protected. larry: heck, i'm surprised they haven't given them debit cards in california. they will probably work on that. it is very important. a couple, three billion dollars worth. probably no end to it. it is an entitlement the that will go on forever. >> there is no greater incentive, larry, if i had a stray dog show up at my backdoor tomorrow and i cooked it a steak. larry: yeah. >> guess what? larry: he will be back. >> coming back with his 10 friends tomorrow. larry: we love dogs. you make a very good point. it is called the incentive system. we want to keep the border open. griff jenkins, best of the best. stay away from the kazakhstan anies. lael brainerd, runs the flags economic council or gene sperling another biden economic advisor but the biden big government spending model will not work over time, all right? we'll talk about it with the former president of the world bank, david malpass.

we'll report nikki haley is going after trump. the former president is not too worried about it. we'll ask giano caldwell and doug collins what they think. nikki haley made a speech. i don't know what she is saying or proving by that. she is getting clobbered in her home state. not cats sack stan, not here on "kudlow." that is different than kazakhstan. griff, we appreciate it. liberty bushumal. libtreally blubatoo. mark that one. that was nice! i think you're supposed to stand over there. oh am i? thank you. so, a couple more? we'll just...we'll rip. we'll go quick. libu smeebo. libu bribu. limu bibu...and me. doug: he's an emu! only pay for what you need. jingle: ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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♪. larry: so a biden economist, lael brainard, gene sperling and others they argue the biden big government spending model is working. let's ask david malpass, former president of the world bank what he thinks about it. they're crowing because they have got, a couple good gdp numbers. okay, it is all done through government spending. you saw the cbo baseline. that is the biden baseline. debt gets to almost 120% of gdp

i don't even usually care about that but that is remarkable. you know the story. what is your response to them? >> a bunch of logic problems with it. if you create a problem, you fix it, will you take credit for fixing it? on the supply side they create the problem with regulations. well let's spend lots of government money on infrastructure to fix the problem. let's take credit for it even though the national debt is going to be way through the roof. so that's a problem from the logic side and actually how do you do it, how do you get government growing, they're making the old keynesian argument, more spending always works. you spend on chips, but at the same time with the other hand you're doing lng constraint on all the middle of the country that europe needs -- there are many problems with cutting off the lng exports from the u.s. europe needs it.

it hurts them at a time they ned help because they're socialist and people around the world will be burning wood and coal to make up for the loss of natural gas from the u.s. larry: "the flinstones." go back in time, 400 years. you know, gene sperling who we both know, it is not personal, gene is a nice fellow, but here's the point, gene is saying back out of obama days coming out of the financial meltdown they doesn't have enough government spending. now they figured it out. that is why that $1.9 trillion bill, plus the infrastructure bill, chips bill, spending bills they put $6 trillion on the board and the debt is mounting. they will be up to $120 trillion worth of debt. we didn't do enough then. we have done enough now. that is why we have a great economy. where does this end, this debt binge, spending deficits and debt, where does it end, how does it end? >> it doesn't for them. you say what was the baseline, what would have happened if you

hadn't done those things, instead reduced regulation or made it logical, which is not really what they're doing. they're putting lots of money into electric vehicles that people don't want to buy and so if you had done it differently wouldn't you, with this amazing country we get to live in you would have come out with a better result. so you've got to really look what was your baseline if you hadn't done those policies? and i think it would have been a better outcome and that's where we need to look going forward. the critical thing is, you know, there is this fiscal train wreck coming in 2025 where the debt limits runs out and spending bills run out, the taxes go up and the regulations come really heavily burdening the economy. so what are you going to do to stop that and make it different? you can't run on the backward record because it leaves you exposed into the future. larry: but one thing they, besides not talking about deficits and debt, they don't talk about the lingering impact

of the inflation which got to 9%. now the year to year inflation has come down, somewhere between three and four i will say but the reality is, over three years, the inflation rate is up almost 20%, meanwhile weekly earnings, wages are only up about 15%. so real wages have fallen. they don't, they talk about real wages the last few months but not over the three-year period. middle class working folks, david malpass, can't afford to live in the biden economy. i think that is the achilles' heel of this. >> i'm from michigan, so this is what you're seeing going on. people say, whoa, great, we got union jobs because all of the electric vehicles are being required and we're losing our jobs but does that play with the people? i think people see through that. they say wait a minute, this is not a workable way to run the economy and you can't just say four more years of that approach.

i think that needs to be the core, that, that if you keep regulating, you're going to lose jobs and you can't paper it over with temporary spending. larry: big government socialism to use newt gingrich's phrase, you know you might get a couple of quarters of gdp growth through this government spending but you're not getting business, you're not getting cap-ex, you're not getting supply side and the inflation lingers. i think that's a problem. >> if you're sitting if you're a dictator sitting out side the u.s., have at it, i will beat you at that game. i can outguide my economy. larry: all right. talk about that another time, outguide. larry: david malpass, great friend. folks switching gears let's look at the 2024 race. giano caldwell, fox news political analyst, doug collins, former georgia congressman. gentlemen, thank you very, very much. i don't know if you have had the pleasure of seeing nikki haley.

let's see, she refuses to drop out. we have sound from nikki haley. listen to it and weep? >> i refuse to quit. south carolina will vote on saturday but on sunday, i will still be running for president. i'm not going anywhere. larry: so i just don't, you know, gianno, all right, she wants to run she can run, but if you you lose by 30 points in your home state, what's the mandate, what's the reason, what's the rationale behind your campaign? at some point you have to come to grips with that, don't you? >> recent polling out today, recently, fox news reported the support of likely voters in south carolina is going to be over 60 plus percent of likely voters. now mind you nikki haley has been looking to recruit democrats into the primary process to vote for her and she had a little bit of success with that in new hampshire. i don't imagine she will have much success with that in

south carolina. certainly after south carolina, and she loses there, we got donald trump at over 60% in michigan, 52% in california, we are talking super tuesday numbers here. there is nowhere to go. larry: yeah. >> unfortunately there are some who are willing to support her still. donors, democrats are putting money in et cetera, but there is no way to go. at this point she is attempting to be a spoiler. she cannot spoil it. donald trump is the nominee in my eyes. polling says it. we had multiple elections to confirm it. she needs to move aside. it has been nice, participation trophies she gets but she needs to move aside. larry: doug collins, good to see you. at some point you run these races, look she is running. it is a free country, god bless her, she is running but i neverred into particularly what her rational was for running.

she makes a lot of charges against donald trump. most of them are not true. nearly all of them are not true. if you want to vote for nikki haley, why vote for nikki haley? what is the point of it, doug collins. >> larry, good as well. i will be more blunt. she is not a spoiler anymore. she is democrat talking point. she has become a defacto spokesman for the biden campaign, everything she says attacking donald trump goes straight to the biden campaign website. you see it in the fall. senate ads, governmental ads, presidential ads out of her mouth attacking donald trump. rationale, she was blown up new voice, somebody new in the party, but from early on this has been over. the race is over now. the only person i used to think she wanted to get to south carolina. it is not getting to south carolina anymore. it is to attack donald trump. it is almost beginning to look personal. larry: i want to say she made a

big mistake, breaking down and crying, going into tears. that is not what you want foreign governments to see. not what you want foreign dictators to see. a lot of women here in the building talked to me about it, women in politics, great. women in politics breaking down and crying, not great. that used to be a cardinal sin. i don't know how that is going to play. gianno, let me go back to one thing, laura ingraham will do a town hall with trump tonight. laura ingraham is about as smart as you can get. what do you think mr. trump is going to go? i'm interested in this, because i'm hoping yes, he has a legitimate grievance with the fiasco in the court system and the legal system but i also hope he stays on message on the border, on economic growth, on inflation, on an america first foreign policy, on law and order for example. the i immigration has spread, become a problem of lawlessness, gianno. i hope he stays on message.

what do you think? >> i think, and you agree with your assessment on laura, our colleague i think border is one of the biggest issues to talk about. we've seen poll after poll what immigration is talking about. i also think as you use immigration he should be speaking to the nation in some of these urban centers like new york and certainly chicago where black voters are so pissed off of what they're seeing in their communities with the migrant and the support they have been giving them over their needs which have been suffering for many, many years, he should be speaking to them because these are potential purple states especially in places like chicago, you get 20% of cook county you get the whole state. in addition to that, prices, what does the consumer price index say? the fact of the matter many can't afford groceries. you have many choosing medicine and getting chicken. these are serious issues, i think donald trump will speak to the kitchen table issues that

many are dealing with right now. larry: doug collins, 20 seconds. fani willis ever try to give you $15,000 in cash? you're from georgia? >> i don't need 20 seconds on that one. that would be a a no for me. larry: it is a cash economy, doug, i thought you knew that? , doug. >> we missed it. larry: no debit cards like in new york. i'm sorry we always run out of time. you guys are great. come back as soon as you can. doug collins, giano caldwell. don'ts miss tonight's town hall, laura ingraham, 7:00 p.m. on fox news. joe biden's u.n. betrayal of israel. we'll talk to israeli special-ops veteran aaron cohen. whatever happened to unconditional surrender? why don't they promote unconditional surrender of hamas? aaron cohen will help us out. i'm kudlow. investment opportunities

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all hostages which will never happen. basically they seem to want to stop israel from cleaning up in southern gaza, particularly the town of rafah and i just ask you whatever happened to unconditional surrender? israel should want unconditional surrender from hamas. why isn't the united states telling hamas to surrender? i don't get any of this, aaron cohen? >> well,. [speaking hebrew] i say in arabic, larry, what i mean by that larry what happened is, is that biden didn't put the required pressure on the united nations in the way he framed this to force hamas to put down their weapons, release the hostages and depopulate from those populated areas, stop fighting from those areas and now what israel is preparing to do is get that leverage back which we talked about for months and what we saw in the north of

gaza is going to be even worse than the south of gaza. when israel goes in there, it is about 15,000 hamas terrorists, militants waiting in there, six battalions to put it into perspective. israel will go in there, it will be a bloodbath, but israel is tired of getting pushed around, tired of pushed around by biden and pushed around by blinken and entire administration. israel has gotten tote point no one will tell us hue to self-determine. this goes back to gelda in the '70s. self-determination is israel's right. nobody can dictate that. bebe knows that. that is what we'll see right now. they have got some leverage. -- just flew to egypt. they let him, not let any palestinians in. makes no sense to me. larry: biden's hero, fdr, insisted on unconditional surrender of the nazis and the japanese in world war ii. i don't know why he won't apply that to israel, fighting for its life? >> agreed. agreed.

i think that, i think what you're going to see a lot of violence in the south here. larry i'm with you 100%. larry: all right

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