investment we like this. now it is not cheap at 31 times earnings but they're monetizing the chatgpt. they have the ability from multiple levels to make money to be the future. again it is not a cheap company but we think the earnings growth is tremendous and it continues. liz: we have 10 techs, 10 seconds thanks to my compatriot charlie gasparino. how many fed rought cuts do you see this year. >> one or two. in the fourth quarter. liz: you're like us at "the claman countdown," we do not think it is three. here we go the closing bells cue them. [closing bell rings] s&p and that nasdaq up here. eking out modest gains. evercore isi head of research mark mahaney joins us. we're talking tech and more. larry: hello, folks, welcome to

"kudlow," i'm larry kudlow. 64% of americans think taxes are too damn high. of course they are. they are right and tragically joe biden wants to keep on raising them. plus the bidens are so inept they can't even get their own irs to at at attack rich people. ha, ha, vivek ramaswamy will talk about all that. they want to spend 50,000 for green army climate corps. that will be a mail in harvesting ballot corps. we'll ask dougburg ham about that. john hagerty and "breitbart"'s john carney. why mr. donald trump is actually a free trader. think of that. tammy bruce and rich lowery selling bibles not only godly but patriotic as well. but first up, speaking of the

material things in life, 64% of americans say their taxes are too damn high. i agree. our own grady trimble is live in d.c. with even more tax burdens. good afternoon, grady. >> reporter: good afternoon, larry. it is an interesting poll, because on the one hand americans say they are being overtaxed but on the other hand they want more help from the government. here are the numbers from the latest "fox news poll." almost 2/3 of voters, 64% say, yes, their taxes are too damn high. that is the highest number our pollsters since they started asking this question way back in 2004. only 2%, in case you're wondering their taxes are too low. they apparently want to pay more. while most voters want lower taxes about half at the same time they want the government to lend them a hand versus leave them alone. that number ticked up during the pandemic and it stayed higher compared to pre-covid times.

even though americans are tax weary, tax policy is coming up a lot on the campaign trail. two very different visions. president biden wants wealthy people and corporations to pay more. president trump says that would be catastrophic. >> if biden is reelected is he promising to impose a six trillion dollar tax hike will turn literally the destroy economy, will destroy the u.s. economy. i never heard of a guy campaigning where he wants to raise taxes. >> you talk about the debt, he exploded it more than any other president in four-year term with the two trillion dollar tax cut overwhelmingly benefited very wealthy and biggest corporations in america. >> reporter: but look at this from "the wall street journal" editorial board. it says the irs's most wanted, middle-class americans. it cites a report from the treasury inspector general for tax administration saying 63% of new audits targeted taxpayers

with income of less than $200,000 a year. larry? larry: they can't even get that right, they just can't get anything right. thank you, grady trimble, we appreciate it. all right, folks, couple thoughts from my side. 64% or nearly 2/3s of voters say their taxes are too high. that is a record complaint as grady trimble just reported and no surprise because all joe biden does is run around the country at every stop, telling folks he is going to raise taxes, corporate, taxes individual taxes, capital gains, small businesses if it moves he wants to tax it more. now here's the catch. he always tells us he is only going to tax rich people. he talks about billionaires for starters. but then he caveats, if you make 100 million you qualify as a billionaire that qualifies for biden math. his promise only taxes people making over $400,000, is phony.

look at the fine print of any of his legislative tax hike proposals. if mr. biden were ever reelected his manic tax hike policies would decimate the economy. one reason the economy hasn't been decimated so far is despite biden's untruthful rhetoric, the successful trump tax cuts have not been repealed. and the biggest tax benefits under the trump tax cuts were, the middle and lower incomes. study after study has shown that. folks know, when ever politicians, particularly left-wing politicians especially big government socialist politicians, whenever they talk about tax cuts only for the rich, middle income folks know what a lie that is and how their tax ox will be gourd at least as much, if not way more than the wealthiest. by the way, just for the heck of it, the truth is, the top 1% already pay about half of the

federal income tax. however the payroll tax, which supports medicare and social security is largely shouldered by the middle class, and that is why donald trump is taking a preliminary look at some middle class payroll tax relief. meanwhile, if you look at biden's most recent budget, the tax revenue share of gdp goes from 16.5% last year in 2023 all the way up to 20.3% at the end of the budget window in 2034. that would be a record, record high. that's one massive tax hike, to support biden's massive big government spending plans. and those spending plans come with unbelievable regulatory strings attached to them that will throw a lot of sand in our economic gears. meanwhile, remember the irs story from the misnamed

inflation reduction act? the irs would spend $80 billion in order to hire 87,000 new irs agents, but the treasury inspector general for tax administration shows that 63% of the new audits last year were aimed at the middle class, with incomes of less than $200,000, according to "the wall street journal" editorial today, and, instead of hiring 3700 new agents in one year, for this dumb plan, it turns out the irs has only hired 34 and in the first six months. 34. they're chasing after the middle class. how is that for big government efficiency? and, they get great benefits including a salary of 125 grand a year, and, $60,000 in student loan forgiveness. of course. student loan forgiveness.

even though the supremes said that is illegal. wait a minute, didn't i just see that provision someplace else? oh, wait a second, hold on, here it is. joe biden's domestic green army climate corporation, spending eight billion dollars for 50,000 new people. no, no, these will be new rabid green new deal climate activists won't they? hang on, these little public service climateers, will get benefits for housing, transportation, health care, child care, and, wait a minute, hang on just a minute more, you guessed it, student loan forgiveness. i just knew it with a little dei as a side order of fries. yep that is what biden's gunning for. here is my bottom line, what you got here is the potential for

50,000 little climateers who really will be 50,000 democratic mail-in ballot activists will be harvesting their little green new deal as fast as often as they possibly can. this is even better than zuck-a-bucks. it is a whole lot more crooked when uncle sam's big government socialists are in charge. just a few modest opinions on my side. all right. now comes the fun part, joining us now the great vivek ramaswamy, former 2024 presidential candidate, cofounder of strive asset management and author of "nation of victims." identity politics, the death of merit and the path back to excellence. vivek welcome back as always. you know i leave to talk issues with you. talk about this eight billion dollars and 50,000 person climate corporation which gets fabulous benefits and of course student loan cancellations have to be one of the fabulous

benefits for everybody in the program, especially since the supreme court ruled to that be unconstitutional. vivek, think i you're looking at a army of mail-in ballot harvesters. what does vivek ramaswamy think about the climate corporation? >> look i think the climate corporation is based on a false premise there is no climate emergency in the united states or around the world. larry, you get me started on this, you have to be careful. we have eight times as many people dying of cold temperatures rather than warm ones in the united states and around the world. you have actually an earth relative low of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, relative to most points in human history and carbon dioxide is plant food. which is why the earth is covered by more green surface area today than it was a century ago. for every 100 people that died in the 1920s of a climate related disaster, you know how many die today? the answer is two. the reason why is advances powered by fossil fuels.

so this climate change agenda is absolutely a hoax because it has nothing to do with the climate and everything to do with greater dominion and control of the government and also china is laughing every step of the way as the very people who want to call for climate corporation volunteers and soldiers here in the united states, shifting their carbon emissions to places like china where they're not saying a peep. so that why this agenda is anti-american at its corporation. that is the problem when you have tax dollars flying into washington, d.c. not only does that shrink the economy because americans have less money to spend out of their own pockets, that washington, d.c., starts to spending tax dollars on regulatory agendas that impede the economy twice over. it is a double-whammy. we need to put an end to all of this nonsense. larry: if trump wins he will zero this thing out. he will impound it right away, but, but, am i too cynical? you launch this climate corporation, 50,000 people with all kinds of benefits including student loan cancellations, come on, these guys will be ace

mail-in ballot harvesters. it es better than zuck-a-bucks. as a matter of fact it is a zuck-a-bucks on a grand federal scale, vivek. >> so look i think, i don't think you're being too cynical. if you want to be a step further cynical here is what you want to look at. a lot of biden policies are towards what maximizes chance of re-election of biden this fall. that is the big reason we're not seeing deportations in this country. these are potential long run voters for democrats. these are soft border policies. this is not a wild theory. democrats themselves were saying the same thing. lose border policies, lax immigration policies are a big way for democrats to secure lasting electoral majorities. you want to know what somebody behaves, what policies they support as a policy, look at their incentives. their incentives to win elections are tied to so many things they're doing today that are still destructive for america as we know it.

larry: vivek, speaking of deportations, mr. trump spoke yesterday in grand rapids michigan. we have some sound on that very subject. please take a listen. >> when i'm president, instead of asking you to cram illegal aliens into your homes i will tell you that the illegal alien trespassers they must go back to their homes. they have to go back because no country, no country can with stabbed this invasion. it is wrecking our civilization. it is destroying our country. day one i will seal the border. we'll begin the largest domestic deportation operation in the history of our country. larry: largest domestic deportation operation in the history of our country. i mean vivek, for all i know you could be the secretary of homeland security. i mean you are qualified for it. you've been in business. you have a great track record. what do you make of his pledge, the largest domestic deportation operation in history? >> i think it is common sense.

if you have had the largest mass illegal migration into this country in american history, then it stands to reason larry we require the largest mass deportation in american history as well this is not novel. we had mass deportations under president eisenhower. they will work. i think they will work in president trump's second term as well. the trap the media somehow led the public to believe, we explain the public going on this is not compassion, it is cruelty to americans, it is cruelty to many hispanic communities in america who came legally into this country, who are suffering the scourge of crime, other effects of that illegal mass migration. people in inner cities are suffering, black, white, brown, everything in between, democrat and republican included. the south side of chicago converting local high schools into encampments of. it is not the ruled of law. i think this is cruel.

it is this is cam passion follow. end incentives for here to be illegally. stop funding sanctuary cities. stop funding central america until they stop the northward flow of migrant. this is not a climate military, it isn't a climate corps. putting our own military on our own southern border. that is how we president of an end to the border crisis. the mass deportations are the wrong thing to do for americans and we're on the right side of history. larry: got i, got it. anyone keeping track, latest "fox poll" 2/3 of americans believe they are overtaxed. mr. biden, he always says he will tax rich people, middle class people here, politicians say that they guard their wallets, they know they pay the bulk of taxes. are americans overtaxed, vivek, what should we be doing about it? >> i think we need to make the trump tax cuts permanent as a starting point. the reality is on one hand you

could stimulate the economy by putting more money in peoples pockets, something we're failing to do under biden. i think we have to go one step further with respect to making sure hard-working americans have more money they earn actually flow into their pockets so they can spend it. the other thing when you have more of that money flow into the washington bureaucracy, it feeds the very regulatory state that is impeding entrepreneurs and small businesses from creating value. i look at it in reverse, larry. we need too slash and burn much of that federal bureaucracy. downsize the size of federal government and federal bureaucracy. you need a smaller tax base to actually pay for it. the other thing that needs to be done reduce the complexity of the tax code. people have no idea what sort of subsidies or deductions are baked in. simplify the tax code, bring down the rates, broadest possible base, broadest possible rate, that is how you stimulate the economy that is the fair and just system pro-american way for us to embrace excellence instead

of apologizing for it. larry: vivek, well-put. i love that simplyification, broaden the base, shrink the rate. lower the rates themselves. art laffer whom you know always talks about how if you had that kind of tax reform, it's flat tax oriented reform. may not be a pure flat tax. lowering the rates, simplifying the code, reducing brackets. anyway, the point is it would reduce tax avoidance and in so doing -- >> yes. larry: would reap a revenue windfall. this was the basis of the laffer curve, vivek. give you the last word on that one. >> even for those democrat friends on the other side of the aisle it reduces effect of crony capitalism. people talk about corporations not paying their fair share. there is no tax code to gain if

you simplify the tax code, broaden the base and lower the rate. it is the fairest system for competition in america. allows anyone to achieve the maximum of their potential and economic success with their own hard work and dedication. that is what america is founded on. the reason we want low tax rates in this country is not just to stimulate the economy but it is an expression who we are as americans. keep in mind remember the boston tea party, they started that party for a reason. we have to remember that spirit today as we look to stimulate your economy today as well. larry: i know, vivek, i'm so

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larry: okay, the price of west texas crude oil recently from under 70 bucks a barrel to presently over $85 and brent crude, european crude is about 90 bucks, up $20 in the past couple months. so one question is, how high are oil prices going to go and why are they going there? for more on this we welcome back governor dug burr doug burr oil and gas state of north dakota. we always love having you on. you produce a fair piece of it in your home state. what's driving them up and how far do you think they're going to go? >> well, larry, part of the reason oil prices are going up is because the markets understand it just the way consumers that are putting gas in their tank understand that the biden administration has got a full-on assault on liquid fuels in the u.s., not just on

oil and gas but ethanol and biofuels. when you were trying to shut down the u.s. energy industry, take out what could be the world's largest producer of liquid fuels, take that out of the marketplace through government red tape and action of course the markets are going to go up. under president trump it was the opposite, we were supporting this industry. not just because it is great for america, it is great for global stability and god for peace. biden's energy policies are emboldening iran, russia, our enemies. it makes no sense at any level. larry: bidens say gee whiz, we had a lot of oil production, in last december, they got up to 13.3 million barrels a day, but, but, as you well know, pre-pandemic in late 2019, early 2020, under the trump policies we were producing 13.1 million barrels a day. my point, in four years, sir, we

have not increased production. we should be at 14, 15 million barrels a day, maybe more instead of holding at 13 million. that is because they have taken as many leases off as they can. they have ruled as much land in alaska and new mexico and else already off limits as much as they can. you know this story better than i do. we should be producing vastly more when trump says drill, baby, drill. that would lower energy prices that would lower the whole inflation rate because energy permeates the entire economy. >> absolutely, larry, it has taken four years to get us back where we were before. with the red tape being piled on, in north dakota we're fighting 27 different "biden rule" making efforts, any one which could have a serious downturn effect both on oil and gas production and baseload electricity. biden alternative we'll have every car be an electric car, you saw the results came out.

electric cars are selling less than 3% growth rate. a year ago they were 50%. evs have not slowed down like the headlines are saying they have hit a complete wall. larry: the other thing, you know, if more people bought electric vehicles we have to have a lot more electricity. bidens, goof newsom, dear friend in california, shutting down electricity best they can. i don't know how they get past that dylanma. you were mentionerring, i believe you mentioned iran and china before. russia before that. >> yes. larry: as you know, sir president biden just talked to president xi xinping on the phone, telephone call and my question is, nobody can give me an answer, probably it is never raised. larry: china, we, the united states not saying anything at least publicly if anything privately, china is financing two wars against the united states by buying russian oil,

you're not supposed to because it is sanctioned, by buying iranian oil, you're not supposed to because that is sanctioned. we're allowing china. we don't make a public stink about it. we don't raise their tariffs, we don't punish them in any way or take actions. they are financing two wars against the united states. why doesn't this administration do something about that? >> well i don't know that they are going to, larry. why this election in november makes such a difference, with biden's weakness, iran, russia, venezuela, as you mentioned china, china is filling their strategic petroleum reserve with discount oil, biden sanctions turned russia into china's discount gas station and they're filling theirs. at the same time biden drained ours before the midterms. he turned the strategic petroleum reserve into the political petroleum reserve by draining it. they announced they won't refill it again because prices are too high. at the same time he is canceling by fiat the building of lng

export facilities everybody in western europe we would be thrilled if we were building those. russia, the kremlin, they're celebrating when he put that word in. it is not only, not only that he is not sanctioning china, it is like his energy policy was designed to help china and help russia. larry: just talking about that, some numbers, i'm sure you're aware of it, january of 2021, beginning of mr. biden's term, the strategic petroleum reserve reserve had 640 million barrels in, 640 million. today as of the most recent month, which would be january of 2024 it was all the way down to 363 million. that's about a 50% cut, just a little less than halfway cut and they're not doing to refill it. okay. so they missed their window when oil went down to 65 or 70. now it is back to 85 or 90, could be going higher. they have wrecked a national security and energy security

method. >> well, absolutely. we know that, you can go back to world war ii. wars are won and lost who is controlling the energy. this isn't just about our price at the pump. that matters because biden's policies are driving inflation for every american. as you said, raises the cost of food, raises the cost of everything. raises the cost of your electricity. so their inflation is killing everybody but strategically as we head into this world of conflict created by biden, and all of his weakness, it again, iran, largest funder of terrorism in the world. then they're providing drones to russia. we have all of the people that are exporting energy, are supporting our adversaries. why we need donald trump back in the white house, when america's strong, we have strong leadership, we've got a smart energy policy we sell energy to our friends and allies, stop buying it from our adversaries, stop having our allies buy it from tear adversaries we stop that, the world is a safer

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and guess what else? donald trump may actually be a free trader so put that in your pipe and smoke it. ha, ha. let's talk about it with tennessee senator bill hagerty, former u.s. ambassador to japan, and a member of our china trade group under mr. trump and john carney, "breitbart" economics editor, coauthor of the "breitbart business digest." gentlemen, welcome to both of you. john carney, i will start with you just because you wrote this great piece march 28th, a couple days ago, we talked about it on the radio, tariff armageddon is back. mostly people on the left, some on the right you could have cited are not, tariffs are the end of the world, cause inflation, cause consumer declines, destroy the economy. mr. trump using tariffs as a important negotiating tool against china. i'm a free trader but i completely supported the china

trade effort. we had work to do with their unfair trade practices, stealing intellectual property, forcing technology transfers. the end of the economic world did not come. did not come. i don't know whether we succeeded with china to the extent we wanted to but inflation was tiny, rock bottom, let's start there. >> right. they said right from the beginning they said this will cause inflation it will drive up the price of cars, it will drive up the price of televisions. it didn't happen at all. we had almost no inflation throughout the trump years. in particular we had no inflation on the very things that tariffs were placed on. the idea that consumers wail pay more, they're bringing that back again. their old record didn't work the first time. they're going to try it again. it will not work again. i think one of the most important things president trump used to say a lot was the word reciprocity. larry: there you go. that is the key. >> if you are fair with us we'll be fair with you. but when you put up trade

barriers for the united states then we're going to put them up against you. you have to do that. if you play the sucker at the card table, everybody is going to cheat you. that's the role that the united states has been put in. donald trump started to change that and hopefully he will get a chance to change it again. larry: senator hagerty, you were an integral of part of that china trade team in washington, beijing and your own tokyo. you heard trump talk about reciprocity. that is the key. >> it solves so many problems. think about people complaining about the chinese buying land here in america. would we be able to do that in china? larry: right. >> reciprocity would solve the problem. if you think about it, we have the largest economy in the world. we have the lowest trade tariff barriers. larry: right. >> we should use our economy as tool of leverage. we should seek reciprocity at every turn and we don't have it. if you go back to the world war ii, think of advantageous trade terms following war.

we should have capped it in term of time, gdp per capita measure but we're in a situation today where many countries i should say have much more advantageous trade set than we do. larry: when china entered the wto, world trade organization in 2000 we give them to a license to cheat and steal second largest economy in the world, were allowed to have higher tariffs, more non-tariff barriers around nobody could do anything about it. there was no ajudication in the wto. that is the way the damn thing was set up. the united states and other western corntries signed on to that. trump said no. he said no. reciprocity works two-ways, right, let's assume in the case of japan, we had a small trade deal with japan. japan lowered some barriers and

we did too. the barrier can work that way. some other companies wouldn't name any names, germany for example, has terrible trade barriers on automobiles, terrible. we should treat their cars the way they treat our cars, with higher tariffs. that is reciprocity. what is wrong with that. nothing wrong with that. the you can sell a car from america to germany encountering a 10% tariff. they can sell the car here, two, 2 1/2%. that is not reciprocal. that is exactly what president trump was aiming at is delivering reciprocal fair terms. every american can understand that. i think our counterparties should understand that too. larry: john, you know what else? away from the trade game, mr. trump was a good negotiator, never gets credit for it from his critics, but go back, back to the border with mexico. mexico would not help us in 2018, 2019, until trump said, you won't help us, i will put

100% tariff on your manufacturers and auto exports. suddenly they saw the light. the lord shined down on them. they put 25,000 troops at the border, adopted our "remain in mexico." now that was tariff negotiating. what is wrong with that? >> we built the greatest economy in the world in the night. we can use that power to make the world a better place. we can say to, whether it is our trade partners about their trade barriers, whether it is other countries about policies that we have we don't like, like you're saying mexico's attitude towards migrants we can say look, we need your help on this. you want to sell things into the united states. we'll charge you a cover charge and that cover charge can be a tariff or it can be you complying with the policy goals that we have in your neighborhood. when they won't do this, then we need to say, okay, look, this isn't a free ride. you don't get tree access to the u.s. markets. larry: that's exactly right. i heard trump say it many times,

i wrote several op-ed pieces on the eve of the g7 and the g 20 which the president saw and signed off on, where i said, basically, he is a free trader who wants to see a world of zero tariffs, zero non-tariff barriers, and zero subsidies. that's his ideal vision of free trade. >> i so remember that larry. three zeros. larry: i just love that. he wrote it up. he signed off on that. it drove lighthizer a little bit crazy. we love lighthizer but the point is trump would use tariffs in order to get to that world. i think that is a good definition of free trade. >> i also think this we can't forget we have huge competitive advantage to the size of our market. access to the u.s. market is a great leverage point for us as well. tariffs is a means of controlling that but also a means of achieving that.

if you think about the other tools, other market access tools other nations use with their regulatory construct, et cetera, et cetera, we need to look at reciprocity again to use the term president trump so aptly used we need to look at reciprocity at every level. larry: i had the european side, what a mess, what a mess. just saying. if you think china was bad. i'm running out of time. jay powell, our hero spoke today. two things that came out of there, want you to just give us a snappy comment. number one, i didn't hear anything new about lower interest rates and number two, i liked he said this once before a few years ago, the job of the fed is not climate change. >> that's right. larry: now do i have that right? >> no, that's right. he really put the foot down on this idea that the federal reserve should be a climate cop and start policing everybody about whether they're doing what the left wants them to do on climate change. we're not going to do that. we're not going to do it for a very good reason. one, it is not our job.

if it became our job, we would lose fed independence because we would then become a political body. he doesn't want that to happen. he is defending the fed. defending their independence. as you said on interest rates he said something very important, that a lot went over a lot of peoples head, he said we need to see numbers that are better than what we had in january and february. what he is communicating, the numbers we are having in don't mean they're going to cut. that gives you a baseline. s in the economy starts to sag the fed is not cutting. larry: you and i keeping option, summers called it a northern zero probability the next rate will be higher. >> absolutely. bill hagerty, finish this up, with a durable economy, inflation above target, if the fed were to cut-rates now they would be accused of goosing the economy -- >> exactly. partisanship to try to insure this current administration stays in power. i think it is a very precarious

position to be in. they have to remain data driven as they have said. chair powell has held the line at his most recent conference. larry: sounds like he had a good day today. >> a very good day. rafael bostic said no cut until the fourth quarter. that means, november, december. larry: after the election. >> after the election, yes. larry: waller is in the camp. very good judge. senator hagerty, always a pleasure, thanks so much to both of you. coming up here on "kudlow," tammy bruce, rich lowery, why selling bibles is not only godly but it is patriotic as well. stick with "kudlow." you will love this. ♪

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version trump endorsed is a very american book. in fact the american book. >> yeah, absolutely. might be the ship's carpenter on the mayflower brought the first copy to our shores. that is only thing showed up in wills very early on in america. often time the only book people owned. once the printing press got going, market got going, millions and millions moved. wouldn't have william faulkner without the king james bible. martin luther king without the king james bible. it infuses literature. it is american book. larry: the left are crazed about this. >> god forbid, pun intended. they don't want anything -- you know, big government, they want to be the thing that you look to, right? that is the entire issue with socialism. that they are god. if you have something separate and outside of the infrastructure that you look to regarding values and the future, then the power and grip the government has on you is lost

because it's christ or it is your faith, something beyond government, that's what they cannot stand. in addition to that, president trump selling a bible is kind of a regular guy thing to be doing. it is, it is not presidential, right? you've got the sons or brothers to do the selling of things. this is what trump does. it takes him into peoples kitchens, into their living rooms, while the left is sitting up on the highest mountain in the world looking down on all of the hoi, donald trump reaching in, being himself, being able to relate to the average person. >> a lot of these specialty bibles, patriotic bibles, hunter's bibles, i have a idea for you, larry, supply-sider bible, you, art laffer, steve moore, edit that sucker,. larry: show the supply side aspects of the bible. open on it tonight, i'm on it tonight. >> when you mention king and

faulkner, william shakespeare set the tone of all the dramas, set theater of all novels, theater, nonfiction, great romance stories and murder everything else, it is not shakespeare, the bible itself. the bible informed shakespeare. it is the thing that informs all of our story telling regardless of your faith. a great book, best-selling book. larry: of all time. i think it is the best-selling book of all time. >> yeah. larry: tammy bruce, trump beats out biden in six much seven swing states. this is the "wall street journal" poll just out. arizona, georgia, michigan, north carolina, nevada, only one, biden ties in wisconsin. >> wisconsin is little rough. larry: do we believe these numbers? >> these numbers. we don't like the polls. we talked about this, here is what you take from this, after years of condemning donald trump, as the second coming of satan, after the

indictments and the arrests and the mar-a-lago thing and everyone said he is white supremacist, terrorist, he is not the only one headed, neck-and-neck with the incumbent he is leading. that, it is trend of that -- larry: remarkable. >> when we think we can't trust it, maybe it is unbelievable, i do not think so. that's the signal. it is not noise, about american people saying we've seen what you're doing, we see you, and we don't like it. this is what we're going to do. larry: rich lowery, this is almost a bub lick call story, in all seriousness this comeback. give you the last word. >> what we're looking at in the poll, trump's retroactive approval rating is higher than biden es. >> yes. >> can tell us about him, we think he did a better job. win georgia, very plausible, arizona, latino things, he needs, one of those, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania where he is running closer ahead. larry: he will get it, it is in

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