he, and when he is 70 and it would be a really good run if, what's, with jpmorgan is right now, fast forward in two years, one of the best runs i've seen out of a ceo because a lot of these guys leave with their shirt hanging out their pants. back to you. ashley: we'll have to leave it right there, charlie on that particular point. nicely finished. let's take a look at these markets as we head into the closing bell. s&p doesn't look like it will squeak out another record close. but the, and the dow is off 209 points. what about the nasdaq? [closing bell rings] it is up 209 points. they're cheering that would be the ninth record chose of the year. whew, what a day. that will do it now for "the claman countdown." larry kudlow coming up next. ♪. larry: hello, folks, welcome to "kudlow," i'm larry kudlow.

all right let's get right to our top story today. alvin bragg's star witness michael cohen is not only a liar but he is a thief and embezzler from the trump organization. our own lydia hu has the latest from the new york state supreme court, downtown new york city. lydia, what can you tell us? >> reporter: hi, there, larry i just stepped outside of the courtroom. as we near the finish line of this time it is getting tense. objections from both sides, intense debate and arguments over evidentiary matters which are really important because they determine what information the jury will hear in the final days of this trial. the prosecution rested its case within the past hour. the defense was able to call their first witnesses. one of them being a witness that was used to document some of the phone calls that have been exchanged. most importantly their second witness is now attorney robert costello. we know him as the one-time

legal advisor to michael cohen and costello, i'm getting notes from our producers who are inside the courtroom, just importantly testified on the stand that michael cohen said numerous times, that president trump knew nothing about the payments to stormy daniels. he said this numerous times, he being michael cohen. that is really important because that is inconsistent with what michael cohen has now testified before the same jury, whereas michael cohen told this jury in his own words that president trump knew of the payments to stormy daniels and approved them. the question is he lying then, is he lying now? i can tell you after four days of testimony of michael cohen both on direct and cross-examination, michael cohen's creditability has been left in tatters. the most recent example emerging this morning in a bombshell moment where michael cohen admitted himself to stealing from the trump organization.

and the way he explained he did that was by leeding the trump organization into believing he was owed more money, tens of thousands of dollars more in reimbursements than what he was actually entitled to. if my math is correct, he stole he admitted to roughly $60,000 from the trump organization, a pretty big revelation coming from the disbarred attorney at the time representing the trump organization was supposed to be acting for his clients at foremost interest in the forefront of decision making. we're moving forward, with, excuse me with the defense's case in chief. as i said we have bob costello. the judge said moments ago, earlier today, move forward through the end of this week we can expect closing arguments to be next week. larry, that tells us we can expect this case to last over the holiday weekend into next week. but it seems like we're nearing the finish line, larry. larry: wow, great reporting lydia. thank you ever so much we

appreciate it. folks we'll have much more on this with former prosecutor andy mccarthy later in the show but first another topic, joe biden is trying to buy the election by pumping green money no one wants into the swing states. that's a subject of tonight's riff. three biden bills for a total of $15.4 billion in government spending, mostly for green energy being injected in states like arizona, pennsylvania, michigan and elsewhere. the biggest chunk comes from the misnamed inflation reduction act which really should simply be called the inflation act but a recently-conducted nationwide poll, a kudlow tpp poll of 1400 americans shows that 54% oppose the epa mandate for electric vehicles by 2032, that would effectively ban gasoline-powered cars, 54% oppose. and then, when consumers are asked about having a choice to

drive gasoline-powered cars if they want to, the survey respondents were overwhelmingly consumer choice by 83%. interestingly from the poll, 77% of democrats, 89% of republicans, 83% of independents say they want to be able to decide for themselves. then the kudlow/tip poll asked biden ev push is blind to consumer demand? a clear majority, 60%, said biden's ev push ignores consumer demand. on the subject of doling out government money to buy the election, 66% agreed that climate was often used as an excuse to favor certain industries or lobbies or interest groups. that's right. the poll also asked how concerned are you about the prospect of increased prices due

to climate mandates, affecting the manufacture of electric vehicles and batteries and charges, and their potential contribution to inflation? the answer to that one is, 74% worry that climate mandates will cause higher inflation. which brings me back to the point of joe biden doling out money to buy the election. he is borrowing a page from franklin roosevelt in the 1930s whose political strategy was spend and spend, tax and tax, elect and elect. but that was a long time ago and by the way it helped ruin the economy. but today with joe biden, he is trying to spend an amazing total of $1.6 trillion that were obligated by congress but not yet spent. that is hell of a task with six months remaining before the election but biden will try it

anyway. including student loan cancellations which might exceed 500 billion and already been ruled illegal by the supreme court. joe biden is the biggest spender of all time. he generated the worst inflation over 40 years which in turn made it unaffordable for working folks to live in the biden economy. real income after taxes, in other words, take-home pay is the worst perform under joe biden since world war ii. so joe biden's ev push is driving a square peg into a round hole. people who are worried about the cost of living, energy, consumer goods, for biden a spend and spend strategy will spell lose and lose in november and that is the riff. now, let's switch gears again, and turn to edward lawrence who is not at the trial. he is live at the white house with the latest failures of "bidenomics." edward you're not on trial.

tell us what you got though. >> reporter: it is a trial every day as we work here, larry. going to your riff, president joe biden has an image problem but he also has a spending problem as you talked about. the president is losing ground with minority voters, certain blocks of minority voters. when you look nationally, head-to-head competition with former president trump, president trump wins that seven of the past months. five of months are on the screen. within the margin of error but the lead to former president trump in all of those polls. this is why we've seen president biden on the campaign trail in battleground states trying to re-energize his base, speaking in many cases directly to minority voters. president biden: my name's joe biden and i'm a lifetime member of the naacp. >> all right. president biden: as a matter of fact the first organization i ever joined was the naacp. >> reporter: so new "fox news" polling shows when it comes to the economy by far people trust

former president trump. new white house messaging shows the president backing, back to blaming companies for inflation saying in a memo obtained by fox business this, quote, as major corporations, many seeing recovered profits overcharged the american people in some cases, keeping prices elevated despite inflation falling. now pollsters say the people are feeling two different economies and one of them is severely impacting the low and, moderate income families. listen. >> this sector of the economy for average people who are working you know, hourly jobs, they are the ones that are suffering, they are the ones can't afford to bananas anymore and can't buy milk. that is the crowd disproportionately african-american and hispanic and no doubt they were better off four years ago than now. >> reporter: that is the question. american's network adjusted for

inflation .7%. at same time under former president trump net worth went up 16%. people felt more wealthy under the former president. larry? larry: that is a key metric. that one, edward lawrence thank you, terrific stuff, we appreciate it. folks for more on this we have i don't joan carney, "breitbart business digest, liz peek, syndicated columnist and fox news contributor. just as a starting point i want to get to this net worth thing in a second to try to explain it. liz peek, i'm going to say people don't want the extra spending. they see what he's up to, they see what the results have been on inflation and how hard it is to live in the biden economy which is unaffordable. he is doing old time religion to buy votes. i don't think people want the old time religion? >> i think it is actually very encouraging on very early in the administration after they passed

that horrendous $1.9 trillion american rescue act, inflation four months later started to act accelerate. people connected the dots. pushing all the money into the economy, there were supply chain problems, on what you could deliver people, prices went up. it is heartening people did connect the dots and blamed president biden for spending all that money and driving prices higher. i would add to your riff just this, it isn't just evs. it is also about how we're going to get power in the future. electricity prices in this country have always been benign, never gone up very quickly, now they are, because you're forcing so much electrification on an economy not ready for it demanding renewables all this stuff. this is badly planned, badly executed. it is really hurting americans. larry: i have a answer to the electricity part, second riff, drill, baby, drill.

drill, baby, drill. it is not so hard. john carney, this memo edward lawrence referred to, which came from the press office, andrew bates, they blame business for inflation. business is to blame for evil greedy, raising prices, not paying their fair share of taxes, generally being bad citizens. >> you know they had to write that in a memo because they can't say it with a straight face. it is just not true. this idea there was green surge that happened when biden got elected. if that is true, we should vote him out of office. he made everybody greedier. that is not true. larry: this is such, i don't mean to interrupt, here, standing up, this is the biden approach. stand up to corporate price gouging, which is at the core of the inflation fight. major corporations are seeing record profits, that's a dirty word, two curse words, overchanged the american people, keep prices elevated and, and,

charging abuses and junk fees like airline baggage and stuff like that. is that really it? is nothing to do with what liz says, nothing to do with spending money, nothing to do with any of that pump priming by the fed? all about evil greedy corporations not paying their fair share, john? >> i think they're getting it wrong when they think people are against profits. the american people are not. oh, no, people are making profits. they say great, the economy must not be doing that badly. there is a contradiction in there. they're raising prices even they inflation is falling. guess what, you can't be raising prices while inflation is falling. that means inflation is going up. what we saw the beginning of this year inflation stopped going down, started going up again. that is the thing they're most worried about. larry: put the full screen chart on the household net worth, adjusted for inflation. it is very revealing chart. the red line is, what, the red line is trump and the blue line

is biden. okay. what is it? household net worth, which is about $160 trillion, very, very big number, everyone participates in it. it is all assets what you own. it is stocks, bonds, money in your bank account, treasury securities -- >> housing. larry: it's your home. all that minus your liabilities or your debt. now when you adjust foreinflation you see during the trump years, that red line, plus 16%, very handsome real gain in household net wealth. the biden line is flat, zero. the number is 0.7%. liz that goes with the other problem, real disposable income, income less taxs and inflation, reagan used to call it take-home pay with great success, that is also basically flat-lined during the biden years, having gone up by 12 percentage points during the trump years. so spend and spend, tax and tax,

may not elect and elect, i guess that is the moral of my story. >> there isn't a single economic indicator that is better and biden than was under trump. that's really the bottom line. they would say yes, job creation is better, because they include in trump's numbers the collapse of economy, shutting down the economy under covid. if you look at december 2019 trump wins on that one too. there is absolutely no economic rationale for preferring biden over trump. it just doesn't exist. larry: joan, you are talking about the rise of inflation, rerise of inflation this year and you're right. cpi is up 4% annually the first four months. we got some charts, all these commodities are booming, gold, copper, silver comes to mind. i think we have some full screen charts for them. there they come. there is the overall crb index. got the gold chart? gold just broke through $2400 an

ounce, gold, gold is coming. while we wait for gold, we may wait for a long time, no, here it comes. look at that gold chart. what is this all about? by the way there is copper chart too. what is happening here? >> this would have happened last year. biden lucked out, this commodities inflation we're seeing right now was delayed because china's economy was doing so poorly. that brings down demand for copper. it brings down demand for oil. the other thing that happened they held down oil prices by basically turning a blind eye to venezuelan oil getting past the sanctions, russian oil getting past the sanctions, iranian oil gets past sanctions. we'll not pay attention to that because we want to reelect biden. they politicized sanctions. there is no more oil coming out of iran. they're tapped out. not getting more out of russia. they're maximizing production. we're seeing commodities inflation this year that tells you inflation isn't going away. larry: does that bleed into the

indexes? >> absolutely. it is going to push up the prices of consumer goods not just this year but next year unfortunately. it will keep going, the entire electrification, all the green new deal stuff creates demand for copperthat keeps pushing up inflation. your poll is right. the american people are right on that. larry: liz, 30 seconds, gavin newsom stomping out gasoline and fossil fuels in california has raised the price of gasoline in california, it is about six dollars, close to it, but also raised the price of gasoline in nevada and arizona, two important swing states. what do you make of that? 20 seconds now. >> republicans have to go in there to explain why that is happening. put the onus on not just gavin newsom but just make it clear joe biden's biden es ape those of gavin newsom and i is doing the same thing nationally. larry: ape those, phraseology, john carney and liz peek.

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control the mike mean. president trump said both should be drug tested before they go on what do you think of this stuff? a mouthful. >> a circus, i think with donald trump the circus never ends. there is always something going on. first of all, the very idea have three people from cnn, both moderator, questioners, all three of whom bitterly, deeply anti-trump, plus joe biden. so the debate stage will be four to one. then they want to rig it having the mic cut off i presume by mike wallace who is clearly anti-biden, i mean anti-trump. and, then, we're supposed to pretend that this is going to be a fair debate? now my personal guess is, that trump will win the debate you know if i were him, every other

answer would be go to the grocery store. i would be very calm. i'm doing a newsletter, gingrich 360 for tomorrow on biden's advertising versus biden's grocery store and the fact is people, i just said, over dinner last night with six friends of ours, everybody who goes grocery shopping knows that joe biden's failure. you can't buy enough advertising to offset the next time people go to the grocery store. so i think that trump will win the debate on facts. he will win the debate on energy and drive and, it will be fascinating to watch because literally will be four to one. very seldom give up these kind of odds. larry: i just think it is interesting, and a political miscalculation but pull out the historian in you again. fdr, biden thinks he is the new fdr. fdr and harry hopkins, spend and

spend, tax and tax, elect and elect. biden thinks spend and spend, he is throwing money left and right. trying to pour climate type money into the swing states, et cetera, et cetera, but newt, i think the people because of your grocery store and cost of living issues related to that, i don't think people want spend and spend. i think spend and spend is a loser? >> we have a project called america's new majority and which you can see at america's new majority project.com. we do polling all the time. it is very clear american people believe big government spending is primary driver of inflation. the american people believe inflation is the great threat to their economic future. they have total contempt for the politics of giveaway, because they have lived through it all. larry: right. >> roosevelt was doing it in the depression. it was brand new.

you well now we've had 90 years of it. actually it further demeans the politicians because it says, you're so stupid you think i can buy your vote and more and more americans are going no. i actually think this is disgusting. as you know i'm the only speaker to have balanced the budget four straight years in your lifetime. i tell you people liked having a balanced budget. people liked having lower taxes. people liked a explosion of entrepreneurial energy creating jobs. they get none of that out of biden. that is why he will be a one-term president. i think he will do dramatically but one of the things that hit me if he already reduced. you've seen this in grocery shopping pay a whole lot more or get a lot smaller products. take cereal, if bide is president four more years you will be dune to buying one bowl of cereal at a time because you won't be able to afford anymore

than that it is crazy stuff. larry: you called it big government socialism three years ago plus, and you were right and we all carried that mantra. i got one more thing for you, take a listen to this. this is joe biden on the campaign trail this weekend, i believe yesterday in detroit, michigan. hang on a second. here it comes. president biden: when i was vice president things were kind of bad during the pandemic and what happened was, barak said to me, go to detroit and help fix it. larry: newt, what is he talking about? he wasn't vice president during the pandemic. none of that is true. and he comes out and says this, i believe he is speaking to the naacp, what is that all about? >> i think it's fair to say the number of connections between joe biden's brain and reality have been shrinking. he always had a bad memory. he always said things that were

nutty but as he has gotten older he has less and less memory of whatever is real and he panders to everybody and you know it is just not true. but, you also know that he hasn't got a clue what he is talking about. larry: yeah. >> i frankly, as a citizen, i find it scary to have a commander-in-chief who is this out of touch with reality and to know the backup is kamala harris? not since, not since buchanan have we had this great a danger in the white house. larry: i don't mean to cut you off but i'm up against a hard break. i think you're right, there is a neurological disconnect that is getting worse and worse. i think he should be drug tested before the debate. bug government socialism thank you so much. coming up michael cohen admits under oath he embezzled from the trump people. we'll talk about that with

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♪. larry: all right, as reported michael cohen has already admitted under oath that he embest selled from the trump organization. embezzled. joining us live from the courthouse in downtown new york. andy mccarthy. fox news contributor, old friend. an did i, thank andy, let's talt this embezzlement. key hen has been ripped apart as a liar 20,000 times but what is this thing all about? >> you know, larry, one of the thing the state keeps trying to do here is suggest that all of the cohen reimbursement was for stormy daniels and there were actually a number of components

to it. there was reimbursement for stormy daniels but also money he laid out for some digital services in connection with polling and there was also a bonus. so with respect to the polling he lays out $50,000 which they, as they say, gross up to 100,000 because they're thinking about the potential taxes implications but it turns out that he didn't take, he didn't pay $50,000 to this outfit red finch. he actually only paid them 20. he pocketed 30. he told the trump people he paid 50 and they doubled it up. so in the end he laid out and got 120,000. pretty good work if you can get it. larry: pretty good work if you can get it. he admitted to this under oaths today? >> yes. but him admitting things under oath is not exactly something you want to take to the bank but that did happen, yes. larry: i will ask you a super

dumb question, if cohen is the prosecution's alvin bragg's, top witness, with respect to altering business records and payments that shouldn't have been paid, even though none of it seems to be illegal, what kind of case do they have left in your judgment? >> well, larry, what they have is the kind of case that the federal prosecutors at my old office, the southern district of new york wouldn't take in the first place and the case that cy vance looked at and wouldn't take and the case himself bragged looked at in 2022 and shut down. only brought it back after trump says he will run for office and after tish james got all the applaud debts from new york progressives after bringing that ridiculous civil fraud case. this is what he you end up with. let me be the first prosecutor ever to indict a former president. larry: there is still no identification of a federal crime? >> there is nothing explicit.

it's clear what he is relying on is federal campaign finance violations and there has been a lot of testimony about that. i think it is actually the worst part of the case. it is worse than allowing the graphic sex testimony from stormy daniels because what he has let in, the judge that is, is that cohen pled guilty to two campaign finance charges and i think he did that because he was trying to sell himself as a cooperating witness to the southern district because he had all these other fraud and tax problems but i think the jury riff has heard that and they may think that the question whether there is actually a federal violation or not has already been settled. in fact that evidence is not admissible against trump. it shouldn't have come into the case. larry: well the federal election committee, commission, looked at this case and didn't bring any objections to it as far as i know so i don't get that.

last one, go ahead, andy. >> larry, no i was going to say your point is very important, because the fec is responsible for civil enforcement which is a lower standard. so even with the lower standard they didn't think they could make the case. so how this ends up in criminal court where they have to prove i had beyond a reasonable doubt is crazy. larry: last one, andy mccarthy, thank you very much for this, i know you're business did i somebody. >> sure. larry: the defense is going to bring robert costello as a witness, former lawyer to michael cohen. costello has also called cohen a lawyer in congressional testimony, what do you make of this? what do you reckon is going to happen here? >> well, costello is testifying as we speak, larry, and what he is doing basically is demolishing what's left of cohen's story about, you know, how he ended up with the lawyers that he ended up with and the

most important thing is, he told costello that, costello said to him, do you have anything on trump we could use to trade with the southern district to try to get sentencing lee enzi, he told them, he said 10 to 20 times, bob i have nothing on trump. larry: well, if there is nothing, okay, i get it. pretty, pretty small beer, pretty weak beer. andy mccarthy, maybe you will come visit us tomorrow down there we appreciate your commentary down there, very, very much. >> thanks so much, larry. larry: you bet. all right, folks we'll switch gears a little bit. we welcome back to the show a friend, wisconsin senator ron johnson. senator johnson, welcome. there is a couple of things here, if you wouldn't mind, but i have some sound from donald trump speaking to the morehouse college commencement -- i'm sorry, joe biden. i meant joe biden.

here is biden at the the at morehouse graduation. take a listen to us. president biden: what is happening in gaza and hamas, attack on israel killing precious lives and holding people hostage. it is humanitarian crisis in gaza. that is why i called for immediate cease-fire, immediate ceasefire to stop the fighting. bring the hostages home. [applause] larry: he actually called for an immediate cease-fire to be permanent cease-fire and, that sounds a lot like stabbing israel in the back and they continue to withhold the heavy artillery including the precision bombs which would actually make the civilian casualties less as israel wipes up hamas. what do you make of this, senator johnson? the graduation speech, the messaging he is sending, what do you think about it? >> well it sounds like joe biden is stabbing israel in the back because he is stabbing israel in

the back. you know, after the horrific attack on october 7th, joe biden said he would completely support israel. now he seems to be the greatest protector of hamas. while he coddles iran by the way. iran loses its leaders and this white house offers condolences, further cot link iran. so again, president biden is pandering to his supporters that also support the palestinians and hamas to win michigan. this is all political. it is further weakening america. it is weakening our ally israel. larry: how long can, how long can biden withhold the money that congress has obligated and appropriated? he essentially is violating the constitution, he is violating the whole process here, how long

can they do that? >> well, larry, you're fully aware this is a lawless administration as was the obama administration. he can do it as long as the courts don't step in to intervene and force him to do something. congress passed the aid package. pretty well explicit they wanted to support israel and now he is withholding that support. so unfortunately our judicial system operates at a snail's pace. so he can get away with this as long as there is no public pressure for him to reverse course. larry: one other one on biden policy, senator johnson, we haven't seen it yet but there is a lot of talk about an executive offered regarding the open border illegal immigration fiasco. now of course biden said earlier he had no authority to do this but apparently they're cooking something up. what i want to get your view, what i gather they're cooking up something that says 4,000 illegals a day which would be about a million 1/2 per year.

that's okay but if you go into four thousand and one, then we're going to close down the border. i find that pollyannaish. i don't believe a word of it but i don't even think it is a good idea if i believed it, what do you think about that and what do the republicans think about this potential executive other? >> well in 2018 the supreme court ruled that the executive has, current law exudes deference to the president in terms of bored -- border and president trump used the executive authority to secure the border. biden used the same exact executive authority to open it up. now i claims he can close it when it hits 400. if he can close it when it hits 4001, he can close it immediately as well. this is all a charade, meant to hide the fact that president biden and his democrat colleagues here in congress want an open border. they caused this problem but now public pressure is starting to build. they're figuring out some way to

achieve political cover. that is what this is all about, politics. larry: senator johnson, we appreciate it. hope you come back soon. >> have a good night. larry: folks, coming up here, the big debate, the big debate. i will ask this question again. donald trump says yes he would be drug tested. why isn't joe biden being subject towed the same standard? there should be a drug test before the debate. that is all i'm saying. we have congressman keith self, ronny jackson who was a great doctor. they will both weigh in on set on "kudlow". ♪. when enamel is gone, you cannot get it back. but you can repair it with pronamel repair. it penetrates deep into the tooth to actively repair acid weakened enamel. i recommend pronamel repair. with new pronamel repair mouthwash you can enhance that repair beyond brushing. they work great together.

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you say that he has this conviction. he is going to bust trump. what was the tip-off to you? what happened in there that made you think, you know what, this is just as bad as i thought it was going to be? >> how he responded to and to the defense. immediately for the prosecution he let them do whatever they want to do. he let the defense have no defense. that was very obvious. larry: you saw cohen lying on the stand about the embezzle meant? >> admits it, he admithe stole, he admits he lied. what credibility does he have? he frankly said, this is in his testimony, revenge against trump is best served cold. that is from his words today. larry: all right, interesting. dr. ronny jackson, thanks good to see you again. thanks for coming on sit. you were a white house doctor for a good spell. >> 14 years. larry: trump is saying before the first debate they should be drug tested. he will submit it, mr. trump. he thinks mr. biden should be submitted to it. people i don't know don't take

it seriously. i think they should take it seriously as a former presidential position, what do you think? >> norm malley we wouldn't something like that, but we live? different world. mr. trump is seeing what else is going on with this man, we've seen his for three years slurring his speech, sleepy joe can barely stay awake reading teleprompter. he out before the state of union he is juiced up on something. he is looking at camera. eyes wide open. he is not blinking, looks for all the world he is on some type of drug. what he is taking, we don't know his doctor untransparent about anything. his doctor refuses to go out and answer questions to the press what medications he is taking or any other questions related to his health. we need to know. it is a national security issue, larry. larry: congressman self, am i being unfair? are people being unfair.

you know you saw this business, he was at the naacp in detroit and he starts saying well president obama told me while i was vice-president to go in and clean up the covid problem in michigan. there was no covid problem. he wasn't president in 2020 when there was a covid problem. is it unfair to ask this question about drug testing? >> it is not unfair but he panders to whoever his audience is. he was raised with an ethnic background. he panders to whoever he is talking to. dr. jackson is exactly right, it has reached the point and everybody can see it, we've got to determine if he has the mental capacity to be the single man in america that controls the nuclear codes. i maintain he does not. larry: what was it, you were in the nuclear command? i>> i commanded a nuclear detachment green berets. we were forward deployed during

the cold warwe thankfully not deployed to exercise nuclear war. nobody wants to. but you have to have somebody with a sound mind that controls those nuclear codes. larry: first, thank you for your great service. that is so impressive. i don't see why any of these presidents shouldn't be drug tested. i mean as a former senior white house staffer we were drug tested when we came in and, the medical unit and the chief of staff could have asked any of us at anytime to be drug tested again. i just don't think that's a bad thing. i think at the end of the day it's a good thing. some things in life are under fire but i don't know there is a track record here. let me move on. ronny jackson, let me, another point, september 30th at end of the year. i don't know whether there will be a reconciliation package on the budget or not but the bidens want to spend $1.6 trillion. it has been out there. "politico" wrote about it, we

commented on it. next six months 1.6 trillion. not easy thing to do. vote buying, vote buying on a grand scale, very impressive vote buying. can you stop it? will the house pass some kind of a budget resolution that would go into reconciliation to stop this massive spending? >> well, we have to, larry. we have to do something. it is out of control. the reason we have inflation in the first place all the reckless spending that has been going on the last 3 1/2 years he has been president, inflation reduction act or chips. we find out today the white mouse is showing us where this money is going. it is selectively going into blue states, blue areas where he is buying the vote the -- larry: swing states. swing states, michigan. >> swing states. >> michigan, great lakes state. >> that is all he is about buying votes. tried it with the student loan program. he figuring out where he needs to buy these votes and buying votes. it is absolutely ridiculous. we can't pay our debt already. we're paying more money in the

interest of our debt than we are for our military defense. larry: dr. ronny jackson. mr. keith self, appreciate it very much.

♪ me and my friends ♪ ♪ life is better with the credit gods are on your side. rewards once available to the few are now accessible to the many. credit one bank. get cash back rewards, and live large. larry: can't put a square peg in a round hole and spend and spend and people don't want it. joe biden spend and spend, lose and lose that's my take. we'll let david asman put a round peg in a square hole and square hole in a round peg. whatever that is.