reversing those deals after the fact. liz: brad gerstner of all timter capital. it is a big afternoon. are you watching the vote closely? it is streaming? >> i will go outside and enjoy myself because the fact of the matter i have utmost confidence in shareholders. they will do the right thing here, because they know he is the right guy to lead the company. enjoy yourself, liz. liz: thank you very much, brad gerstner. as he was talking we still have a record for the s&p and the nasdaq. this will be the 29th record of the year for the s&p and the 7th -- [closing bell rings] liz: it is the 17th for the nasdaq, not bad. that will do it for us at "the claman countdown." tomorrow, tusk ventures ceo bradley tusk in a fox business business -- exclusive. larry: hello, folks, welcome to "kudlow," i'm larry kudlow.

low taxes and deregulation at the business roundtable. that's the subject of the riff. former president donald trump made his first visit to capitol hill today, first one since he left office 3 1/2 years ago. he met with senate and house republicans and then he visited the nation's top ceos at the business roundtable where yours truly was the moderator and interviewer for the one hour session. now we're going to have much more on the house and senate meetings. we have our own john roberts, we have congressman wesley hunt, we have senator roger marshall. on capitol hill the unity vibe was very significant. meanwhile the business roundtable meeting was private and off the record but officials were okay with my reporting some general topics, no direct quotes. the meeting was packed by the way and the number one issue seemed to be tax cuts. president trump pledged that he would maintain the 21% corporate

tax rate which was such a winner for workers and so crucial for businesses to grow and compete. he told the group he was going to stay with that, no changes in 21% rate and in fact wanted the entire trump tax cuts of 2017 to be extended and made permanent. in general, he made it very clear that he is a tax cutter, not a tax raiser. he is a pro-growth prosperity and opportunity president, not a redistributionist and that joe biden's perhaps five trillion dollar tax hiking policy was anathema to him and would be catastrophic to the economy. oh, and by the way, got to put this in, mr. trump repeated his new policy of tax-free tips for service workers that he unveiled in las vegas last weekend. he told several anecdotes about

this put i'm not allowed to repeat them because it was a off the record meeting. anyway he mentioned that. mr. trump mentioned big picture themes. success will bring the country together and success will bring unity. he believed in the reagan dictum, strength at at home brings strength abroad. he will overturn biden regulation. that includes permitting reform and of course drill, baby, drill. as he always does he maintained opening the fossil fuel spigots would be a key part of ending biden-flation. you could have a herd a pin drop through the entire one hour trump presentation. i'm just giving you my editorial. the powerful group of corporate bigwigs were very happy with a candidate for lower taxes and deregulation and the success of business which is the best vehicle to promote a workers coalition and they were very pleased to see a person of

energy throughout the presentation. anyway, that was my takeaway. i've been to several brt meetings with mr. trump during his presidency and frankly thought this one was the most favorable one yet. that is just my riff. anyway here with much better inform political opinions as always is the case joining me now is john roberts, coanchor of "america reports." so you can john, trump day, trump day on capitol hill. very interesting. >> let me preface this, they are not opinions, they are observations. i lead the opinions to you. larry: okay. >> i bet one category of workers mo would love the trump tip tax cut would be golf caddies. i remember in the 1990s when i lived in new jersey around new york i was a member of the ridgewood golf chubb, which is beautiful golf club. larry: beauty. >> they play a pga turnment every year for a time and the caddies would make $30 a bag. for a loop, they typically carry

two bags. if they got in a second loop, that would be rare. they take the $70 they have to pay tax on that. because they work solely for tips it. if you took the $70 put them in your pocket. that would give them more purchasing power. larry: did they ever embrace you? >> all the times i played at ridgewood no caddie ever embraces you. larry: someone talking about the new policy of taxes on tips, i don't want to mention any names, i can't, he mentioned after playing a round of golf a bunch of caddies came up to him and gave him hugs but they were all sweaty and he didn't really like that but he was okay this one time. i'm not going to mention any names, john. >> i do remember playing a qualifier for the club championship this year when it was 104 degrees. we were all sweaty. larry: all right. >> trump visit to capitol hill was very interesting today. he was right on message. it wasn't like one of his campaign events where he starts

to get into grievance politics. he was talking about policy, russia, sailing right past florida. he was talking about the border. he had very, very supportive voices line him. mitch mcconnell was not there. mitch mcconnell said yesterday he would support donald trump and he talked about party unity. and that's really what they need to have. they all need to get on one page. larry: i got a sound, i got a little bit of sound on party unity coming right up. let's take a look at it. roll it, please. >> there is tremendous unity in the republican party. we want to see borders. we want to see strong military. we want to see money not wasted all over the world. we don't want to see russian ships right off the coast of florida which is what they are right now. that's unthinkable. we want to see just success for our country and we don't have success right now. larry: two things there, i know,

three things there, number one, in your judgment will the gop take the senate? >> well, certainly the math favors the republicans. i wasn't curious, i wasn't that closely playing it out, seeing jd vance over his left shoulder there, looks like he could fill the position of vice president. larry: over the shoulder. >> look over the left shoulder. larry: no comment. interesting observation. >> he is supposed to be one of the front-runners. larry: i think he is. >> he looked very presidential. he looked like he had the backing of all the republicans in the senate. and because democrats are defending in many more seats than the republicans are, given the political climate i think there is better than even chance they could pull off a victory in the senate and if they leave larry hogan alone, maybe they could just pick up a seat, could pick up ben cardin's old seat in maryland. this war the trump campaign is

having with hogan makes zero sense. larry: makes zero sense. >> all we should respect was the jury's decision. didn't say trump was a low-life, he just said respect the jury's decision. and chris and lara trump played him for it. larry: i know larry hogan in many ways was a very good governor. he will have his disagreements with mr. trump. he will not have 100% disagreements. i want to make that clear. as you well know, viewers should know, you can have a disagreement with the senators but the republicans will control the senate with all the committee chairs et cetera, et cetera. that is why larry hogan is important. >> who was it if you said you can agree with somebody 70% of the time that's a win. larry: that was my former boss reagan. john you know much about about politics. no grievances today. >> there might have been behind closed doors i wasn't at the business roundtable. larry: no, nothing like that.

>> he was on message, talking about policy. what is really interesting, there used to be an idea, unwritten policy that politics ends at the water's edge, when a u.s. president goes overseas you leave him a long. the gloves came off on that i think during the bush administration. trump says we're a nation, joe biden is over there in fasano, italy, at g7. doing a deal with volodymyr zelenskyy and talking to all the other g7 leaders. typically let him leave him alone, do the business. we're a nation in decline. we have a leader who is being laughed at. the policy the politics ends at the waters edge is gone now. that was very sharp contrast between him and his for rin policy which was very strong. you went on all the foreign policy trips just like i did. i remember when he first met kim jong-un in singapore and the show of strength in terms of foreign policy chops that he demonstrated during that trip

was remarkable. it was very reaganesque. larry: by the by, i'm obliged he did talk about some of those themes to the business roundtable. a question was asked, and he talked about that. what was this business, the russian -- >> russian ship. larry: afraid of it, circling florida? >> number of ships including a nuclear submarine from the russian navy. the frigates i believe were armed with hypersonic missiles, sailed within 30 miles of the florida coast. the only thing missing was a big balloon with a middle finger tied to the one of those ships. "washington post" this was response biden giving ukraine to go ahead to use you american made missiles and rockets to fire into russian territory. trump said it is unthinkable. what would he have done if that happened. moreover, let's not make this about trump, what would jfk had done if the russians done that? larry: done something.

>> might not have been the missiles of october because they weren't putting nukes and they had hypersonic missiles right there off the florida coast, sailing along in the gulf stream. larry: not a good story. john roberts, everybody. you must be a pretty good golfer, club championship? >> oh, it was a qualifier. larry: holy cow. >> it was a qualifier, larry. anybody could go to a qualifier. larry: i was going to put him into the pga in just a moment anyway. john roberts thank you very much. >> i was not scottie scheffler before a -- larry: catch john and coanchor sandra smith on "america reports" weekdays every day 1:00 through 3:00 p.m. eastern on fox news. thank you, john. cumming up mere on "kudlow," what did president trump tell the house gop this morning? there were two meetings. morning in the house. afternoon with the senate. in the middle with the business folks. we'll ask congressman wesley hunt when we come back. here is for a no-tax "tipp poll"

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people come on into our country but they will come in legally. larry: all right, that was mr. trump on the senate side this afternoon but we played anyway. we have superstar texas congressman wesley hunt. thanks for coming on again. you were in the house when trump spoke to your house colleagues. all right, top three points, what did you take away? >> first of all he was fantastic. the energy was spot on. it was a packed house. we are now coalescing behind the guy will be our nominee, the next president of this country. his top issues were very simple. it's the border it's inflation, it's safety. one thing he hit on i found very interesting, what russia is doing right now in cuba. the fact that the world thinks that they can actually behave like any way they want. after looking how joe biden was performing today in europe you wonder why we're viewed the way we are viewed right now. larry: what did biden do? i heard rumors about it. >> he didn't know where he is.

it was very sad to see. for me to watch president trump hour 1/2, stand up, no teleprompter, speak to a enjoy delegation, juxtaposition of that, how we saw biden behave was just the stark condition contrast that let the world know we need him badge. larry: was there questions, give me a flavor for the questions? inflation i assume. >> yes. larry: border i assume. >> safety, yes. larry: american strength i would hope. that worries me that last one, america's strength has been picked away. this story that john roberts was reporting before you may be aware of it, how this russian gun boat was circling florida for a while on its way to cuba. we can't tolerate that kind of thing. >> yes. if you can imagine the contrast between he and joe biden. joe biden has to have everything scripted. he has to know who will ask the questions what the questions are. at the end ever speaking hour 1/2, president trump speaking hour 1/2, with no teleprompter, no nothing, communicating us in a very frank

and honest way, he goes does anybody have any questions? you are allowed to stand up to fire away questions to the future president of this country. basically it was mostly about the border. what are we going to do about it, and how we're going to fix it? this is an issue made every single state a border state. president trump certainly aware of that. his response was this, we'll have mass deportations. we'll have to send some people badge. we'll have to make some very tough decisions. he is right to stand by that. the american public is sick of that. that's the number one issue, especially at home with texas where i am from, people are most concerned about our border. larry: i just saw a poll, congressman, polls don't necessarily tell all the story but i saw a poll that showed, i believe over 70% favored a strong deportation plan. that is the first poll i've seen. now my view is, at a minimum, the criminals have to be deported immediately. >> yes. larry: i know when you come across it is a criminal act, i get that.

i'm thinking more of criminals shooting cops, shooting, murdering young ladies running out in georgia for example, you know these stories. >> yes. larry: laken riley. the venezuelan gangs. we know who they are but because of these left-wing sanctuary cities they can't share or capture them, give them to the border police to send them home. that stuff seems to me would be 100% issue. >> absolutely. it will take a strong man to do it. it will take president trump to do this. in the meeting he referenced dwight eisenhower, former four-star, five star, west point grad. i lived in his barracks for a while. one of my favorite presidents of all time after president trump, he referenced that. he deported people because he had to make a very strong stance to preserve this nation. he referenced that because it took a five-star general won us world war ii to get it done. it will take that kind of leadership to do it again. what he referenced the left will cherry-pick, pick a few people deported, poor mother and her

family. they don't want to talk about the criminals we're going to deport first. that is his top priority. find the criminals, sending them back to where they came from. larry: that is good. >> very important. larry: i have spoken to him quite a bit about the eisenhower thing, as a wee bit of history, you're a west point grad yourself. >> yes. larry: let's insert that self into it, ike is an underrated president, if such a thing is possible and general, the liberal, so-called liberal republican governor of california, earl warren, who ike put on the supreme court as the chief justice and conservatives railed against him for the next 30 years, but it was earl warren who convinced ike to have to deport the mexican immigrant, the criminals there because his state couldn't afford to keep them. >> that's correct. larry: i heard trump say, perhaps maybe he said it today, you keep throwing out eight, 10, 12, 15 million illegals into these cities you're breaking the

cities. >> yes, you will break the entitlement system. we can't afford all of this stuff. i see it in new york city every now and then our mayor eric adams says i want out of this, i want out of this. >> yes. larry: that is interesting financial. we cannot afford it, it is not sustainable. plus the criminal problem. >> this is what we've been doing in texas the past few years. we tried to do something about it. what happens? biden's doj sues texas doing the job for the federal government. what happenses is this, other states start realizing, start shipping immigrants to their states, they start feeling our pain. all of sudden now it is a bigger conversation. we absolutely cannot afford it. we're $34 trillion in debt. we're running a two trillion dollar annual deficit. when you add 11, 12 million people we know of in this country, you're only adding fuel to the fire. he is exactly right. we cannot afford this as a country. larry: thank you, congressman. we appreciate the visit. thank you for coming up here. mr. wesley hunt of the great state of texas, houston, to be

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larry: we'll take a look at mr. trump on the senate side now. joining us now, most greatful to have kansas senator roger manner shall. dr. marshall, thank you very much for coming on. so we got some sound on this. actually let's play the first piece of sound. roll that thing for us, please. don't have it, keep going. do we have the second one yet? we may not have that too but we

do have you, thank you very much. >> yes, sir. we'll try to give you a play-by-play. larry: here is mr. trump, meeting with the senate, i take it pretty much everybody showed up. not everybody. what did he say? what was his message? >> larry, first of all, you're right it is important who was there. at least 45 of us were there. leader mcconnell sitting up front, mcconnell sitting up front. >> shaking his hand before and after the meeting. we're on the same team. you know what trump meetings are like. he is electric. he has an incredible fastball. i think it was exciting after all he had been through, how strong this man is. i never seen someone take all the heat he has taken, come in there ready to lead. took minimum about two minutes, i thought of you when he said this drill, baby, drill. larry: yes. >> yes. that is the key to inflation. he just talked about what we've been talking about. larry: how about tax cuts? >> absolutely tax cuts and jobs act. larry: i interviewed him at the

business roundtable and he explicitly said he wants that 21% corporate tax rate. he will not go higher. he is not going to junk it. some republicans in the house said, nasty bad things about it. did he say the same thing in the senate? he is a tax cutter, not a tax raiser? >> he is a tax cutter. he will help out the waitresses out there in the world. larry: all the tips, no taxed tips. >> he is proud about that one as well. your listeners need to understand, if donald trump is not elected, tear taxes are going up. the tax cuts and jobs act, which has your fingerprints on it will go away. no way joe biden continues those. if we don't have them it will drown the economy. larry: i think it is a total, came up today at the brt. it must be a five trillion dollar tax hike biden would be putting on which would be catastrophic to the economy. president trump talked about all of that how was the reaction? you senators will play a a major role in something called

reconciliation which is a big budget package, taxes, might have permitting reform, might have drill, baby, drill, who knows what will be in there, all you need is 5votes. the senate will be crucial to trump program. >> we need all three levers. majority in the house, senate, trump in the white house and we can do reconciliation not once, we can actually do it twice. big meetings yesterday, speaker mike johnson came over to the senate. larry: twice in one year? >> yes. yes, sir. we, we have to do two budgets. larry: yeah. >> two budgets. we can do it that was exactly speaker johnson's message yesterday, let's take two bites of this apple. let's be ready on day one, yes, let's be ready on day one is really, really crucial. john roberts, our john roberts one of the best political reporters there is, said one point about mr. trump's visit to washington, no, no, talk about his own, shall we say situation,

okay? no talk about the judges, really no talk about his own problems. he was really talking about the peoples problems and how to improve the country and unify with the republicans in the senate and the house. was that your impression too, that mr. trump stay away from his own issues? >> absolutely. i think he does that. larry: absolutely? you paused for a minute there? >> absolutely, he needs to stay focused on the message of the economy and secure the border. those are the two biggest issues back home. we need to stay spot on those as well. certainly all those sudden issues are helping him but we need to stay locked in on helping the american people. emkeeping working coalition growing within our party. larry: i saw one of the news reports, senator wicker, march shag, jd vance wants to ban together, no biden judicial nominations, federal judicial

nominations because of what has gone on in the sham trial in new york and elsewhere. is that serious matter? holding up the noms. only a couple months anyway. >> i think we should do what we can do to hold up the biden agenda. i'm proud to join that letter, 44 nominees that are political hack jobs that will come in and promote this judicial activation, this weaponization of the judicial system mainly. i think it is something we can do. really folks back home, they are tired of republicans turning the other cheek. they're ready for us to stand up and fight. they know trump will fight. the senate needs to stand up and fight too. larry: what is your biggest issue now? you heard mr. trump today, he covers what he covers and it is a wide swath of key issues. what is your single biggest issue? >> what the people of kansas tell me the open southern border and price of gasoline and groceries, it's that simple. larry: what do they want you to

do with the open southern border? i have was talking to congressman before you, wesley hunt, very smart fellow from texas, we're seeing in the polls the issue of deportation, particularly deportation of criminals but it looks like a very strong deportation program is being greeted with a high, like 70% favorability issue and i wonder if you're hearing that in kansas? >> it is absolutely crescendoing. it is, you can argue whether eisenhower or trump had the greatest economist the other thing in common, eisenhower was the chief deporter. he deported over a million people one summer. for similar reasons as well. eisenhower can do a million in a summer, president trump can do a million deported. something needs to be done. we need terrorists criminals out of here first. larry: last one, we have a little bit left. this is june. we have the rnc and the dnc and so forth but you will come back into session for a little bit

before the election, will you not and what will happen there will? what should we be thinking about right now? >> well, i think, the democrats are going to focus on nominations there is a farm bill sitting out there we need to take a peek at as well. i think republicans should focus on a budget process on how do we meet the budget needs, how to have a real budget so we hit the ground running. i think that is what we should focus. larry: hit the ground running in '25? >> right. larry: start putting it together right now. i hear a lot of talk about that. house leader scalise talks a lot about that, house leader steve school lies. i think it is quite sensible. you have to have the tax cuts and spending cuts tie it all in. it could be done. it could be done. >> we need a secure country. we need to drive the cost of gasoline and groceries down. president trump is the one to lead it. we need a senate and a house

majority. larry: senator roger marshall, we appreciate your play-by-play enormously. all right, folks, president trump just now spoke exclusively with fox's own aishah hasnie, right now, how he sees the campaign. take a listen to this. it is interesting. >> we're leading everywhere in some case as lot, a lot of places normally wouldn't be in play are now in play. some cases we're leading them. we're doing well in virginia, new jersey, new mexico. minnesota came out, they have us even with a state that hasn't been won i guess since 72, 1972. i that is a long time. i think we're doing really well. on the other states, swing states we're leading every one of them. we're leading nationally. so we're very happy with that we have tremendous support. the senate has been great. we spoke this morning in front of the house. we did the roundtable of business leaders and then we did the senate and i guess there is about 75 questions and 75

different topics. i don't think biden can do that. larry: all right. there you have it. that was, i guess that is the only clip we're going to play. anyhow, joining us on set, russ vought, center of renewing america f that weren't good enough, we have steve miller former trump policy advisor and trump campaign surrogate there. i got a smile, small one out of steve miller. steve miller, you were accompanying president trump today although you didn't show up at the business roundtable to see the extraordinary kudlow interview but i think you were with trump at some other stops. trump comes back to capitol hill. steve miller, with was your impression, what was your takeaway? >> yes, larry. well i had a incredible time today attending some of the events that was just described. there was incredible unity, incredible good feeling among house members, among senators.

tremendous support for this candidate for the presidential republican nominee, to achieve victory in november because as president trump said, we must be unified across the board. he laid out his immigration vision. he laid his border vision, laid out his economic vision. how to get energy back down, energy security back up. seal the border, stop illegal immigration and how to stop ending all the wars all over the globe ravaging so many nations and putting american security in grave peril. all of that and more was discussed, a truly incredible day, a wonderful day for the republican party and for america. larry: all right. there you have it. good wrap up. russ vought i have know you will agree, basically agree. is immigration the hottest issue in the country, in your judgment, open border? >> absolutely. you go around the country, it is immigration, the border, inflation. i think those two issues beyond

anything are things resonating with the country right now. larry: what should we do about that invasion as you put it? >> the president taking office on day one has all manner of policies he already has executed to be able to turn off the spigot and spend the flow back across the border. stephen miller as part of his team, these guys perfected those policies. it is instantaneous. then you have things that we need congress to give us the money to be able to do. increase, build more wall, but these are things, starting the largest deportation in history the president is running on. so these are things, he is taking the case to the american people. he will be ready on day one. the country will be ready for it. larry: you will be, i saw, congratulations, you will be the policy director for the republican national committee, platform committee, if i have that right? >> yep. larry: what will you recommend on this? let's talk about issue number one, which is the immigration, the open border, the invasion as

you put it. now i know president trump wants the wall, he wants "remain in mexico," perhaps something like restoration of title 42 might be put into that as well and so forth. what about the deportation side? i'm seeing polls that show the public favors deportation. what kind of presidential authority does he have? >> he has the authority to deport individuals. if you're here illegally, you go through a process but we have ways to expedite that process. unfortunately the under the biden administration i.c.e. has been used to basically funnel people across the country into communities across the border. made every state, every community essentially a border state and i.c.e. has the ability to proper leadership from the oval office to overturn that. i think that is what you will see. putting in place the things that stephen and others really created to serve the president in the last term.

larry: steve miller, can i just ask you, is there some way you guys can get your arms and you the federal bureaucracy which never agrees with a republican president and certainly disagrees with mr. trump, at least that's the track record. those guys are tenured. they're worst than tenured harvard faculty members. is there something in the early stages that can combat this, this crazy bureaucracy that is going to try to oppose trump at every turn? >> you're right of course, larry, that the permanent washington bureaucracy, the lifetime tenured bureaucracy, undermines in a very significant way the operation of american democracy where you elect a leader, you elect donald trump, and then you have life-time tenured officials at cia, at the fbi, at the department of homeland security and elsewhere in the government, department of

state who have their own agenda. this is again another way that the left and the democrats are trying to subvert democracy but president trump is committed to, this is major theme of his campaign, to restoring full american democracy and what that means is, that you have to have appointees inside of all of these agencies from the agency head to the chiefs of staff, on down to the public affairs officers, who are committed to executing the lawful agenda of the democratically elected president of the united states. if you have instances, and you have cases where federal bureaucrats are engaging in behavior that is not lawful, that is not consistent with the proper understanding of the constitution, then by definition of course those individuals will have to be reassigned, they will have to be removed. that is a core component of having true democracy in the america, where the will of the voters is respected. you look at issues you went

through today, larry, whether it is a secure border, whether it is low inflation, whether it is low energy prices, whether it is safety on your streets. whether it is foreign policy that puts america first, all of these issues what voters want, not just by a slim margin, 70% of voters, 80% of voters want these reforms and want these changes in government and donald trump will not let a bureaucracy stop him from implementing that popular agenda americans want. larry: i've seen the polling numbers, it is really quite remarkable, all 70, 80% type issues. you have to wonder how goofy democrats are to oppose them all. at the business roundtable meeting today, the issue came up. you have this sort of rogue federal trade commission, rogue federal communications commission, rogue antitrust in the justice department division, all they do is sue business. it is the most anti-business operation i have ever seen. they are independent agencies but they're not independent of

the earth and the planet. administration comes in, it is insanity. by the way, one i'm thinking of the most is lina khan, lina khan, she loses every court case but causes businesses to pay millions and millions of dollars in legal fees and maybe stomps out business. can you do something about that. >> you can and he is running on it right now. the whole notion of independent agencies is anathema from the standpoint of the constitution. the founding fathers would never recognize independent agencies. part of the fourth branch stephen talks about, and one of the president's proposes, make sure to the extent agencies are doing rulemaking to come into the white house, not unlike anything else that you would see from department of commerce or the epa, to make sure it is going from a cost benefit analysis to make sure that other age is get a chance to have an opinion on what they're doing, ultimately, the president should have an opinion that is coming from the oval office. this was something that we discussed and he is now running

on. we discussed in the last administration. he has a great campaign agenda on that and promised the american people he would do. larry: it is anti-growth, anti-prosperity, anti-jobs, anti-worker, whatever newt says, big government socialists, crazy stuff. all she does is lose them. it doesn't seem time pack her. i don't get it. russell vought, steve miller, old friends, thank you gentlemen, we appreciate it very, very much. >> thank you, larry. larry: anytime. coming up folks, success breeds unity. that's a big part of mr. trump's message in washington today, but he has some tax cutting on the side and some deregulation also. i kind of like it. we have more exclusive sound from him. we'll talk about it with byron york and katie pavlich up next. i'm kudlow. be right back.

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strong statements but i can just say from my standpoint i'm about the party and i'm about the country. larry: very wise politically. john robertson and i were talking about this at the top of the show. larry hogan can be a very good republican add to the senate. joining us to talk about that and other things, byron york, chief political correspondent for "the washington examiner," fox news contributor, katie pavlich, editor at townhall.com, and also a fox news contributor. katie, you like this approach, right? >> yeah. larry: hogan, he is a republican and can win committee chairmanships and whatnot. >> larry hogan a republican in the very blue state of maryland. he has been able to keep his approval rating high in that state. looks like he could flip a senate seat in maryland on behalf of republicans in a very long time. it is all about the math here on

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the national polls are within one point, and swing state polls are all very tight. here is what he has got to do. he has to win all of his 2020 states. he has to win georgia, arizona and win one, pennsylvania, michigan or wisconsin. that's not easy to do. they're all going to be close. he needs every vote. >> yeah. larry: so you agree with that, but i'm just thinking he is going to win all those sunbelt states, just going to say that based on my own kudlow knowledge or lack of knowledge thereof. georgia will come to its senses. north carolina is not really in play. the border helps in nevada. i like pennsylvania. i like david mccormick running senate. he closed the gap against bob casey, jr. i give mccormack most improved campaigner this time around. i just want to come back to this point. this is trump, i'm going to not say it is a new trump.

i've known him for a while, seen him operate on the inside, no public pronouncements, no enemies, have a big tent republican party, we need to do that. the word i use with byron, didn't work so well, newish, i will try it with you, newish, donald trump. pragmatic, political theoretical thinker. >> i'm not so sure it is so new. donald trump is very forgiving person when it comes to approximately ticks. he got through the 2016 primary, got through the primary this time. he is actually ready to move on, work the people who ran against him, further them due to the benefit of country. for the general election, the question i get all the time from people who pay attention to politics, don't work in politics, don't pay attention to every single detail, democrats, republicans, are they replacing joe biden at the convention. president trump with the contrast today on capitol hill with republicans rallying around him and having his base solid, now he can go after those swing

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