why? what do those two names what is the common thread? you have got about 20 seconds. not a lot of time, sorry. >> value focused consumer is going to tjx because they love to treasure hunt. the company is doing extremely well. pays a dividend. only trading 71 times. ought sew zone, average age of autos is 12 1/2%. highest in five years. autozone buys back a lot of their shares. up 15% year-to-date. it has a lot more to go. liz: art hogan, how long have we been doing this together, 28 years? that is how good he is. >> something like that. liz: thanks, art. [closing bell rings] yes looks like a record for the s&p and the nasdaq, big moves today for nvidia. tomorrow he have san greenberg, ceo of the insurance giant chubb. larry: hello, folks, welcome to

"kudlow," i'm larry kudlow. so president trump right now about to take the stage in racine, wisconsin with his pro-growth tax cutting, seize the border agenda. we'll take you there live as the president is speaking. back in washington, d.c., joe biden announced another mass amnesty plan for hundreds of thousands of illegals, incredible. we'll have much more on that in a few moments with former dhs secretary chad wolf. but first up, our very own edward lawrence doing double and triple duty today. he has got the details on mr. biden's amnesty plan. edward, what can you tell us. >> reporter: larry the president having the department of homeland security keep non-citizen spouses and children together. the move he announces today claims will help from the economy by adding skilled workers. the department of homeland security will help families navigate the process to apply for lawful permanent resident status. the person has to be in the u.s.

10 years or more, be legally married to a u.s. citizen. the president said it would move 500,000 spouses and 50,000 children into a protected status to legally stay in this country. here is the president 30 minutes ago. listen. president biden: i refuse to believe that to secure our border we have to walk away from being in america. vast generations renewed, revitalized, refreshed by the talent, the skill, the hard work and courage and determination of immigrants coming to our country. >> reporter: he believes he can secure the border as well as provide legal pathways to citizens. the house speaker's office says this is election year ploy. adding the american people are not buying the desperate attempt to put any show over the border. larry? larry: thanks very much, edward lawrence. meanwhile the migrant crime crisis is worsening by the day all across the country. we crimes, crimes and worse crimes. fox news senior correspondent

eric shawn has got the latest for us. eric, what can you tell us. >> reporter: this is horrible crime here in new york city. thankfully quick-thinking new yorkers being credited for the arrest. that of illegal migrant ever ecuador, accused of raping a teenage girl in a new york city park. >> the community was trying to hold the perpetrator waiting for the police. he fought with them. the community still managed to hold on to him until we got there. >> reporter: here is the suspect. christian england. he faces several charges rape, kidnapping, endangering the welfare after child. spotted 1:00 this morning not far from the attack. weapons recognized him from the wanted posters, pointed on him and held him down on the sidewalk until police arrived to arrest him. he was accused of pulling a ma chet see style knife a girl and boy, 13 years old, forces them in secluded area in the park,

used shoelace to bound their hands together before raping the young girl. this is the latest murder, allegedly committed, crime, committed by a migrant, migrant from venezuela is charged in the killing of 22-year-old laken riley as she was jogging in a georgia park. she on the left. last week an illegal migrant in el salvador charged with 2023 murder of rachel warren on the right. new york senate republican candidate mike camperone wants a migrant crime task force to be established to focus on illegal. >> we're talking about people who have committed crimes, people here illegally. we should be scrutinizing what they do. you're right, we scrutinize mobsters, scrutinize recidivist people not enough. we need to start scrutinizing

recidivist. >> reporter: he entered the border illegally at eagle pass, texas, 2021. detained by the border patrol, fingerprinted, process, then released. larry. larry: eric shawn, tough stuff. thanks very much for the update. folks, bide's open border is killing in the americans and must be stopped. that is the subject of the riff. larry: illegal immigrant got-aways running close to two million during the biden years. that according to congressional sources. plus 7.4 million recorded illegals crossing the border according to i.c.e. that is for a total of over nine million combined, and on top of that, joe biden now wants to add a new parole in place for i recall legal aliens spouses that would be one of the most extensive amnesty actions in over 30 years, that according to our next guest, former dhs secretary chad wolf.

this is another example of the bidens using parole authority extensively and unlawfully. it would put who knows how many illegals on an expedited path of three years to u.s. citizenship so they could vote in the 2028 elections. all this even though there already exist as long-standing process for illegal alien spouses of u.s. citizens to qualify for legal status already. they have that. some estimates of biden's new actions are about 500,000. but frankly there is no telling why it won't be an even larger number and underneath this illegal spousal problem is an incentive for fraudulent marriages which is really one of the key problems in the first place. all of this is happening while mr. biden claims a pause in the number of migrants causing the southern border to a daily average of 2500 over the span of a week, but in fact, that number has already been completely

breached. frankly no matter what biden's election year rhetoric, the reality is, the southern border is still wide open. in fact, recent reports suggest now that the northern border may be wide open with as many as 3,000 illegals crossing there just in the month of may alone. the country is in an uproar over biden's illegal immigration. now to some extent it is an economic issue. employment data suggests that cheap labor illegals who actually work are displacing native-born job opportunities and depressing real wages but of course so many of the illegals do not work and democratic blue states in particular are forced to pay generously for free food and housing and health care and all these public services may ultimately wind up crowding out america's long-standing entitlement civil but --

entitlement system, but the greatest tragedies are bound up in this immigration nightmare. an el salvador criminal caught and deported four times for crimes in the u.s. before that, he murdered a young woman in el salvador and just days ago was alleged to have murdered a young mother of five in suburban maryland. just this morning an ecuadorian migrant arrested after the rape of a 13-year-old girl in broad daylight at a park in queens. the brutality and savagery of these crimes is beyond comprehension. brutal gang warfare came across the southern border into our sanctuary cities where blue state mayors and governors will not in most cases cooperate with border authorities to deport them. as these human atrocities occur, joe biden has the incredible gall to say to the american people he is actually going to expand his crime-ridden web of

illegality and amnesty and his assault on middle class values and the lives of innocent people. it is no wonder that a recent poll shows 53% of hispanics favor deportation of illegals. you can just feel the intensity of americans of all stripes screaming out for heavens sakes, stop this madness. and that is my riff. all right, for more on this let's bring in chad wolf, who is former dhs secretary. now executive director at afpi. chad, thank you for doing this very much. first of all, this parole in place for alien spouses, i mean this is fraudulent. this is, they already have stuff in the books if this was anything legitimate. it is going to open the door to even more hundreds and hundreds thousands of illegals, will it not? >> well i think you're right,

larry. again this is the unlawful use of parole we've seen the biden administration do over the last 3 1/2 years. they have paroled upwards million individuals into this country. this will be the latest step putting more and more individuals parole in place program that we have never, never seen before and you're exactly right, what we saw after daca in 2012 which interestingly enough from president obama, was introduced in june of an election year, we now have president biden doing the same thing in june of an election year regarding amnesty, what we saw after daca, the number of unaccompanied children spiked afterwards. so one could say that after this action you can see the number of fraudulent marriages spike also to try to avail themselves of this benefit. larry: the bidens know this, chad wolf. this is election year stuff. they know exactly what this is? >> yeah. larry: fraudulent marriages, that is the best way, provides

an incentive for phony marriages. this has nothing to do with family values or anything remotely like that. >> yeah. larry: this is a bunch of fraud to let more people in, is it not? this is election year democratic electioneering. >> it also feels like the biden administration in search after many pro, right? because they talk about two things with this executive order. one is, they want to shield individuals, individuals that they say, by their own data have been here for 23 years on average, they want to shield them from deportation. the reality the biden administration is not removing anyone from the country. these individuals are not enforcement priority for the biden administration. the second piece they say they want to keep families together but again these individuals are here illegally, have been here for 23 years on average, and have had the ability to cure their unlawful status here in the united states as that alien spouse and have failed to do so for on average, 23 years.

clearly they have not determined this is a priority for them to do either. so it feels like again, biden administration is insearch of a problem in order to have a press conference couple months out from an election. larry: you know, chad wolf, think about this, the politics here, so mr. biden, because he is suddenly issuing an executive order, he claims he couldn't issue but he suddenly issuing this executive order that will quote, unquote, close the border which it most certainly not. now he is offsetting this by providing some sort of illegal spousal alien amnesty, but the reality is, chad, the first order didn't do anything. our reporters bill melugin and other fox news reporters, you talk to these people too, they have already breached all their targets. they're not even remotely closing the border? >> yeah, and what we've seen when the biden administration issues enforcement direction or executive orders we saw last week, is it comes with a whole

slew of exemptions and loopholes. so what you see in the san diego sector specifically is that they have exempted over 100 countries in the eastern hemisphere from that executive order. so that is why you continue to see them stream in and be released into american communities. most americans are starting to catch on. they know that what the biden tells them and what occurs on the ground in reality are two different things and we're seeing that play out in real time. larry: chad wolf, thank you, former head, former secretary -- former secretary of dhs, if i get that right. thank you, chad. we appreciate it very, very much. >> thanks, larry. larry: coming up folks here on "kudlow," you have got two trillion dollar budget deficits as far as the eye can see. by the way the number will grow larger if illegal immigration grows larger as i reckon it will unfortunately. anyway we'll talk about deficits and the economy. we'll have to talk some more about this whole tragedy. i mean the crime wave associated

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larry: new cbo estimates coming out, i don't know, an hour ago, less than an hour ago, hard to keep up with all of this stuff but two trillion dollar budget deficits basically as far as the eye can see from the cbo. that is the new joe biden baseline. in fact as you get into the next decade it could be even three trillion dollars. we will celebrate that with sandra smith, coanchor of america reports, the queen of budget deficits and we have liz peek, syndicated columnist, fox news contributor and the great fox business's edward lawrence. hello, kids. >> this is fun. larry: this is fun. we'll cover so much stuff. edward lawrence, you were in with the president of the new york fed john williams. a smart guy. >> yep. larry: what did he think about two trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see? williams is a distinguished

keynesian. canes would roll off in his grave if he saw two trillion dollars estimates and 4% inflation. >> all the federal reserve panelists that we're on unsustainable fiscal path that is the line everyone uses we're on an unsustainable fiscal path. that is what he talked about. we talked about the jobs report, that was very interesting, one of the change of topic real quick, the establishment survey, household survey have a divestment. the establishment survey showing 272,000 jobs added but the household survey showing 408,000 jobs lost exactly. so i asked him, hey, what's the deal with this? is it, is it overinflated, overstated. this is what he said. listen to this. >> we are seeing a, i think a slowing too more sustainable levels which is a good thing. >> is it overstated? >> i think the, in the

establishment survey, the payroll survey there is some reason to think based on the current benchmark revision of data there might be a bit overstated but we'll learn more about that in the next month. >> he said overstated. federal reserve chairman says overstated. the jobs report. you can't rely on the jobs report. larry: on the numbers, on the numbers. two trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see, can't rely on the numbers. what does that mean? we're like in a rocket ship going around but you can't see anything? >> aren't we fresh off this administration insisting that inflation was 9% when joe biden took office, when it was 1.4%? i mean they have doubled down on that. there is a huge growing distrust from the american public on the economic data that is coming out especially when they're not feeling these numbers that are getting touted and pushed and, you know and preached to them. you look at the amount of spending out there, you don't see acknowledgement that is how we got here. there was an editorial said can

mr. powell get out a little bit more? the frustration with the american public is that everything costs too much. unless you see an acknowledgement we got here by too much spending we're not going to fix the problem. so the numbers are interesting on the employment. where really are we? and how good are those job numbers? larry: i don't think anybody knows. >> didn't we have job gains have been revised 10 months in the year 2023? almost every report came out, i wonder where this will get revised? larry: liz, you wrote about this, i don't want to obsess about it but it has been interesting, well over a year that the payroll survey of large corporations has been going up quite a lot, household survey, families and small business has not. it has been flat to down last month. last month was down 400,000. the fed bigwigs don't know which is the right survey. maybe we shouldn't rely on that stuff at all what do you think of that? >> the problem is it is driving

policy. larry: i know. >> that is what the fed is looking in terms of their decision making. the really scary thing about two trillion dollar deficits the economy should be growing really well and it's not. how can we be losing jobs which i think we are according to the household survey and jolts and adp. the job market is softening. the economy is slowing. look at the retail figure today. consumers are finally out of gas. we're running those kind of deficits, larry, yet the economy is slowing down. what do we do when we get into recession? four trillion dollar deficit the is that what we look forward to? yes, we may have rate cuts. these are alarming trends. if the fed people are sitting around it is unsustainable. say something. talk about spending. they have not, neither has jay powell which i really think is appalling, greenspan used to do, paul volcker used to do a long time ago. one problem here, i mean i can't prove this a thousand percent but a lot of economists, sandra,

pushing pencils, this dreadful crime-ridden immigration problem which gets worse by the minute. >> awful. larry: which mr. biden made worse today by allowing even more amnesty, for more illegals but, they're taking away native-born, homegrown american jobs and they're depressing real wages. >> well there is a couple ways to look at that. could be happy they're working once they're here. larry: we don't know how much of them actually work. some of them work, i i grant you that. i saw a piece by larry lindsey, small percentage work. most come in for health, welfare housing, breaking budgets. >> we hope we can agree on that as americans on the left, right, center we want a business-friendly environment. what we are seeing cities inundated with the migration problem. now the left is saying how do you expect us to deport these people. there is no possible way we could have the resources to do that. maybe we should have been

acknowledging that as they were coming in. larry: hispanics, hispanics want to deport illegal. >> more than half. larry: which is really something, okay? edward, i don't know if you got into any of this stuff. the deficit problem, think about what liz just said. if you had a slowdown, a significant slow down, then automatic stablizers if you do nothing you will go to three trillion on the deficit, go to four trillion on the deficit. somebody has to do something about it. we're borrowing too much money. how can you have a tight monetary policy to get inflation down if you're borrowing all this money. >> just ask them. >> the debt as you know is a drag on the economy. it is holding back, to liz's point it is holding back on the economy because of the debt payments you have to make. we're spending more just on interest payments on the debt than the entire amount on children in the history of the united states. we're getting close to spending more than defense on the interest payments for debt. it is a huge drag on the economy. it is holding back the economy.

it is something that, everyone you talk to, economists, federal reserve even, although not loudly, saying you have to turn this around. you have to figure out in good times when you bring down the deficit. bad times when you need to use it. larry: that's right. i have a thought. left's abolish the misnamed inflation reduction act which was a trillion dollars worth of subsidies for green new deal sordid stuff, plus electric vehicles. oh, liz, by the way did i forget, fiskar failed. that is an electric vehicle company, it failed. i have a little list of others that failed. protera, lordstown, electric last mile solutions. they're progeny of an outfit called solyndra back in another era. that failed too. why do we subsidize failures? request are we obsessed about climate change? >> good question. there is a long answer to that

question. we'll continue to subsidize all these losing ventures. i don't think don't it us why evs or ev related companies but that is the biggest one. joe biden has an ad on twitter/x, whatever, we'll make evs to produce good union jobs. no we're not. down the road byd, the big chinese company, tesla's main competitor, they are now coming out with cars priced under $10,000. by the way the range of those cars, quality of them, excellent. will we put a, by the way we can't do tariffs if they make them in mexico. we have something called nafta that is going to regulate that. larry: usmca. >> by the way it doesn't really make any sense. >> by the way we shouldn't be as a government, as a country in business of picking winners and losers. >> totally right. >> for electric vehicles. takes 40% less workers to do it. larry: wait a second. i don't want to lose that point. >> give me a fist bump.

larry: that is a great point. why do we want to pick winners and losers? >> not only that, raise your taxes to take more of your money to pick more losers. larry: which leads me to another point i wanted to raise with you. that is the question of taxing tips, tips like for you know, tipping people. >> yes. larry: "wall street journal" came out against it today on sort of nerdy technical grounds. >> where do you fall on this? larry: where i fall? i think it is a clever idea from mr. trump. here is my litmus test. >> did you come up with? larry: i didn't come up with it. he claims in the holding room of drt in washington, it was a las vegas vegas waitress complained about complexity of tipping filing with the irs. >> i love it. >> listening to the ground. larry: that is policy from the grassroots. here's the point. my litmus test, will it, will something increase your tax burden or lower your tax burden? in this case the answer is,

lower your tax burden. therefore, this is good thing. what you think? >> i'm a fan of it. larry: you are? >> i had to think about it, my mother once said, i'm one of five girls, my mother didn't want us to get in the service industry, get a taste of the fast money, you will never leave. if you get a quick buck, you won't leave go off to college to get a better job. they're is something to say not incentivizing somebody in the service industry forever, although people make wonderful livings at it, but i'm a fan of people keeping more of their hard-earned money period. larry: fox news host can be paid on a tips basis. >> i love that. larry: tax-free. there is exponential opportunity to lower taxes on employment. tips, go down the line. >> president biden talks about the $400,000 or less people making. those are people. >> that is those people. >> exactly. >> larry, we're going to have a conversation in this election

about taxes, right? that is going to be a very big deal. when we're talking about too much spending, everyone has got to keep saying this over and over. spending is completely out of whack versus our historical norms. receipts are not. taxes, tax revenue is pretty normal. it is not underwater. larry: actually you're right. 24% of gdp is the spending line the last 50 years the average was 21%. we're way above that. >> it's terrible. larry: by the way per firing caddies embraced him after he made this announcement. he actually went through this anecdote at the business roundtable. >> i was a caddie once. larry: actually i've been a caddie myself, yes. he said he didn't like sweaty caddies in this case he would overlook it. we're out of control. i think mr. trump will speak here in a minute. if we don't see them ever again, liz peek, edward lawrence, sandra smith. i don't know what will happen to them. sandra please, she is with john roberts every day. it is a lovely pair.

fabulous new show. got to get that in at 1:00 p.m. we'll take mr. trump. he just took the stage in racine, wisconsin. let's listen to what he is saying. maybe no taxes on tips. >> i love milwaukee. i said you have to fix the crime, we all know that. make sure the election is honest. i'm the one that picked milwaukee and the democrats or the radical left lunatics as i call them, what they say is, just so terrible they lie, lie, lie. they have a horrible candidate. they have a candidate that has no clue. doesn't know where he is. all they can do is lie. i love it. i'm the one that picked milwaukee officially. [cheering] and you had, i think you had about 10 congressman in a meeting we had recently how much i liked milwaukee. they all came out, that is what he said. we can't help it. we're truthful people. i want to begin by saying hello, wisconsin, hello. great state.

[cheering] we've had great success here. great to be back in this beautiful state with thousands and thousands of proud, hard-working american patriots. what a crowd. what a crowd. with your help five months from now we're going to win wisconsin. we're going to defeat your radical left democrat senator, one of the worst in the senate. [cheering] nobody even knows she is a senator. i mean frankly she is not doing a good job representing. we have somebody that is going to be great. we're going to defeat your senator tammy baldwin. [cheering] we're going to elect eric hovde of this area, by the way, who is a great gentleman. spent a lot of time with him. he and his wife are incredible people. he will be a great representative. they will be great representatives of your state. we'll elect him to the u.s. senate. we'll evict, weak, failed, incompetent joe biden. he is an incompetent person,

from the white house. quite simply we are going to make america great again. [cheers and applause] less than four years ago, our border was secure, inflation was nowhere to be seen, the world was at peace and america was strong and respected. we were respected all over the world. none of this stuff would have been happening that's happened now with russia and ukraine and the attack on israel, none of it would be happening. we would not have a thing called inflation. that would have been nice too but it was a different place four years ago i think, but now we'll make it better, bigger, stronger than ever before. [cheering] but you had a president who put america first. i put america first. they don't, they put america last. under crooked joe biden the world is in flames, our border is overrun, inflation is raging, europe is in total chaos. the middle east is exploding. iran is emboldened.

china is on the march and the worst, most incompetent, most corrupt president in history is going to drag us into world war iii. other than that he is doing quite a good job, don't you think? [booing] joe biden is humiliating our country on the world stage. he is actually humiliating us. you saw what happened this weekend. it is turning the united states into a total joke all over the world. first he wandered off the g7 in europe, the stage. he looked like he didn't know where the hell he was but he didn't know where he was. he is blaming it now on a.i. he is saying, he doesn't know what a.i. is but that's okay. they're saying the media, oh he is saying the media is manipulating now. on that one i have to stick up for the media, i have to tell you. he said the media is manipulating the pictures of him

constantly not knowing where the hell he is. they're doing just the opposite. they're making him look better. at the g7 in europe. he had to be rescued by other world leaders. they had to pull him back. he bizarrely put his face on the pope's forehead. what was that all about? that was weird. vivek is here. that was weird, vivek. [cheering] i don't know. did you see the pope? the pope is like, what's happening. the pope didn't really know what was happening. he said this is strange. then he froze during the celebration on the white house lawn. then barack hussein obama had to grab his hand, lead him off the stage as he were a child. i tell you obama handled it differently. could have done a little softer, like let's go. let's go. he didn't have to grab him to pull him off the stage but he looked good. i guess that was his primary

purpose. he wanted to look good. he could have done a better job. in fact the biden people were very upset about that whole incident but, you know, yet to be, yet to be discussed but crooked joe and his handlers are insisting he's sharper than ever and they say the videos of crooked joe shuffling around are clean fake. you know what a clean fake is? they're deceptively edited. they say they're deceptivelily edited. every day, he can't go anywhere without a mistake. if i'm perfect, they say he made a mistake, perfect. and i don't say clean fakes all, they do that, they do that. the fake news. look how many they have out there. they're all over the place. [booing] larry: we may return to mr. trump in a few moments. we have greatest abouts, the great new york congresswoman claudia tenney is here and steve moore from the unleash

prosperity hot lyne and abc's radio host of "moore money." couple things here, claudia, i want to get your quick, i want to take your pulse, crowd yaw, how's that? why shouldn't tips, tipping for service workers be tax-free? the nation's leading supply side editorial page said it was a bad idea. i don't know, it cuts the employment tax, cuts the tax own employment. it seems like a fair thing to do. it is good for working folks. mr. trump is touting it. i'm sure he will mention it in his speech in racine, wisconsin. what is wrong with no taxes on tips? >> i actually like the idea. i was a waitress who worked for one dollar an hour back in those days. it was a cash world, which by the way the democrats are trying to eliminate. they're trying to say we can't use cash anymore. they will go after our transactions, you're own your honor to report what your tips are. we're saying we don't trust you.

we'll make you put a certain amount -- [inaudible]. actually come up with a number what your tips are supposed to be, already presumed. if you get more for really doing a good job, for, try to come after you for that. i like it is more of a free market idea and i love what trump is doing because i can totally relate to that. imagine working for a dollar an hour. you hustle to get great independence it. brought them extra coffee cup, a great dessert, that is part of the american dream, teaching people how to be entrepreneurs and teaching people how to fight and stride. i think the opposite what we've got right now. larry: steve moore in the era of joe biden who wants to raise taxes and then he wants to raise taxes even more, he would like to raise taxes even more after that, i say any tax break working folks could get would be a very good idea. i don't think it will cost much money.

i see the wild and crazy estimates from people on the far left that reminds me, people on the far left don't care about working people anymore. they don't care claudia tenney might have worked as a teenager or college kid much i taught tennis as a kid. you might have caddied, whatever, swimming. democrats have given up on those kind of people. >> yeah. i was actually a car parker. larry: there you go. >> a valet. by the way, we lived on tips as the congresswoman was saying. you know you got paid for performance. the better job you did, the more tips you got. by the way there is one problem with this what will we do with 80,000 irs agents with this policy? they're trying to find every quarter in the sofa they can possibly find. look, this is all about trump's basic philosophy is, let's lower taxes on work, let's lower the taxes on companies so they locate hire. you're right, look what biden is

be talking about. you have this horrific report out today you were just talking about with the two trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. how will he deal with it? raise taxes through the roof. that will lower growth. larry, you left out of one of the most important, sad, numbers in that report which is they're projecting 1.8% annual growth. no, we're going to grow, we have trump in there, we'll grow at 3 1/2%, larry. we'll grow this economy and get the revenues in. it is the only way out of this. larry: claudia, the other thing is, now you're from upstate new york, so it doesn't exactly qualify but i want us to talk, we have a few minutes, minute or so left because of mr. trump's speech but the fact is it's the south, claudia. it's the south and the southeast and the sunbelt state, i'm just reading, looking at a peace from james freeman, for the first time, claudia tenney, six fast-growing states in the south, florida, texas, georgia,

the carolinas, and tennessee, are contributing more to national gdp than the entire northeastern corridor. people are leaving the northeast to go into the sunbelt states and it has a lot to do with taxes and regulations. it also has something to do i think with generally attitudes towards business claudia tenney. i mean the democrats won't wise up. for example, the corporate tax cut. biden wants to throw the corporate tax cut out. that would make us completely uncompetitive on the international stage. it would raise the tax burden across the board by 1/3. they don't think in those terms anymore the democratic party. >> you're exactly right, larry. new york state is the perfect incubator what not to do economically. we have the highest out migration of jobs. we have the worst economy, least business-friendly, the least free. that is because i'm a business owner in upstate new york. most of the people that work in upstate new york working at family businesses run by my

family. we passed through, so when you raise the corporate tax rate, you are hurting family business. when you have energy, a rid includes energy policy that's impossible, that adds not only to inflation and costs and everything that, americans wanting to leave, it is also dangerous, when you have an open border like we do in upstate new york and laws that actually prioritize illegal immigrants and criminals over hard-working citizens, that hurts your business community. that is request people are leaving new york. we've got to change the government in place. you know what would be great. it would be great if president trump can win new york state. we get a few more senators and a few more assembly members to take out the left-wing radicals who run albany, once great empire state into the ground. look at new york, don't do what they're doing. do what president trump did. it was the greatest thing ever to have trump in office for new york state bitses. larry: it is all about the sunbelt states. they like business. you know, they like -- >> no income tax, no income tax.

larry: the sunbelt states they like employers and employees. the trouble with democrats they like employees. they don't like employers. they haven't learned. we'll come back to you later. i'm sorry we're truncated today. claudia tenney, thanks to both of you, we appreciate it. turning to another story, a fabulous story, one of these breathtaking "new york times" story. lefty groups are losing their minds over a potential trump victory. i love this. my favorite story of the day. joining us now, byron york, chief political correspondent for "the washington examiner" and fox news contributor. david bossie 2024 rnc co-chair. byron, come on, this is so great. one of these breathless "new york times." they just figured out trump might win. now they're organizing a resistance, a resistance on immigration, on civil service reforms, on anything, on taxes.

i don't care, on crime. law and order, on the border, on deportation. a resistance. he is not even in office yet, byron york. >> well you know we saw that in 2016 and in the transition in 2017 there were a number of groups that set about to cripple trump's presidency. certainly with the russia investigation they did enormous damage to the first two years of trump's presidency. they also did things like filing lawsuits against some of the president's immigration edicts, things like that. you will expect more of that, i think, if trump were elected again. they would be better organized. they will try to cripple virtually everything he does. one thing the article didn't say much about, i think will be a big deal, desperate effort to try to keep trump from being president if he is elected. certainly if elected during the transition period we'll see desperate efforts to use the 14th amendment, the effort that didn't pass supreme court

muster in the states, try to use that to keep him from being president. if democrats win the house, i would expect the debate to see whether they could actually impeach trump before he takes office. so, i think that the resistance will be just multiplied this time around. larry: david bossie, here is mr. trump saying time and time again, that for him success is the best revenge. he is not looking for the kind of revenge that these democratic resistance groups, just like in 2016, after he won, david bossie, did he try to prosecute hillary clinton who could have, maybe should have have been prosecuted? no. what he saying today, revenge is the success. he wants to unify the country, around economic growth and law and order, and closing the border and lower taxes and deregulation and drill, baby, drill. i mean that's trump's response. these other people are off their rocker.

that is what i think, david bossie. what say you, success or not? >> absolutely that is the bets medicine and america deeply, deeply needs it after the four years put up under joe biden. these people are sick, larry. they are sick. they have trump derangement syndrome. you and i have been talking about this for some years. they are doing exactly what they claim president trump did when he was in office but they're trying to prosecute him, right? they want to put their people in jail. they will stop him during the transition. they're going to use lawfare, even when he becomes president. these people are sick. they cannot, they hate president trump more than they love our country. we've been saying this. we've been seeing it since the, what byron was talking about is exactly right. the resist movement which was launched on election night 2016. they failed miserably then. they did disrupt us but they failed and what they have done

is they have harmed our country. we have to get back. we have to elect donald trump to do the things you just talked about, larry. we have to close our border, get our economy back on track, get inflation under control. get energy back out there. because that is going to solve all the problems. >> i'm a little short, i'm sorry, because we took mr. trump. i think we may go back to mr. trump in racine, wisconsin. success is the best revenge. i don't care what these crazy left-wingers are saying, trump has got the right message, a unity message. a growth and success message if he stays with it, i know he will. thank you, byron york, dave bossy, thank you, good to see you again. americans are in an uproar, an uproar about immigration, about illegal immigration. what does joe biden do today, he goes ahead and expands the amnesty net amidst the worst crime wave any of us have ever seen, incomprehensible crime because of these gangs and other individuals coming across the border. unbelievable story. anyway we have tennessee senator bill hagerty to weigh in. i'm kudlow.

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hope because we played some racine, wisconsin, trump, stuff. senator, you have new numbers out today. congress says two million got-aways across the border. roughly seven 1/2 million encounters. we'll call it 10 million round numbers, nine 1/2 to 10 million and you had the most incomprehensible, serious, incomprehensible, atrocious, murders, rapes from criminals crossing the border, criminals from south of the border who commit crimes up here. here is joe biden announcing today an expansion of parole in place, an expansion of parole in place. in this case it is about illegal spouses which as you know always been a phony fraudulent issue to begin with. if it weren't bad enough, stop the madness. he is going to expand the illegals, give amnesty to them. i'm staggered by this senator hagerty. >> as many i, larry. this is a topic that biden continues to focus on.

he is so wrong-headed on it. he fails to read the american public. moving exactly in the wrong direction. the american public want these people deported in a long shot. cnn reported this was a move by biden administration to buy votes in places like georgia, nevada, arizona. he needs to look at the hispanic communities, they're increasingly going for president trump. hispanics voting for president trump because their communities are being attacked now, they're under siege. when you hear about gruesome attacks, woman, north of baltimore, mother of five murdered, these stories are under the headlines today. eight suspected terrorists from tajikistan connected to isis coming into the country. joe biden should be not creating more incentives for people coming into the country. that is precisely what he is doing here. larry: this is incentive for fraudulent marriage but you're quite right. the other thing, the polls we cited, there are lot of polls, the ugov poll, cbs/ugov poll,

over half the hispanics want to see complete deportation of the illegals. this is of the hispanic population in the u.s., senator hagerty, over half, 53%. they're for deportation of the illegals. what do you make of that? >> it is no surprise because their communities are being fraught with crime. that is where these people are going. that is why they're going to president trump in droves. i think president trump will see a landslide of hispanic voters, black voters this election season. it is starting very soon. the tide is turning to joe biden. this is move of desperation. this is last minute attempt to vote buy with student loan forgiveness, you name it. vote buying efforts are thinly-veiled. they will backfire like everything else he tried. larry: you're exactly right. this executive order, 2500 a day, all phony baloney. people are scratching their heads, senator, saying stop the madness. stop the madness. sorry, senator, we're out of time, we're short because of

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larry: brutal and incomprehensible crimes coming from joe biden's open border, and cow know americans -- you know american of goodwill and common sense are just begging, please, stop the mad a ifness. now we'll go over to les macdonald. she'll pick up the ball. elizabeth: larry are, thank you so much. welcome to "the evenin