positioned to meet the demands for electricity very quickly. liz: chevron, occidental petroleum as well. finally. >> yes, chevron. liz: i was saying inflation, we're getting pce tomorrow. 10 seconds sorry we're running out of time but what do you expect from that inflation gauge? >> core pce which excludes, which includes food and energy compared to what you will see tomorrow, it's up 3.7%. wouldn't it be nice if we didn't have to eat, power our cars and air condition our homes. everybody is selecting the index to suit their purpose.liz: tim,. tomorrow democrat maryland governor wes moore will join us. we end the session with green on the screen across the board. larry: hello, everyone, i'm larry kudlow.

so, optimistic vision of growth, opportunity and optimism is always a winner. i think that is going to be the big picture message for former president trump at cnn's presidential debate. successful policies will unify the country. success is always the best revenge. we'll have senator tommy tuberville in just a few moments. first up, our own grady trimble, he has got the latest from hotlanta. you're out of barbershop today. what's cooking now? >> reporter: larry, we just saw president biden at a surprise campaign stop, shaking hands with supporters. we also watched former president trump's plane take off on a video feed from the palm beach international airport. he is expected to land here next hour. so we are just about five hours away from these two men standing on the debate stage together for the first time in four years, we are eager to see what they say individually but also to see

their dynamic together. we don't know a lot about what's going to happen tonight. we don't even know if the two men will shake hands when they get on stage together. we don't know which candidate benefits if any the fact there is no audience. their mikes will be cut when their time is up. we do have key insights today from a new poll from "new york times" and sienna college. one is that trump has a four point lead on biden nationally going into tonight and the other is that voters have higher expectations for trump than they do for biden tonight. >> president trump absolutely is the front-runner in this race. he has the money. he out raised the democrats in the months of april and may. he has momentum. he is winning in all battleground states, winning with independents, hispanic-americans, and winning a large portion of the black vote now because he has a

winning message. >> reporter: tonight president biden will have to win over not just undecided voters but also members of his own party. 56% of democrats say they would prefer another candidate, that is according to a "gallup poll" also out this morning. tonight, larry, we'll listen to what the candidates have to say, but also how they say it. will the former president stick to policy discussion and kind of win over those people who might not be happy with his demeanor sometimes at rallies. and for biden, can he prove those who say he is too old to be president four more years wrong? we don't see him often without a teleprompter, without prewritten notes. this is 90 minutes of that. we'll have to see how he performs. larry? larry: we report, you decide, grady trimble in atlanta, good luck tonight, grady. all right, folks, optimistic vision of growth and prosperity and opportunity is always a winner. that is the subject of tonight's riff. ♪. seems like the entire liberal

media are rooting for mudslinging and mud wrestling at tonight's cnn presidential debate but voters completely disagree. they want issues and no one seems to be listening to former president trump who keeps saying to people that successful policies will unify the country. so i'm going to buck the media tide and suggest, well there will be some jabbing and some counterpunching in this 90 minute debate, trump's overarching theme of success to build unity across the country will be on display at tonight's debate. that is just my view. biden can do what he is going to do, i think mr. trump will come out of this as the optimist. optimists always win. trump has a strong record of low inflations significant growth, rising real wages for all working americans, closing the border, cutting taxes, overturning and overregulated

business sector, of course, bill, baby drill. seeking peace through strength in foreign affairs. on everyone of these issues, mr. biden has a very poor record. on everyone of these issues, mr. trump's successful first term shows what can be done, gives him much to build on in a second term. i would love to see trump start early by asking biden if he agrees on the tax-exempt tipping idea for waitresses and golf caddies and uber drivers and tens of millions of people in the gig economy. smoke out mr. biden early. see if he comes out against working folks. see if mr. based defends his plan for massive tax hikes, which will surely stifle growth, increase inflation, and ultimately lead to a recession. it would be an interesting ploy by mr. trump. sticking to the issues of course and he would be staying out of the mud. of course mr. trump will hammer away at the affordability crisis and hopefully in particular will talk about the housing

affordability crisis for young voters who are priced out of market, and out of the american dream and appear to be desserting joe biden and the democratic party in droves. tonight is a big night for two candidates. it is even bigger night for voters. let me repeat, an optimistic vision of growth, prosperity and opportunity, it is always a winner and i believe mr. donald trump knows that. and that's the riff. all right, having said all of that, joining us now we welcome back to the show alabama senator tommy tuberville. as always great to see you. what do you think? i'm just making a forecast. i think that is where trump wants to go. he wants to talk about success and unity. doesn't want to do mudslinging. biden will do what biden is going to do but i think trump has a clear vision here, what do you think? can he do it? >> i think he can do it, there's

no doubt because this is his forte. president trump does good off-the-cuff. i'm not sure president biden, i don't know where he is mentally or physically. we've been on recess week 1/2, been out talking to people. i have not seen people more angry and upset but looking forward to a debate than this one this is what they tell me? they want answers from joe biden, why, why have you done all this to our country, the border, crime, inflation, no gas and oil, foreign wars, why have you done this to the american people. we can't afford it. joe biden is really thefy on trial tonight. he will have to answer these tough questions. if he doesn't answer them he will be really, really trouble when it comes to november. larry: do you think it is possible mr. trump would put it to biden early on using this tax-free tipping idea which is so unpopular.

i just, so popular, rather. i just saw a poll, i think plus 65%, 70%, favor the idea of tax-free tips for the gig economy, for waitresses, and whatever. what if he smokes out biden right away, asks biden if he agrees it is time to stop taxing all these people who were working hard but need to have better after tax, after inflation income? what do you think about that? would you do it if you were debating, try to smoke him out? >> you dang right i would do it. i would bring him out real quick. because what he has done, larry, joe biden has done, he is almost ruined the middle class and middle class are people that go to work every day, don't make a lot of money, but if they do get a little extra money they would love not to have to pay taxes on it. that is exactly what is happening here with the no tax on tips and these are young people. i have talked to more young people, larry, generation-x and z, all these young people you

would say well they're all liberal and, you know, they're looking at voting democrat. they are dead wrong. these kids understand they want a better life than their parents. they see right now the direction we're heading with all of these high taxes and everything that is going on with joe biden. they're not going to have the same life that their parents had. they're exactly right if we stay down this same road? larry: that raises another important point, housing affordability has crashed. and i think for the younger kids, the voters, young voters who are working, senator tuberville, you know, i think they see the american dream as out of reach, it is very discouraging to them. they don't like it one bit. home prices are record highs. home sales are crashing. mortgage rates are too high and so forth, so on. i mean, this is something trump i think should make hay on. there is overall affordability crisis but especially with the young? >> oh, it is going to get worse

too, larry. i talked to a group of homebuilders a few days ago, they say in the very near future you will see a median sized home be somewhere 12 to 1300 square feet. i'm not talking about thousand, 12 to 1300. that is smaller than a single wide trailer. these kids are looking down the barrel of a gun paying high taxes, more taxes to pay down the debt. all these regulations, and they're going, not going to be able to afford because of the, high-rising inflation anything over 12, 14, 1500 square feet in a new home. i feel sorry for them. but we can get back to it. just give president trump a chance to get this country back going again because obviously president biden and his staff have zero answers. larry: so the other thing of course is, mr. trump's got to get to the border fast. it is a gigantic issue. some polls show it to be the number one issue. other polls say tide with inflation and the economy.

this terrible tragic murder after young woman in houston, texas, we had it in georgia, we had it up in new york. mayorkas, mayorkas has a tin ear. he doesn't know how to talk about it. biden never even talks about it. the border has become front and center and i would reckon mr. trump has to get to the border issue pretty fast also tonight? >> well you got to remember, larry, this is away game for president trump. he is on foreign soil in terms of being at cnn. he has the referees not on his side. he has all the rules going against him and, he has to make sure that he gets exactly what you said up front and close very clear and very quick in this debate and that's the border. everything else we can take care of. we can pay down the debt. we get inflation down. we can slow the crime down. we can get out of foreign wars but if we continue to open that border and president trump knows this, he talks about it every time i talked to him, if it

continues to stay open all this other stuff is mute. because this drags everything else down. people coming across having to pay billions of dollars every quarter just to take care of them. larry: it is bankrupting the country of course. innocent civilians are getting killed, which is awful too. you know what else? senator tuberville, regarding crime and law and order, seems to me the open border issue as it grows has spread crime and public safety as an issue throughout the country. it might not have been there a few years ago but now the issue of crime, law and order and public safety has become a huge issue. again, mr. biden seems to have a tin ear and i'm expecting mr. trump to go right toward it. >> oh, he should go straight for it because when you lose your streets and your neighborhoods, your safety, you can't let your kids go outside to play, you're afraid to go to the park, you can't go to the store, you're even scared to stop at a gas

station because you might get mugged at a gas station. enough is enough of this. the american people, larry. democrats are included, sick of this direction we're going. we have to stop this madness. the madness is getting worse and worse. i'm worried about the next six months even when president trump does win what this group can do to continue the downfall of our country. our country is in bad trouble. we need help. donald trump is the one going to do it. it will be tough for him to win tonight but everything is stacked against him. he has the answers. i want to hear any answer that joe biden has to the bad problems he actually started himself. larry: amen to all of that. senator tuberville, thank you as always we appreciate your time. now folks, here is an important reminder. it's still the economy stupid. so we're going to come in david malpass, my friend, former president of the, and wrote

terrific op-ed. inflation will be defining topic of thursday's debate. years, past, david, but it is still the economy, stupid. let me ask you something, if anyone is worried about inflation, wouldn't a growth solution, a prosperity solution, not root canal, growth, prosperity, new opportune for all sectors, working folks of all colors, races and creed, wouldn't you want a growth solution and shouldn't that come out tonight? shouldn't that be very much part of mr. trump's argument? >> for sure, that should be the core of the debate. you have got a growth program against a shrink program. so i think the burden is on president biden to say what of the good ideas that are out there are you willing to do any of them? one would be to stop taxing tips. one would be to allow energy production. you know has put in place this prohibition on the export of natural gas. it is killing europe.

you could lift that tomorrow. he could do that. he could refill "spro" and say he is going to, that is the strategic petroleum reserve. so that we're safe into the future. he could say, president biden could say tomorrow that wants growth and that he wants to defend the dollar. he doesn't say any of those things. so i think the burden is on him. i hope president trump can simply say my plan is to make things better. what's yours? >> i think you know, you said it too, the tax exemption for the tips in the gig economy, it wouldn't be the biggest tax cut but it would be a major tax cut and to some extent, david, it is symbolic. one candidate would be for cutting taxes on tips for working folks. i'm assuming biden would be against it. i don't know that for sure but it would be a cutting-edge issue. it is like growth versus recession. opportunity, you know, versus redistribution or squelching

opportunity. right then and there, that is why the tip thing, not taxing tips, it has enormous importance and significant all of a sudden. >> that's right. biden wants to blame businesses for being greedy and reality is, government is just too big. so one key issue for the debate do you want bigger government? try to get biden to take a stand, admit he has been for big government and more regulation. so if that can be, you know, the focus to say we should have fewer regulations. for example, just take all of the appliances. the government is intensely regulating the appliances. it puts the prices up and people can't afford new homes in part because the appliance costs are so high. so just put them on the spot. i think the burden is on biden will he do anything differently than what he is doing to make

things better? his budget is just huge, out of sight on spending s that really what he stands for. larry: optimism, optimism, growth, prosperity, opportunity. optimists always win. >> it will work. larry: david malpass, you're a great optimist himself. thanks so much. don't miss fox news simulcast of the cnn presidential debate tonight 9:00 p.m. eastern. coming up here on "kudlow," president trump held a black business roundtable at a hotlanta barber shope yesterday, right in the middle of hotlanta. he wasn't exactly there but mr. trump was there. we'll find out the real story with prominent house members wesley hunt and byron donalds next up on "kudlow." please stick around.in a ♪. you ride the line between numbers and people. what's right for the business and what's best for everyone who depends on it. solving today's challenges

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mr. trump loves byron so much he wouldn't let byron get off the phone. what happened exactly, wesley, how did this thing work and what did you all talk about? >> i want to start by saying this, president trump is a harbinger of black excellence. to be in a black barbershop talking about the issues that impact black america, that by the way also impact all americans in the exact same way it was honor to be there. the coolest thing about it, when president trump called into byron and sat on the phone for 15 minutes. how many times has a former president actually taken time out of his day to make a phone call to a barbershop to talk about the issues that impact the black community the most? it was an absolute honor to be there, to share the stage with dr. ben carson, my good, good friend, byron donalds and myself. it was absolutely outstanding. we talked about the border. we talked about the economy. we talked about small businesses and of course we talked about no tax on tips which directly

impacts every single working class person in this country, specifically barbers. if you can imagine it was an electric time. happy to be a part of it. i'm so glad my boy, byron was with me. larry: byron, by the way, i couldn't get 15 minutes on the phone with mr. trump. he just loves you but the other thing i want to ask you, byron, what do the people in the meeting have to say? what kind of stuff were they asking? you know, what was the center of gravity as you saw it? >> wesley covered a lot of it. obviously the economy and inflation, but also we were just talking about politics and politicians. you know we've been talking about how donald trump what he is focused is an agenda for all-americans, whether you want to talk up my graduation, talk education, the economy, no tax on tips he is focused on all americans. the other fact that did come up a little bit where is joe biden? where are the democrats? they are really not anywhere to be found because their agenda has been destructive of this

country. we got into media bias, some of the things that media does in their coverage, not just of donald trump but quite frankly all republicans and conservatives. they will try to dice and slice words to make somebody seem they're something they are not. at the end of the day great conversation with atlanta black business owners to hear directly from them. when donald trump got on the phone everybody had opportunity to ask their question of him. totally unscripted, totally impromptu. it was a great event, something the american people need to see a lot more of. larry: that is exactly right. wesley hunt, that is so interesting to me. president trump is going into the neighborhoods of the he is up close and personal. he is not speaking to this group or other groups, from a distance in some fancy place holed up in camp david, nothing wrong camp david, but to spend a week there preparing for a debate is not a good idea. my point is, jason riley written

about this, other people written about this too, mr. trump is first republican in memory, go face-to-face to speak with these groups and it seems to be paying off, wesley. if nothing else, it is a symbol how the top has changed? >> it mostly certainly is. president trump went to the bronx. president trump went to philly. president trump has surrogates in the country speaking on his behalf. where is joe biden surrogates? he has no surrogates. i love the fact we can draw the contrast with me, byron, dr. carson to be there for president trump in our community. the most interesting part of yesterday, interesting part, president trump's mug shot came up in the barbershop was a never surrender, president trump mug shot displayed during the entire conversation. president trump had no idea it was in there. people are waking up to what is going on. black issues are being sick and tired, sick and tired of looked

over again. we had four years of president trump. it was good. biden is complete disaster. we have the opportunity in november to make it great again. larry: byron, you have the last word, always give you the byron donalds. >> byron always gets the last word, byron always gets the last word, will mr. trump get in message out tonight, will he get in message out tonight? >> h he will larry, president biden doesn't have a message. i was in the spin room will president trump level personal attacks. contrary, attacks will come from president biden, he has nothing to stand. president trump will focus on what gets our country great again. he will be great tonight, larry. larry: that is the way i see it. he will have a optimistic, positive me h message. whatever biden does, i agree with

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>> yeah. i was attorney general of missouri when we filed this and really uncovered a vast censorship enterprise. and the lower courts called it orwellian. nothing has changed. i think the supreme court punted on this in a standing issue. it is headed back to the lower court but one thing is clear after this case, we know now, how broad this was, how the biden administration worked oversame, whether on the hunter biden laptop or efficacy of masks or covid vaccine to silence dissent. this will be relevant, this is important even here in the debate tonight in atlanta. it is interesting, joe biden likes to talk about threat to democracy. what is the real threat to democracy, censoring americans, throwing your opponent in prison, invasion of this country, 10 million people here illegally turning them into voters. this is is a good point president trump to make that putt biden is the real threat to

democracy. larry: a poll showed on issue of democracy on democracy, voters favor trump. i don't know if anyone reads the post. they're losing money hand over fist. the poll came up with a vote, if you're worried about democracy, they favor trump. why, they say, the states had no standing and so that wasn't clearly a decision in favor of the government's censorship or is there more to it than that? >> yeah, they clearly didn't endorse the idea that the government can you know coerce or even collude with these social media companies. i think what happened was, after we got essentially the restraining order, temporary restraining order and the injunction the government sort of took a step back thankfully from doing some of this activity. we've already seen indications, larry, another senator was talking about how the intelligence community is already working with the white house and social media companies to take on

disinformation, misinformation, to me that's code for things we don't like. so americans should be on guard as we roll into the election here, that the biden administration will work with some of the biggest companies in the history of the world to silence americans, to prevent them from seeing information that might damage joe biden. i think we need to have our antennas up here, be extra vigilant. larry: last one, sir, tonight is a big night and so forth. speaking of legal issues, there he goes again. so two federal court judges, actually they were obama appointees, you know what is coming, we'll have an injunction, we'll enjoin the government from canceling student loans over 10 years. this tranche was $500 billion. that ain't chump change. of course mr. biden through his press secretary said doesn't matter we'll continue to do it. we'll go out and can cancel student loans despite the supreme court said no, a couple of federal judges said no, i

might add obama federal judges, what do you make of that? law and order, sir, democracy? >> right. this is like "back to the future for me. i was the attorney general that brought the biden student loan scam case and we won. the court said you have no authority to do this. they tried to do it piecemeal, guess what? the lower court said the supreme court already spoken on this issue. they will continue to try to buy votes, larry. it is not going to work, younger voters see how more expensive their life is, how hard to get into a home, how more expensive to get into the grocery store. the desperate attempts to buy off votes are illegal, unconstitutional another court said it again. larry: all right. you're supposed to obey the law. that is what i thought democracy meant. senator eric schmitt. thank you very much. good huck tonight. let's talk a little politics. marc thiessen, former white house speechwriter. fox news contributor.

if that weren't enough we have lowery editor-in-chief of "the national review." we have power here. tell me i'm crazy, rich lowery. i'm saying, i was working with sandra smith on her show, here on this show and tommy tuberville, trump has a message everyone wants to ignore. the message is success is essentially the best revenge. that is to say successful policies grow the economy that will unify the country. >> yep. larry: now i believe he will try his best to get that message out tonight. he doesn't want to go and mud wrestle. yes he will jab back if he has to. but i think he is going to get that message out. whole media says no. they will do this -- >> they will try to provoke him, call him convicted felon continually. trump should defend him seven fiercely. you have to bring out -- trump doesn't have to land knockout blows. usually challenger running against incumbent president, you

need to make the case he should be fired. people are already ready to fire biden. the question if they want the alternative. if trump controls himself, acceptable to people he will win the debate. range of outcomes to trump, could hurt himself a little bit, help himself a little bit. biden range of outcomes are bigger, could help himself a little bit. could destroy himself. larry: get kellyanne to strap in here. right off the acela. i think parachuted here on sixth avenue. they're covering this. >> magically appear. larry: debate chair has been filled by one of the smartest people in the country. i just want to ask, mark, on this point, rich hinted at the end of his comment, this is a bigger thing for biden tonight than it is for trump, okay? biden screws up even a little bit, they will be howling. you had this i know we're not poll driven but "new york times/sienna poll"

came out today. it is worse for biden. trump's pulling away nationally much less in the swing states and on the issues this is bigger for biden, isn't it? >> it is. trump the front-runner no doubt. it is closer than we think. don't get irrational exuberance. he needs every vote. one of interesting polls, "new york times/sienna poll" asked donald trump ever said anything to offend you? six in 10 said never or not recently. among younger voters 77% said that. >> never bothered me. i want to put that -- [laughter]. >> so you know there are a lot of people who like donald trump's policies but didn't like his behavior, didn't like his temperment and all rest of that. we have four years they have not seen him, exposed to him every day. in this debate he wants to think today about the swing voter who is looking. larry: likes his policies,

thinks joe biden is disaster, but isn't quite sure if they pull the lever for donald trump. how will he per said that person, give him permission to. play it straight. larry: kellyanne, i know you were running from the train. we appreciate it very much. the intro here was, my view, actually tommy tuberville agreed with it, wes hunt and byron donalds. trump has message liberal media doesn't hear, that is success ofboys is will breed unity throughout the country. >> correct. larry: you and i talked a million times there is affordability crisis. there is housing affordability crisis. all these data points are in trump's favor. i think he will have the big picture theme, then his punches will be on the merits of those data points, what say you? >> i believe the president will channel the people's grievances and not his own. having said that folks are looking for strength and fairness. they don't see either. a strong military, strong border, strong economy, strength

for the u.s. abroad again so we feel proud when we're entangled abroad. also, fairness has become a huge governing theme in this country. so trump likes to say there is two-tiered system of justice against him, most people are saying it is not fair for plumbers and pipe fitters to pay for student loans of doctors and lawyers. not fair that 10 million people crossed southern border, number larger than the population of 40 states. it is not fair that you have men in women sports. not fair the tax system is what it is. that fairness is different when the left sells, equity, equity. equity is quality of outcomes. fairness is quality quality of opportunity. president trump promises people things will be fair, you can get ahead. folks think there is lack of control, hack of security. other thing i like to say, not just a test of wills, test of a acuity, a guilt, ability, it is test of records tonight.

look at records side by side you can choose. larry: look at numbers. >> look at president trump's personality, he is the guy promised he would be. trump is trying to unify. meeting with mitch mcconnell, telling david valadao, congressman from california voted to impeach him can i help you. larry: larry hogan. >> endorsing larry hogan for senate. i will not endorse donald trump. that is unifier. nothing unifies us as prosperity and growth for you will. people know in 201019 we had the best household income in history. including rising tide lifted all boats. folks want to get back in that. cnn thinks creating a big civic service muting donald trump's microphone. my goodness, joe biden has to speak half the debate. make mine a double. is almost 5:00 here. larry: this raises another point. biden is tucked away at a week at camp david. they set up this, this debate

set in the airplane hangar and so forth. >> yep. larry: he has got 16 advisors. of course there is probably twice as many. they're drilling him twice a day. >> yep. larry: i said this last night, i have most of my marbles left. if you made me do 90 minutes twice a day and you're throwing 16, 20 people, at me. they're all firing questions, darts numbers i wouldn't get anything out of that. i would be ruined. >> what does it speak to? lack of trust. lack of trust. larry: from his own people. >> right, exactly. probably rehearsing him walking out to the podium and walking off the podium, everything. look, 9:00 p.m. for a job jobe is 1:00 in the morning right? i wouldn't count on him totally flubbing it. i wouldn't expect it necessarily but if he, if there is major flub, especially a little weird or little funny, can be spread on social media for days afterwards that could be a torpedo to the bow. larry: mark, one other thing,

ben domenech said this last night on the show, it is interesting point, most of the people watching this debate don't believe they will be watching joe biden as president the next four years. and what he was referring to was kamala harris. >> yeah. larry: they may see biden, no one expects him if he wins toe last four years. there is kamala harris are lurking in the background for the shadows. that is a big negative for biden. have you thought about that? does that make any sense. >> 100%. this will be become a theme. that he is not the real nominee. there is not a single serious person who will tell you joe biden will finish his second term. kamala harris, if you look at social security actually aerial tables. if i was advising donald trump, kellyanne, show up at the vice-presidential debate and debate her too. she is the real nominee. >> she has turned the vice-presidency into a no-show job. most days says there is nothing on the vice president's public schedule today. how is this possible? how is she the least busy person

that we know. i think you're going to see a lot more money behind that entire notion. in fact the trump campaign is releasing two ads tonight during the debate. one is called promises. and it shows joe biden's lack of promise keeping. but it also, the second one really makes this case, that a vote for joe biden is vote for kamala harris. that's scary. if you don't believe us, believe democrats. people so excited about kamala harris as vice president, want to talk to you about the weather and your kids. they may be stand national 9 rainstorm you may not even have kids, they anything to not talk about kamala. i personally know donors, their money, treasure, time, talent behind this initiative in the fall. you have to be afraid of her because people have seen her in action. she has shed 28 senior staffers. let me make one big pitch for trump's personality. you don't get the policies without the personality. >> biden is not doing public events and kamala is not doing

public events. who is showing up in public. >> a.i. generated. larry: doug burgum of north dakota looks a lot like george washington. last thing i will say. rich lowery, marc thiessen, kellyanne conway. thank you. another tragic murder of a teenager by a illegal alien. joe biden won't talk about it. mayorkas won't talk about it. we'll talk about it with senator marsha blackburn next. appreciate it to all of you very dad: aim at the wall, but get closer. daughter: (gasps) what the?! much.

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do it all on the network made for streaming, and bring on the good stuff. larry: look at joe biden's open border killing innocent americans. joining us to talk about this, senator marsha blackburn. thank you, ma'am as always. this is verys very sad day, a funeral, jocelyn nungara killed by mexican gangs, maybe not. laken riley in georgia. the thing so amazing, secretary mayorkas refuses to take blame for it. this is about the individual, nothing to do with the border policies and his boss joe biden never mentions names of these

individuals. what is your thinking here as we head toward the debate tonight, senator blackburn? >> larry, we should say their names and we should remember them. and the angel families that are out there want us to talk about these that have lost their lives and remember them and as we go into the debate tonight, what we need to remember is that the border, that open border, joe biden's border policy is one of the top things on the minds of the american people. and they see it, they're living knit their communities. they know that president donald trump will have that border secured. it is going to be a top priority for him. and i am so grateful to be here in atlanta and be a part of the spin room for hum tonight, to make certain that that message gets out. and as i'm across tennessee and

i talk with our sheriffs and local officials, every town's a border town. every state is a border state because of the drugs, human trafficking, sex trafficking, the crime, that is coming into communities because of the open border. larry: what do you think it is, senator, here's joe biden, been in office 50 years plus, he, just not in his dna to understand what you just described, to understand the tragedy of his policies, but he never mentions the individuals. he shows no compassion or empathy with it. i've never seen anything like it, even if you make a mistake, you can still show empathy. he just doesn't do any of that. why is that senator blackburn? >> it is baffling that he does not have that ability to be empathetic and to listen to these local officials. and i have been in several tennessee counts this week,

larry, and they will talk with you, they will talk about duis are up. they will talk about crime that is up. they will talk about the heart break of dealing with families because of the drugs and the crime that they are seeing and, they know that president trump relates to this. he talked with these families and he is going to do something about it. he is going to go back to building that wall, securing that border, being certain that border patrol has what they need to secure the border and he is going to make certain that local law enforcement has what they need to do the job. larry: well -- >> local law enforcement they know that donald trump is going to be with them on dealing with this, making -- larry: thank you, senator. >> maker our communities safe. larry: we appreciate it,

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