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we're waiting to hear if former president trump will throw a curveball at biden before the cnn presidential debate and announce his running mate the distract biden and knock him off his feet p. trump's reportedly may be at the debate tonight. grady trimble is stranding by -- standing by live with the latest. good to see you. >> reporter: you too, liz. biden is now officially here. he arrived a couple of hours ago and had a bit of a surprise campaign stop where he was greeted by supporters, shook their hands, spoke to a few people. former president trump is in the air right now expected to land in the next 30 minutes or so. and this is a big night, but there are a lot of unknowns. if will the two men shake hands on stage when they first are called out? if we don't know that. how will the new rules play out? there's no live audience, and the mics will be cut unless it's that particular candidate's turn to speak. what we do know is voters have hire expectations for trump than

biden tonight. despite biden's week of nonstop preparation at camp david, a new national poll from "the new york times" and sienna college just released finds that 60%9 of registered voters say former president trump would perform very or somewhat well tonight, only 46% say the same thing about biden. >> he's going to be prepared the best he's ever going to be prepared. so what america needs to judge is this is joe biden at its very top. not where he could be president on october 7th when israel gets attacked and he's got to put a lid on it. this is joe biden preparing for an entire week for 90 minutes. so this could be the very best he's ever going to be. >> reporter: both campaigns are out with new ads today kind of giving us a preview of what we might be able to expect from the candidates once they hit the stage tonight. for biden and the campaigns that they put out, they focus on abortion, and former president trump, whether he's fit for

office. and for the trump campaign, they are going -- they are already hammering bind on the economy -- biden on the economy, and trump we expect will continue to do that tonight. trump is also expected to go after biden for his age, but there are a9 lot of questions about what to expect tonight from both candidates. for biden, liz, it's very rare that we see him for 90 minutes straight without a teleprompter, without notes. and for trump, we see him without a prompter going off the cuff all the time at his rally, but voters are going to expect a more calm demeanor from him, so the stakes are high for both men tonight. liz? elizabeth: great job as always, dwraildty. really interesting stuff. let's bring in for his reaction former utah congressman, fox news contributor jason chaffetz. jason, thank you so much for joining us tonight. jason, you know, you and i have been talking about this, no one is talking about this. what do you think about this, jason? should trump go after biden on this, that the biden white house was an historic mistake? it was the exact wrong president

at the wrong time, that biden made colossal a, epic if mistakes and botched the recovery out of historic pandemic lockdowns that threw 322 million out of work, shut down mom and pop shops -- 232 million. biden wrongly nickeled and dimed and and mandated america when it was in historic pain. he opened the borders, when instead trump would have simply unleashed america's economic might and capitalism. jason, no one is talking about this. what do you want to hear about this tonight? >> they should be, because biden's formula for success is more government and more taxes. he wants to let the so-called trump taxes expire which would raise taxeses. he opened up the border throwing millions of people into these -- all across america. the crime that's coming out of that, we see it as a daily drum beat. it's put upward pressure on housing. it's put pressure on our schools.

the inner cities if big cities can't sustain that. and what is joe biden's formula for success? what is his formula la to get us out of inflation? he doesn't have one. so when it comes to, it's what larry kudlow just said, prosperity, safety and security, joe biden doesn't have a plan oversea, he wasn't have one in our backward, he doesn't have one at a the border, is and he that has no way of tackling inflation. remember, democrats had the house, the senate and the presidency for his first two years, and they made the situation worse, not better. elizabeth elizabeth his approval dropped in "the new york times"/sienna poll, gallup has him around a 37. biden is trending below levels where george h.w. and jimmy carter lost. you know, one of the big things, jason, people are talking about is why biden needed the take a week off to prepare with 16 advisers when biden has done 28 debates since 198?

what do you want to watch for when it comes to biden's stamina and conduct? what do you expect to see? >> i expect to see a juiced-up joe ready to go, you know? just bouncing off the a walls. and so, look, why the are expectations so low for joe biden? because people have seen it for the last three and a half years. he does not have the ability to make a solid argument. he stumbles. he's just -- it's an embarrassment. look at that poll that you put up there. 60% of americans think that donald trump's going to have a better performance because he's got the energy, the vigor, the vim, everything, a better plan for america. expectations are so low. and if your expectations of your president are so low, do you really want to give him four more years? it's just going to get worse, not better. elizabeth blithe i mean, in the coverage of this, the president -- he's been in d.c. for about 50 years. he's never worked in the private sector. so the major debate flashpoints,

the economy, the border crisis that collapsed, crime, the pandemic response that was botched, overseas wars, reports that trump is going to try to trigger biden, calling him the worst president in u.s. history, and biden is going to try to trigger trump by citing the january 6th riots. jason, what do you make of that new washington post poll? more than half of voters under the age of 25 say trump is better on protecting democracy. what do you think? >> because donald trump is better at protecting democracy. it was joe biden that tried to shut down these things. look, to your point, liz, joe biden was elected in 1972. i was 5 years old trying to figure out out how to the play soccer. if you can't get it done since 1972, do we really think you just need 4 more years? that's not a winning argument, certainly not if you're a 25-year-old looking for a good job. you're ready, willing to work and you can't go out and get the jobs that you want for a variety of reasons. elizabeth: yep.

>> and you challenge joe biden, say, what is your plan, and he doesn't have one. he does not per if sonify the future. elizabeth: let's go through the polls. one poll suggests a majority of voters plan to watch, maybe 7 out of -- 1 out of 7 may be open to changing their choices. look at the polls. a new quinn by -- quinnipiac poll, trump ahead of biden by 4 points. polls show a majority of voters feel america's on the wrong track. we've got elections' guru nate silver giving trump 66% odds of winning. nate silver says polls have been extremely stable so far. they tend to be predictive at this point since, you know, both of them were on the ballot last time, and they are now known by voters. what do you make of all this? >> well, look, i give joe biden credit for showing up and actually doing the debate, because i was in the camp that didn't think he would do it. but i also think it's desperation because how else is he going to get out of the hole

that he's in? elizabeth: all right. thank you, jason chaffetz. appreciate you coming on tonight. >> thank you. elizabeth: joining us now from house education making his debut appearance on "the evening edit," michigan congressman john james. we're so excited to have you on the show, congressman. thanks for joining us on this debate night. >> of course. elizabeth: congressman, the economy, a number one topic tonight at the debate. the government just released its final first quarter u.s. gdp if realize revised to just 1.4% for the first quarter. congressman, that's down from 3.4 in the fourth quarter, 4.9 in the second quarter. economists are really worried biden may have to deal with stagflation tonight. do you think cnn's going to ask about that? >> of course not because cnn has circled the wagons around joe biden to protect his fleck fledgling and -- fledgling and flagging presidency. right now americans all over the country and especially in michigan are feeling the pain

from biden's terrible policies that have sent gas price up 55.5%, inflation up an average of to 20% over the past three and a half years. americans literally cannot afford another four years of joe biden. elizabeth: congressman, a big feature of the debate too is voters, what voters are saying. voters across the board from all walks of life, congressman, they're angry about inflation, what's a going on with the border and crime. watch a voter react the that, congressman. and then we want you to listen to nancy pelosi's wild topspin on biden and inflation saying he's great. not talking about how it's nearly 20% compounded under biden versus a around 5, 6 for president trump. you're going to hear a biden cochair claiming people are, quote, having amnesia about trump's economy. watch this. >> the country's not being run well right now. >> the basics. everybody needs work. right now they got a whole lot of immigrants out here from different places. the same thing trump was talking about a long time ago is

happening. >> people are concerned about inflation, and you have joe biden on the other side of that a screen leading the world in reducing i inflation in our country. >> i do think that people have amnesia. and as i've been talking to communities across the country for the campaign, especially latino communities, i have reminded them about what we experienced for four years under trump. elizabeth: really? look at the numbers under trump. low inflation, low gas prices, low mortgage and low borrowing rates versus rampant inflation under biden. gallup is reporting confidence in biden's economic stewardship is historically low for u.s. presidents. what do you say, congressman? >> look, these out of touch elitists had better be glad that we don't have guillotines in america. this met them eat cake moment that the democrats are having is

exactly why it's not just about red and blue, it's about us and them, haves and have nots. there are too many americans who are hurting. and meanwhile, while nancy pelosi is living high on the hog in san francisco and joe biden who has a $4.5 million place in rehoboth beach in delaware, they can afford to be insulated from the pain. real americans in my district, in my state and this country are hurting. purpose's policies that bring -- president trump's policies that bring prices down, secure our border and stabilize the world is what we need. we need strength in the white house, and we do not have that currently. elizabeth: i'm not sure they'd get out the guillotines, but they sure would be mad. trump accurately predicted -- we hear your point, and they're well taken -- that, trump said that families would lose, like $6500 under joe biden if he was elected in 2020, and now we find out the average family lost $7400 due to inflation, so trump

was right. >> trump was right on this and many other things. remember when president trump said criminals were coming as cross our border? remember when he said they're flooding us and poise s&p softening our nation and we were called racist in and now we have 110,000 people dying of fentanyl poisoning every single year, 10 million undocumented going into our communities that are flooding, and you have people kicking black kids out of schools, and then you have access to transportation, food and education that african-americans have been waiting for for 400 years, and you have illegal immigrants getting it in 4 days. you even have charlemagne the god talk about this, trump said don't build nord stream 2 or russia's going to do something crazy, and what happened? germany built it, funded russia's war in ukraine, and now we have chaos in europe for the first time since world war ii. joe biden's policies fail at home and abroad, and we need to get back on track with president trump back in the white house.

elizabeth: well, congressman, you just knocked it out of the park. we hope you come back. >> i'll come back soon. elizabeth: still ahead, congressman carlos gimenez, congressman russell fry from judiciary and oversight, "forbes" media chair steve forbes, fox news' legal analyst gregg jarrett with, "wall street journal" columnist bill mcgurn and political commentator kaylee mcghee white. we've got more details coming in on government and cia officials accused of interfering and suppressing hunter biden's laptop to help biden in 2020. we're going to talk about how that looms large over tonight's cnn presidential debate. and we're digging into a new report on why former first lady michelle obama will not campaign for joe biden. plus, new details on special counsel jack smith's team reportedly will likely be watching the debate tonight. why? also the supreme court is about to decide on trump's claim of presidential immunity. which way will they go?

and we got more news on how president biden, he likes to talk up his hometown of scranton narrative in the swing state of pennsylvania. but biden ignores that even scranton has been hit very hard by a violent crime wave now slamming small town america. and biden does even more inflationary spending of your money to send his cabinet on a campaign messaging tour nationwide to pressure you to change your mind about inflation hitting your families. how is that not a federal violation? and we've got a major pushback against a dhs secretary mayorkas desperately trying to downpray reports of 400 -- downplay reports of 4000 illegal aliens -- 400 crossing into the via a smuggling ringling linked to isis terrorists. taking it on on "the evening edit can." tonight.

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elizabeth: welcome back to the show. a major and dramatic meeting today on biden's border collapse. victims' families who lost loved ones to to fentanyl pouring across the border speaking out at a meeting in new york. bryan llenas live in new york city with the story. bryan. >> reporter: well, look, last night we spoke to half a dozen families of fentanyl victims at

the dea's third annual families' summit in new york, an event where families come together with law enforcement, public health and drug treatment officials to discuss how to solve the fentanyl crisis. and yet these grieving families don't have high expectations that this public health emergency will be talked about in a meaningful way at tonight's cnn presidential debate sigh i mull cast on fox. -- simulcast on fox. >> i hope it's brought up. i -- it's not talked about enough. >> i don't think they'll talk about it because there's still a lot of stigma. >> it's not just people that are coming across the border, it's fentanyl. and so, yes, it means a lot with this debate. i hopes it is addressed. >> i'd like to hear some kind of plan. i think we need to be much tougher on china. >> reporter: kelly's son frankie died at 20 years old poisoned by a fake percocet pi.

she says more needs to be done to empower law enforcement to go after low-level street sellers. her son's dealer fled to colombia and is now back in the u.s. free. >> back to this country, and for the next several months posted how great his life was. he is back. and i'm hoping by reopening the case they'll be able to find him, because he is in man manhattan. i know his name, i know his site, and and he has been dealing drugs. >> reporter: unbelievable. according to or the cdc, fentanyl deaths have increased 29% since 2020 to nearly 75,000. and cbp says the amount of fentanyl powder seized at u.s. borders is up 466% to more than 27,000 funds last year. elizabeth: that's enough to kill millions of people. bryan llenas, appreciate you so much. thanks for joining us tonight. let's welcome back to the show from house homeland security, and a trump 2024 campaign surrogate, congressman carlos

gimenez. congressman, let's show the images of what happened today. 12-year-old jocelyn nungaray laid to rest in houston less than two weeks after she was allegedly murdered by two illegal aliens. but congressman, no indication yet the white house reached out. also the white house not talking about illegal alien crime. we've had a horrific week of crime, of murders, rapes, kidnapping. instead, congressman, the biden team is touting border crossings are down for a 7-day period 2400 crossings weekly. what do you make of all this? >> i think they're trying to hide from the fact that their disastrous policies are now coming home to roost. and, unfortunately, it's the american people that are paying the price for these policies which we've been saying all a along long this is what's going to happen, this is when it's going to happen, can and you need to to stop what's going on at the border. they have refused to do that, secretary mayorkas, president biden has refused to enforce the laws at the border.

that's why we're facing this crisis right now. not only a crisis of american security and safety, but also your previous piece about the crisis with fentanyl. all that falls on president biden -- elizabeth: yeah. we're just showing a live shot of former president trump a arriving in atlanta for the presidential debate on cnn. a lot of people lining up to see the former president. you know, let's get your reaction to voters speaking out about the border collapse under biden. you're also going to hear dhs secretary mayorkas on this too. you know, the border is literally a crime scene. this is not a red or blue issue. this is about crime. this is about crime committed by illegal aliens. watch reporters go after mayorkas after a week of horrific stories about rape and murder, and then you're going tg basically, oh, terrorists come in all the time. wow. you're going to the hear from a voter, and you're going to hear from mayorkas can here. watch this. >> all of the millions that have

come across the border, what are you going to do with them? where are the jobs for them, where's the housing for them? >> about the immigrants, because they're human, they're people, but it's a9 hot of favoritism going towards the immigrants for some reason. and, you know, us new yorkers are keeping quiet quiet about it mostly, but i would love for them to talk about that, how they're going to move forward. because they're doing a lot of crazy stuff. >> so what would you say to reassure the american people that they are, in fact, safe. and what would you say to the families who are mourning their loved ones because of these migrant crimes being committed? >> well, let me start with you, where you ended, message the families is, of course, our hearts are with them given their suffering. elizabeth: this isn't good enough. congressman, you know, look at this. the special operations association of america warns they are, quote, gravely concerned about terror threats to the u.s. after the botched withdrawal from afghanistan and the, quote, unsecured border. 400 illegal aliens tied to an

isis smuggling ring, 50 still not caught. mayorkas downplaying that. what do you say, sir? final word? if. >> final word is that you can't trust anything that secretary mayorkas says. you can't say anything that president biden says. this is all on their lap, all on their, on their time in office. this is their policy. it was on purpose, and now the american people are paying the price. it's unconscionable, and it's just not right. elizabeth: how do you open the borders a generation after 9/11? >> you don't. i mean, it doesn't make any sense. nothing what they did made any sense whatsoever. if they really cared about the american people, if they really cared about america, what they did would not have happened but they obviously don't. elizabeth: congressman gimenez, good to see you. still ahead, "forbes" media chairman and editor-in-chief, the one and only steve forbes. look at this, president biden does even more inflationary government spending, sending his cabinet -- paying them to go on a messaging tour nationwide to

pressure you to change your mind about record inflation under him. how is this not a violation of campaign laws? plus, fox news legal analyst gregg jarrett fired up, to go. we've got a new report coming in on why special counsel jack smith's team reportedly will be watching the debate tonight as the supreme court is about to decide former president trump's claim of presidential immunity. we're taking it all on on "the evening edit." we'll be right back. stay right there. do you want to close out? should i? normally i'd hold. but... taking the gains is smart here, right? feel more confident with stock ratings from j.p. morgan analysts in the chase app. when you've got a decision to make...

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elizabeth: we've got even more breaking news. let's get right to fox news legal analyst gregg jarrett, author of the terrific book, "the constitution of the united states and oh patriotic documents," it is a must-read if you want to understand everything that is wonderful about america. gregg, here's the breaking news, it's a bombshell survey, a new poll coming out of gallup

analysis right now that's hitting biden really hard, and and here's the number. gallup says biden has the lowest number -- rather, percentage, lowest percentage of democrats saying they are happy that he is the nominee, the lowest going back to 91988 -- 1988 or, even lower than michael cue cac kiss who was the -- due cac keys who was the nominee in 1988 -- michael dukakis. biden is below satisfaction, lore than dukakis in 1988. >> well, and we me what happened with michael dukakis. he got sound isly beat -- soundly beat in 1988. nobody should be surprised by this. i mean, we found out several months ago that among democrats 73%, that's a whopping number. elizabeth: we're having some --? >> two meant -- a too mentally is and physically unfit to hold the job, and yet he is the

presumptive nominee which makes tonight's debate, liz, all the more important. how will he come as cross. frail and feeble or, you know, active and sentient? if i think a lot of people are going to be tuning in to find out the answer to that. elizabeth: again, the new gallup poll says bide -- democrats, the percentage of democrats happy with biden or have sunk to a record low. they're the trending, the percentage is now trending below what dukakis' approval was with democrats in 1988. okay. let's turn to this, greg, if we can -- gregg. supreme court announced today they're going to stretch the deadline for their opinion to next monday. it could include the immunity claim. what do you make of the report that special counsel jack smith's team on the 2020 case will likely be watching the debate tonight for what trump says? what do you think? >> well, i think they are. you know, jack smith has shown, liz, that he's unscrupulous. he's willing to contort any

remark by trump for malevolent purposes in court to help his case. and don't forget smith is the guy who got caught tampering with evidence in the florida case. he was forced to admit documents were altered and manipulated. so smith is not above manipulating an otherwise benign if comment at a presidential debate. he's done it before already in court filings, pretending that legal challenges are somehow criminal. so whatever trump says, will try to the find a way to twist the his words. but i do expect his j6 case will get neutered by the supreme court on both obstruction grounds and immunity. elizabeth: so let's go back to what the trump said in 2016 and 2020 and how the jack smith team singled out those comments. they're trying to claim that what trump said will, in these debates will prove his intent and state of mind to a jury about a peaceful transition of

power. so, you know, how can they take debate comments and stretch it to such a, you know, a global meta kind of platform? >> disinformation. [laughter] you know, he already did it in his j6 indictment. if you read it, smith suggests trump incited violence, and yet isn't it interesting he didn't charge him with that? why? because the text doesn't support it, nor was he charged with insurrection, but he tries to sully trump with inflammatory insurrectionist language. well, nobody on that day was ever charged with it because it doesn't legally apply. so what the indictment lacks in merit smith tries to compensate for with embellishments. elizabeth: i mean, nobody does it like gregg jarrett. he just is so clear, and you get it. gregg, thanks for joining us. look who's here, the one and

only steve forbes. good to see you again. >> good to see you. elizabeth: okay, this story. what do you make of biden doing more inflationary spending of taxpayer money, sending out his cabinet nationwide in 15 states to pressure voters that biden's agenda is actually lowering inflation? what do you think? >> well, it just goes to show the messages aren't getting through to him. biden economics is almost now a term of an epithet rather than a term of praise. most people feel the economy is not going in the right direction. millions of people are really struggling on their credit cards, on their mortgage payments and the like. home sales are not doing well. even people who are doing okay have no faith in the future of the economy because they realize that what biden has done is inflationary. his personal injury of inflation is going to the -- binge of inflation is going to to slow the economy next year, already has this year. you contrastst that with what trump did before covid hit, and the contrast is day and night.

one, the economy did well, inflation was low. now today inflation is still a problem and the economy is slow. elizabeth: the former president just landing, stepping out of the plane right now. he is pumping his fists, taking golf swings, he is applauding the crowd at the airport. cheering the former president on, heading now to the debate at cnn. you know, the president tonight is expected to blame businesses, steve, blaming businesses for inflation at this debate. but we've got more retail stores closing, blaming inflation. look at walgreens. "the wall street journal" reporting walgreens is looking at closing a significant number of stores. they're looking at a quarter of their stores for what to close. amazon has taken sales away. walgreens ceo said consumers are, quote, stunned by high prices. what? >> well, that's why retail sales have been -- in recent months. people had a lot of money after those covid payments. that has run out.

even when they're getting raises now, it's still not enough to keep them ahead of the price increases. so when you get bills for medical care even if you have insurance, you have high deductibles now, so everywhere you look it's not a good picture. andso biden trying to go out and say you may not be doing well, you don't think the country's going in the right direction, but you're not seeing it right. don't trust your lying eyes. elizabeth: steve forbes, come bag -- back soon. still ahead, congressman russell fry from house oversight and "wall street journal" columnist bill mcgurn. we've got more details on how hunter biden's infamous laptop the could come back to haunt the cnn presidential debate tonight and haunt president biden. and we got why former first a lady michelle obama reportedly frustrated with the biden family and not campaigning, even tweeting for president biden. but first, we want to check in with our buddies dagen and sean.

they're doing major coverage tonight for the cnn presidential debate. we want to hear all about it. great job, you guys. sean: yeah, we have a show that's going to razzle, others say dazzle, i say it's going to razzle and dazzle. elise stefanik, conference chair of the house republican conference, she's going to join us to help us break it all down. dagen: scott bessant is here, the economy, inflation, topic number one tonight. and he will discuss the beauty of maga-nomics and the disaster that is bidenomics, but every single american has already felt that the last three and a half years. can't wait. two hours. top of the hour. ♪ ♪

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elizabeth: welcome back. hunter biden's a laptop may be back in the spotlight tonight on the debate stage. it was a major flash ifpoint in the 2020 the debate. watch this. in look, there are 50 former national intelligence folks who said that what this, he's accusing me of is a russian plant. they have said that this is, has all the -- 4 -- 5 former heads of the cia, both parties, say what he's saying is a bunch of garbage. nobody believes it except his and his good friend rudy i

giuliani. >> you mean the laptop is now another russia, russia, russia -- you gotta -- >> that's exactly -- >> this is -- elizabeth: okay, wait a second. we've got a new house report. house lawmakers say at least 2 of the 51 former intelligence officials who signed that letter before the 2020 race, election rather, falsely speculating the hunter biden laptop was russian disinformation were on the cia payroll. the government later used that laptop as evidence to convince -- rather, to convict, rather, hunter biden on federal gun charges. griff jenkins has more in washington. griff. >> reporter: good evening, liz. that statement has not only been proven false, hunter's laptop also just appeared in federal court as a key piece of evidence, and this is likely coming up tonight especially after this joint report released by republican-led house committees claims 511 former intelligence officials -- 511

former intelligence officials discredited the laptop as russian disinformation. >> fifteen days before an election 51 former intel officials signed a statement with their former titles by their name, a statement prompted by the biden campaign, a statement signed by some who were on contract with the cia. >> reporter: in the report, it says former cia a deputy director michael morrell was prompted to draft that statement by a phone call from then-biden campaign official and now secretary of state antony blinken who has denied any involvement. >> well, first, one of the great benefits of this job is that i don't do politics and don't engage in it. but with regard to that letter, i didn't -- it wasn't my if idea, didn't ask for it, didn't solicit it. >> reporter: the top democrat on the house intelligence committee jim himes is blasting it. >> like so much of the jim jordan productions, it's a high december decibel, zero calorie nothing burger. they're saying the cia should have stopped these 51 people

from expressing their political beliefs. >> reporter: the cia issued a statement to fox saying these former officers were not speaking for the cia. liz? elizabeth: griff jenkins, thank you so much. let's bring in congressman russell fry and columnist from "the wall street journal,"s bill mcgurn. congressman, your to griff's report there. cia workers were reportedly upset about what happened, and these two on the payroll were not stopped in signing that letter. what do you think, congressman? >> i think, you know, obviously within the cia there were some grave concerns about what was going on, that this would be viewed politically, that protocols were ignored, that certain things that you go through to approve a statement were not actually done. and to top it all off, i think the most egregious action is that people were actually paid that might have been -- they were on contract with the cia, and so in the letter they said they had no access to classified information. that is not true. and so it is of grave concern

that you have, again, a weaponized government that is targeting it political opponents for their own benefit. elizabeth: yeah. has all the hallmarks of a disinformation campaign, huh, bill? bill, you've got to think the obamas are appalled behind the scenes about joe biden and the corruption allegationses coming out of the laptop and the impeachment probe. house lawmakers say the biden family looks like they may have made $30 million selling access to joe biden and the government. now axios is reporting former first lady michelle obama is frustrated with the bidens. she's not campaigning or even tweeting for joe biden. she's frustrated how the bidens basically iced out and exiled her friend kathleen buell over the divorce from hunter. >> yeah, i don't know about that, what the reasoning would be. but there's one general rule in washington, people flee a loser. and there's a sense that joe biden is flailing. the obamas are thinking why should i go down with that ship?

there's no loss between barack obama and joe biden. joe biden was treated like a fool at the white house when he served there as vice president, and he got into office vowing to get even, to do -- outdo barack obama. so i don't think they like each other. and their staffs don't. it's not surprise. elizabeth: you know, the former first lady, michelle obama, is considered savvy and smart. she was initially reluctant to campaign for biden, congressman frierk after he became the nominee in 2002 -- 2020. and president obama in 2015 discouraged biden from running. you know, the former first lady has reportedly a dislike for partisan politics. she likes to keep away from it. what do you think of all that's going on, congressman? >> i think you're with, i think he's exactly right when no one wants to be part of a sinking ship. here you've got a president who can't even stand on stage for

more than 5 minutes when he's doing some sort of town hall, can't answer questions of the media, i don't know how you can govern a country when you only work for two hours a day. so it's really, you know, it's really remarkable to see this split. and we never really see this amongst democrats where where they break from each other, but i'm sure there's going to be ample pressure to put her out on the campaign trail after this report. elizabeth: bill, what do you want to see tonight in the debate? >> well, i want to see a debate. even's watching to see whether biden can stand up under the pressure and whether trump will be disciplined and control himself. people want -- people regard trump like mike tyson. they want to see if he's going to bite biden's ear off in this debate. i suspect trump will be much more disciplined than people are expecting. elizabeth: congressman fry, bill mcgurn, that was terrific. we'll do it again soon, okay? it's great to have you gentlemen on. appreciate it. >> thank you.

elizabeth: still ahead, political comment cater -- commentator kaylee mcghee white. now even scranton, the boyhood home of president biden, this is biden's hometown the in the critical swing state of pennsylvania, it's hit hard with the violent crime wave slamming small town america. you don't hear biden talking about that. also this story, another far-left democrat squad member, cori bush, could potentially lose her society in the house after jamaal bowman lost his. all of that coming up on "the evening edit" next. ♪ we've always been competitive. yeah... one of us always had to be first. first! first! [continue bickering in background] hold on, guys! [car honk]

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elizabeth: back withs us now, political commentator kaylee mcghee white. it's great to have youing back on the show. okay, let's have you tackle this one. we think that crime is going to come up at the debate tonight. even scranton, pennsylvania, in the swing state of pennsylvania, that's the boyhood home of president biden, it's been hit with a violent crime wave. homicides are now doubling, carjackings exploding including at gunpoint, if cops are getting shot at in gang-relate shootings, but you don't hear biden talk about this when he talks about vanton. >> of course not, because that would reflect poorly on the

democratic policies that are causing these spikes in crime in the first place. i live in washington, d.c. where crime has been spiraling out of control for the past couple of years. as you mentioned, carjackings up significantly, robberies up significantly. but it's not just in these big cities, liz. it's also, as you mentioned, in small town america. and i hope that trump does bring this up and does point the finger at the people who are to blame for it which is the democratic officials who have passed soft on crime policies, who refuse to from prosecute criminals as they were. elizabeth: you know -- can as they could. elizabeth:s let's listen to hbo's bill maher on how far left the democrat party has a gone. bill maher is not a fan of trump. let's listen here. >> i mean, part of it the left has to own. they are aggressively anti-common sense. the democrats keep running on this one idea saying to the american people you can't possibly think you can do worse than donald trump, and they keep

saying, yes, we can. yes, we can. abolish the police, tear down statues of lincoln, maybe give communism another shot, get rid of the border patrol, get rid of capitalism, white supremacy has never been worse, gender is always just a social construct, it's okay to have penises in the women's swimming pool, in women's hiss in no, it's not that i'm old, it's that your ideas are stupid. elizabeth: your with ideas are stupid. by the way, squad member cori bush could be in trouble. she could lose her seat after congressman jamaal bowman if's primary defeat in new york. we've got a new poll by mark mehlman's group, she's trailing wesley belle in missouri. what are your thoughts about what bill maher said? >> listen, the democratic party has been hijacked by young leftist activists. it's not the party that wfs -- it was during my grandparents' generation. i think of my in-laws in ohio

who traditionally voted for democratic candidates every single year, but a few years ago something changed when they realized that the democratic party was no longer interested in representing them and that it was actually push an agenda -- pushing an agenda completely contrary to their views culturally and economically. this is what many americans are coming to realize. and i think jamaal bowman's loss is a recent example of which. george latimer ran largely on the basis that he wanted to be the normal guy in congress, and people responded to that. they don't want the far-left craziness anymore. elizabeth: return to liz: return to craziness and return to normal. kaylee mcghee white, thank you for joining us. that's if for "the evening edit". you've been watching elizabeth macdonald. now to dagen and sean on the bottom line. dagen: thanks, emac.