i think those assets will do well as the yield curve uninverts, as the fed lowers rates. the same thing happened in 2000s. they raised rates in 2000 and then they cut. liz: we're bumping up against the closing bell, if tariffs come for chinese goods to either biden or trump do you still like chinese stocks, yes or no. >> yes we do. if you look under the trump administration chinese stocks did very well. they're too cheap to ignore. liz: john good to he sue new york stock exchange thank you, liz. good to see you. liz: the closing bell, the s&p, yes they clock brand new record highs. [closing bell rings] big moves for both of those indexes. rest of broader market closing in the green. tomorrow a shortened trading day but fox business is open for business. tune in. "kudlow" is next. ♪. >> hello, folks i'm kudlow,

welcome to larry kudlow. trump's sentencing has been delayed until september 18th. lydia hu has the details. the beat goes on. >> reporter: busy day in juan merchan's chambers. weighed in on the sentencing matter in the new york criminal case. it is now delayed to september. otherwise would have happened just next week on july 11th. this delay after manhattan prosecutors earlier agreed to a postponement of the sentencing requested by lawyers for president donald trump, only hours after yesterday's landmark supreme court ruling on presidential immunity. now trump's lawyers asked for delay in the sentencing so they could believe the court on immunity. they want to argue that trump's conviction for felony

falseification of business records must be set aside after yesterday's decision. so take a look at this. here's the new timeline we'll pull up on the next series of events to look out to, look out for. later in july we have the briefing due from defense attorneys for trump and prosecutors. then september 6th, is when juan merchan is going to decide this motion, how immunity impacts this new york criminal conviction. later, just four-days, i believe on september 10th, we'll have the second presidential debate, if you can believe it. the following week is when we're going to have the sentencing in this new york criminal case. so a lot packed into two weeks coming up in september. now, what exactly are the trump lawyers going to argue in their briefing? well the supreme court ruled that a former president is immune from prosecution based on official acts but it also ruled that prosecutors cannot use evidence that involves official acts to prove other claims. trump's lawyers claim that is exactly what happened in this

trial. they say the jury was able to hear evidence relating to official acts like, witness testimony about event inside the oval office. that is madeleine west and hope hicks. social media posts during president trump's term in office. told of records of calls involving trump while he was in office of 2017. recall trump was convicted of 34 counts of falsifying business records. this was the first criminal matter to reach trial. but now sentencing delayed in an unexpected twist. not past the election but right up against it. the other cases now delayed it seems past the election. so much to keep track of, larry. we'll keep you on top of it. larry: wow, all i can say, lydia hu, we really appreciate it. joe biden is now running against the supreme court and that's a big mistake and that's the subject of the riff. ♪. it now looks like joe biden and the democrats will run against the supreme court in the name of democracy of course, ha, ha, ha.

this is a big mistake. the court's decision to give president, any president by the way, absolute immunity from civil suits for acts within the outer perimeter is not even remotely radical. it was mainly taken from the nixon versus fitzgerald court opinion way back in 1982. similarly the court followed the constitution to offer absolute immunity for actions within the core power of the executive. this is actually something that could benefit joe biden or any other president. the court opined that a president has only presumptive immunity outside of his core powers and unofficial acts have no immunity. so mr. trump didn't get everything he wanted but he did get a good deal but it's a deal to protect the chief executive historically for all time. without question, these opinions will pin special counsel jack smith's ears way back.

mostly because smith went way beyond the constitution in the first place. and at a minimum all these court cases including alvin bragg's sham trial in new york, the j-6 in washington, the classified documents in south florida, and the crazy rico lawsuit in atlanta, georgia, all of them will be pushed way back beyond the election and some may be tossed out all together. i will leave the forecasts to the lawyers but the key point is that biden and the democrats, running against the supremes has nothing to do with the key issues driving voters. this election is going to be about kitchen table issues. the affordability crisis, high prices, huge borrowing costs and falling real wages. add to that, biden's open border catastrophe with its horrific crimes, murders, rapes and general criminality and the breakdown of public safety throughout the country. add to that the public's re--

rejection of woke progressive policies which threatened traditional family values. the attack on the supremes has nothing to do with a world on fire during the biden presidency. americans yearn for peace and prosperity. they want a strong, capable, energetic president at the helm. they want toughness. biden's lawfare campaign against mr. trump has been a losing issue from the get go. if anything it helped the former president. in a sense, the supreme court decisions in recent days simply confirmed in voters minds just how phony and politically motivated the trump lawsuits always were. biden's legal weaponization attack on trump has been dead in the water for quite some time. take a close look at all the polls. yes, biden badly lost last week's debate because of his clear cognitive impairment and overall breakdown which itself

is something voters observed for many months, even as the liberal media tried to cover it up, but and it is an important but, while biden lost the debate, mr. trump won the debate on the issues. trump was on message, concerning voter worries about inflation, the economy, the border, when biden talked about january 6 in the debate, here's donald trump's brilliant answer, take a listen to this. >> on january 6th, we had a great border. nobody coming through, very few. on january 6th, we were energy independent. on january 6th we had the lowest taxes ever, we had the lowest regulations ever. on january 6th we were respected all over the world. larry: those were the issues and recall when biden started up again about so-called trump retribution, here was another brilliant answer from the former president. >> my retribution is going to be

success. what we did was incredible. we rebuilt the military. we got the largest tax cut in history, the largest regulation cut in history, the reason he has got jobs because i cut the regulations that gave jobs but he is putting a lot of those regulations back on. all of the things that we've done -- larry: the supreme court will not be on the ballot. donald trump will be on the ballot. even on the issue of democracy, trump has a significant lead in the polls. mr. biden will do anything to avoid and distract from the key issues on which he has such a poor track record. mr. trump is saying that his policies, his strength, his energy, will bring great success to the country. and success will be a great unifier and that something voters yearn for. biden can attack the supremes as much as he wants. mr. trump is putting together a massive working class coalition that can bring him to victory.

and that is my riff all right. joining me leo terrell, civil rights attorney, fox news contributor and andrew cherkasky, a former federal prosecutor. welcome, gentlemen. mr. it rel, they're all running from the hills. they're running away. all of sudden everything is pushed back. lo and behold alvin bragg in new york. what do you make of this leo, what is cooking here? >> larry, that was a perfect opening statement, package it up and give it to trump. larry: thank you. >> let me tell you right now, president trump has had a perfect week. a perfect week not only from the debate and supreme court ruling. you see the rippling effect. five minutes after that ruling, trump should file a motion to set aside the new york fake hush money case and it is happening, because that case was built on evidence that is inadmissible

per the supreme court ruling. i want you to understand other thing with judge her khan's ruling, if necessary, if necessary, you know why? that may not be necessary. that case should be thrown out because that case was built on false inadmissible evidence. when you have that, you have the situation with the january 6 case, all these political cases that were motivated by politics and not justice, are on life-support. they are dead on arrival. it has been a great week. none of these cases will have any effect prior to the election in november when trump becomes president, larry. larry: you know, that's, by the way, andrew, another point, don't forget the enron decision friday by the supreme court. they took that out, it was crazy. this was meant for financial issues, sarbanes-oxley and the enron scandal, not for people on the lawn of the capitol.

let me ask you, what's mr. trump done wrong? you look at all these cases. you look at what the supreme court said which is what many lawyers have said. it wasn't that radical. i mean it was based, my reading, i'm not a lawyer, it was nixon, i was reading the actual decision, nixon versus fitzgerald back in 1982, trump didn't get everything he wanted in this case. almost a moderate compromise if you will, given that, what has trump done wrong and what happens to these cases. >> there was nothing extreme or over the top with the supreme court decision this week. in fact it holds that's what we've seen in our country throughout the history of our country. there never before has been genuine conversations of prosecuting former presidents even though a great number before acts been committed over the years one party or the other could have seen as criminal. in fact in 1980s we have the nixon decision which says that civil penalties can't be imposed on a president, typically criminal sanctions would be higher than that so this is

nothing extreme there. i see the left essentially trying to create some histrionics, some hyperbole to motivate their base but the supreme court is doing its job looking what the law is. it is taking a long time for trump to have his fair day in court, to have due process work his way. i see that as a criminal defense attorney, it takes a long time to win and unravel prosecutions that are unjust in the first place but that's what we see happening. i think we'll see that all the way up to the election. i think there is genuine question whether that sentencing will ever happen before the election. larry: i mean, leo, come back to that, i don't think any of these cases will come to trial before the election and as you're suggesting, i think you're both suggesting some of this stuff will be tossed out all together. so this is the total failure of biden's weaponization, if you will. that's the total failure from the get-go. i saw "washington post" poll in the swing states.

trump comes out ahead on democracy but really you think this stuff will get tossed out all together, leo? >> i believe so the first threshold is this, everyone in this country knows, larry, that these cases were motivated because they did, democrats did not want president trump to run for re-election. that's the entire motivation. these cases could have been brought earlier but they timed them and it was wrong. they have lost the motivation per the supreme court ruling. that new york case to me it's dead because again, how do you segregate the inadmissible evidence? jack smith will not have the opportunity to generate a case prior to the november election. trump will have the right to appeal any adverse ruling at the district court level. and the january 6, the classified document case, larry, judge canada is doing her due diligence to make sure everything is taking place and being fair to both sides.

not one of these cases, save this tape, not one of these cases will see a come trial date prior to the november election. larry: we'll save the tape. we save all the tapes, leo. that is kind of what happens. we're all in trouble on this if they ever pull it back. andrew, in this decision, again i was reading it last night, heavy going for an economics guy, not a lawyer, but, the opinion, wait, it was justice thomas who raised the issue that jack smith shouldn't be special prosecutor in the first place, a reference to the ed meese, michael mukasey amicus i guess to the decisions in the south florida and judge eileen cannon is going to look at that. is there a chance that jack smith may be thrown out. the cases may be thrown out but what about his standing? >> we have a lot of steps to get

there before he is directly challenged. a lot of evidence and evidence will be challenged first. jack smith that appointment would should be deeply unsettling to the american people. larry: i was never confirmed by senate. >> that is right. he was never elected, confirmed. he is barely on the payroll as it goes for idea of officers of the united states. there is a special trust and a special process that goes through. i think the idea we have one person being appointed to this position by the political enemy of former president and not go through a democratic process is its own right an attack on democracy. that is the sort of thing that the left is screaming about when it comes to donald trump but that doesn't seem to be all that consistent. it is inherently contradictory because we have, it is not just jack smith. we see it with other special counsel appointment as well. the doj is run by the president of the united states. that's what the supreme court said. larry: it is time to look at that stuff because it runs

rampant, right? you can't keep using this as a weapon. it may be illegal, certainly it violates due process. certainly seems like it violates due process. i mean if judge cannon does rule on this it would be a good thing once and for all because you can't keep having special counsels, special counsels. it is crazy. >> they will go absolutely crazy if she actually goes through that direction. it will go through appellate process t will work its way up. when you really look at the jack smith issue we have to look at the joe biden issue. he is in charge of the doj he continually denies his involvement in various prosecutions related to donald trump but he is in charge. he sends those messages from the podium like yesterday, keep on pushing against donald trump. larry: i watched it. four 1/2 minutes off the teleprompter, then he shuffled his way out. wasn't much to me. thanks gentlemen. leo terrell. andrew cherkasky, thanks very much. coming up here on "kudlow,"

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larry: the liberal media keeps pushing sex, lies and videotape but i just want to know is there a recession in the making? joining us steve moore, committee to unleash prosperity hotline, host of "moore money" on wabc radio and mike falkander, chief economist at afpi, former assistant treasury secretary. gentlemen, welcome. falkander, i want to start with you. i want to get to all the lies in a second but you get a string of really bad economic numbers. the atlanta fed is now down to 1.7% in the second quarter which ended, which just ended june 30th. we only had 1.4 in the first quarter. ism manufacturing is coming down big time. housing is cashing left and right. the labor market is weakening. retail sales, consumers look

like they're slumping. what do you think about that, falkander. are we heading for recession or not? >> you know, larry. >> i've been thinking that the private sector has been in recession for a while. it is really the government spending keeping the economy going. if you look what is going on in manufacturing, business services, a lot of these industries have not been really seeing job growth. instead it has been for a number of months now, really centered in health care, in government spending, in social assistance, things very much funded by government and as we've discussed before the biden administration is so intent on filling the economy with government money just to keep the economy going that would see it immediately on the horizon but this cannot sustain itself. at some point the government will have to pull back and that's when i think a recession is likely. larry: so that was a no? [laughter]. >> we're not, we're not immediately, no on verge of a

recession. there is too much government spending. larry: it was kind of a yes or no question. steve moore, you want to take a whack at that? >> no. i don't think we're going to get a recession anytime soon but i think you made the point where we've got this kind of secular stagnation where the economy, how many months in a row has it been we've had this growth rate of one, 1 1/2% when we got to be growing at two to three times that rate, larry? you and i, michael believe we can grow the economy, 3 1/2, 4% with the right policies. biden has so, just putting bricks on the back of the economy that are weighting it down but i'm not going to predict a recession. we have a pretty robust, we have a robust industry in america and i think that the technology industry and the a.i. industry is carrying the market right now. i don't know if you noticed that. you take out the a.i. industry we wouldn't have a much of a

stock market today. larry: i notice nvidia. maybe that will keep the stock market up and the whole economy up. >> yeah. larry: steve moore, you will love this. you like it too, falkander. let's play tape, joe biden sex, lies videotape. >> look what i was left when i became president, what mr. trump left me. we had an economy that was in freefall. the economy collapsed. there were no jobs. unemployment rate rose to 15%. it was terrible. larry: all right, steve moore. economy was in freefall, really, freefall? it is funny, i sort of remember v-shaped recovery. mr. biden says freefall. what do you say, steve moore. >> you know one of the things that was interesting about that debate people talk about how incoherent biden was, he was was incoherent half the time. i was more disturbed what he said when he was coherent, not inco hern. he put out these lies. one thing that surprises me, maybe i shouldn't have been surprised. biden was incoherent, trump

lied. biden was incoherent and he lied. most of the statistics he put out are obviously wrong. we didn't have 15% unemployment under trump. we had one of the lowest unemployment rates for all races. another one that sticks in my craw when biden and the media said, you know trump caused the inflation. what are they talking about? the last four months that trump was in office inflation rate, ready for this larry, 1.4%, 1.4%, 1.3, and 1.4%. how is that, then biden takes it 18 months later 9.1% and that is trump's fault? you have economic ignoramuses in the white house and the media are misreporting what really happened. larry: you make a good point. the only thing worse than his inco americans was his coherence. i agree with that. mike falkan did i, he said trump was the biggest borrower.

some of the media picked that up. "wall street journal" wrote about that, not editorial page, the news reporters. was trump the biggest borrower? did he create more debt than biden? >> no, not at all, larry. a lot of debt issued during the pandemic. prior to that we were not issuing -- deficits we were running not all of that extraordinary. if you look at the largest, the four largest deficits we have had, three of them have occurred under the biden administration. the other one was during covid. and so, then if you look at all of the spending that they have enacted, whether it be the ira, or just increase in discretionary spending that has taken place, if you look at the cbo forecasts where debt is going compared to what biden came into office with it has just exploded. they're only looking at numbers been issued so far. they're not looking at projections arising from all the actions biden is taking. so the debt record is much stronger for president, for

president trump in terms of the amount that was being borrowed. it is biden really put us on a path to devastation. larry: i think that janet yellen, treasury secretary janet yellen is the biggest bond salesman in the history of the republic. i really do. she is selling more bonds. since alexander hamilton was treasury secretary. gentlemen, thank you, steve moore, mike falkander, we appreciate it very much. folks, coming up, has joe biden become a national security risk? we'll ask north dakota governor doug burgum next up. remember "kudlow" available as a podcast. episodes every weekday right after the show on spotify, apple and foxbusinesspodcast.com. i will be right back.

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♪. larry: all right, sort of breaking news. the white house held its first briefing since the debate. so our own intrepid edward lawrence, he has all the

details from the white house. afternoon, edward. how are you? what is going on? >> reporter: larry, it was first one in the briefing room, first one on camera since the debate. white house press secretary karine jean-pierre held, peppered with questions about the president's competency and here was her answer, listen. >> we're not taking away from what you all saw, what the american people saw. we understand. it was, a bad night. it is not uncommon for incumbents to have a bad night on their first debate, and we are going to continue to do the work that we have been doing on behalf of the american people. >> reporter: so when asked she says the president does not have alzheimer's or dementia. in the one official public event president biden held today, spoke after a briefing on hurricane barrel, and the extreme nation. he again used teleprompter for these remarks. we have the first democrat pub hickly calling for president biden to step aside in the

election. so far the message from the white house, this president had a bad night, was overprepared, and that got in his way. to the president's speech last night, using the teleprompter he accused the supreme court being political and tried to scare americans what the ruling means. republicans say that was shameful. >> this guy has the unmitigated gall to talk about the powers of the presidency. he has abused those powers every step of the way. i don't care what he has to say. the truth is when donald trump was president he lived within the confines of presidential power. he obeyed supreme court rules. >> reporter: president joe biden will do his first since the debate one-on-one interview with abc news that will be on friday. the white house press secretary also confirming that hunter biden sat in own at least one meeting with the president and his top aides. that is in preparation for that speech you saw last night. that is confirmation she says, we will see more family members

around the white house because this is a holiday week. back to you, larry. larry: edward lawrence, thank you very much. joining me north dakota governor doug burgum. welcome back, governor burgum. this issue, president biden's performance at the debate was so bad, last nights he read the teleprompter four 1/2 minutes and shuffled away. as you know u.s. military bases in europe has been put on alert for possible terrorist threat. my question to you is now mr. biden a national security risk because he looks so weak and, if you will, almost ill? is he a security risk, sir? >> absolutely, larry, he is a security risk, biden is for america. he is on multiple levels. one is, as was just said, america, not just america that can't unsee what we all saw last thursday night but putin was watching, xi was watching. the ayatollahs were watching.

any of our adversaries around the world saw that performance and they look at someone who is not able to get through a debate much less serve out the rest of his term potential itly, certainly, there is nothing that would indicate he could serve four more years beyond that. but if they're thinking this guy has only five or six months left in office if you're planning from their side, you say let's go now. because they know who is coming next, president trump is has strength where joe biden is weakness. so that's one, is it just himself as a security threat but his policies, you and i talked about, his energy policies were funding russia and iran, funding two proxy wars we're in against those countries they're funding their side of it with joe biden's energy policy. china benefits from that. last hi are the thing that was the most hard breaking of all watching that debate, when joe biden looked in the camera, said nobody died on his watch. i thought as commander-in-chief of our national guard who lot of people in the war on terror he

is trying to erase memories of these young men and women who died like in afghanistan withdrawal and out there talking during a debate to gold star mothers saying basically your child didn't exist because nobody died on my watch? i mean how demoralizing, if you're watching that debate around the world, in uniform for the united states of america, that was our commander-in-chief, we've got a risk to national security. who will enlist in the armed forces if this is the guy who is commander in chief? he is a security threat on multiple levels. larry: governor you're on the short list of vice president, on a-list, short list, your name is in every single article. i know president trump thinks the world of you, just tell us in your mind, what would you bring, if you were put on the ticket as vice president, what would you bring to that ticket? >> well, larry i appreciate that the question, but i think again there is one person that gets to

decide. that is president trump. he will make a great decision. he will figure out at the time of his choosing among a bunch of great candidates who will bring what he needs for the country and he will choose the right governing partner, he will choose the right person that can help him win an election. the thing that we've been focused on, i've been focused on, every american should focus on, is getting president trump elected. thank goodness there have been some big wins with the supreme court on friday and yesterday, going forward because you know the biden lawfare is falling apart. the democrat party is in complete freefall. it wasn't just a bad debate. they're trying to compare biden's thursday night performance to obama years ago, it is just a bad debate? everything they do it continues to be support the big lie that somehow joe biden's capable of doing this job physically and mentally today. i think americans are starting to see through that. i don't know how they will get a single donation into the democrat party right now.

who would write a check to biden-harris if they don't know what is going forward? they created a bunch of people like jfk to be part of the mix. they could have fully competitive primary, beat joe biden in a primary. now they stuck with it. they created a walled garden to protect him. they will have to live with it. back to your question, our adversaries could probably look at that, president trump will be the next president. he was so strong when he was in office. if we do something bad we better do it now while joe biden is in office canned respond. larry: mr. trump, great respect for successful ceos. you're former ceo of a successful company. you've been ceo of the state of north dakota, does that put you head and shoulders above others you mentioned? >> i can't comment on the comparison. it is accurate i had a lot of opportunity in leadership as an executive in private sector and

in the public sector. again you will never see me as senator or congressman. i'm a operating guy. i like to get stuff done. i know that president trump, when he gets in office he will get a lot of stuff done. i think he will have a lot of talent in the next administration up and down and he is going to get so much done right out of the blocks. people will be surprised on how fast he can turn this country around. larry: all right. thank you, governor burgum, we appreciate it very, very much. good luck on the campaign trail. switching gears we'll talk some politics with alex marlow, editor-in-chief of "breitbart news," and chris bedford, senior fellow at the common sense society. boy, we need some common sense so that's a great thing. alex marlow, you probably heard governor burgum, he was really humble, he didn't want to tout himself. there is another name surfacings a dark horse for veep, want to get your take on it, that is governor glen youngkin of

virginia. prolific fund-raiser, very good state ceo. virginia is very much in play. what do you think about youngkin for vice president, alex? >> yeah. young kin has a compelling narrative. he could definitely put virginia in play. i think he is someone the more moderate wing, establishment wing in the republican party could get excited about. that could make it so they might be more inclined to vote for a president trump reluctantly if they're on the fence but you know i think from what i've heard he is not toward the tum of the list. the names i'm hearing are burgum and jd vance. vance offers pretty historic opportunity, i told president there, part of america first movement on the ticket. i don't know if youngkin has enough time to move up. he certainly has his fans. larry: all right. chris bedford, joe biden will run against the supreme court, good idea, bad idea? >> doesn't seem like this is a very good idea right now. i mean the democratic party's

pitch to the american voter in 2020 was they were the party of normalcy, and of values and of standards, they would bring us back to a age of civility. if you're an american voter who just tuned in for the first time on thursday, you saw the president of the united states drooling on stage, not able to control his facial expressions, then you turn around see joe biden, see alexandria ocasio-cortez talking about impeaching the supreme court justices, that's a really hard pitch to make when someone is looking up from their work desk you're now the person who represents normalcy. you're the return to civility. it seems to put holes, good with the democratic base, some of the activists, pokes holes with a lot of independents who somehow remain unconvinced. larry: i don't see what that has to do with kitchen table issues, falling real wages, high prices, gasoline, fires are raging across the world. the supreme court, really, going to run against that? doesn't make much sense to me. you know, alex, come back to

you, i don't know if you saw this, maine congressman jared golden, he is a moderate democrat from maine, has written an op-ed pies for the bangor, maine newspaper, bangor, maine, newspaper. titled, donald trump will win the election and democracy will be just fine, alex. he is jumping ship on this, alex, what do you make of that? >> this is kind of wise words. if you look at the debate performance and you see the paths to replace president joe biden are almost all impossible, we could spend an hour going through all of them, this looks like be an l for democrats, the smart move, be classy, take the l and regroup. they're in such headwinds for the rest of the year. this is the first kind of sense call take i've seen written out making that case. larry: yeah, chris, there is another one, lloyd dogett, moderate democrat to the state

of texas, he is out there saying that biden should not run. i believe he is the first congressman to say biden should not run, what do you make of that, chris? >> it is beginning of the break in the dam. you know for the first few days after the debate, there was a lot of fantasy coming out of the democrats and supporters in the media, idea they could swap joe biden out for gavin newsom or gretchen whitmer and anyone else. that is fantasy talk. if you get rid of joe biden you will be pretty much stuck with kamala harris. democrats are coming in line with that. you saw congressman james clyburn integral for joe biden winning joe biden in the first place. you cannot skip over kamalla. you have money locked up in the campaign needs to go to kamala. if democrats want to have any kind of a shot, recognize he is running with joe biden, he is stepping aside voluntarily, with someone whose unpopularity rivals mitch mcconnell.

larry: alex, 30 seconds, if you vote for joe biden, joe biden were to win the race you mite still get kamala harris. i see that as a big handicap for the democrats? >> it is huge. kamala polls tearily. your record, she couldn't get a delegate in the primary, despite being a prolific fund-raiser. beloved by silicon valley, establishment class, donor class. democrats are in a pickle here. chris is the absolutely right. kamala is only easy person that can step in and she is not liked by the american public. >> thank you, gentlemen. alex marlow, chris bedford, appreciate it. we'll talk to the great jonathan turley free speech in an age of rage, how about that? stick with "kudlow we'll bed right back chase freedom unlimited. so, if you're off the racking... ...or crab cracking, you're cashbacking. cashback on flapjacks, baby backs, or tacos at the taco shack.

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larry: let's talk about free speech for a moment. joining us now the great jonathan turley, constitutional law attorney, fox news contributor and author of the new book, the indispensable right, free speech in the age of rage. first of all, jonathan, welcome. i love to sell books but this is a very timely discussion, free speech in the age of rage. i just read the blush. i don't have the book. i'm a poor, starving anchor, i

will probably have to go out to fund raise for it, but tell us a little bit about this book and tell us about free speech in the age of rage? >> you know, larry, thank you very much for having me on to talk about the indispensable right. it is a book that is 30 years in the making because i didn't want to complete this book until i could explore why we call this indispensable. we all agreed with louis brandeis this is the indispensable right. why it is indispensable. why we continue to struggle so mightily with free speech. this book talks about the personalities, periods that helped shape free speech. it looks what i think is the most anti-dangerous free speech period in our history. that is because we have never faced an alliance of the government, academia, media, corporations and we're seeing a regression of free speech across the country and frankly i think

you could arguably say that joe biden is the most anti-free speech president since john adams. if you look at the history as the book does, we're looking now at an existential fight over free speech. there are law professors pushing for rewriting, amendment to the first amendment. one of my colleagues says it is excessively individualistic and has to be balanced against notion of equity. books out that we have to get beyond free speech. that free speech is dangerous. in academia, we saw this build for years. this is where the movement came from. they purged faculties of libertarians, dissenting voices republicans. how some professors committed suicide after being targeted by the left. we have to come to grips with this. that is what the book explores. larry: if you dissent on climate change or you dissented on covid, or you dissented on

donald trump everybody comes down on you from the government on down and, i was disappointed what the supremes said that the government could jawbone social media for example, on speech and so-called disinformation. i mean that's part of it today and that can't be good. >> no, it's not good. what this book strives for is clarity. it suggests ways that we can have a a awakening. free speech is in our dna. polls show the public doesn't want censorship. the book argues that free speech is it a natural right. it completes us as human beings. it doesn't come to us from the government. we have to reembrace that. that was the view of the founding and we lost it early on but we also have to come to grips with this massive anti-free speech movement that has taken hold of our government, our higher education institutions and the media. larry: i mean, just looking at

the trump stuff in the lawfare and weaponization and so forth, i mean, they tried to gag donald trump. i mean isn't that part of the free speech revolt? i mean they're trying to gag the guy. >> right and actually the book talks a great deal about those efforts and why they're so dangerous. in fact, one of the things the book strongly indicates, i said this in a recent column based on the book is that you know, the book goes, indispensable right goes into the historical periods including the adams period. adam was defeated by thomas jefferson in the 1800 election who ran on free speech. jefferson ran on the crackdown by adams on free speech and won. if donald trump was smart, as with his, the others running against joe biden, they would make free speech a central issue in this campaign. it transcends the political divisions we have today. larry: jonathan turley, terrific.

free speech in an age of rage. i will fund raise so i can read it too. thank you, jonathan. be back with my last the thing you care about most .

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