you anticipate what the fed might do? >> i think the fed is on hold right now. everyone is calling some people were saying earlier, three cuts right now. they're begging for rate cuts. be careful what you wish for. they will see it when weakness in housing, employment, muted number. i got 5%. they wish they did and wished they owned it right stocks instead. i don't think the fed is doing anything. i think the clues for the fed easing are not coming this month and next. liz: jordan kimmel. always a pleasure. [closing bell rings] there is the closing bell. with 10 seconds left to trade, looks like s&p and nasdaq will not see gains. dow, russell moving higher. tomorrow airbnb ceo brian chesky. don't miss it. ♪. larry: hello, folks, welcome to "kudlow," i'm larry kudlow.

so in the first days of the campaign kamala harris already steered to the left. we're going to talk to david malpass and scott best ant in a few moments about that and some other things. first up our own edward lawrence standing by at the white house t wouldn't be a good day without edward lawrence at the white house. what is cooking my friend? >> markets might not think it ace good day. we were up 200 points, now we finished 88 points. the market lost its steam. the stream by the administration look past, ignore 19% increases in prices since president joe biden and vice president kamala harris came in office. in a statement about gdp that came out today, thanks to my and vice president harris's economic agenda the economy grew robust 2.8 last quarter based on strong american consumers and business investment. he neglected to mention government spending adding to

the gdp. the vice president cheering on the economy into the shape it is today with no specifics. >> today we face a choice between two very different visions for our nation. one focused on the future, and the other focused on the past. and we are fighting for the future. >> reporter: fighting for fat it ture. she cast the deciding vote to pass the american rescue plan which pushed inflation. the vice president moved along the inflation reduction act. supporting all spending president signed into law. people are still struggling to pay bills. >> there is a new cnn poll out that says 39% of adults worry most of the time or all the time that their income will not be enough to meet expenses. prices are up 19% since president biden and kamala harris the vice president came into office. how long do americans have to

wait until this worry goes away? >> look, too many families are still struggling to make ends meet. that is something that the president understands. that is why he works every single day to make sure we address these issues for hard-working americans. reporter: still no answers to exactly when the higher prices would come back down. larry? larry: all right, thank you very much, edward lawrence. so folks, tax cutters always win, tax hikers always lose. that's the subject of the riff. ♪. larry: the lead "wall street journal" editorial today reads, in her campaign debut kamala harris steers left. nobody should be shocked at this. she talked about student loan cancellations, new entitlements, for health care, child care, seniors, and more progressive culture war, banning guns, overriding state abortion limits. of course tax hikes on successful earners and businesses. oh, let's into the forget the ban on oil and gas fracking.

all this befit as good solid, left, liberal progressive from san francisco, a big government california socialist. this is at the very beginning of the campaign. now, here's one i nearly forgot. kamala-flation. hat tip to "breitbart"'s john carney, quote. how harris caused inflation by casting decisive votes for the biden's economic agenda. very important, vice president harris cast the decisive votes for joe biden's two biggest, most inflationary spending sprees. in march of 2021, she cast the tie break vote for the so-called american rescue plan. that is a $1.9 trillion special and that's what launched a 9% inflation rate and still today the long tail of that inflation surge has caused a affordability crisis with cumulative inflation up 20% and a more than 4% drop

in average weekly wages for middle class working folks. but even that was not enough for the bidens insatiable spending appetites. in august 2022 vice president harris cast the tie-breaking vote for the $1.2 trillion misnamed inflation reduction act. judging by her first days on the campaign trail, there is more of that kind of overspending and borrowing should she ever be elected president. she never talks about economic growth or make the economic pie grow larger. those are two staples of mr. trump's economic platform. in fact, the contrast between trump's tax cuts, deregulation and drill, baby, drill and kamala harris's tax hikes, big government spending and war on fossil fuels couldn't be any clearer. on these economic issues, mr. trump has a huge advantage. i've always believed that tax

cutters win while tax hikers lose. just call it growthier. all right. joining me now is david malpass, former president of the world bank group. we're looking for scott best ant, we'll plug into him in a minute. david, thanks for coming on set. let's play some sound from miss harris on the campaign trail. here it comes. >> donald trump and his extreme allies want to take our nation back to failed trickle down economic policies. [booing] back to union-busting. [booing] back to tax breaks for billionaires. larry: all right. failed trickle down policies, unions, i forget what the third one was, failed trickle down policy, david malpass? you were former undersecretary of the treasury before you were put out there to deal with the world bank. let's not talk about that one although you did a very good job

under the circumstances but in all seriousness we were both involved in the tax cut. were these failed trickle down policies. >> no they weren't. median income wept up. workers did well. there was more manufacturing. that is the core of this policy. you have to have a growth mind set. i think what the current economy is doing, it is elitist mindset. it is not, not benefiting anyone within the economy. as you look at it, the thing that concerns me most is the forecasts for the biden harris economic plan. cbo just put out the new numbers in june. it shows the growth in 2025 falling to 2% and then going down from there, 1.8%. so that simply is not enough to benefit people in the manufacturing sectors that are so important to the -- larry: can we do better than that, 1.8%? can't which do pet than that

parenthetically? first half of the year we have 2.1% growth, 3.3% core inflation. so i will repeat the question, can't we do better than that? >> and we have. reagan at this point in his morning in america campaign in 1984, you caused some of it, 7.5% growth in this second quarter gdp. so you got 2.8 on the one hand, 7.5 on another. i would love it if biden-harris came out and said we really want the economy to do well so that means we're going to change our policies. i think the burden is really on them and on her to say what are you going to do differently that brought us to this slow growth point? are you going to change your tax policies, your regulatory policies, your energy policies, anything going to be different because otherwise cbo already forecast it is way down for all the way out into the foreseeable

future. larry: that is what i asked looking at "the wall street journal" editorial today. right at the outset she is leaning left there is no evidence that kamala harris will have a different spending policy or a different tax policy or regulatory policy. she has been very vocal in ending fracking and so forth. so the war against fossil fuels. there is no, i don't see any evidence that anything will change. they're actually may be some evidence that she would govern to the left of mr. biden? >> they're trying to say that this is good enough. remember they keep repeating the idea this economy is a good economy somehow, but that doesn't show up in the data, nor as you were showing that people's sentiment indicators. people know what is going on. they know there should be some plan for the u.s. economy at some point to do better than 2%. they just don't have a plan. trump does. if you cut taxes, you produce, energy alone, you know, is going

to help all parts of u.s. economy. it also helps the whole world. you can float the world. that means buyers for u.s. products. so you can really turn it around by changing policy from what we're doing. larry: who is, we got scott from someplace down south i brief, charleston, south carolina. scott, show yourself. come on, buddy. i hear you're there. there you are, there you are. nice of you. >> hey, larry, nice of you to come by, scott, pleasure to see you. we got off to a little bit of a a a head start but we want to bring you into the conversation. for starters first half of the year is up, gdp is up, no, 2.1%, inflations is up 3.3%. i asked david malpass who is on set here, and you know him well, can't we do better than that, scott? can't we do better? >> sure, larry, we can and we have done better. we did it better under president

trump. we had solid non-inflationary growth and, the, the real story, the biden-harris economy is, we had a government demand shock that was met by a regulatory morass and that's how we got the inflation you know. no one knows better than you under donald trump, we had a private sector demand shock that was met by the deregulation. that is how we were able to have all the non-inflationary growth. larry: is there, scott, is there any evidence, we talked earlier in the show, "the wall street journal" editorial, first couple of days of her new presidential campaign, miss harris went out there, if anything is leaning left, talking about entitlements and tax hikes and so forth, particularly entitlements by the way. she wants to sign on to the bernie sanders nationalized health care bill which is

$3.2 trillion. i mean is there any evidence that she might change biden policies, mindful she was the decisive tie-breaking vote for the big inflation bills of '21 and '22, the american rescue act which was 1.9 trillion and the misnamed inflation reduction act which was 1.2 trillion? do you see any evidence that kamala harris would behave differently if she were president kamala harris? >> no. i think it would be more of the same on steroids. larry, as you rightly mentioned, she was the tiebreaker for the american rescue plan and the ira. she owns those. if not for kamala harris casting the deciding vote they would not have passed. joe manchin and krysten sinema refused to vote for them. so she got them across the line

and you know, look, she is a california progressive, you know, i really don't want the california -- cation of the united states. the market is sniffing out. i'm the one who coined the phrase, the trump rally. yesterday we had the kamala crash. larry: okay. let me play some sound. here is mr. trump on the growth trail, on the tax cut trail. here comes some sound. take a listen, fellows. >> we gave you already the largest tax cut in the history of our country. we're going to slash regulations. we're going to bring down energy prices very rapidly. we're going to reduce your taxes still further. we gave you the biggest one as i said. we're going to give you more and it is going to lead to tremendous growth. we want growth in our country. that is what is going to pay off our debt. larry: now, david malpass, that

is the most any presidential candidate in a convention speech mentioned the word growth. growthier what i call it. he talked nothing but growth, tax cuts, deregulation, deregulate the energy and stop the war on fossil fuels. i think that appeals. i think growthier wins. i think tax cuts win. what do you think? >> think who the audience is. if you're small businesses that hire people, that sounds really goo. if you like at biden and harris, they put their budget out in march which was for much more taxes. so the stock market, small cap does better under trump and the people that employ new workers do better with this approach. and so the audience has to hear this and say, i would rather have that future than the one that's in biden-harris. larry: that is an important point. scott best end, i will give you the last word, the president who

projects growth and opportunity, basically say together middle class, i'm going to cut taxes. i will give you a immediate wage increase by lower taxes right, then and there. that is an optimistic president. but that creates a confident, hopeful electorate, something we don't see in i of the consumer confidence numbers. give you the last word, scott bestent? >> the american people want prosperity. they had it before. what we've seen for 3 1/2 years under the biden-harris economy, they spend, spend, spend, we run up the debt, 7% of gdp deficits and we'll have to reprivatize the economy. larry: oh, we lost him down there. i don't think they have a lot of electricity in -- >> i want to add energy because it is so important. larry: just goes to show you. charleston needs more electricity. drill, baby, drill [laughter]. >> harris wants less and trump

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larry: we bring in our great friend kellyanne conway, former counselor to president trump, fox news contributor and host of here's the deal on "fox nation." that's a must-see. kellyanne, thank you very much. a long time since we saw etch either a couple hours ago. a pleasure to have you on set for this show. my question to you, is mr. trump pivoting now to deal with kamala harris who is different than joe biden and let me just play some sound from his rally in north carolina, coming right up. >> she said that a 70, to 80% tax hike is a bold idea that should be discussed. she wants an 80%. i gave you the largest tax cuts in history. she wants to take them away and

increase your taxes. larry: not bad. she reminded people that she favored the bernie sanders nationalized health care that is $33 trillion. in your judgment is he pivoting enough rapidly and getting message out? >> yes, president trump has done a great job pivoting from biden to harris, not forgetting her she is the second part of the disaster, border, crime in inflation everywhere but kamala gives a whole new treasure trove of clips, positions, radical ideas that were completely rejected by democratic primary voters in 2019. she left that race, her own race for president with her staff in shambles, really angry with her. this guy gill durant, saying if you can't manage a campaign, how can you manage a country or a world. that is significant stuff coming from somebody on the inside. she left there with as many electoral votes you and i got, zero. she was too liberal even for a

primary where bernie sanders and elizabeth warren stayed and michael bloomberg sass shead in there at some point. what do i say this? we have tape of her not just cackling and the gaffs, the important polly positions which you and me care about, and on that she is to the left of joe biden and promised to be a unifier, be a moderate. she makes no such promise. i think we've gone from scranton joe to san francisco kamala. there is a big difference. larry: trump says now, biden was a fake liberal but she is the real. >> i like that actually. larry: newt last night said what you said, she's the san francisco liberal that jean kirkpatrick railed against many, many years ago during the reagan era, which you properly pointed out the democratic party rejected those kind of politics when she first ran. you think the whole trump appat russ now has shifted and they got, their focus is on kamala harris? >> sure i would like to see more

of everybody doing that for him as well. he can't be the only messenger, and he is not the only messenger. this is the other thing. i would do less about her race and her gender and this, that, the other and do much more about policy. she has this way of talking where she says, let's have a conversation about that, let's study that, let's discuss that. that is usually crazy stuff. so she is out there in these very crisp sound bites, sometimes even more substantive ones, larry, pushing things that are totally out of sync with america, not just our beliefs, also what we're telling pollsters are most important to us. if you stick with the big issues, economy inflation, border and security, and immigration, she is on the wrong side of this. even israel hamas took her way too long to condemn what happened yesterday. why is that important? because israel hamas, border, security, immigration are two issues which biden-harris have been struggling mightily against trump, now trump-vance in everybody's polling. larry: why, here you have trump

on school choice and you have kamala defending the national teachers union which is the most retrograde union there is practically in america. so there is another contrast. >> it's a huge contrast and one the trump campaign answered in kind today. i was very happy to see them distribute donald trump as an education president and talking about his accomplishments and his favorability toward, and inally nation toward expanding educational opportunities beyond conventional school systems. larry, i think three years after covid, four years after it hit this country, we still have not having enough conversation about loss learning, mental health problems, a lot of teens saying they have. they are the ones that say it. kitchen island as classroom, screen time, school time, all of that really hurt these kids. kamala harris's answer to that to go to the houston to accept the endorsement of the second largest teachers union in the country and randi weingarten helped keep the kids locked up.

donald trump is the fern to allow anybody, allowing bigots standing in the schoolhouse door, preventing kids from all backgrounds exiting failing schools and let the tax dollars follow the child into a school for affordable education for his or her humanity and dignity this should be non-partisan and bipartisan. show me a single democrat, moscow wits, left her position on the city council we need alternatives that -- larry: you said mr. trump can't do everything. i agree with that. a lot of people are concerned, i will put myself in this camp. jd vance had a lot of good things to say at the convention. his story is a good story up from poverty. yale law school, marine, venture capitalist but for some reason in all his appearances including in the convention while mr. trump talks about tax cuts and growth, you don't hear those

words from jd vance. i don't know quite what to make of that? >> hopefully we will. he is new to the trail, not new to the senate obviously. he is new to the trail. obviously he echoes president trump's policies "bidenomics" for trump-nomics. i call them free capitalism and growth. we need to hear that from him. it is the arc of his story. you don't get out of poverty, drugs up brinking in his family and go to the yale law school. what else happened? he is the in tech world, business word and in public office. it is goodorgment for charter schools. larry: he is for that. he said that. >> finish the arc of your story talk about how the only way to make sure other people can have that kind of american dream is to have capitalist policies not socialist policies. listen, everybody better get on board with health care. you want to reach women? this, we are the chief health care officers of our households.

we control two out of every three dollars of health care spent. health care is not covid, fauci, prescriptions, abortion, it is everything. 26 million americans have no health insurance 14 years after obama, biden, harris, rest of them lied to america, keep your plan, keep your doctor, everyone will have insurance this is sleeper issue. i don't know why republicans talk more about it. there is new gender gap in politics. emerson college came out and proved it brand new poll in the swing states. trump versus harris. way up in men double digits, only lead with women, single digits. kamala problem with polls. larry: doing anything today? >> i'm taking my kids to see billy joel, last madison square garden concert. larry: thank you very much. appreciate it. fbi director christopher wray

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larry: all right, joe biden finally talked to the nation last night after exiting the race. fox news senior white house correspondent peter doocy has whatever, i would say you will at details, peter, but i'm still looking around for details but you tell us. >> reporter: so are we. and, larry, it turns out the president's address was just the beginning of a long farewell. it turns out there is more to say. president biden just isn't ready to share it yet.

>> maybe there will be more that he wants to share. it is an emotional moment for everyone, you know, including me. it is an emotional moment, you know. this is, you know, you do these jobs. they don't pay all that well as you know. >> reporter: as focus now shifts to kamala harris as democratic standard-bearer. democrats are desperate to distance her from a disasterous few years of border crossing statistics, deliberating a list of talking points to elected democrats on the hill. >> so the first one says vice president harris was never appointed border czar. there has never been such a position. it doesn't exist. why are democrats so sensitive about the vice president and the border? >> why are republicans so sensitive about actually not owning up to them getting in the way of a border deal? why? why won't they own up to that? why won't they own up to the last president told them not to

move forward? it was a bipartisan deal on just right there, available to them and they voted twice against it, twice against it. >> reporter: the vice president is now back in washington, d.c. after some political stops in houston, texas, and she is about to have her own sit-down with benjamin netanyahu. president biden already has his. that will be her own in any minute. larry: i can't wait for the update. we appreciate it. we have another slightly different story, fbi director christopher wray, i have guess, yesterday, i missed this, says it wasn't a bullet, that hit mr. trump. really? joining us now pennsylvania congressman scott perry and texas congressman dr. ronny jackson, former white house physician. we're going to play quick sound on this gentlemen. here it comes. >> turn back to former president trump, there's, some question about whether or not a bullet or

shrapnel that hit his ear. larry: all right, there you have it, bull let or shrapnel, ronny jackson. i know you examined president trump, what's wray talking about and do you agree or not? >> absolutely not, larry this is absolutely ridiculous he would make a comment like this. this degrades any level of credibility that this man may have had after years of weaponizing the fbi and the doj against the president. it was absolutely a bullet. i examined it. it was track of a bullet. it was scooped out, just as it would be in the track of a bullet. it had the telltale other damage associated with it, all the surrounding tissue in the ear was swollen. his ear looked like a wrestler's ear when, fat and swollen. that goes along with the trauma from a high velocity bullet as it passes through tissue. that is a hallmark of a gunshot wound is the tissue outside, around the bullet track is also

trump advertised and -- traumatized. that would not happen from a piece of grass or a fragment. that was a bullet. everybody saw it. the whole world witnessed what happened. that is why this man is being butchered right now. it was on live television. larry: i also read, that bullet ricocheted off mr. trump's ear and injured one of the people in the crowd. >> the bullet went somewhere. it went through the top of his ear. it didn't stop there. this is the organization tasked with the investigation of the assassination attempt and it is irresponsible for this man to make these kind of comments as a sitting fbi director because all he does is add fuel to the fire for the morons and the assassination deniers like joy reid and keith olberman and other idiots like that, that are out there don't want the public, they're trying to minimize what happened to the president. he almost died, larry. that is as close as you can come

to get, close as you can get to dying. larry: yeah. >> this was a big deal, for them, to try to minimize it just pisses me off quite frankly. larry: scott perry, bring you in on this, you know, scott, this is why, i argued this to the speaker last night and i have said this every night this week, i don't want the heads of the fbi in washington, the heads of the secret service in washington or the heads of the cia, or the heads of the justice department, i don't want them running this investigation, okay? the congressional task force, the house task force may be fine but i don't want them to in any way rely on the heads of these agencies for all the reasons that ronny jackson just talked about. i don't want it. let's go to the rank-and-file and let's bring in some expert investigators and not rely hon these agencies? >> yeah, i absolutely agree with you. i think christopher wray must be reading the tea leaves six months ahead here, auditioning

for his next job on cnn if you will make a statement like that, you better have some credible answer that answers the charge like representative jackson said. we all saw it happen. and, you know, it is part of this, it is part of this continued three-ring circus that is the biden administration, the democrat party and the left in general and there has to be, we cannot count on, we cannot count on the fbi, the doj, the secret service to do any investigation here which is why the speaker has made a task force, put together a task force we just voted on to oversee this thing and look at it because, as ronnie said, americans don't trust the premier investigative services in our country anymore because we've just been lied to over and over again and right in front of our faces, what, 12 days ago, we a all saw it, now they're lying about it already, or at least offering explanations that don't make any sense and not offering any

explanations that do make any sense. meanwhile, not really answering a whole lot of questions. larry: just going to, real fast, this, fellows, 20 seconds left, scott are you satisfied with this task force concept? are you okay with it? >> well it has to be an outside look. we cannot rely on the normal agencies, so, that's as close as the house of representatives can come. larry: yeah. ronny jackson, what do you think? >> i think the task force is a great idea, just like scott said. we don't have any confidence in the number one law enforcement ail sy in this country right now and if he will come make statements like that, he better have evidence what he is talking about. there was no fractured glass on the teleprompters, if it wasn't a bullet, where did it come from? larry: thank you very much. we appreciate it. scott perry, ronny jackson, appreciate it very much. joining us now alaska senator dan sullivan. senator sullivan welcome back to the show. senator, can you just tell me, i

don't know if anyone can, netanyahu is meeting with biden and then he is meeting later with kamala harris. he gave a brilliant speech yesterday. that i think is for sure i think you would agree with me but he has to meet with both of them. does that mean we'll have two separate policies towards israel right now? maybe they're both going to be lousy, i don't know, but can you walk us through this, sir? >> well, look the speech netanyahu gave yesterday was outstanding and in part because he framed the entire issue that is at stake with regard to our national security and israel's and it's iran of the as you know, larry, they are the puppet masters of chaos all throughout the middle east. they're at war with the united states, and i will tell you this i certainly hope in these meetings with the president today, and with the vice president that netanyahu says, your appeasement policy against iran is not working. you know, i fear kamala harris

is more anti-israel than even biden is. so it is going to be important that he meets with both of them in my view but the key is, no appeasement from the biden administration and that's unfortunately a huge failure on their part. larry: what specifically do you know, senator, if anything, is kamala harris's view with respect to the israel war against hamas? i mean it doesn't sounds to me like she wants total victory other what some call hamasification, and bibi netanyahu should finish the job, doesn't sound like but you tell me, what do we know about letter policy? >> well her policies are kind of opaque but her policies are to the left of joe biden's. by the way her policies are to the left of joe biden's on almost everything but when it comes to israel, i don't think have heard her once say this phrase, which is, israel should have the opportunity and means to destroy hamas. that is what we were all saying

right after october 7th. that's what i still say. that is what prime minister netanyahu said yesterday. i have never heard kamala harris say those words. she's always talking about a cease-fire. unfortunately larry, i think she is behind this issue of delaying weapons to israel which is a scam and outrageous. larry: outrageous indeed. senator dan sullivan, thank you, sir, we appreciate it very much as always. folks coming up, the question is, have democrats rallied around the worst possible candidate? we've got charlie hurt and byron york keeps saying this. byron may be right. he often is. i'm kudlow. we'll be back with those two hi, i'm eileen. i live in vancouver, washington and i write mystery novels. as i was writing, i found that i just wasn't sharp and that doesn't work when you're writing a mystery and i knew i needed to do something so i started taking prevagen.

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a doesn't lead to b. i don't understand what he is saying. by the way he just disenfranchised 14 million democrats who voted for him in the primary. i wouldn't say that is defending democracy. donald trump took a bullet for democracy. why did he drop out? he didn't tell us last night why he dropped out, did he? >> no, he did not. further underscores the fact obviously the only reason he dropped bought because he was losing in the polls and they didn't like it, they're all favor of democracy until it costs them election. then they will want to throw it all out. people talking about how selfless he is. there was nothing selfless he made. he got forced out. larry: byron, it was a push, it was a soviet style push. >> the american people deserve to know what actually happened because president biden was

absolutely totally ready to go. he said full speed ahead. seven days ago he contracts covid. he goes into isolation. then under pressure from his party's power brokers, he decides that he is going to withdraw from the presidential race shortly after saying he was in it for the long run. and the american people deserve an explanation how this happened. president biden had a chance to give that last night and he didn't do it. larry: going to be campaign issue, charlie hurt, do you think? >> i think the problem is actually, it goes to the heart of credibility. and the thing with kamala harris, what did she know, when did she know it. why did she spend all this time trying to cover this up. it goes to the heart of credibility. i think she has a real credibility problem any way. even the things, like things people make fun of her about, like her laugh, weird things she says, evasiveness about the

responsibility for the border, things like that. it call goes to credibility. big picture in terms of, how long, what did she do, for how long to sort of keep this coverup going goes to the heart of her credibility. politician shaun that loses credibility, you don't get it back, you don't recover from that. it colors everything, you don't regain popularity once you lose that credibility. larry: i don't know, what did she know, when did she know it? they're making him out to be, these same democrats who just worked this putch i call it, soviet style, saving he was a great president. perhaps the greatest president we ever had, better than george washington even. i was there. i know he wasn't any better than washington because i was there at that time. what did she know, when did she know it? that's it. byron, one of the things you're saying the dems have gone to the worst possible candidate.

why is this? >> well i think she probably is the worst possible candidate and i think she proved that in her 2019 run for the democratic nomination. it wasn't good enough to make it to 2020. so i think she kind of proved that at that time and, what we're going to see though is, the democrats didn't have a lot of choice in this. she is the vice president of the united states. she is the constitutional successor to the president, if he were to die or become disabled, she would be the president of the united states. in addition, the democratic party is obsessed with identity, especially race and gender. so the question is, would they push aside the first woman vice president of color in favor of somebody who might poll a little better? i don't think that would happen. so i do think that even if they had a slower process, they might end up in the same place which

is kamala harris. larry: oh, really, what fun. you know, charlie, on the point that jason raised identification. jason riley, who is african-american columnist for "the wall street journal," a very smart guy, we all know him. he is writing in the journal today, kamala is not the change the democrats need. it echoes, it echoes what byron is saying from a different perspective. >> yeah. and you know when you, you play all these identity politics you wind up with the dei candidate, a dei vice president, who by the way even after joe biden picked her pass his vice president, he talked about her as this sort of, the chief dei person in his administration. so the idea they're running away from this now is kind of funny but the ultimate thing that exposes democrats for everything, democrat media is openly talking about how she can't pick a popular governor of pennsylvania josh shapiro

because he is jewish. she can't pick i am because of his. that is where with these people. i can't brief i'm repeating it. i can't believe they are saying it openly in public. it is just shocking but this is the real end result of identity politics and dei stocks -- toxin larry: byron, who will she pick. who do you think she will pick? >> all the speculation she is being looking for a white man to be her running mate. mark kelly, the senator from arizona, who was an astronaut has, seems to have inside track on this, possibly josh shapiro. i know what charlie just said but he is still certainly in the running but it does look like people like gretchen whitmer who had been considered and mentioned about this, said she wouldn't take it are just not in the running anymore. larry: thank you, gentlemen.

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