streets of san francisco. it is covered because that is what has happened in one of the previous greatest cities this country has ever had. human feces is now a fact of life, except when a communist dictator comes to town. then they cleaned of the streets. they lined the streets with chinese flags. they did not put american flags there. to clean everything up. they are willing to do it for a communist dictator, but they are not willing to do it for their own people. >> sean: i want to get to two very important issues. after the hamas terror attacks, on october the seventh, we have seen what is nothing short of a disturbing outbreak of virulent hatred, anti-semitism around the world, in the halls of our congress, on american streets, on college campuses, last month, outside sydney opera house in australia, we have seen it all over europe but in australia, anti-israeli protesters chanting gas the jews.

we have protesters calling for global islamic war and demanding that israel be wiped off the map or in the words of congresswoman tlaib, from the river to the sea. according to a report, the new york times this week, u.s. officials have warned israel that they need more to fight more surgically in gaza. governor newsom, 30 seconds for you. we have to cut back on time. how can israel win the war against this terrorist group using surgical strikes and directions from joe biden? >> governor newsom: i visited israel. i met with families, hostages. i saw videos of children being killed in front of their parents. i saw a beheading with a garden how. this is not complicated to me. this is a fight between good and evil. hamas is a terrorist organization and they need to be eliminated, not just for the people of israel, jews around the world, but for the

palestinians themselves, but when it comes to the issue of anti-semitism, you just mentioned a lot of things that have been incurring on ron desantis' watch. he said nothing. >> sean: you are calling him anti-semitic? >> governor newsom: i'm saying -- and now he is finally talking a big game ever since octobe october 7th. >> sean: for the sake of fairness and time, gentlemen —-dash. >> governor newsom: you said nothing on those issues. >> governor desantis: they want to destroy israel and wipe every single jew off the map. biden should not be recapping them. and biden stranded lot of american citizens over there trying to get home. i did an executive order and forward and we sent planes over to israel in the aftermath of october 7th and we saved over 700 americans, mostly floridians but not all, because biden would not do it. finally biden started dumping people in greece and then they were sending a bill to the

americans just to get to greece. if you come to this country illegally, they will pay to value -- fly you all over the place. yet our own citizens fleeing a war zone? they are going to send you a bill? we stepped up. >> sean: i want to return -- we don't have a lot of time. i want to turn to the issue of china. talked about this often. intellectual property theft, unfair trade practices, china has been hostile to our fighter jets in international airspace, hostile to our navy and international waterways. we know all about the china spy balloon that happened eight days read across the united states over military installations. the communist chinese, they have nationals buying up thousands of acres of ranchland, farm land and land near military installations. their hostility toward taiwan. they are, the governors desantis, are number one geopolitical info. i don't see that the biden administration has been tough with them. what would you do differently?

>> governor desantis: in flori florida, we banned china from buying in our state. we also got to confuses institutes out of our universities trend -- china should not be involved in our universities. you need to have hard power in the indo-pacific to deter china's ambitions. you need to take the economy and we need to decouple from china. we are dependent on them for so many things and then finally, we need to get serious about their influence in this country. they should not be able to buy farmland anywhere. i would not go to china and grovel in front of gene. he says china is a partner. china is adding two new coal plants every year. china is laughing at us with what they are doing. so yes, they are the number one threat we face. we need to take it seriously and joe biden is not doing that. >> governor newsom: this is a reminder, you know, i think it is a question some people are probably asking. i know nikki haley's camping is asking, when are you going to

drop out and at least give nikki haley a shot? she laid you out. >> governor desantis: you wish. >> sean: what about china? >> governor newsom: this is a guide who was doing trade -- >> governor desantis: that is false. that has already been to the bank. about the liberal fact checkers. even the liberal patrickis -- >> governor newsom: donald trump codeql for your complete hypocrisy. are confronted xi of the issue of fentanyl. i confronted them. >> governor desantis: on human rights, you did not. >> governor newsom: i absolutely did. you talk a big game. meanwhile, -- >> sean: final question. governor desantis, we owe you about 90 seconds. you get the last word. >> governor newsom: you are giving me five seconds? >> sean: i will be more generous than that. look, it has been a very passionate debate. actually, i think the american

people will decide. governing philosophies could not be more different. let me ask you this, kind of a fun question. you both clearly love your states. you visited each other's state. governor desantis, you can take as much time as you want. you have an extra 90 seconds. what is your favorite thing about the state of california and -- >> governor newsom: i would give him five minutes. >> sean: we will stay longer. five minutes to governor. >> governor desantis: i got orders to go to naval amphibious base coronado. i did not spend really any time in california my life. and i'm proud of the state. but i got down there and that strand is one of the most beautiful places i have ever been. all up and down just a tremendous coastline, i do believe california has more natural advantages than any state in the country, which is why when you have so many people leaving, that is hard to do. people don't want to leave there because it really is such a beautiful area and i'm proud of

their military installations that are there. i'm proud of what the navy has been able to do in conjunction with the state. it was really important duty. it really helped forge me as an individual and as an american. i will always have very fond memories of that nice stranded in southern california. >> governor newsom: i love that. >> sean: what do you love california? >> governor newsom: by the way -- >> sean: what do you love about florida? >> governor newsom: i love the comedy of the question. you know what? we all want to be loved. we all want to be respected and connected. there is a unity. ron, i have no doubt ron desantis loves this country. i love this country. it is not red versus blue. it is red, white, and blue. i think we are all better off when we are all better off. i appreciate this conversation. i appreciate you, ron, being a family man. you got three incredible kids. i appreciate your wife, your sacrifice, and i appreciate your

military service. we do have fundamental differences about the fate and future of this country. that is why i'm going to be working so hard to get joe biden and kamala harris get reelected in 2024. >> sean: you could not resist. you had to go right back to 2024. alright, here's the last. would you do this again? >> governor desantis: i hope we can do another half hour. [overlapping speakers] >> sean: i have another 20 minutes and i have a lot of questions. you want to stay? >> governor newsom: let's do an extended hour. i'm happy to do it. >> sean: i think it has been fun and i think it has been more entertaining. i'm sorry to the guests. i got to take a break. in the meantime, we will face some bills. it is not a cheap set. i hope you like it. courtesy of your favorite channel, fox news, and you do admit you watch. we will take a break. they have agreed to stay. i guess it is a debate on the fly. we will continue on the other side and later have life postdebate coverage. we are in alpharetta, georgia.

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♪ ♪ >> sean: welcome back to "hannity." by mutual agreement, both candidates have other commitments and they realized afterwards they cannot stay longer. but we appreciate them all being here tonight. okay. when did you think about it? was there a winner, loser, losers? you get to react. and we can keir joining us, cohost of the five, harold ford jr. along with the cohost of outnumbered, kayleigh mcenany, we start with you. that was a very low energy debate. that is my first observation.

>> and mine was the opposite. what an edifying constructive smart hour with fact-based questions. one of the best i have seen in a very long time. was done on your part. in press, when i was press secretary, you ask yourself, do you have a tax problem? or do you have a messaging problem? tonight what you saw was a faxed problem for gavin newsom. they were undeniable. you sourced them and what the public saw was the sharpest best messenger in the democrat party. i maintain that is gavin newsom unable to message the voting power of faxed before hand in the state of california and nationally for joe biden. desantis had some strong moments when he said, look, talk to a guy who said i love the employment down here. i love the wages. i love the state of florida, florida the ohio state -- see if it is. that was your father-in-law,

gavin newsom, also pulling out the map of the feces in san francisco. ron desantis, impossible task for gavin newsom. >> sean: let's get your take, ari fleischer. >> i think watching this, you realize, democrats are from mars and republicans are from venus. they speak totally different languages. ron desantis' language was one of economics, the lockdowns in california, it was very practical, very focused on people's daily lives, the rise in cost of living. if you listen to gavin newsom, his whole message was identity politics, which is the language of the democrats. i don't like the way you talk about migrants. we have to fight for women. everything he says is about an ethnic group, a chunk of americans. it is not about america. and that is the language the democrats respond to. so you really have two different

approaches for what america needs. i will say this. gavin newsom is much more articulate, and sharper than joe biden and if i'm a democrat looking at the presidential race, even if i dismiss ron desantis, i have to worry about joe biden. if that is a difference of just biden's age, as you pointed that out, the final thing i was about the sentence, i don't think that he closed the gap with donald trump tonight. it was a nice night for him and he did well and he has the facts on his side but when you look at the purpose of him being there, which is to win a presidential race, i don't think he closed the gap. >> sean: i can tell you, in the discussion leading up to this that this was a state versus state and although clearly i think gavin at times wanted to talk more presidential politics. harold ford jr., your take? >> so first off, congrats, sean, i thought you did a good job. stayed versus a state and both of these candidates who were

governors, very passionate, patriotic, and defended their records. i think caylee and mr. fletcher all right. what are we said at the end is probably the most useful and may be the utility level is highest. who did best for their parties? i think one of the things and caylee said it, there's no doubt that gavin newsom will be the most important, the most forceful and articulate advocate on behalf of democrats and the 2024 election. and governor desantis, i think, displayed one of the things that republicans are going to have to deal with but how do you talked about the economy? how do you talked about the issues in the face of i think whether we like it or not, or agree or not, one of the more powerful issues in 2024. is going to be this issue of reproductive rights for women. it is not going to overtake everything. but it will certainly be one of the most important issues. i think where we are six months from today with regard to gas prices and inflation, we will

probably determine more about the outcome of the presidential race than anything else. but as it relates to the state issues, florida, california, i was more impressed with ron desantis than i thought i would be. about that governor newsom who i think it's one of the most effective presenters in politics, he was that tonight. i thought that governor desantis laid out very effectively his record in florida. was it able to do what he was able to do in a presidential state? probably not. but tonight, i think he probably fared better. and a lot of other people thought he might have fared against a guy in our party, gavin newsom, who i thought it did well tonight. i thought governor desantis did a pretty good job tonight as well, too, defending his state and his record. >> sean: what did you think, caylee, about the answer when i quoted lbj in terms of gavin. there's a lot of suspicion, a lot of people around the count country, polls or burn this out more than ever that people are seeing joe biden as weak and

frail and in cognitive decline. that was not something that gavin newsom wanted to admit but when you bring up the issue of whether or not if his party came to him, whether he has been very clear in all three interviews that i have had with him, to not being a debate obviously i'm ordering but that he thinks that it would be the vice president, vice president harris and knock him up next. if you say it that often, you have to take somebody at their word, don't you. >> as a prodigal figure, there are certain things you have to say. this is why every single person probably in all of time who has run for president says, oh, no, you know, it you know, it is not wang-tomic. i'm not thinking of that right now. i'm focusing on by state capacity, et cetera and several of them going to run for president. there are certain things you must say. gavin newsom tonight must have said over and over again it is joe biden and then given that had not to kamala harris. but what i look at or what were

the words of gavin newsom leading into the midterm elections? these before the midterm elections, he talks about his fundamental grievances with the coach with his party. they are unable to message. it was someone by his words that seem to be clearly posturing in the event of a red wave. either running himself and taking on joe biden or being the second alternative waiting at the wings and then the red wave did not happen. it crashed and burned and all the sun gavin newsom says, yes, it is you, joe biden, you had a very good midterm election. i think he is waiting in the wings but he can get on the ballot because we have missed several valid deadlines because and i think he is waiting in the event that something goes wrong, democratic party, where they actually ended nominee, he is waiting there. that is the only reason that you do a debate like what we saw tonight going to go toe to toe with someone running himself to be the gop nominee. trevor that is it. re, we will start with you but how would you grade governor

desantis tonight? what grade would you give gavin newsom tonight? >> i would give desantis a b+ in the way he handled the facts. he hardly ever looked gavin newsom in the eye. if you're going to be strong, you need to look at your opponent in the eye. you need to do it always. i would give newsom a d just in terms of his making of the facts, is fabricating, making things up, in terms of being glib, i would give him an a. i don't think i've ever seen a guy stand on beyond deck circle on his back to studying the pitcher and swinging the bat all the while denying that he is going to step up to the plate. that is what gavin newsom was doing. >> sean: harold ford jr.? >> i will give them both b process. i think they did what they had to do to advance where they were. i think if you are governor haley, we think about the presidential race tonight, governor haley probably doing fine tonight and i think in the presence of -- former president trump probably feeling a much

better and if you are president biden, you better sign gavin newsom up to be your chief circuit in this potential race. >> sean: haley, you get the last word. grades? >> desantis gets an a. the clear runaway winner. given the bad probably does pile of facts gets a c. watch out. that guy is coming. he is a rising star in the party. ♪ ♪ >> sean: thank you all three of you. i appreciated. thanks for being with us. when we come back to mark penn and chip roy react t icy hot. ice works fast. ♪ heat makes it last. feel the power of contrast therapy. ♪ so you can rise from pain. icy hot.

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chip roy with former senior adviser to the clintons, mark penn. going to have you with. chip, thoughts on tonight? >> great to be on. i think what you saw tonight was a clear distinction between freedom and failure. with -- what you saw was a clear message clear vision for what we have seen occur in florida. versus what we saw occur in california. for that with for that with those who are seeing unprecedented success progressing people flocked there and out of california, you are seeing the kind of policies that gavin newsom was all too proud to associate with joe biden extending his california policies to america where now people see evs, cars, piling up on car dealership lots and inflation driving people away from being able to afford their homes, their cars, their ability to put wheels on the table. you saw a clear distinction. what you saw is you saw governor desantis make the case for why he won by a million 1/2 votes in

florida. wyhe one, 62% of hispanic voters. why he won 60% of single female voters. wyhe my indy day to watch people are flocking to for the and that a clear vision when you have an adult conversation, this is what america needs to see and it was nice to see someone like governor desantis who grew up in the '80s instead of being in his 80s, someone who can lead this country with energy and vision and served for 8 years and you also saw what president trump does not have any interest in debating head to head governor ron desantis. >> sean: let's get your take, mark. >> first, sean, congratulations on the best debate of 2023 for sure. look, i thought it was, you know, except for moments of people calling each other a liar and bully, i thought it was incredibly substantive debate. i thought ron desantis, a look, if you are in the desantis campaign, put the campaign talking points aside. i think pretty happy tonight and

your candidate did really well. he held up extremely well. he was articulate. he was a play to, but he did particularly well on the economy, taxes, immigration and crime. the weakness with social issues. here's where i thought newsom was really passionate, agreed with him or not, he was passionate. he stuck to his ground. he articulated his principles. and broad desantis was stuck with a six-week abortion bill. he really did not want to talk a lot about it. both had good nights. desantis has definitely the best night of his campaign. >> sean: wow, that is high compliment coming from you. if you would to grade, mark, it might as well stay with you. grade both of the debaters, both governors, what would you give them tonight? >> i would give desantis an a minus. he was articulate, a fighter. he did not have a great standout moment. he really was overall did what he needed to do tonight. i probably would give newsom a b

plus. i don't think he was strong on his estate because after all, the numbers were not really that good on his estate. he was passionate about his principles and values and that counts a lot in the democratic party and in the country. >> sean: chip, 15 seconds for you, chip. >> governor desantis did a great job. i give him an a. i think he made a clear and compelling case for why freedom works and why it has worked in florida. and i think, a look, governor newsom, i can't give him a hall pass for being slick and selling a bad state of california because it is bad because of his leadership. he gets an f because california is a feeling state. >> sean: thank you both. appreciate it. that is all the time we have left this evening. thank you for being with >> there is one thing in closing that we have i