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from washington tonight. thank you so much for being with us. tricky for nice. that's the focus of tonight's angle. tawrtd of immigrant parent, an attractive political resume. the undeniable fact is republican voters do not trust politicians who claim to be common sense conservatives when their actual record shows the opposite and that they cited the same old guard that helped get us into the messes we are in right now. last night's news nation debate was a smackdown with both ron desantis and vivek ramaswamy both populist conservatives taking on haley and challenging her real views and record on issues like protecting girls' private space in locker rooms and bathrooms.

>> he said he didn't think bathroom bills were a good use of his time. look that up. >> i signed a bathroom bill in florida so that's obviously not true. i signed it. you didn't. you killed it. i signed it. i stood up for little girls. you didn't do it. i signed the bill. i protected the girls. >> do you know south carolina. >> she did not do that i know that. >> laura: now, that was an interesting move because after all haley is the only woman on the stage. a fact that she has decided to lean into. even though i thought republicans value objective merit not racial or gender based bean counting. >> i don't put up with bullies and when you kick back it hurts them more if you are wearing heels. >> as i set out on this new journey, i will simply say this may the best woman win. [cheers and applause] >> this is exactly why margaret thatcher said if you want something said, ask a man. if you want something done, ask a woman.

[cheers] >> laura: quoting thatcher that's really nice we all love margaret thatcher. it begs the question why is any republican offering up her gender as a substantive reason to vote for her? now, could this be an effort to wash away her more mainstream romney republicanism? well, vivek couldn't resist grabbing on to that issue. >> i reject the jewels of identity politics in this party. it has been a cancer coming from the left and i'm sick and tired of the double standards and people of this country are too having two x chrome jones does not immunize you from criticism. >> thank you. governor haley would you like to respond? >> no. it's not worth my time to respond to him. >> now, i think that was a mistake on her part because her demeanor as of the question was an irritation, reminded us of the northeastern of the female college presidents when they were asked just simple questions about the anti-semitism roaring across their campuses. they didn't know how to read the room. and for her part, neither did

haley when she bragged about all the big corporate interests that are lining up to support her. >> when it comes to these corporate people that want to suddenly support us, we'll take it. they are just jealous. they wish they were supporting them. >> he is mad because those wall street donors used to support him and now they support me. >> laura: now, would desantis have taken the money? sure. but in his case that wouldn't signal to the voters that he would follow the big donors' orders if elected. after all, he hasn't danced to their tune as governor of florida, has he? we saw that with his willingness to risk a battle with the woke corporate overlords at disney this primary race is not going to be decided by gender. just ask hillary how much that helped her and not decided how much wall street shawstles candidate's way. again, ask hillary. it's not going to be decided by who gets the most rave reviews from the media. although haley would definitely win that competition.

>> haley fighting off a whole mob of super villains, nikki haley had to defend herself of that -- of the debate performance and she did well. she actually held up well. she was actually able to full off. beltway journalists and pundits too. >> nikki haley is a rising star. i have heard from so many people who have never voted republican before. people who may disagree with her political positions but still say i like her. >> the fact that nikki haley, you know, did so well and people thought she did well showed that her strategy of just kind of staying above the fray really worked. >> really what struck me i think is how nikki haley conducted herself she has all the momentum. >> beltway and new york and florida pundits liked her. now, if you are republican and you are getting that type of press coverage, you should be

making plans for your career post politics because you will be fog in the footsteps of john boehner, jeff flake, mitt romney and liz cheney. you will either be drummed out of office or retire to avoid electoral humiliation. this election is going to be decided by a wonderful multi ethnic working class coalition of voters who are tired of the political double speak and just want their country back promise that's are going to get tough on immigration and china won't be believed if your record says otherwise. i think they want a candidate they know is going to fight for them. not be dictated to by big donors. especially as in haley's case when some of them are hard core democrat donors like reid hoffman. the fact is since the early days of the tea party movement -- i was there. the voters gradually began to move away from the views of the old establishment g.o.p.

on enforcing the border, on trade, on foreign wars, the voters have been telling elected officials, listen up. it's time to prioritize americans over foreign interest haley hasn't learned. this and it looks like the voters know it there is a reason why for all her support in the press and for all her big money from big business she continues to trail both trump and desantis, according to the real clear politics average. she is paying the price for decades in which establishment republicans pretended to be on our side during the campaign and then imposed a completely different agenda, a pro-plutocrat, anti-working people agenda once they got into office. we don't no longer live in a world snappy consultants and line margaret thatcher and pass yourself off as a leader voters could trust. trump, desantis, and even ramaswamy, these are all people who have shown that they're

willing to take stands that anger the donors, that anger wall street, that anger silicon valley that's what republicans these days are looking for. let's be clear. haley's problem isn't that she is a woman. if anything, i believe g.o.p. voters would really like a margaret thatcher of our own. but thatcher was her own woman he sloo was never a puppet of the ruling class. haley appears to be much more comfortable with funders than voters. and the today's men and women who make up the base of the g.o.p. are no longer interested in that type of candidate. and that's the angle. joining me now is vietnam, 2024 g.o.p. presidential candidate. vivek, great to see you. you got a lot of heat for your attacks on haley last night. why did you decide to go straight at her?

shy has professed foreign policy experience credential for the gain. i was confident she didn't know like biden didn't either what are the provinces she wants us to fight for in eastern ukraine? the heat i took from the mainstream media make please crack up it. leans into her playing that gender card that you talked about, laura. it's the fact that in the second debate, she outright called me dumb without evidence and the media cheers girl power for her in the mainstream press. yesterday i didn't call her names. i challenged her to even name the provinces eastern ukraine that i want her to -- that she wants her sons and daughters to actually be fighting for and she somehow that was. >> laura: do you know them. >> of course. donetsk, luhansk. what is important about provinces they haven't participated in ukrainian parliamentary elections for the last decade. it's relevant to know something about those provinces that's exactly the basis. >> laura: because you are saying they are ethnic russians. >> they are ethnic russians and furthermore, laura, not only are they ethnic russians they have

not participated in ukrainian parliament elections la the last decade many people do not view themselves as part of ukraine. that's essential to the argument whether or not you continue. >> laura: i get that point. you said that nikki haley is corrupt. now that's quite a charge. >> yes. >> laura: what do you mean by that? >> i mean it's time when politicians use their time in public service connection to public service to enrich their family. like it's wrong for hunter biden to have collected a $5 million bribe from a ukrainian official which i believe has influenced joe biden's foreign policy to ukraine. i think it's wrong that when nikki haley steps down from her seat at the u.n., which is a short-lived cup of coffee stent but then after that what do you see? she is broke when she leaves. net worth basically zero. then she becomes a multi millionaire starting a military contracting firm where she hasn't disclosed the clients. bore she joins the board of boeing she has done special favors as governor for years

south carolina. and gives secretive foreign speeches to foreign actors collecting 7 figure paychecks like hillary clinton just like hillary clinton and biden emerges a multi millionaire. i have been a vocal critic of that in the case of hillary clinton and joe biden. i can't do that creditably if we are not calling it in our own republican party as well. i do not think it's the right thing for people to join corporate boards that they have done business with while they are governs or use their connections at the u.n. to actually start military contracting firms. and one more thing on this, laura. she was one of the people who challenged donald trump to release his tax returns in 2016, joining the democrats to do it. she hasn't done the same or released the clients of her military contracting firm. that's hypocrisy. and even if you kick in heels or not that doesn't exempt you from the is same standards. >> laura: vivek, why did you decide with your background. >> you were obviously in the business sector international. made a lot of money i believe in china. why did you decide to go the

populist direction when, by looking at your background people would say is he a chamber of commerce republican. how did you make that turn? for me what i made own experience. i was bike biotech advisor ceo. george floyd riot. every tech ceo and every biotech ceo was supposed to be browbeaten in terms of making a statement in favor of black lives matter. i was one of the lone ceos in my industry to say i refused to do it. that i was going to speak the truth and say this was not a movement that companies should have anything to do with focus on products that resulted in backlash. i stepped aside writing first of three books woke inc. that opened a journey and opened my eyes leader who understand business and economic but who are also able to speak the truth. >> laura: we are almost out of time. vivek, given where things are in the polls and you pitched yourself as a real list and

common sense conservative and i think quite effectively just rhetorically and substantively. but you are trailing desantis, trump, and nikki haley. so i think her question to you right now would be why don't you drop out? i mean, she should drop out. why don't you drop out and endorse trump. i mean. >> this was different six weeks ago. i'm practical person. i'm talking to you from northern iowa where i came from alabama earlier. one of the things we are seeing on the ground in iowa and this is prablpractical reality. many are not traditional caucus many wearing ron paul shirts. these people are not polled. if you come to the events. we had three events today. these are crowd sizes that exceed what the mainstream media would tell you we are experiences. >> laura: i have been to the caucuses yaw tell you how many iowa caucuses i have been to. you are saying tonight there is going to be a groundswell of support for you at the iowa caucuses. >> yes.

>> laura: there is going to be a groundswell and propel you to a first or second place finish? >> it's going to shatter the expectations. i think we are going to shatter the expectations that have been set for us. i like where we sit. i like the mainstream media expectations exactly where we want them. they have me polling in fourth. going to deliver a major surprise on january 15th. that actually helps me and i think that's the beginning of where we are heading in race. >> laura: vivek, chris christie had to come in and he felt like he had to rescue treating nikki haley with all of her incredible background as a damsel in distress. i thought that was quite interesting, to put it mildly or modestly he felt he needed to step and say something positive about her it was a rough debate. >> i wish them well in their alliance to save the neocon movement which is otherwise going to relegated to the dust bins of history. good luck to nikki haley and chris christie. >> laura: the reauthorization act approved by republicans. looks like they caved on that.

joining me now charlie hurt, fox news contributor. opinion editor for "the washington times." sean duffy co-host of the bottom line on fox business. all right, you just heard that i do think it was odd that nikki haley has done so much to say, you know, i'm strong. i'm standing on my own two feet my record speaks for itself and i get that but then also playing the gender card a little bit two me those two things don't comport. >> it doesn't work at all. as you said earlier the whole point of what conservatives whole complaint about identity politics and maneuvering it's not based on ideas and arguments. it's not about values. and, you know, it's about something else. it's ridiculous. it's stupid. you know, and whatever vivek, you know, whether or not he shatters expectations in iowa or not, i don't think you can take away from the fact that he has

been a tremendously illuminating figure in this primary. and that interview that you just conducted is a perfect example of it. he is able to stay things and spotlight things like nobody else does. i think he has revealed more about the candidates on the stage at these debates than anybody else. and so whether he does manage to pull it out or not. or regardless of what his future is from here. he is performing a tremendous service, i think. >> laura: it's refreshing. it's scary. someone who doesn't have anything to lose walsh out. he will come in and scrape the stage. chris christie took aim at trump last night in the debate. watch. this failing to speak out against him. making excuses for him. pretending that somehow he is a

victim. empowers him. his conduct is unacceptable. he is unfit and be careful of what you are going to go if you everybody got enough donald trump term. >> is he letting you know i am your retribution. >> sean, isn't it ironic that christie attacks vivek for personal insults, yet, his whole campaign is kind of one big insult of trump? >> so out of touch with the republican base and party because most of them look at donald trump and the prosecutions, the lawfare, this has been absolutely ridiculous russia collusion documents standard mar-a-lago standard they have for joe biden at the biden center or at his home. most of republicans look at that and go this is absolutely unfair. chris christie takes the stage and wants to claim that donald or yeah that donald trump is unelectable and can't serve the country. can i make one quick point on vivek? he is talking about, laura. these young kids i don't have

what is imb t. they love vivek. he is speaking to them these kids don't normally go caucus. maybe he is on to something. seeing it why mean family and friends. they love this guy. after nikki couldn't answer the flee province questions. they said we turned tv off. vivek won. he was great. so it's interesting. is he striking a cord with the youth. >> it reminded me a little bit of -- remember when rick perry was asked to name three departments? he wanted to get rid of? that was just sad. i love rick per j as things stand now. trump is up 30 points in iowa. up triple digits i believe in south carolina in he wins south

carolina double digits how do you justify other candidates staying in the race? >> i can't -- i don't know. i don't think that -- you know, when you look at his numbers, and then obviously we haven't seen the first vote cast. >> yeah, who knows. >> i'm eager to is see that play out. obviously. when you look at the -- when you look at these numbers, and you have to realize that at least some portion of vivek's supporters some portion of desantis' supporters if they flame out they are going back to trump. they love trump policies but they don't love trump. the only person up there who probably isn't going to benefit trump by dropping out is probably nikki haley herself because that's a whole different group of people in you add up all the rest of them dominating this field in an insurmountable way. on that point. if donald trump is up by 30 point in the iowa polling if he only wins by 20. they will claim that's a massive loss for trump and that these other, you know, candidates are surging so it's not how much he

wins by did he win by as much or more than the polling had him. that's going to be the factor. just one last point on nikki haley, the real miss was in polling the number one issue for americans economy. she got economy question and housing question. she dithered and dribbled through that ena. i thought she was joe biden giving an answer. again, the number one issue that americans care about. she had no answer for. shameful. >> laura: well, that was devastating. but, joe biden belongs on mount rushmore said van jones. that's all that matters. charlie, sean, good to see both of you. thank you very much. a new lawsuit how perspectives are getting access to your kids on social media. you won't believe this story. something every parent needs to hear. the details next. breaking news coming in on hunter biden. don't want to miss any of this. let's stay there. ♪

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>> laura: this is a fox news alert. we just learned that hunter biden is about to be indicted in california. fox news justice correspondent david spunt is here with all the breaking details. david, what can you tell us? wow? >> yeah, laura, we are waiting to see the actual documents. whether or not they have been filed yet. they have not been made public on the actual docket yet. we are waiting to see. but several sources involved in the probe tell us that there was

a grand jury that was impaneled in california to look at the president's son. we don't know the specific charges. and i don't want to speculate but we know this is in the center district of california. that is where hunter biden has been living over the past few years. we also know this is part of the david weiss special counsel investigation. now, remember, he is already taking hunter biden to trial in delaware for several federal gun charges this would be separate from that. sips he is the special counsel is he charge whatever he wants and whatever district he wants. it appears he has done so or is getting ready to do so any moment officially when it hits the docket in the central district of california. we're continuing to watch it, laura. >> thank you, david. so we don't know the details of this yet some speculation it was

coming down. some people had almost given up on that. back with me now charlie hurt and sean duffy. sean, obviously, this is stunning a lot of people. people are focused on the delaware case and the delaware investigation but your reaction to what we're learning right now? a lot of people felt the way. david weiss was going to let these charges skate and hunter biden would never be held accountable for making millions of dollars overseas. people say that was inappropriate it. had something to do with joe biden while he was in office. regardless of that fact. everyone has to pay taxes on their income. and i think that joe biden and hunter biden were not going to be held to the same standard. that was a concern. also what could come flew play are fara violations. he failed to register as a foreign agent. that also has been rumored to be part of these charges as well. but, again, some republicans at least feel like there is a two tiered justice system. one standard for republicans. another standard for the bidens and for democrats. this will go a long way if this

indictment comes and is a real indictment with real charges to alleviate many who feel like there is this two tiered justice system in the country. >> and, again, these are -- you know, this is an indictment. we're not going to do what the liberals do and says that means is he guilty. this is a charging document. we don't know the details yet. but, we know this charlie. that the federal grand jury convened in california. was examining sean just mentioned the possibility of federal criminal tax charges against hunter biden. he had enormous stream of income coming into various accounts from various sources from various international interest. some of it looks like it ended up in his father's hands at one point. but, this is a sprawling series of payments to him that, you know, could be, not accounted for in terms of his gross

income. which obviously is a big no, no, and can get him in big, big trouble. most important part of this is the fact if these are tax charges, which would be -- would be just hunter at this point that they're tax charges based on work that hunter biden never would have had based on income that hunter biden never would have enjoimed when he not been drafting off was his father's political career and traveling around the world drumming up business that involved influence peddling, as much as this may be sort of tailored to hunter biden. it still in some way related to his father. of course you couple that with a lot of the other things we know to be true based on the investigations coming out of the house. it raises all kinds of flags about all the other connections

to joe biden. one other thing that i think is really important here is that, you know, these charges would have not come about. charges only coming about because that deal got blown up and because and because of all of the favors that the doj was doing to try to bury this stuff got exposed and got embarrassed. unone last point. we don't know what this is all about at this point. but, you know, for people who don't want us to believe in conspiracy theories. when we look at all of the ways the biden administration and democrats have used the doj as a political weapon to go after their enemies. i can't help but sit here and wonder if this doesn't mean something about how the winds have changed and people, democrats no longer want to deal with joe biden. and i'm sorry, you know, i don't have direct evidence of that is

is what it leads to when you weaponize the department of justice. >> i think you are raising a couple of good points and sean, to what charlie just said. this is the result of aggressive oversight on the part of republicans who demanded answers on this and who were just vilified by the pretty for raising any questions about hunter biden. you are just being mean to the bidens. just being mean. again, this is only a charging document. we are going to learn more details. we don't want to get ahead of ourselves tonight. that's what the left does with donald trump. we are not going to do that on this show joe biden has gone like this. i don't talk about my son's business and soshtsd. you have to believe that given where is he in cnn poll devastating. 37% approval, sean. could this be the democrats' off ramp from biden if this begins to spiral or grow? >> well, i think there is still

going to have to be connection between hunter and joe biden. have to do a better job of showing that they may have a better opportunity if next week they introduce articles of impeachment. i do want to give the house credit for all the work they have done. we can't forget the irs whistleblowers who actually blew the whistle on the scum and cancer that was growing at the department of justice and at the irs. remember david weiss there was information that came out that he wanted a charge in d.c. he wanted a charge in california. but he wasn't allowed to do it. the attorney generals there weren't working with them. then he became the special counsel. when he got the special counsel designation now a couple months later the charges actually come and might lead credence to the fact that the attorney general. merrick garland was stymieing this investigation from the very beginning but because of public pressure, and weiss getting the special counsel status. freeing him up to actually charge relevant charges of crimes that potentially hunter

biden had committed. again, i don't think any of this would have happened it. would have been all politics just the house. but, for those whistleblowers credibility follow coward and share with the american people spotlight on it. if they can tie this to joe biden. i think you are right, laura, democrats are going to look for off ramp and look to the hair gel governor in california. >> good luck ron desantis that didn't go so well for newsom. chick-fil-a back to political question all tied up in politics what he they're doing to trump political air about it.has a whether it should or not i'm not saying it. shouldn't but it is because of the nature of the business here. what does this mean for joe biden looking at the -- is he looking at this saying his son is going to be under the legal microscope to a really severe extent, could be going to prison, depending on how many counts and the severity of these

charges. would this be the time for joe biden to say, you know something? i got to focus on my family, i have got to focused on living out the rest of my life and trying to calm things counsel for my orbit of family that is obviously been engulfed in these financial controversies? >> well, it's funny, laura, i was just racking my brain brain trying to remember the last time i can't remember the last time we were looking at indictment like this for a family member this close to a sitting president got to be a nuclear bomb going off for the biden family got to be terrifying for a politician gearing up to run for re-election other part of this regardless even if joe biden is completely untainted by any of this in any sort of legal sense or any sort of business sense which i would be highly skeptic of, even if that were

the case, the -- he still has lied to the american people about it over and over and over again communications with hunter hunter's business associates. the work that hunter was doing. he was doing using his father to help him do that business and maybe, you know. somehow or another. joe biden just had no idea that. well, that sent entirely an excuse, actually. really bad thick. going into election year. the idea of an impeachment. i don't particularly like the timing of that i would rather hash this out in a political campaign. at the end of the day, all that matters is what voters want voters are looking at this and thinking about lies. and whatever the legal stuff is, this is not who they thought

they were voting for in 2020. >> laura: this is not what the democrats need on the heels of this disastrous series of polls that have come out about joe biden. lowest point on the president, on the economy. on the border. the number guys of young americans who say that they will have to move from their community of their -- or their neighborhood because of the me. i have never seen a number like that. go back to 2008 or people have to get up and move because they can't afford to live in biden's economy. charlie, sean, stay there though because i want to bring in contributor and law professor jonathan turley. jonathan, we don't know the details this a bombshell central district of california, federal grand jury had been convened in los angeles. it looks like from the early reporting that this could be related to criminal tax violations. a lot of money coming into

hunter through various accounts. various channels. could, perhaps, not have been accounted for because a lot of questions will be asked if you did account for them on your taxes. what's your reaction to this? >> well, we have been watching this district because this is where the special counsel originally wanted to bring tax charges. and was effectively prevented from doing so both the u.s. attorneys in california and d.c. said no. we are not going to work with you on this. ultimately, he was given special counsel status. and there was a great deal of pressure because of the house investigation of the enormous amounts of money that were brought in by hunter from these sources. and so, we have been expecting this, obviously, as a possibility. there's a couple of things here that we are going to have to wait to see. the likelihood is that it is, in fact, criminal tax charges.

the likelihood is that they are felony charges. but, the department of justice allowed the statute of limitations to run on the most serious allegations facing hunter. these large sums of money that came in around 2017. when this matter was -- it was being handled by this team, including these whistleblowers, who testified before congress. they warned the justice department as did others of us in print, that you're allowing the statute of limitations to run. i mean, this was an openly discussed issue. not just in the department of justice. but in editorials. and they did precisely that. they let the statutes expire. so the question is what are they charging and what did they lose? second issue going to become more of a problem next week is whether hunter biden uses the indictment invoke the fifth

amendment to refuse to testify. to say well, now i'm charged with tax charges. and i don't want to go into a particularly closed session where you ask me these questions. so i offered to testify in public. you said no. now i have been indicted just before i was to autopsy before congress? and now i will revoke my right to remain silent. that's a possibility? right now we don't have the document but someone decided to leak the fact that this indictment was coming down, jonathan. i don't want to get into the rank speculation game here. it's not clear that hunter knew about the indictment before the public at large knew about the indictment. and walk us through that because when you are indicted for something, you are usually given a heads up, correct? >> you are told you are a target and told an indictment is forthcoming. it's not like just out of the blew? blue.

no, they knew the torpedo was in the water did. they know the indictment was about to be handed down. as you know, laura, these leaks coming out of biden and trump investigations have been a torrent during some periods. it's -- much of this seems to be coming from the department of justice. which has been accused in the past of leaks. one of the things russia gate known leaks. high ranking fbi officials. even james comey was accused of taking material and leaking it to the press after he was fired. so there is this culture, the department of justice, to use strategic leaks, we don't know where the leak is coming from here. the obvious parties that would know would be of course the department of justice and secondarily whether they form the defense not clear why the defense would want this to leak. as i said, this does give them a

possible out where they can we have now had our hand forced. you didn't accept our offer. we now have been indicted a second time. we are just going to invoke his right to remain silent. that would force congress to give him immunity if they wanted to hear from him. which they are not going to do because he is facing charges. >> laura: it's not going to happen now. you are 100 percent right. in a perverse way. just on that one issue, it is a very, very strange gift to hunter biden but obviously not long-term. i want to remind everyone what was said yesterday at a press conference when joe biden was asked directly did about his family's business dealings. this means americans admit this impeachment inquiry while you interacted with some of your son's business associates. >> i'm not going to comment. i did not. and it's just a bunch of lies.

>> didn't interact. >> they are lies. >> with business associates? >> did i not. it's lies. >> laura: i mean, jonathan, that's just false. i mean, we have multiple occasions. i mean, it's bizarre. we have multiple pieces of evidence indicating that he spoke to hunter's business associates dozens and dozens of time and had dinner with them and went golfing with them. >> reminds me of clinton's sort of chest poking saying i did not have intimate relations with that woman. i mean, basically he is saying i did not have interactions with those people. didn't work for clinton. and it's even more insulting here. you know, you have a poll showing that roughly 70% of the american people don't believe the president. they believe that he has done something unlawful or unethical. and by the way. 40% of democrats feel that way. and so the question is with almost half of the democratic party, you don't have a single

democratic member who we expect will vote for the impeachment inquiry. just the inquiry to investigate these issues. not to vote on impeachment. but to look into -- to establish whether there is grounds for impeachment. they very likely will not have a single democrat, even though a large proportion of their party believes that there was something corrupt here what the president is face something trap of his own making. he ran for office, promising, assuring the american people that he had no knowledge of these transactions of these dealings. that has been directly contradicted. hunter biden himself contradicted his father on that. you have hunter's close associate saying that that's absolute nonsense. that of course he knew. but county president now admit that? clearly he doesn't think he can. so he is in this -- this sort of

frozen amber a story he cannot possibly maintain. >> laura: this is mind blowing. very quickly, sean, given how unpredict thble investigation is. we don't know the terms of the indictment. counts. sources telling nbc tonight. we don't know what else is going to be discovered as this thing rolls on about joe biden. so this becomes a huge political liability, again, this is a political question. a liability for this party going into 2024. certainly doesn't help. >> it does the because the irs, the doj and the fbi. the politics were protecting hunter, joe and jim biden. now with the dam breaking we don't know it may very well lead to joe's brother and joe himself. you asked if joe biden was going to get out of politics, could this blow up his campaign?

absolutely not. now more than ever joe biden needs and has to win because he is the only one that is going to pardon his son if he is convicted. if he is convicted i guarantee donald trump will not do that. >> charlie, jonathan breaking moments ago. hunter biden is going to be indicted in california on the central district. we will bring you details as soon as as the specifics of the indictment are released. we'll be right back. ♪

things are snow blowing at the university of pennsylvania. ross stevens who had pledged $100 million to the school rescinded the donation in a scathing letter and they had an emergency board of trustees meeting as well. this was after the school policy president liz mcgill set off a firestorm when she and her colleagues from harvard and mit literally could not find it within themselves to clearly say that calls for genocide are not acceptable on campus. >> if it is directed, it is harassment. >> so the answer is yes? >> it is a context dependent decision, congresswoman. >> well, her hostage taker clarification sounded plate

completely disingenuous afterwards. >> in that moment i was focused on our university policy long-standing policies aligned with the u.s. constitution. i was not focused on it when i should have been. the irrefutable fact that a call for genocide of jewish people is a call for some of the most terrible violence human beings can perpetrate. it's evil, plain and simple. >> couldn't she just memorize it. she's reading it off her computer screen. this is the president of the university of pennsylvania. what is mind blowing is this woman still has her job. at the end of the meeting this afternoon the board of trustees, she was reportedly still in her position as president. a source telling the daily pennsylvanian, as usual, nothing happens. it was just an opportunity for people to state their opinions. opinions? is there actually board empathy with the president regarding her testimony? if a corporate ceo did something

to lose the company $100 million and acquitted himself as she acquitted herself, his office would have been boxed up that night. joining me now is former georgetown professor and a senior fellow at the manhattan institute. congresswoman stefanik gave her multiple opportunities to change her answer. she only went back and did the hostage take clarification because of the firestorm that brewed. otherwise she would have moved on to the next embarrassment. >> she needs to become former president mcgill. what is so important for people to realize is that those testimonies is a manifestation of six decades of work by muslim organizations that have as one mission in their lives, their destruction of the state of israel and the removal of jews from the river to the sea. they have established beachheads at our universities from harvard to uc berkeley. they are the ones that have unleashed this woke army onto our campuses calling for the

genocide of jews. that's unacceptable. >> chris, i know you and i are and surprised by this. i saw this nonsense brewing back in the mid-80s at dartmouth college. that's how long i've been watching this happening. but we are seeing this attempt to dominate campuses with this political islamicist anti-american and anti-semitic thought. it's not just anti-semitic. that's bad enough. it's anti-american and anti-christian as well. >> that's right. it all stems from the logic of so-called intersectionality which deemed any group with power, any group that has high achievements, the oppressor and any group that is at the bottom of the socio- economic ladder, and you are automatic we supposed to side with the press to. university presidents have twisted their minds in this left-wing logic so they find themselves not just supporting black lives matter in the summer of 2020, but they are also supporting hamas in these final moments of 2023 because they are

trapped ideologically. they can't get out of this trap. i think congresswoman stefanik had a brilliant got you here. it really exposes the rot at the heart of academia. these are people that are very credentialed, but they are moral morons. they need to be removed from power and the incentives have to shift dramatically within academia. isn't this the opportunity for congress to keep this going? this can't be a one off? i would bring in the presidents of all the other schools where this nonsense has been taking place where views have been shut down of conservatives. but this has obvious the been allowed to fester. really quickly. >> i am so excited that representatives stefanik is going to subpoena universities across the country. i just tweeted out to her and said i am exhibit "a". i am ready to help you however i can. we know where the receipts are buried and they are there. 2 i think this is the beginning

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presidential perspective. is there any possibility the president would end it hurting himself? >> i just said no. i just answered. go ahead. >> that was in july. no chance that joe biden will ever pardon his son. she may at some point soon wish to amend her commence. i wonder if she will have to read them from the briefing book. thanks for watching tonight. it was a wild ride. jesse is next. welcome to "jesse watters primetime". tonight, i voted