was telling you guys. i have a tree actually like feeling the christmas spirit. i don't know who i am anymore. >> i don't know -- honestly -- so it is going to be more than a dink christmas for you this year? >> no i still don't have kids. but -- you know -- >> she has a tree. step one. and then i think you have kids of a that? >> a cute tree. >> what's a dink for people who do they -- get trees normally? tom: not -- >> it is a dink no tree. oh, my gosh no. alicia: that does it for us see you next weekend "life, liberty & levin" starts right now. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

>> hello america i'm mark levin "life, liberty & levin" elite great congresswoman from new york and her terrific questioning of the president of harvard and the presidents of team and university of pennsylvania what a disgrace these people are and john ellis who is a great professor emeritus written a fantastic book the breakdown of higher education brought him on before and wrote a column other day higher education is become a threat to america. we're going to dig into what's going in on our colleges and universitieses how we let this get away from us and how we need to take back control over these institutions that receive hundreds of billions of dollars over the decades from you and me mr. and mrs. america. but before we get to our

guests -- some background i'm sure you haven't heard anywhere else. i do a lot of research for this show as you all know -- i don't you to waste your time. i don't you to waste your hour there's other things you can do well aware of that. when you come here toipght provide you with some information that you can take away. i've read two books -- that didn't want to bring to your attention that hits this subject professor steven norwood where a book third in the ivory tower conflict on american campuses. bradley heart wrote a book hitlers american friends the third reich supporters in the united states. i want you to listen to some of this it is very important, obviously, i can't read all of the the books and -- many of you are not going to -- get the books. but let me give you a taste of what's in here and chapter called the students in hitler american friends says in part american universities did little to curtail influence of progerman speakers on campus. throughout the decade german exchange students some of whom

were nazi party members likely operating as propaganda agents other speakers given mostly unchallenged platforms on university campuses. american universities therefore offer german government remarkable level of accomplishment legitimacy in the united states even after the violently anti-semitic nature of the regime had become clear. just as hitler corporate friends had shown little reluctance doing business with the reich his friends and academia maintain their own relationships with the reich. both senate subsidies and u.s. government were aware of the propaganda potential provided by american universities. testifying before the dyes committee organize they have interest on american students purpose of the exchange stiewngs to university students long to foster good will and peace among nations. the result is greater understanding he testified. but this worthwhile aim has been

neglected in the exchange of german students for america. now, american students are being indoctrinated with fascism and germany brought abroad and at home to detriment of democratic institutions in america this is the 1930s and 40s on american campuses like harvard. like the university of virginia. like columbia -- like so many of them. he goes on, around the country students and faculty alike increasingly became embroiled in unfolding international tensions as the 1930s progressed. most often it was the vocally anti-nazi professor some of whom jewish nazi who is face brunt of administrative oppression at one point-rumored that german council in new orleans offering cash to universities, that dismiss anti-nazi professors look at all of the foreign cash flowing into universities from

islamist and front groups in this country confucius institutes keep what's going on in america today in mind when i tell you what was going on -- during the third reich. the same was much less often the case for openly pronazi professors unless student or public pressure demanded action. there were apparently no sanctions leveled, for instance, but university of idaho mostly cloudy new jerseying department head traveled to a controversial declared himself to be representative of american universities west of the mississippi despite having no official remit to do so and then gave, quote, the hitler salute to the rector and building on campus bears his name today faculty members and administrators could have made a major impact by denouncing open prejudices of nazi protecting

desengdzing voices too often they lets students down by failing to do so. it goes on -- in part the campus conflicts were directly fed by the surprising degree to which american universities and faculty members remain willing to sending their students to study in the third reich. even after the anti-semitic and violent nature of naziism were clear read all about it hitler america friends you've not heard about it anywhere else in this country. but history does repeat itself and it's repeating itself today in american universities and in the american media. one more the third reich in the ivory tower by professor steven norwood complicity conflict on american campus. here is the table of contents in part, legitimatizing naziism harvard university and 1933 to '37. complicity and conflict columbia university response to fascism 1933 to '37. the 7 sisters colleges in the third reich promoting fellowship

through students exchange. respectful hear if for nazi the university of virginia institute of public affairs round tables, 1933-'41. nazi nests german department in american universities, 1933-1941 get into is this lacet a little bit relevant and crucial to context and harvard of university administration during 1930s led by james ignored numerous opportunities to take a principle stand against hitler regime and anti-semitic outrages contradicted to nazi inference to improve image in the west sound familiar it is like a concern about nazi anti-semitism shared by many harvard alumni and student leaders in warmly welcoming nazi leaders to the harvard campus inviting them to prestigious high profile social

events and striving to build friendly relations with thoroughly nazi yiewflts in germany denouncing those who protested against these actions harvards administration and many of its student leaders offered important encouragement to hitler regime as it intensified its prosecution of jews and expanded its military strength. you can see why i dug into the research and pulled this out for you. it's crucially important. the few scholar who is previously address this subject devoted insufficient attention to anti-semitism in the harvard administration and student body. and underestimated the university complicity the nazis prosecution of the jews, listen to this stuff. from 1933 when assumed the presidency of america oldest most prestigious university harvard, through 1937 -- failed to speak out against naziism many occasions when it really mattered publicly silent

to boston in may 1934. some of whose crew harvard entertained. he welcomed the high nazi official -- to the june 1934 harvard commence the in march 1935, the harvard administration permitted nazi germany council general in boston to place a wreath and delegate from harvard to the university of 550th anniversary pageant in june 1936, extended warm greetings to george agust university on june 1937 and providing friendly welcome to nazi leader president connen and others prom committed to hitler government that extend jewish businesses and from professions and savage beating of jews were

not their concern and you know what ladies and gentlemen, these administrator who is testified before the republican majority house education committee sound the same damn way. these universities are doing the same thing with islamist -- with hamas front groups care, and their network in the united states. through their faculty and tenure, through their admissions processes our country through the student visa process, which is completely out of control and unmonitored -- unvetted people coming into the country coming into our classrooms coming into our schools -- coming into our society! in the ivory towers -- of harvard, university of pennsylvania, m.i.t. and elsewhere, and, of course, as i've discussed before on this show, all supported by the

media, by "the new york times." by washington post in the 1930s and 40s and today. abandonment of the jews -- it's all right here. but the american media buried by the times it is all right here. by the american media, beyond belief all right here about the american media. college campuses, the american media, the propaganda, the defense of anti-semitism, the covering up of anti-semitism covering up jew hatred tabes on jews extermination. where do you see this? in one form or another or one degree or another you see it on msnbc and washington post where do you see this on campuses? you know 200 american campuses you see it in the streets. you see it with the professors outspoken you see it with the

student groups you see it with the students. you see it with their posters and their flags you see it all. there's a whiff of the 1930s and 40s in the air. it is a stench -- it is covering our country in a dark cloud. the democrat party is part of it just as democrat party was part of it in 1930s and 40s under franklin roosevelt refuse to bomb raillines and auschwitz refuse to allow jews to exterminate in europe from coming to the united states and the list goes on and on and on. bernie sanders, trashing israel. tlaib trashing israel. resolutions to condemn anti-semitism half of the democrats in the house vote against it. you have individuals in our media, who are effectively spokesman for hamas, and and in

academic freedom, ladies and gentlemen, it was once said by great supreme court justice that the constitution is not a suicide pack. we hear over and over again when it comes to donald trump -- that free speech has its limits. but apparently if you're a jew hating semite a poison ivy league college or host or guest in one of the corrupt news media platforms, apparently you're free to say whatever the hell you want to say. i'll be righba.

>> welcome back america we have with us representative elise stefanik who has become a superstar as far as i'm concerned house republican conference chair. on the arm services committee from new york. elite stefanik, the house republicans in the education committee held a very important hearing i notice they have done it in the senate under schumer. and that is to get to the bottom of what the hell is going on in the campuses and universities. with this anti-semitism and jew

hatred, that reminds one of almost crystal knock -- where people are marching around talking about exterminating jews -- people are hiding in their dorm rooms and in their libraries, people are afraid jews from going to class to their dorm rooms so forth and so on so you bring in the president of harvard. the president of the university of pennsylvania, the president of m.i.t., and what happened? >> they pated on the global stage, mark. what will go down in congressional history as most viewed congressional testimony in the history of the united states congress three university presidents could not answer correctly the question does calling for the genocide of jews violate their universities code of conduct when it comes to bullying and harassment? i asked the question in such a way that it would and should have been an easy yes. but not a single university president answered it correctly. instead their answers dehumanized the jewish people

the answers reeked of anti-semitism and went as far as to say well it has to move to conduct or action. and i followed up with you mean the act of committing genocide? so the world saw over one billion views of that heinous testimony and the only option mark is not only for those three university presidents to be fired because they don't deserve the dignity of resignation, but we immediate to have and we launched a thorough congressional investigation of not only those universities, but others as well that have allowed antes semitism to run rampant on college campuses. >> and we have example after example of threats and violence of violence of people being scared and so forth and so on. you know, elise stefanik you're not jewish you're what i call a rich's gentile and in this context i ask you this question if it wasn't jewish students if

it was some other minority group, do you believe the president of harvard who you questioned and who is outrageous do you believe she would have sat there said we need acts it depends on the context this and that and the other do you believe that's how hard and university of pennsylvania and m.i.t. would conduct themselves under different circumstances? >> there's no question mark that had any other group any other minority group be put in that question they would have answered it very differently without a -- any hesitation they would have said yes it 98 views code of conduct when it comes to bully and harassment that itself is telling -- again it's the double standard. it's the dehuman anyization of the jewish people and you're right. i'm not jewish but i have grown up with many jewish friends. i went to harvard hill well as early as freshman year it shocked me that president of harvard hasn't been to harvard until after the hamas terrorist

attacks against israel. and she was dean of the undergrads at harvard for years and has been at harvard for decades. so this anti-semitism is inexcusable but it needs to be rooted out at its core. in these ivory towers it has poisoned ivory towers and higher education broadly and amount that we have heard from jewish students who are rightfully fearful for their safety and security, who feel that they cannot pursue academic pursuits and go home safely to their dorms because of harassment and threats of assault from university officials i.e. producters at harvard it is inexcusable there needs to to be accountability and there will be. >> i see no urgency on biden administration and no all hands on deck government action. i see very little out of the department of justice and the civil rights division there. i see very little out of the department of education civil

rights division there and i see very little out of the department of homeland security. i see no concern about the students visas or students coming from, people are overstaying their visa i see no concern about hamas network pouring money into these colleges i see no concern about -- any of this. i don't even hear statements from the attorney general of the united states or head of the civil rights division, or clear concise statements by the president or the vice president of the united states without bringing in some other group. am i missing something? >> no you're not missing anything, mark. there's a fundamental vacuum on the leadership and joe biden should condemn and dmapgd for firing of the three university presidents. but the white house should also go a step further and support investigations and ultimately there needs to be a prosecution against, again this illegal targeting of jewish students that is happening on these college campuses.

who are funded with federal funds, federal funds are pouring into these universities which were going to defund higher institutions they allow anti-semitism but this congressional investigation which was announced by the republican chairwoman this past week at my urging we're not going to hesitate to subpoena communications, documents, all aspects of how these schools and others have mismanaged this crisis, that has been growing for years. >> when we come back i want to ask you about politics of all of this. who seems to be standing on what side -- and who is it that laid foundation making it possible for jewish students to bring lawsuits against these universities and these groups? we'll be right back.

welcome to fox news live i'm jon scott in new york heavy rain and strong winds continue to pummel northeast as a powerful storm pushes off the east coast. the storm is expected to intensify overnight and into the day tomorrow it is part of the seam system that brought a deadly tornado outbreak to tennessee and kentucky. a few areas in higher elevations could also see accumulating snow before it's all said and done. the region will begin drawing out tomorrow night. harvard and m.i.t. presidents are facing mounting pressure to resign following controversial testimony on capitol hill last week during hearing they were both unable to say that calls on

campus for genocide of jews violates the school's conduct policies. university of pennsylvania's president already stepped down following her testimony. the gop led house has launched an investigation into all three schools. i'm jon scott, now back to "life, liberty & levin." ♪ ♪ mark: welcome back america with us is representative elite stefanik elise stefanik couple of things here you have half of the democrats in house of representative who is voted against a resolution that called anti-semitism all that means zionism jews have a right to live in israel. half of them -- voted against you have a resolution that week before similar to that. and less than half of them voted for it. you have a group within the democrat party that's clearly

anti-semitic, anti-israel. what do you make of this? i mean, i see this as a rising tide within the democrat party i don't see it in the republican party correct? >> that is correct it is a rising tide unfortunately in ed today's democrat party you can see this anti-americanism continue to be lurching the old democratic party further and further to the left but i will tell you, mark, that the testimony at the hearing this past week no one has defended the answers from the university presidents and there have been calls for my colleagues who are democrats in congress and as well as democrat governors who have condemned the statements from the university presidents. and agree that they should be fired and there's no place for them. so i think that hearing was such a historic shocking moment of shocking the conscienceness of

this moment we are at time where clearly these higher institutions have lost their way and people need to find moral clarity on issues when it relates to humanity and republicans have been crystal clear and proud to call this hearing and proud to call higher institutions accountable. >> what about this executive branch we were talking about they have tools to do a hell of a lot more than they're doing and the president of the united states has a bully pulpit he wouldn't attend that rally with hundreds of thousands of people supporting israel juice and gentiles alike. as testifies flying off to meet president xi in california -- he's up in boston meeting with the former chairman of j street may be familiar with anti-israel group radical left wing group they talk islam phobia but they do that really to create

ambiguity when it comes to issue of anti-semitism and there's these constant leaks out of the administration that half of his interns are upset and half of the part -- state department is upset. again, when donald trump was president of the united states he was full throated in support of the state of israel. he signed the first executive order to extend civil rights act to anti-semitism on college campuses it is that executive order that's being used by jew herb students and threatened -- who are bringing lawsuits and yet on msnbc former democrat senator from michigan say he's worst than hitler. that he's worst than hitler -- what do you make of this? >> well that statement is just atrocious and factually inaccurate, obviously, there was no greater president of the united states a greater friend of israel than donald trump and his list of accomplishments is quite lengthy you pointed out executive order that is

executive order that is allowing jewish students to legally hold these schools accountable for the schools failure to protect the safety and security of jewish students on campus today. and this administration under joe biden has been deafeningly silence haded when it comes to l office we heard from the white house podium when it came to the press office they condemn but it needs to come from the president of the united states let alone mark weakness on global stage of joe biden. not standing strongly enough with our allies -- and there was no question that president trump strongly stood with our allies like israel but the list of joe biden's weakness is long and this is why in 2024 i think a c change and election of republicans up and down ballot starting with donald trump for president. mark: you know they wouldn't condemn goes on cnn even cnn she's questioned over and over again about horrendous atrocity

and rape and torture jean genitalia torture of women and would not condemn it without conditions she wouldn't condemn it and with the word but -- they wouldn't condemn that congresswoman. >> it's outrageous that is a leader in today's democrat party and halls of congress and today's democrat party and the white house has been definite silent and joe biden refused to condemn and joe biden has been silent again the press office condemn statements by the university presidents but the world needs to hear this from the president of the united states. and the world also needs to hear this you know who else needs to speak out against the university presidents -- chuck schumer the senate majority leader who is like myself a graduate of harvard. and he has been silent we need to hear from him on this issue. this is a time for moral leadership and he needs to speak out as well as joe biden on this issue. mark: i want to thank you for

your leadership in so many areas -- and i really mean that i think you've become a superstar up there in congress. keep up the great work and we appreciate it. god bless you. >> thank you, mark. mark: we'll be right back. ♪ ♪

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mark: welcome back america. we're here with professor john ellis distinguished professor

santa cruz i bet that was fun. written break down of higher education which we've discussed with him in the past he really is a scholar on this subject. chairman of the california association of psychological larceny he wrote a piece in "the wall street journal," titled higher ed is become a threat to america you lay it out in the article but i want to dig into deeper professor. so tell us how this has come to be and what's taking place on these campuses? >> main thing i would like people to understand much more than they apparently do is our entire educational system has been captured by a radical left far left sect. and this is complete catastrophe for the country and our society cannot let this radical group take over its entire educational system and use it for its own purposes. this something must be done to stop this. in the year, in article --

i listed a number of really catastrophic problems that this society is facing. that everyone can see -- for example, crime out of control, old beautiful cities like san francisco made unlivable by that our children's test scores in the schools have just terrible disgrace advance society really. borders and a complete chaos by design not by neglect not by accident. i explained how every single one of these huge problems this society faces now can be traced back to the corruption of higher education system by a political radicals. on the campuses the nuclear family and that sort of suburban house with a two parents, two children a dog and a -- which everybody else sees as rather pleasant place in the

fulfillment of the american dream -- on campus that's viewed with horror. the average radical professor sees that as a source of all evil because that's the place where those awful traditional american values are passed on from parents to children. so radical activist know they have to break that -- that transmission from parents to children that's why we're seeing the fight between parents and teachers at the moment all over the country. so i tried to lay out in the article all of the ways in which very serious problems which we've seen the like of before in this country. the severity of them, the unexpectedness of them. they all originate from these corrupt campuses -- mark: you know professor we can also track millions of dollars pouring into these college and universities from foreign governments as they did in a 30s and 40s from the nazi

regime -- they're pouring into this country through hamas network of funding operations they're pointing to this country through the communist party with ka institutes and people coming through student visas many don't leave that's not tracked carefully where they're coming from not assimilating into our society that's become obvious. these college campuses are almost like little empires they demanding money from the taxpayers we spend billions of dollars on them if you want any kind of oversight or -- any effort by the same entities that fund them to look at them whether it is congress or state legislature they yell about academic freedom, they yell about free speech. they yell about right wingers trying to ban book and professors on and on when i was writing i came across several articles that explained how faculty often hires faculty they

hire the same faculty that had the same ideology and belief system. they only give grants and bonuses and other forms of merit to people who agree with their point of views so we have basically this -- activity that's going on within the faculty and then many of the administrators are chosen from that faculty. is that your experience is that what your knowledge tells you as well? >> absolutely now administration used to be the quality control. you know, administration would answer to the most distinguished most brilliant members of the faculty. and they had a license really in a way granted by those faculty to police the quality of what was going on in the classrooms. now, that's broken down completely the radicals are in charge and radicals are seesed control of the appointment committees for administrators so

college administrators quality was control they are, in fact, now different from now their job now is to protect radical faculty they are extensions of the radical so that -- anyone who says to well -- why don't we have administrators get a groip grip of this situation no those administrators are creatures of the radicals now. they're licensed by the radicals to protect the radicals. and if anyone complains about the quality of what's going on about the fact that radical in our nation instead of real education, the administrators all stand in the way they stop any inquiry -- mark: when we come back i want to discuss with you what might we do about this certain option we may or may not have. we'll be right back.

>> welcome back america. you state certainly imply professor ellis that there needs to be some kind of oversight there needs to be something that is done because these entities have completely unraveled and they've spun out of control. and they're baskly radical left

wing indoctrinate mills so we're raising generations of young people who hate their family, who hate america who hate american history who hate really becoming racist with critical race theory and markist and islamists are pouring into their books -- into their teachings, into their lectures and seminars that's going on without any counterpoint of views. don't you think it is necessary that these state legislatures spend most money on college and universities as well as the federal government student loans -- other grants and so forth and so on -- have an obligation as they would with any other industry to ensure that the moneys are spent properly that they aren't going to radicalism? for the purpose of undermining and destroying our own nation

can't congress or the state legislatures at least make an effort to get their hands around what's taking place? what do you think of that? >> state legislature is one of the places that where you might expect some activity. there is some activity going on in a few states of north carolina, florida, but not enough. but even in red states where there's large republican majorities. like idaho, there's not much going on. they ought to be a lot more going on. but basically what people need to grasp is -- that money is being given to these campuses for the purpose of education -- and that money is being taken by radicals and used for something completely different. so you know, they're hired to do a certain job they need to do a completely different job that's embezzlement they're taking money or false pretenses but the job they want to do is to complete their project to

completely transforming the country so that it is in their image that radical political image although, i mean, what that would amount to now god only knows because everyone knows that -- markist countries don't work but i think -- basically the main motive force of those campus radicals is to break down this society that's their first goal. i mean, i don't think they know what they're really rying to achieve in terms of the end goal. but i think -- that if state legislatures would wake up to the fact that something is happening. this fraudulent money is being used for purpose that it was not given for -- then they could simply get in there, put in new administrators and it is easy enough for state legislature to say we're insisting on a new president of the campus as a condition of continue funding. and once a new presidency and legislature should lean on him

and tell him that anyone who is in a classroom who is using that money the money he's paid as a professor to do, to do instead work of political activism political recruiting for his favorite political cause, that person should be taken out of that classroom. ten years shouldn't protect someone who is hired to do one job and does something that is not authorized that's -- that's in a sense that's not doing the job you paid to do. legislature could easily say that. but the problem we have i think is the public attitudes are lagging behind reality. i mean, a lot of people have fond memories of people on college campuses they think 30 years ago a wonderful time undergrad at princeton and harvard and found it difficult to believe that these institutions could have

deteriorated so much. and i find even talking to republicans sometimes people look to me and say i just can't believe what you're saying to me and i respond well i don't blame you for not blaming it is almost incredible degree to which these places have -- have gone bad, in fact. but what we ought to do is be more public on this issue and -- the public has got to be brought up to speed. mark: let me make few suggestions here number one parents need to take a very direct responsibility in where they sending their kids to school. they're not required to sending them to these schools no matter what they're called ivy league or not number two, corporations need to stop supporting these universities as well. they have their stadiums named after them so forth they need to cut off funds. number three it is good to see big donors cutting off donors to universities all donors who believe in this country have to cut off donors -- donations to the universities,

number four, there ought to be lawsuits brought against universities for the misspending and misapplication of funds, by the very students and their parents who send their kids there they're not getting educated but undoctrinated a lot of things that can be done that are not being done that must be done, and as you pingt out there's a particular focus by these radicals and education departments on the journalism departments, on the behavioral sciences departments, because these are the areas that have the most influence on the rest of the public. professor ellis i cannot thank you enough he's written this great book i want to remind you break down of higher education -- i cannot encourage you strongly enough to get a copy of this book and read a great piece in "the wall street journal" higher ed is a threat to america. thank you my friend. >> thank you for having me. mark: we'll be right back.

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>> welcome back as i've written in the democratic party hates america, right here the democrat party and marxist agenda have devoured our culture, all the things that you see taking place k-12 in colleges and universities in our media and our border all these things you see taking place all roads go

through colleges and universities but not all colleges and universities go to the democrat party. what's one of the things joe biden has done even in violation of the constitution and the supreme court order, what has he done he subsidize student by forgiving student loans which he has no right to do it. they take care of their base, those people in the streets, those people at colleges universities and professors, universities and students yelling all these anti-semitic things anti-american, anti-israel, antifreedom they are democrats, they're all good about democratic if they vote at all and a vote republican that is a fact the democrat party by did in the past have some responsibility and need some accountability. see you next time on "life, liberty & levin". ♪ ♪ ♪