for keeping their job. >> national center for transgender equality tells fox acceptance and support can literally save a young person's life. all young people deserve to feel like they belong and our schools should be safe places for all students to thrive. peter flaming says he is black balled and unable to find another teaching job. >> sandra: mike, thank you. we'll watch to see what happens. >> john: right now, the biden administration is reportedly weighing whether it will strike back against iranian-backed houthis after attacks over the world. >> sandra: the world's largest shipping companies are diverting ships from the transit route. lloyd austin commenting on the ongoing threat earlier. >> these attacks are reckless, dangerous and violate international law.

remind you, this is not just a u.s. issue. it's -- this is an international problem and deserves an international response. >> john: so, what does that response look like and will the u.s. lead it? hello, john roberts in washington, here we go for another hour. >> sandra: sandra smith in new york, this is "america reports". shooting down drones and missiles in the red sea, troops in the middle east are on high alert. >> john: new attacks on u.s. bases ins iraq and syria, that brings the total to 100 attacks since october 7th. right to the chief national security correspondent jennifer griffin live at the pentagon with more. >> early this morning cayman island flagged chemical shipping vessel issued a distress call, a houthi attack drone had struck the tanker. 11th attack on international shipping in the red sea since the gaza conflict began.

the same u.s. navy destroyer, u.s.s. carney, who released this video two weeks ago showing it intercepting houthi missiles and drones in several hours' long defensive battles over the past month answered the distress call this. comes after the carney shot down a swarm of 14 one-way attack drones launched from houthi controlled areas of yemen. lloyd austin who traveled to the region to meet allies to figure out how to address the threat would meet with allied defense ministers tomorrow to announce a new maritime task force. at least five international shipping companies have ceased shipping through the red sea and the strait near yemen as the threat keeps increasing. an we are going to be sure we are doing everything we can to ensure freedom of navigation in the area. the strait is -- straits are

pretty important as you know. large amount of commerce flows through there, international commerce flows through there on a daily basis. >> the problem is, a maritime task force was created a year ago and the houthis have ignored it. the u.s. is caught between uae and saudi arabia who favor different approaches. saudis have a ceasefire with the houthi want to negotiate and uae wants to strike at the missile launchers. houthis say they will target any ship going to or from israel but most of the ships targeted so far, john, have nothing to do with israel. in the meantime, shipping companies are going to have to divert around the tip of africa adding to the cost which eventually, of course, will be passed on to consumers. john. >> john: well, we will see if the u.s. steps it up at all. jen griffin at the pentagon, thank you. sandra. >> sandra: anti-israel protests planned across new york city today, targeting public transit,

including penn station and grand central station during the holiday rush. an eye on those and updates as they happen. on college campuses, starting to see legal challenges rising from antisemitism. a non-profit is suing the university of california berkeley for allegedly allowing harassment towards jewish students on campus. the university telling fox it is in a bind and can't legally stop these anti-israel demonstrations. eric shawn joins us live in studio. more on this. there are more and more of these lawsuits. what is happening with them now? >> yeah, there are more of these lawsuits, sandra. the reason is back in 2019 the federal civil rights law under then president trump while he expanded it, in addition to gender, race, country of national origin, president trump also expanded that to let the universities be sued for antisemitism and because of

that, the suits are piling up. berkeley is sued by the washington, d.c. based brandies center for human law, jewish students say they have been barred from activities and groups that they have not been protected by the university from verbal and physical attacks, they have even, some said, had to attend something called palestinian 101 in one of the berkeley clubs, a graduate student told us she does not feel safe on the campus because she is jewish and when she raised fears to administrators, she says those concerns were dismissed. >> i have received communication that tells me this, like accept the status quo or else, just like how i received an email from someone who works at the university saying that as a jewish student leader, to keep myself safe, avoid certain parts

of the campus. >> the university says this about the suit, u.c. berkeley believes the claims made in the lawsuit are not consistent with the first amendment of the constitution or what the facts of what is actually happening on our campus. university has long been committed to confronting antisemitism and to supporting the needs and interests of its jewish students, faculty and staff. you know, ken marcus says antisemitism on american campuses is growing and widespread. >> even before october 7th, we saw many extremist groups excluding jews from different programs saying no zionists from our book club, no zionists in our student government. >> other lawsuits, the university of pennsylvania, new york university, wellesey, and columbia melon, and seems the

list is only growing. >> sandra: it's hard to believe that is the case. thank you so much. john. >> john: sandra, as antisemitism spreads on these college campuses, a new harvard harris poll reveals how little gen z actually knows about the conflict in the middle east. let's bring in mark penn, co-founder of the harvard harris poll, and ceo and former adviser to the clintons. i thought this was stunning, mark, reading through this poll. let me pull up on the screen for folks at home to see, some of the data. this was among 18 to 24-year-olds, do you support israel, 50%, support hamas, 50%. was the october 7th attack justified, yes, 60%. is it okay for students to call for genocide of jews, 53% said yes. 31% said israel has no right to exist, 44% said israel is not a democracy. 41% said hamas rules

democratically and 45% said hamas let's gay people live together openly. and my question, what are young people learning these days? >> no wonder you are seeing the demonstrations by young people, because they have been taught that hamas is the democracy, hamas is the tolerant society, and not israel, and that in fact in new polling we have coming out today, 18 to 24, 2-thirds believe that jews are an oppressor race. and contrast it to the rest of the country or 65 plus, who are with israel, 95-5, and don't believe any of the things college students. we have a huge gen z divide

here. outside of gen z have some attitudes but boy, 18 to 24, you are in a completely different environment clearly generated and connected to social media and far removed from what everybody else in the united states believes. >> john: the disconnect is just incredible over the age demographics. you wrote this along with andrew stein in "the new york post" in an op-ed. said kids never been perfect and rebellious, but never this far removed from reality, affected by social media and political currents that have sold them pure propaganda. i was very young lad in the rebellious 1960s, but the climate then was completely different in terms of the flow of information from what it is now. >> well, look, i think those protests in the 60s and i point out that all those people who support israel, 95-5 during their day were participants in a

lot of protests in colleges and so people do mature over time. but i've never seen anything like this. i've never seen support for a terrorist group, i've never seen such upside down attitudes because none of these kids have been to israel, really have a thorough understanding and only know what they have been told. they are far removed from the 1948 resolution approved by over two-thirds of the world creating israel in the first place. they have no historical sense. its incredible. >> john: it really is quite incredible. you take aim along with andrew stein at the harvard president gay, you say the campus rot is exemplified by the congressional performance by harvard president cla claudine gay, harvard is dead last on the free speech rankings, she suddenly champions free speech if it's antisemitic

hate speech. mark, you look at the campuses these days, eject students for using the wrong pronouns. we have cases of professors who are being fired or at least threatened to be fired because they are using the wrong pronouns, safe spaces at georgetown university for law students to have a place to go cry but yet if you are a jewish student it's like go pound sand. >> and this is why a lot of people are upset. they have been convinced over the years that about saying anything that could trigger a student should be something that shouldn't be said on campus, and all of a sudden these presidents are asked, well, what about genocide for jews, oh, well, that's free speech we have to look at and people did a double take scene around the world. no one expected that testimony to be what was mccarthyism, have you no shame moment, a moment which people realized this doesn't make any sense.

>> john: it certainly doesn't make any sense and again, you know, what students are learning in universities across the country these days, i think is going to be the subject of a big examination in the coming election year. mark, always fascinating to talk to you. thank you so much for joining us. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> john: sandra, one thing we are, a couple things, actually, early admissions applications at harvard are down 17%, and there are reports that wealthy donors are also withholding about a billion dollars worth of donations to harvard. so, we saw what happened at u-penn when ross stephens said i'm taking back my $100 million donation. see if money talks. >> sandra: and ken griffin from citadel, one of the biggest donors, early on he said he would not hire anybody at his firm who showed anti-israel colors, but where does he stand on donation.

big questions what some of the big donors will do. time will tell. >> john: the poll was stunning, if you get a chance, folks, read it. it's incredible. >> sandra: now this. >> chaotic, uncontrolled, open, free for all. dangerous. >> it's a wreck. it's a train wreck. >> day one, anybody who takes this office has to attack the border. >> sandra: that's not at the border, that's iowa. those are voters in the midwest far from the border sounding off on the crisis as it reaches cities and towns all over the country. the senate right now is delaying holiday recess as members struggle to reach a deal with the white house on border security. we are going to have the latest on that for you next. >> john: plus texas governor greg abbott is taking matters into his own hands, signing a controversial new bill to tighten border security and make it a state crime to cross into texas illegally. sitting down with brandon judd

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holiday recess to deal with the threat at the southern border as migrants cross into texas and arizona by the thousands each and every day. hillary vaughan live on capitol hill with more. republicans are demanding money for border security in the supplemental. are they any closer to a deal? >> they are closer to a deal but not a done deal and say don't expect a border deal for christmas. instead, a vote after the new year is a lot more likely after alejandro mayorkas was at the negotiating table several times with senators over the weekend, growing recognition among some moderate democrats that the exploding border is a big problem for them. >> i think it's dangerous to our country what's happening right now and the majority of people who are sensible, reasonable and responsible understand that to be so. we are sold out. we are overcapacity right now. the and we have to control this. >> the sticking points are not really over money, but policy.

republicans want major changes to the parole and asylum policies for illegal immigrants and senators are working toward a framework agreement, no one wants to vote for this until they review the legislative text, something that senator chris murphy assures will happen, "nobody is voting on this until they have time to review the text. every day we are closer, not further." across capitol hill, house republicans are pessimistic that anything that comes out of the senate negotiations they would be able to thomas. dan crenshaw says the house should be negotiating with the white house. >> biden does have more of an incentive to make a deal because his re-election is definitely not guaranteed. they have an incentive to give in to compromise with republicans on border security policy, so i don't know what we are doing in the house, i don't know why we are not sending negotiators straight to the white house. we are majority in the house, we

have the leverage. >> and john, senator kirsten sinema says one of the reasons they are so meticulous, they want to make sure whatever they pass actually sticks and does not get caught up in litigation and has to be rewritten and repassed later down the road. they want to make sure whatever they agree to they can actually deliver on. john. >> john: well, that would be a novel thing. as is reading the text of the bill. hillary vaughan for us. thank you. sandra. >> sandra: texas governor greg abbott is taking the border crisis into his own hands. he has signed two bills, it happened today, including one that is causing some controversy. makes illegal border crossings into texas a state crime and will give texas police the ability to arrest illegal migrants. but critics are already pushing back on that. national border patrol council president brandon judd is here live in brownsville, texas. pop up the live shots at the border, we know this is

something that border patrol agents are dealing with every single minute every single hour of every day right now. and it seems that we are getting into a worse situation by the day. so, brandon, the concern is from critics that this would be to racial profiling. do you see a problem with abbott's move here? >> not at all. in fact, if you read the text of the bill, if anybody would do that, they would understand that you cannot take somebody into custody simply based upon their race. you have to have probable cause or in other words, you have to have facts that you can articulate that somebody crossed our border illegally and that became a state crime. it has nothing to do with immigration, so if you try to compare this with arizona's sb1070, supreme court struck down in 2012, this is different. apples to oranges. this is a state law that is based upon trespassing upon

entering the state of texas in a location that is not authorized. that is going to be completely different, why i believe this law will be upheld by the supreme court, and i believe this law is also going to stem the flow of illegal immigration into texas. it's going to be a great law for texas, but what we are going to see, see the cartels, they are going to shift over to new mexico, arizona, california, like what they are currently doing in the state of arizona right now. >> sandra: you think it will work, and also serve as a deterrent for those looking to come in. meantime, in brand-new fox polling, the question was asked for people to describe the situation along our country's southern border. those that see it as an emergency, 34%. a major problem, 45%. just 20% believe it's a minor problem. so that makes eight out of ten who say in this country that our border crisis is an emergency or a major problem. so, why are we not seeing the

federal government treat this like it is and the state governor, abbott, having to step in in the capacity that he is. >> strictly comes down to whether president biden believes if he gets it under control it's going to help his political aspects. he does not believe that to be the case. he previous if he is to get the border under control he's going to lose that base of support that are going to go out to the polls. so he wants to maintain that base. he doesn't want to do what's right by the american people, he wants to do what's right by what he thinks is for himself. his own political aspirations. he understands the woke mob want this, the chaos at the border, and that is a large part of his base support so he is pandering to the base support, rather than doing what's right by the american people. >> sandra: when asked if we should increase border agents, 79% say yes, deporting illegal immigrants, 67%.

so, a majority of people believe these things should happen, including punishing those that hire illegals, letting those with jobs stay, using u.s. military at the border and building a border wall, 54%. meanwhile, when polled about the most important issue facing the country today, brandon, those that say the economy, we know it, that is still top of the list, 35%. but highlighted in the red there, immigration and the border, number two, at almost 20% of people who see this as the biggest. i don't know if the economy and immigration and the border are all together disconnected, by the way. the more migrants that we have all these towns and cities and states dealing with all over the country, this is costing a lot of money, it's increasing taxes for so many, and some of these cities that are taking them in, the sanctuary cities, but it is no doubt one of the top issues for voters heading into an election year. >> yeah, these two topics are absolutely interrelated.

i personally believe we should be looking at the economy as the number one issue but border security and illegal immigration should be number two. i have to compare administration's, and when i go back and look at the trump administration and what they were able to accomplishment as far as border security and the safety of the american people, we were able to go after the cartels, after their profits, control our border more than we had ever done in my -- in 45 previous years, so when you look at that and then of course when you look at what you just said, how much taxes go up, the burden on the hospital systems, on to our school systems, everything is interrelated and if we were able to get that under control we would be able to drive down taxes, able to put more money into the american people's pockets. it's interrelated, we have to look at it that way and if we do, we will come to the right conclusions and we will vote the right people in. >> sandra: brandon judd on all of that, thank you, brandon. good to have you on.

>> good to be with you. thank you. >> john: hunter biden not the only member of the biden family to be in the cross hairs of house republicans and their impeachment inquiry. is the president's brother in legal jeopardy, too? >> sandra: that is a good question, and as hunter potentially faces contempt of congress charges, focus is now turning to the democrat lawmaker who appeared to help arrange last week's surprise news conference. jonathan turley is here on whether congressman eric swalwell could be in hot water.

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>> david: sandra, it appears they are. house republicans are in contact with james biden's attorney. james once worked at a d.c. consulting firm and republicans believe he has plenty of knowledge of hunter biden's business deals and how the deals may be related to the president. james comer recently subpoenaed the president's brother for a closed door interview and so far being cooperative. >> we are communicating with his attorney. we expect to see him very soon. i'm going to hold off criticism flt president's brother. obviously he has due process and we have heard from his attorney. we are trying to make that work and i feel like that will happen soon. >> david: james biden was swept up into an fbi investigation into a mississippi attorney, he once did business with him. the fbi secretly recorded

conversations with james biden, scruggs went to federal prison. james biden was not the subject of the investigation, never charged or accused of wrongdoing. his nephew hunter is fighting two court cases, one for federal firearms charges in delaware and tax charges in california. ignored a subpoena to testify behind closed doors. house republicans want to move forward with contempt. it's likely james biden will come in after the new year, given the house is out of session until then. >> john: to what david mentioned a moment ago, hunter biden's move to defy a congressional subpoena, not only sparked demands of contempt of congress but also the lawmakers orchestrated the daring public statement outside the capitol, california democrat eric swalwell could be in trouble, too. jonathan turley, swalwell in a

secretary, but reiterate what james comer said of contempt of congress against hunter biden when he appeared on friday. >> hunter biden displayed arrogance and entitlement we felt he had the whole time. he showed up at the exact same time he was supposed to be in for a deposition, a normal deposition from a normal congressional investigation and he just goes out and basically gives congress a middle finger, goes out and says he wants to make a statement and have a press conference. >> john: it wasn't exactly a press conference because typically in press conferences you answer questions of the press, he just made a statement and turned on his heel and back into his car and left. again, let's get to swalwell in a second. where do you think the contempt of congress proceedings are going to go with hunter here? >> jonathan: it's a slam dunk case for a valid subpoena. a lot of nonsense how the vote

to formally approve the impeachment inquiry came afterwards and somehow hunter could just defy the earlier subpoena. that's just not true. the subpoena was issued on behalf of two committees, they listed three different grounds. that includes the oversight committee that has independent subpoena authority. you can't just defy a subpoena. he could go in, he could appear, and not answer questions under the fifth amendment. that's your option. but you can't stand outside the capitol and thumb your nose at congress. >> john: all right, swalwell now, the california democrat appeared to be acting as a sherpa of sorts when hunter biden was on the hill, apparently, used his credentials to reserve the spot across the street from us, where hunter biden gave that public statement. could swalwell be in trouble here, if nothing else, aiding and abetting? >> jonathan: i don't think this would constitute a crime but

raises serious questions under the house rules. i've never seen anything quite like that. you know, there is plenty of members associate one popular causes. what's different here is that swalwell reserved congressional space. that is congressional space. through his office, presumably using his staff, to defy the subpoena, a valid subpoena of the house. this is a former impeachment manager for the house. so the question is what does the house do about that? they have a lot of options. from censure, to whether he should be allowed to be on committees. he's already been thrown off one committee or barred from being a member of the intelligence committee. but the key here is really that we need to know to what extent did he not only facilitate but encourage what could be a federal crime. and in my view, it was federal criminal contempt what hunter did on that day.

>> john: jason smith, the house ways and means committee chairman thinks that hunter biden not only might have been involved in some sort of criminal activity and potentially by association swalwell as well, but he says that hunter biden has precipitated a constitutional crisis. listen to what he said. >> it's clearly a two-tiered justice system. the fact that hunter biden was supposed to be in halls of that building going through a congressional subpoena through depositions and he defied that by standing on the footsteps of the capitol and doing a press conference, the fact that he is the president's son and he's doing that is creating a very severe constitutional crisis. >> john: is that the case, is that an overstatement, how do you read it? >> jonathan: well, certainly agree with the chairman's view of the gravity of what occurred. i would not call it a crisis. i think people call things constitutional crisis. we can handle things like that, we have laws.

he could be criminally charged. this is not a particularly difficult lift legally to bring a contempt action against him. but what's really breathtaking here is the democrats who have defended him did this precise approach that is they had witnesses come in for depositions before they appeared in public hearings and that included eric swalwell who participated in that, and lots of reasons why you do that. but none of that matters. you are not allowed to say i'm going to respond to a subpoena in the way that i want to when i want to. i mean, that sense of entitlement is what makes this all breathtaking. >> john: professor turley, always great to get your legal take on things. appreciate it. >> jonathan: thank you, john. >> sandra: pope francis signing off on a brand-new policy when it comes to same-sex couples and marriage. we will have details on the vatican's new policy next. >> john: plus houthi attacks in

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companies passing through the red sea at just massive amounts, 17,000 ships per year, that is 10% of global trade. if you get a disruption like that, could this lead to higher gas and oil prices? >> absolutely, and we have seen so much encouraging news, inflation start to fall, gas prices begin to fall a little bit, the lowest prices in the entire year and here is a disruption like you said. 1 trillion in annual commerce goes through the suez canal. so when you disrupt that, of course when you have that disruption, when you have ships needing to go around africa that adds thousands of miles to their trip and increases the cost directly to those shipping companies which are, of course, passed down to consumers, higher gasoline prices, higher prices for -- >> sandra: this sounds terrifying, heading into the holiday season, looking to have a few extra bucks in our pocket, but that's the reality of the

situation and general kellogg, dan, joined us top of the last hour, a similar warning what is happening in the region. listen. >> msc, mediterranean shipping and mersk as well, pulling out of shipping through the red sea and the suez canal and now they have to go around to cape hope and the problem with that, it adds 7 to 10 days just on the ship's journey. >> sandra: dan, your thoughts. >> i'll take the other side of the terrifying things. general kellogg is correct. when you redirect your ships underneath the cape of good hope, the bottom of africa to go around, it does add 7 to 10 days, it could be 14, 20 days, depending on a number of factors and adds time and cost. but while i'm on the other side of the terrifying side of things, we have seen it before, not the first time the red sea or the suez canal have had issues, and a temporary nature, assuming it's not prolonged. is it going to be the type of

thing to raise prices in a week for the holiday season, i severely doubt it. >> sandra: we could see it down the road, see how quickly they could recover. just this update from our pentagon producer that it is now expected that they are going to announce some sort of international task force to protect shipping from these houthi attacks in the red sea. i suppose we will see where they get with this. announcing formation of operation prosperity guardian. it will be a new task force to sort of combat this from happening. it's not just oil and gas, it's a lot of other goods interrupted. i want to ask you about taxes, always a popular conversation around christmas dinner tables everywhere. "wall street journal," era of big taxes is upon us, pointing out that u.s. taxes accounted for nearly 30% of all gdp. that is not sustainable. tell me otherwise. >> no, you are right, it's not sustainable, and the good news is a portion of this is attributable to economic growth.

when they make more money, they pay higher taxes. the tax rates are too high and tax revenue has begun to really take a toll on the american economy. and as we continue down that trend line, as we inch closer to the european economies, the european models of high taxes and high social safety nets, we will experience the same european growth, higher unemployment, and less gdp growth and poorer people generally speaking. it's not a path we want to go down. >> sandra: no, and if larry kudlow was sitting here, he would tell you lower taxes promotes higher growth. 30% of gdp, up 25% from 2019. highest level since at least 1965, dan. what are you going to tell me me about this? >> far be it for me to ever disagree with my great friend larry kudlow. but will say, since 2000, arbitrary starting point, spending is up -- i'm sorry, revenues up 170%. spending up 270% and over the

same time frame, the amount of debt the u.s. has, from 5 trillion today to 26 trillion or so. that is unstainable. push back against the era of big taxes is here. i'm saying it as a nonpolitical actor, the facts of the math, we don't we spend more than we -- >> sandra: if taxes are going up faster than economic growth, tax revenues are are rising as a share of gdp, impact is outpassing economic growth, a growing government role in the economy. that many economies like larry kudlow would tell you is a problem. >> i agree. and the short-term as we discussed, a matter of economic growth more than tax rates going up. >> sandra: appreciate the discussion. thanks to both of you. john. >> john: sandra, pope francis approving a new vatican policy

to allow same-sex couples to be blessed by roman catholic priests, should not be under an exhaustive moral analysis. lauren, a big deal. >> it is, it's basically how pope francis is reconciling the church's doctrine on marriage, the church still recognizes as being only between a man and a woman, and with being caring and loving to people in same sex relationships. pope francis has allowed priests to bless same-sex couples, suggesting it could be offered under some circumstances if they did not confuse it with the sacrament of marriage. german cardinals had questions of same-sex couples and people in irregular relationships. francis debernardo calls it a monumental moment. >> those who are opposed to

lgbtq people in the church kept saying church teaching cannot change, which was totally incorrect. and here we finally have a good solid example of church teaching changing. >> vatican news says the doctrine regarding news does not change or signify approval of the union. one priest says it's a disaster for the church. >> the pope is teaching something contrary to catholic teaching by saying the church has the power and the authority to ask god to favor and call down god's grace upon behavior that god condemns. this is -- this is wrong. >> john, back to you. >> john: all right, thank you, lauren, appreciate it. >> sandra: weight watchers and oprah winfrey giving weight loss drugs like ozempic a major boost.

what's happening there? we'll have that for you next.

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goli, taste your goals. >> sandra: fox news alert, live new york city grand central where some anti-israel protests have emerged. these were planned protests. they are expected at major

transit hubs, including grand central. those attending were told to bring banners, bring bull horns. well, that is now happening. these are live pictures right now, as far as commuters are concerned. right now, it's one of the busiest times of the year to pass through grand central. you have people coming into the city to shop, holiday events, commuters galore. metro north, comes and goes through grand central, expect possible access restrictions due to demonstrations in the area. they'll provide ongoing guidance. but john, just remember, we have already had multiple events at grand central where they had to lock the doors to get all these people out before they let commuters in, in fact they tell a lot of the commuters they have to go up to harlem to catch their trains to go up to west chester, for example, because they stopped letting people into grand -- this causes major disruptions for new york commuters. >> john: and that's the reason why they do it, they want to do

it, people have said ok, how does causing inconvenience for people draw people to your cause? an interesting sign there in the very left-hand side of the screen, queers for liberated palestine. they may not know that hamas is not actually friends with the lgbtq+ community. southwest airlines hit had a major fine from last year's holiday season. are they ready for all the travel this christmas? that story coming up.

>> john: southwest airlines getting hit with a penalty, $140 million fine for violating consumer protection laws last holiday season. southwest has made changes to avoid the same issues this year. let's hope so. >> sandra: i think the quote is we messed up. thanks for joining us. i'm sandra smith. >> john: "thy"