steve from new hampshire, "i can't wait to see what trump's plans are for colorado on his one-day dictatorship." it looks like we have 49 states now. samantha from texas, "harvard does not lie, cheat, and steel. they elaborate, collaborate, and braille." well done. "no lobster on the first date. it's too messy. also there's an expectation --" we don't need to get into that. jerry from new jersey. "i've been happily married for 37 years and i still pay the bill. i don't ever end. but that's the end of this show, and the end of "jesse watters primetime" for the years. well, hosted by me, of course. merry christmas. i am watters and this is my world. ♪ ♪ >> welcome to this special edition of "hannity."

i'm kellyanne conway in for sean, and tonight the situation at the southern border is completely and totally out of control. but president biden doesn't seem to care. he looks the other way, while we as a nation look weak. biden is too busy with other "more important" matters, like hanging out with mariah carey. watch. >> hello, mariah. how are you? i'm a fan. >> i'm a fan. >> i just want you to know. ♪ ♪ >> we love it! thank you! >> come on. >> kellyanne: "all i want for christmas." the president also spent time with another celebrity, comedian conan o'brien, for his first sitdown interview in months. take a look. >> if you stay connected to these things that embarrass you when you were a kid, whatever it was, speech impediment, anxiety, feeling awkward, not being a

good athlete -- my list goes on and on and on. having weird hair, having a weird name. >> i wish i had your hair. i'd trade right now. >> you want to say or? it comes off. it velcros on the back. >> if i could do it, i do it. >> i will mail you this tomorrow. >> my mother said, "remember, joey, the best blood you need is irish." by the way, the new corvette, electric, 0 to 60 in 2.9 seconds. >> you're going to drive that one? >> i'll give it a shot. >> between all the laughing and merriment, he did have a brief phone call with the president of mexico. but joe has zero plans to actually visit southern border between the u.s. and mexico. he's just too busy. instead, he'll be heading to camp david for a biden family christmas celebration. of course, biden's border czar, kamala harris, also has no plans

to visit the southern border. but she did make time for a trip to atlanta for the 2023 cricket celebration bowl, between howard university and florida a&m. kamala also had the time for another word salad this week. delicious. during an interview on msnbc. watch. >> i have been fortunate and blessed during the course of being vice president, has many situations where it becomes clear to me that there are -- you know, people of every age and gender, by the way, who see something about being the first that lets them know they don't need to be limited by other people's limited -- um, understanding of who can do what. >> kellyanne: that is remarkable. for all the wrong reasons. while joe and kamala enjoy the christmas season, two of their very worst cabinet members will head to mexico. but it's not clear that anyone

in this administration has the resolve to actually secure our own border. here now with the very latest from the border is our own bill melugin. bill? >> l, kellyanne, border patrol is completely overrun here. there's not a single agent out here to process these illegal immigrants behind us. they simply cannot keep up with the sheer volume of people crossing every day. case in point, take a look at the stunning footage our team shot early this morning here in lucasville. just after sunrise we have a mass cross illegally after they came through a breach in the border wall. they are coming up all over the world, a lot of adult men from africa, several of them telling us they plan to go to cities called new york, chicago, new jersey, and minnesota. he had a chance to catch up with if you are a few from around the world saying he wants to go to

philadelphia but he doesn't know why. >> where you from? >> mali. >> senegal. >> guinea. where in the u.s. do you want t? >> philadelphia. >> i philadelphia? >> i don't know the place. >> okay, so just an address in philadelphia to go to? >> and take a look at this video are drone shot in eagle pass, texas, today, another part of the border that has been completely inundated with illegal crossings. the eagle pass area saying more than 10,000 of them in the last few days alone, and like here, eagle pass seeing people from all over the world. border patrol reporting they've recently encountered people out there from bangladesh, lebanon, oman, guinea, and albania. it's no longer does venezuelans, guatemalans, and mexicans. and they are completely overwhelmed in that sector, as

well. back out here, it just continues to get worse. cbp sources telling fox news we are already at more than 200,000 migrant encounters for the month of december, only 20 days in. we are on track to hit 300,000 for the first time ever and hit the single highest monthly record ever recorded if these numbers keep up. we will send it back to you. >> thank you. the biden administration has no answers, literally. watch this. >> some illegal border crossings are being given court dates in 2031. what are they supposed to do here for seven years? >> that's a better question put to dhs. i'm not in a position to talk about specific cases like that. the president believes we've got to do better at immigration and he is willing to talk and negotiate with members of congress about immigration policy just as well as he has about border security. >> biden and harris can't get to the border, but sara carter is on location in eagle pass, texas, the site of some of the worst illegal immigration.

she joins us now along with former senior advisor to president trump, stephen miller. welcome to both of you. you heard the report from bill melugin. walk us through what you are seeing in eagle pass, and why it's one of the worst places right now for illegal immigration. >> it is certainly an area -- right behind me i have probably around 1500 people that are still being processed through a period you asked the question, why is this area so imperative? it's an area of control by trafficking organizations. the drug cartels on this part of the border and they move people in with impunity. they are running on the opposite side from p.a. just make us to matamoros and to lucasville where we have bill melugin. they utilize this area to move through because it's easier for them.

they also know that border patrol is going to be processing the people that they are pushing through. this is what is so incredible. it is as if the biden administration is aiding and abetting the drug cartels and the human traffickers. it's like they are working in sync, and we have seen it all day, kelly. i have been watching busloads of migrants, illegal immigrants, come in and then they have been pushing them out and sending them out on private buses to other parts of the state where they will then push them out into airplanes. some of them are private, some of them are commercial aircraft like delta, american airlines. we have seen that all online, where they take them out and fly them out to cities like philadelphia. i think the biggest concern right now is the special-interest aliens, as well. these special-interest aliens interest aliens coming from m mali, senegal, bangladesh, other

areas of the world, like sierra leone, are not being properly vetted. they are being set. even if we let run back on checks on them, if they pass a background check in the united states, which they more than likely will, they will be let go. and this is what is concerning to law enforcement here on the ground as well as intelligence officials that are monitoring the situation. in the fbi all the way to overseas when we are dealing with cia and other western intelligence agencies that say we are putting our nation in a massive predicament and we are exposing our citizens to a national security threat that is unmeasurable. >> it really is incredible. you can find your way there, but joe biden and his border czar, kamala harris, somehow can't. i wonder why that is. clearly president biden has great political risk here. if he doesn't have the compassion or the guts and the courage and the strength is our commander-in-chief and president, can you look at what

liability this is for his election since the democrats seem to care most about that? and kamala harris, too. when we were in the white house together, molly here is an eight or nine other democrats running for president in 2019 went to a teenage migrant facility in homestead, florida, and this is what they do. they preen, pander, pretend to care about people while running for president, and she went down to florida. i'm going to call for the tweet she put after that so we can see it. she said, "i went to the homestead detention center to see firsthand the horror of trump's family separation policy and was denied entry. under the harris administration i will end all for-profit detention centers and ensure kids are where they belong, with their families." she can't go down to the southern border now for some unknown reason. she wasn't even close to the border. she was in texas. but i'm wondering about the political applications and i want you to also tell us what a president can deal, a different

president and vice president, and the first days or weeks or months of a new administration that actually would make a difference for what dale and sarah are seeing and reporting. >> let me start with the point about how shameless and remorseless this administration is. the number of unaccompanied minors coming across the border, people 17 and under traveling alone who are often sold into sexual slavery, labor traffic, put into inhumane conditions involving sexual assault and battery, the numbers coming across are two and three times the highest levels recorded in american history, probably half a million minors smuggled or traffic across the border without any adult other than the individual smuggling or trafficking them. those individuals now, by the tens of thousands, are completely lost, gone, and missing. that is a moral stain on the conscience of this country for

which joe biden and kamala harris are responsible. as for the political risk, it is enormous, but it does require the republican party to get in the game and do its job. to be on top of this every hour of every day, of every week, with the moral urgency this situation demands. you and i were there when president trump secure the border, and what he handed over to the next administration was a remain in mexico policy that worked tremendously, shut down asylum fraud, border security partnerships all around the world to speed deportations and enhanced ice authorities to remove illegal aliens as rapid as humanly possible, and title 42. these sealed the border, shut tighter than a submarine hatch. he demolished every single one of those policies by choice, by deliberate design, to resettle

and release millions of illegal americans into this country. a future president, as president trump said he would, you put back in place every single one of those policies and begin the process of removing every civil person that joe biden illegally allowed into this country. that's how you seal it shut again. >> stephen miller, my former white house colleague who had immigration and border security and his vast portfolio. and sara carter, joining us from eagle pass, texas. thank you both very much. make christmas. >> merry christmas. >> joining is now with more reaction, fox news contributor and former speaker of the house, the one and only newt gingrich. i want to take the political question to you, as well. if you are joe biden and you are constantly at odds with senator joe biden who once said sanctuary cities shouldn't be able to do what they do, employers should be punished for hiring "illegals," he said he wanted to make sure that drugs pouring in from "corrupt mexico"

could get here. president biden is constantly at odds with senator biden, senator biden had a point. i think he was more center-right in his views on immigration and border security. but as the problem has increased in severity, joe biden's engagement on it has decreased. someone who is known to work with joe biden for years, what do you make of that? and what about the political currency that he's frittering away? the polls show that immigration along with inflation are his worst-handled issues. >> well, look, i think you can't understand joe biden without looking at his eight years as barack obama's vice president. obama is arguably the most radical person ever to be president, protected by the news media. when you look at his underlying values in his speeches, and his policies, and the people he brought in, he's extraordinarily radical.

in that process, biden, over an 8-year. not became a mini-barack, if you will. so we don't have a problem on the border, we have a biden immigration policy which is working perfectly if you are a hard left person. it is destroying american identity, it is crippling the rule of law, it is flooding the country with people who haven't been trained into the culture, don't necessarily understand how to function in our society, and create all sorts of problems. and i think we don't realize y yet, this is a deliberate policy by people who want to undermine america, change it profoundly, and eliminate all those crazy ideas like the constitution, the rule of law, the work ethic, meritocracy, actually being able to know and do something. if you are on the hard left, those are all terrible ideas. so what you have with biden is a

commitment -- now, i think politically probably it's going to be a disaster, but they don't see it that way. they won the presidency in 2020, they survived 2022, they had an okay 2023. i think they think they have a reasonable chance of survival, and they know if they were to go to the policies you and i believe in that their entire left would erupt and there would be a civil war in the democratic party. so biden goes along with the most active, aggressive, and militant parts of his coalition, and what we have is what you showed tonight on television. >> kellyanne: newt, i don't know if it's a full on civil war in the democratic party, that you see people pulling away from biden on this. the democratic governor of arizona all of the sudden finding religion on border security, and john fetterman, the senator from pennsylvania, and a few others. i think they are reading the polls and the tea leaves.

they see the growing number of democrats, the vast majority of independents, now put border security top of the list. so i think people look at national security sovereignty, as well. as stephen miller was stating, there are things the administration can do. thinking back to your time as speaker of the house and as a congressional expert, what can the congress do to support the president of the united states so that everything is not through executive action? what should congress do? >> let me start with right now. they don't have to wait for thee next president. >> kellyanne: that's true. >> i think speaker mike johnson has done a very good job of setting it up to say, look, you want aid for ukraine, you want aid for israel, sign. we are going to fix the border. here's a a republican bill that would dramatically change the border. and what you have seen so far is the biden administration and the senate democrats who said, no, no, keeping the border open, having a few million more illegal immigrants, is more

important to us than getting aid to israel or to ukraine. and i hope that the house republicans will stick very firmly in favor of a policy -- which, by the way, in our project, we just did a poll and 75% of the country favors more border guards, something like 67% of the country favors the bill the republicans passed in the house. there is zero opportunity to ever get a majority in favor of biden's illegal immigration policy. so if house republicans will stand firm, you might be shocked by january, february, march, to suddenly see the president have to actually sign a bill that gets us back to a trump policy which we know worked. this is a matter of practical fact. the trump policy on the border worked. we are a safer country, we had less illegal immigration, we had

a much greater opportunity to grow and be safe, we stopped a lot of drugs, a lot of human trafficking, and a lot of cartel activity. we can get back to that. on the house republicans under speaker johnson have taken a very important first step in that direction. >> mr. speaker, thank you for your wisdom a new strategic counsel. merry christmas to calista and you. thank you. coming up, the democrats have hit the panic button as their poll numbers continue to crater. what is the solution? change the rules. plus, biden's weaknesses are making the world less safe. we will break down the latest as this special edition of ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ i got the power of 3. i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. i'm under 7. ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular events such as stroke, heart attack, or death

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♪ ♪ >> kellyanne: welcome back to this special edition of "hannity." after activist judges on the colorado supreme court decided to throw former president donald trump off the 2024 ballot, of the blue states are rushing to do the same. california's lieutenant governor is calling on the state to explore every legal option to kick trump off the ballot in our most populous state. while new york democrats are renewing their push to have him removed.

as "the view's" joy behar explains, "the law must defeat trump, because if it's left up to the voters, he's going to be elected president." here now with reaction are kim strassel of "the wall street journal" and fox news contributor jason chaffetz. welcome. kin, it really is incredible that they are trying to go to every institution possible to deprive we the people of our right to choose our president. it sounds like election interference. can you make a good case for any of these actions, from trying to impeach him twice, to the indictments, and now the judicial actions in different states? do you think this is ever going to catch up with him? >> of course i can't make an argument for it, and i do have to appreciate joy behar for finally saying the quiet part out loud. one thing i think people are missing, i keep reading all of this coverage saying, the supreme court is back in the hot seat just like it was with bush

and gore. this is entirely different. back in 2000, no one went into that election thinking the supreme court would have to solve that issue. that's because of florida's hot mess of hanging chads. whereas everything going on now is deliberate and designed to force the courts to intervene and take the place of americans. if you're going to file unprecedented novel legal theories about conspiracies, indict the former president for the first time, the courts are going to have to make a decision, and these people, whether it's the colorado majority, jack smith, they are the ones that are deliberately putting the judiciary in this position of now having to decide whether or not they're going to be the ultimate decider's, and i think they should have to take responsibility for that. i hope it catches up with them and not the other way around. >> it's a great point. jason chaffetz, the fox news audience knows you as a fox news contributor, but you were chairman of the house oversight committee, as well. i'm just curious what you make

of all these newly designed lawsuits and judicial actions. you have lieutenant governors and jurists on the state supreme courts auguring for this as a way to just deny donald trump access to the ballot, but denying direct democracy and giving us a chance on the ballot. why can't they just beat donald trump on the issues, on policy? >> because they can't beat him on the policy. that's why they are so worried. financially, we this country was going in the right direction with donald trump. but the puppeteers like to have joe biden in the place that he is. this is an ultimate power grab. and let's remember, democrats are doing this on both sides of the aisle. the florida democratic party deemed the election not necessary, because it was uncontested. and i think dean phillips and rfk jr. and others would take issue with that. hey, let's exclude any opponents

from joe biden on the democratic side of the aisle, as well. but going after donald trump is the ultimate big fish, and the idea that you could actually take somebody down who has never been charged, never convicted of insurrection, as they call it, it is just absolutely stunning that they would actually get behind this. the very people who preach democracy, we have to get rid of donald trump to protect democracy, want to tear down democracy. they don't like a constitutional republic that we have in this country. >> kellyanne: emerson came out with a poll this week that showed "threats to democracy" rising as a concern among republicans. that was prior to the colorado supreme court decision. i think the left has thought they owned that space of threats to democracy. it's all about january 6th. yet many republicans and center right independents feel they are being put upon and deprived. they are not sure their vote really counts. they don't know why we have to

vote for two months, it's election season now, so many different methods. but could that actually happen? could threats to democracy be shared by both parties and come to bite the biden administration and the democrat? >> absolutely. look at the actions of this week. those are things that conservative voters look at and make them doubt that institutions are really working. i do think this is an issue because democrats have very usefully relied on these threats, mega ultra republicans, and they are going to take away your rights and all of the things that you cherish, and they use that to get people very successfully to the ballot box. but if you look at relative enthusiasm out there, kellyanne, at the moment, republicans are more worried about many more issues and more determined to go to the polls and try to make some change. i think actions like this refocus their minds on issues, by the way, that have traditionally helped republicans, like the makeup of

courts. no one should forget, senate democrats pretty much have said that if they get more than 52 votes in the senate and they have the power they are going to get rid of the legislative filibuster and pack the supreme court. and that is a threat that i think a lot of conservative voters are increasingly looking at as they consider the polls. >> kellyanne: in the 10-15 seconds we have left, do you think this is a turnout multiplier the way abortion is where these "threats to democracy" or are things too far gone and some of those constituencies? >> i think true independents, people concerned about our country, they go in favor of donald trump because the republicans right now look like the adults in the room. they're the ones talking about principles and fairness, not the democrats. spewing great points. as always, thank you very much for joining us. for the first time in more than a year, the leader of china's

military is speaking directly with the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. it was the first direct conversation since china cut off communication after then-speaker pelosi's visit to taiwan. keep in mind, china's president reportedly boasted about a plan to attack taiwan during his recent summit with joe biden. so why are our two militaries talking now? is joe asking for help in yemen? iran-backed houthi rebels continue to affect shipping routes in the red sea, and more companies including ikea are now warning that the chaos in the region will affect product shipments their stores. here now with reaction to all of it is the host of "the morgan ortagus" show on sirius xm, morgan ortagus. thank you for joining us. i interviewed your former boss, secretary pompeo, last night on this program, and we talked about the fact that taking the

houthis of the watch list was one of the first priorities joe biden had, and here we are. tell the audience what's happening in the red sea, how it affects us and why we should care. >> at the bottom of the peninsula, they are funded, trained, equipped by the regime in iran. so this is all variations on a theme, whether we are talking about hamas, hezbollah or the houthis. they've been around for quite some time. i bet it took us a year to build that designation package, because it is a legal document that says this group is a foreign terrorist organization, and here's why. there is a process. you don't have to stay as a state sponsor of terrorism or a foreign terrorist organization in perpetuity. you can get out of it, in fact. and they went through about a

2-year process with us in order to get out from under that state terrorism sponsor designation that they had. the point is, kellyanne, it took two years for them to get out of it, so they had to say we are announcing terrorism, we don't want to be a state sponsor of terrorism, we are not going to engage in this activity, and they had to make many other concessions. the biden team did not go through that process, kellyanne, with the houthis. they just lifted the fto designation and got nothing for it. we should have seen what terrible negotiators they would be. they didn't get them to say, "i renounced terrorism, i'm not going to do it anymore." they got nothing for it and lifted that designation by a political measure, through political means, and now we see this group, of course, engaging in acts of terrorism, because that is what the islamic republic of iran pays them to do. >> kellyanne: i suppose we should have known then what

would happen in afghanistan, ukraine, israel. on joe biden's watch. you would think that someone who had been vice president for years, chaired the foreign relations committee in washington for half a century, it would have some better footing worldwide. but it seems to be one of his greatest vulnerabilities. morgan, in the few seconds we have left, china. do you take this threat seriously by president xi that we are going to "reunify taiwan?" which actually means invade? >> we are totally right, we should take it fiercely. xi jinping says this all the time, but to say to the president to his face, he also wanted to sign a document released publicly that would say america agreed to this, and these are in the public reports. biden did refuse to do it. but the problem is that xi jinping doesn't think there's any problem with asking. he think it's okay -- that's a

threat. to say that we hope to take taiwan peacefully, but we are going to do it either way. and even go as far as to ask for that sign document reportedly from the administration shows that xi jinping feels that he can act brazen with president biden. >> kellyanne: where there is weakness and not strength, that's what bullies do. morgan ortagus, thank you so much for joining me tonight. >> thanks, kellyanne. >> kellyanne: here now with more is pennsylvania republican u.s. senate candidate david mccormick. thank you so much for being here. i know just last thursday, on the anniversary of the pearl harbor attacks, you put out six fairly aggressive actions we can take against china, and i was hoping that, given the news that president xi felt he should take this right to his face, you can walk us through your six actions if you were to become the united states senator, but what can we do with respect to taiwan rather than just wait for them to reunify?

>> thanks, kellyanne. thanks for having me. i think the old reagan adage of peace through strength is the key here, and we have lost deterrence under joe biden. so i laid out a vision of a very tough action that we can do to reduce our dependence on china and ensure that we are not supporting the techno- authoritarian nation. a couple of off the top of my h, reduce dependence on lithium batteries. we are putting trillions of dollars at work creating the same dependence we had on semiconductors and also pharmaceuticals that we learned about during covid. so we have to reduce our dependency on things like that. solar panels. we have to stop the strategic purchases of farmland across united states. that's a huge strategic asset. we have to stop the flow of fentanyl destroying the lives of

communities, 106,000 americans last year, 5,000 pennsylvanians. i think we should kick china out of the world health organization. it is an acceptable the lack of transparency, the origins of covid. we still don't know. so there's a number of actions to ensure that america creates independence from china and is prepared to exercise its economic and military strength and deter bad actions around the world, specifically with china moving against taiwan. the way to do that is to help the taiwanese have the capabilities they need but also to create american strength, military strength and economic strength. that makes that act impossible. >> kellyanne: everything you're laying out sounds like common sense. how in the world has this become partisan? why does the senator you are trying to unseat disagree with any of this? >> he's been in the senate for 17 years. he's had an opportunity to be tough on china during that time and all of a sudden he's popped his head up and has started to talk about it. these are common sense things to

do. there's a lot of reasons that people are pushing back, but there's no good reasons, and we need american strength in the senate, we need american strength in the white house, and we need to take on this aggressive threat from china and take it seriously, peace through strength and deterrence. >> kellyanne: american strength. dave mccormick, thank you very much. straight ahead, republicans have found a surprising new ally in pennsylvania senator john fetterman. how is the left and during this? about as gracefully as you would expect. tomi lahren and tudor dixon react after the break. ♪ ♪

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>> kellyanne: republicans have found themselves an unlikely ally in recent weeks, pennsylvania senator john fetterman, who has been a staunch defender of israel. and now he's breaking from progressives. in an interview with "the new york times," fetterman says he rejects the progressive label often used to describe him. fetterman also slammed left for defending what he called "purity tests." but his recent push back against the left has not come without a price. the senator told "the new york times" he is now receiving attacks from those on the left. some of whom, according to fetterman, are rooting for him to die.

here with reaction, host of "tomi lahren is fearless" on out kit, tomi lahren, and podcast host tudor dixon. welcome to both of you. i recommend all who have seen the light to come over. he has a spotty record, but let's give him some grace here. are you surprised to see this from john fetterman? >> the unlikely voice of reason on the back end of 2023 being john fetterman was certainly not on my end of the year bingo card. i am pleasantly surprised, but i have to say this, a lot of folks are saying he is sounding like a conservative or sounding like a republican. i don't think so. i think he is sounding like a moderate democrat or maybe just a good american, a good american that believes we should have a secure border, a good american who believes we should support, really, our only ally in the middle east and condemn terrorists and those who say "from the river to the sea."

i don't think what he's saying is necessarily conservative or republican in nature, it's common sense, and the left has gotten so wacky, so welcome, so ridiculous, t they think this makes in a conservative. good for him for being independent minded. i wish you would see more democrats jump on that bandwagon, and not just to get reelected in states they are concerned about. >> tudor, you have run statewide offfor office before in michiga. they don't want this radical policy shutting out israel and not wanting a secure border. but it sounds like he is settling scores within his party, as well. it's a severe statement to say people are "rooting for me to die in my own party." >> he is saying that both parties are. if he feels that way, that should really convict a lot of people on both sides. as somebody who has gone through

a stroke, for any of us to root on his death, that's a problem for all of us. we need to unpack this, because when he says he's not a progressive anymore and people say, was he really a progressive? yes! he came out and treated multiple times he was a progressive and he said he stepping back from that position because these people have gone too far. this is very exciting that he's come over to the side. why are we excited about this? he's not supporting terrorism. i mean, good grief. i would hope all democrats would go, we are pretty much all in the bucket of not supporting murder and terrorism. that's a good thing. and why aren't they on the bucket having a secure border? why shouldn't this be a number one concern of all people in office, whether you're on a different side of exactly how to get it done. every single person right now should be saying we shouldn't let this massive amount of people pour across our border from all different countries, including adversarial countries. it is ridiculous that right now

we are excited to see john fetterman speaking common sense. >> i think the democrats claimed to have unity but i see it as unanimity. they don't break rank on anything. none of them voted for amy coney barrett, or for the tax cut and jobs act even though it benefited their states. but i think fetterman is a leading example of what's going on in the democratic party, the people are going on the record to say i don't agree with what's going on. >> and he's right to do that. i also think he reflects what is actually probably democrat voters it's going to come out in 2024. not the democrats and the liberals who sit on twitter and spew this extremist rhetoric, woke on tick-tock. i think he represents the democrats were going to come out and vote. if joe biden were smart, and i don't want him to be because i don't want him to enact every

election, he would look at someone like john fetterman and say maybe he's more in line with the average voter. i hope that doesn't happen because i'd like to see someone else in office, believe it to democrats to mess it up for themselves. >> that's right. fetterman trying to be a better man. tomi, tudor, thank you. up next, the blue state exodus continues with no sign of slowing down. we will explain as the special edition of "hannity" continues. ♪ ♪

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>> kellyanne: according to new data, the blue state exodus is far from over. a report found that new york and california lost more residents than any other state. from july 2022 to july 2023. meanwhile, texas and florida had the two biggest population

growths. the american redistricting project predicts california could lose four seats in the house, and new york could lose three. on the other end, they have texas gaining four seats and florida gaining three. joining us now for reaction, fox news contributor david webb along with democratic pollster mark ped. when you and i were kids, last century, it was a goal and it was aspirational to move to california, new york. he really made it. now the statistic shows that gen z, the most noble generation, is seeking out texas and virginia. people complain about cost-of-living and crime, that are you surprised by all of this, that are most populous state could actually lose seats? >> no, i'm not, kellyanne, and there are a variety of factors. i will go back to where we are.

i ran the census operations in 2000. following that a ransom of the migration studies, the out-migration from states, and the reasons were pretty common. retirement, people leaving for economic reasons, but now you add crime, quality of life, and for younger people, opportunity. but they are going where they can actually -- whether they are living with friends or by themselves, to play at their feet, and growing numbers. and they are not going back. it is too early to tell right now. but since covid, covid lockdowns, high taxes and cost-of-living in the cities and states. the young people are not going to go back because they can afford it. they have a $5,000 average in new york city for an apartment. a small one bedroom. who's going to move to texas, florida, or other states and want to go back to that and add the tax burden to it? it's not going to happen. >> kellyanne: mark penn, you

are a public opinion expert so you see the attitudes in the polls constantly. but i want to ask you what the democratic party can expect to do if they start losing major seats in "blue states" like california and new york. and the once set to gain, also on the list are idaho, utah, and north carolina, other places where people are migrating. do you think this is a real concern for the democra democratic party? >> it is fascinating that his younger people moving, and as you said before, people use to see opportunity in new york and california and now they are seeing it in a lot of different states, especially florida and texas. but the question is, are they going to adopt the politics of the areas they moved to? or are they going to change their politics? are republicans going to be worried that texas might tip over to the democratic party if too many young people who typically vote 60/40 democratic moved to texas?

the same thing could happen to florida, which used to be a lot more democratic before it was a republican state. so i don't know whether or not this is going to portend a change in the states or whether or not democrats are really going to lose voters and seats. these states are certainly going to lose states, no question about it. >> kellyanne: it is fascinating. our own sean hannity fact-checked gavin newsom in real time when he claimed that there is not blue to red state migration. there certainly is from california to florida and other states, and i think according to the policies you both cited. david, given your work on these projects in the past, what are you looking for demographically that has changed? we seem to be a much more diverse society. when they are deciding how many districts each state has, and when the parties are trying to gerrymander and redistrict those districts, what should we be looking out for in the next

couple of years? >> i think mark brings up a really good point. what about the politics? politics are often driven by life circumstance when you're in your 20s verses in your 30s. maybe as you pair up with a partner, a husband or wife. so that is a concern. but to the point of bringing their politics, do they retain them? because we tend to get more conservative as we get older, which is on the republicans to message and keep an environment to keep a strong state governance structure so people have safety and economic opportunity, which is at the core of all of this. because then they will vote their interest. and that is the challenge, to make sure they know their interest. when they vote that way, they will typically lean toward the right and most of the states. >> kellyanne: thank you, david webb and mark penn. thank you for joining us. that's all the time we have left tonight. thank you for tuning in. "gutfeld!" is next. ♪ ♪