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released. we're learning name of more than 150 individuals allegedly associated with the convicted pedophile including former president bill clinton. >> we see e-mail indicating bill clinton walked into office of vanity fair and threatened journalists, about his good friend jeffrey epstein. >> today we got first look at some of those documents, some of these names that had been under the black bars, the redachshunds, they are -- redactions are now public. >> fifth givin giving insight to. >> what were 4 pentium people doing in this very sorted world? >> other names unsealed, include michael jackson, david copperfield. >> i was epstein's lawyer, of course, i go on his plane. people have to be careful about what they are believing. >> there are still more

documents that are expected to be unsealed. >> i am jury host judge jeanine pirro, allowed release of over 170 names connected to now deceased sex trafficker, pedophile jeffrey epstein, their i.d identity were protected in court papers. from u.s. politicians to foreign di dig nit aerowe can no confirm names. we'll take a dive into the revelations, i remember here is charlie gasperino who interviewed jeffrey epstein several times, and richard roth tried cases in front of judg presca and charlie

langston. who reported on this case, welcome to you. i am excited about getting your take on this. i'll start with you charlie. >> is it possible you could be on that island not be a pedophile. >> sure. >> i don't think so. >> charlie lan langston. governor bill richardson, cameron diaz, leo dicaprio should not be in the same bucket and treated equallyy. >> the people named in the documents are not all pedophiles, they are not all people who met epstein, their names he bragged about, that the girls overheard, not the black book. >> anything about names so far that surprised you. >> two words stephen hawking. out of all of the names on the planet that i expected that one shocked me it was

out of the blue. >> and richard roth, how about you? >> other than stephen hawking, nothing, the reason that judge released this, she knew all of this information all of the people's names were already out there in public with regard to jeffrey epstein, including clinton and including former president, it just, she knew it was public information. >> rich, the court should never have had names sealed, to which the court has gone, to protect the names is irregular. >> there is no reason why, the information anything other than victims, should always be revealed. how does -- if bill clinton or donor bill richardson were at the compound or in boca with him, that is is not -- how is how is that -- why does he have an interested to protected. >> charlie, you interviewed

epstein, any names that surprised you. >> no, hawkings. >> i know. >> i know a lot about people he development with on wall street, he had deep connects in just about every wall street firm, j.p. morgan and deutsche bank, bear stearns. j.p. morgan the biggest bank in world, and friend with number two person there jeff staley, i know he knows a lot more people. i got his number from a billionaire a household name, you would know it. >> real estate billion area. >> i'm not saying. >> i read it in your article. we were at dinner, i did a story about epstein, i was trying to say how do i get in touch with him, he pulls out his found and he gives me the number. his connects are deep, broad, vast, and this does not do it much justice, really. >> that the release doesn't

dig deep enough in terms of. >> except for stephen hawkings. >> now, epstein wrote an e-mail to ghislaine maxwell where about hawkings, he said, you can issue a reward to any of virginia's friends, family that come forward and help prove her allegations are false. this strongest is clinton dinner and new version in the virgin island that stephen hawking participated in underage orgy. >> if it was ridiculous enough for epstein to deny it, it probably done happen. >> probably a "saturday night live" hit. >> keep moving, richard, you know judge loretta presca comp federal judge. wherwhy were there jane and

john does, why were they protected. >> this all happened before judge presca, judge sweet at the bench at the time had a definition lawsuit by virginia, against maxwell, against ghislaine maxwell, and there were a lot of court records, depositions, motions, discover documents provided to court that everyone wanted sealed at the time. essentially the judge decided there is a public interest in revealing it very a private interest in not harming anyone in this new lawsuit. the court basically had to go through that analysis, the judge said i will not disclose the victims or jane does, that is private, that is embarrassing. that could hurt their career, but i will disclose information which? public already, it did take a long time, some of the

jane does, john does, said fine disclose it, others thought -- fought, at end of day she released a couple hundred red documents most in the court record and will give you names of people we already know. >> to be clear, these names are not the black book. these -- which i understand. the justice department now has. we could talk about that justice department, we will, but, these are names from a lawsuit where jeffrey sues ghislaine maxwell saying you defamed me, why jane does, was there any name that really needed to be protected. i get you protect victims, if -- this is a civil lawsuit, this is not something that is private. >> i think we have to point out, that not everyone who has been named is a co-conspirator or confirmed associate of epstein, some

people named in the documents, are people who were referenced because you know victims and people who were associated with epstein were asked did you meet leo or cate blanchett, does not mean they well anything do with epstein, but it was mere fact he named dropped the a-listers in his conversations, they are in the documents.. >> okay. >> in terms of the legal experts have a better understanding, but the entire case of sealed because it is a sensitive was toic with victims of sexual abuse and assault. everyone was a jane or a john doe, there are a few people who are step protected, with a they made claims which suggest their lives would be put in danger, there is one jane doe in particular who says she lives in a culturally conservative country, if her name is revealed she will be threatened, she has already

received hate mail and death threats. >> maybe her name is out there already. but the point that charlie makes, is that fact that there are 3 names, that judge is taking longer to assess whether or not they should be released. is that correct. >> >> the victim's names. >> we agree. >> other than that, there is really, public interest is strong, and it is we're entitlentitled to know, so long as you are not a victim, who was involved in epstein. bill clinton, there is no privacy interest. if they were involved it should come out, no different from years ago former governor of state of new york, new york time released the names of people involved. >> you are talking about spitzer. >> with number 9, ne "new york times" said give us the names. >> they were released. >> okay. >> now, charlie,les les wexner.

>> jeffrey epstein was never a hedge fund manager, he told me only thing worst than being calls a pedophile is a hedge fund manager, you have a broker, jeffrey epstein that was times 10, he was a good broker, he worked ad at benches bern bear stearns and got fired there, they had to fire him. they stayed in touch with him, bear stearns as he was going out on his own, as money manager became his bank of choice, he was doing business with bear stearns to the day it died in 2008, was taken over by j.p. morgan then he moved to j.p. morgan, in that time, he was known as "high net worth"

broker. people say, unwhat could he have added to the mix or given leon black of apollo. i asked jimmy cain that before he died, he was really good at the tax code, he understand the tax code, memorized it he was self taught. he was a broke that's correct give you insight to how to save money, he was good. like i'm not rich, you know, like we do better than most americans but there a whole business o of servicing the uber rich on wall street level. you have to know about art, you have to know about their yachts vub t you have to know about tax law, he was good, he did it for wexner and a new for and leon black of apollo. >> he took a hit. >> his representation. here is where it gets problematic as a journalist. just because you say hello jeffrey epstein, does not mean you are a pedophile, in

have been two people put in jail on this whole thing, one person convicted the other was just arrested. jeffrey epstein was arrested, killed himself or died whoever you want to go there. and that is one. the other is ghislaine maxwell, no today about is no evidence that bill clinton likes young girls or whatever. >> well, you you know there was a statement by a witness, epstein said that clinton likes them young. >> what does young mean. >> it is not enough to make to conclude bill clinton was hanging out with young women, it because raid your iafalyour eyebrows. >> you have to like know, is whether or not they knew what was going on. you might not be a pedophile because you are hands ut on jeffrey epstein that is valid, if you hang out with jeffrey epstein, and you had

knowledge of what he was doing, that is not okay. >> there is a moral and a legal issue. >> on the legal issue. on moral i agree. >> we'll b back with more after this brack. break. the ball is out and there's a pile-up. -let's go! -get in the pile! ugh, i'll deal with this tomorrow. you won't. it's ripe in here. my eyes are watering. i'm a busy man. look how crusty this is. shameful. ugh, it's just too much. not with this.

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>> names of several a-list celebrities company up in the release, we have model naomi campbell. and actors leonardo decaprio, kevin spacey and george luke a michael jackson and david copperfield, none of these people are accused of committing any crimes it gives us a better idea of who epstein was spending

time with. judge jeanine: to be clear there are some name strauss not give the benefit of the doubt to, let's talk about david copperfield. his name was mentioned, he was arrested in 1988 for allegedly sexually assaulting someone underage. this same with -- >> in this he played -- >> wait, kevi kevin spacey and bill clinton had an faring witan an affair. you have to look at their -- >> if i'm sitting in front of -- >> throw up the picture of clinton in the apartment. >> now that was a transition. >> okay. all right, let's talk about the frederick. they say she worked for epstein, one of the young girls, she once heard epstein stalking on phone

with frederick. >> she heard epstein stay, that frederick is in hawaii can we find him girls that is full when she called. >> what does that mean, underage girls or -- >> judge jeanine: yeah. >> in this conditi continenthis contextia.. >> yeah are. >> copperfield sat down at dinner and asked johann is, do you know that he is using girls to find other girls. that is knowledge. >> i will tell you this -- charles point, he was brilliant with the tax code but he was a network, a lot of people knew him, i represented him he was a member of board of trustees for years, i knew him well, not in that way, but my point he had -- was very with well within -- intermingling with wealthy and rich and the s sophisticates of new york,

some i agree went across that line. >> he was an idiot savant with networking. but, i will give you another scene, two years before he got arrested, he was untouchable, lead into palm beach community, they thought he was a guy that screwed up once with a 17-year-old, he some palm beach area, where all rich people are, there was that house party, he walks to the house party, a friend of mine was there, a billionaire, he walked in with a very young woman. all of the woman at the party start to talk there is jeffrey epstein. how hold i old is there girl. >> the thing -- >> the kicker, this shows you how crazy, he came in with her, don't care was like screw you everyone and talked with people here, had black lovers o loafers,

one with an screw and another withu. >> prince andrew, it looked like him she said, she brought it down and presented it to him, a puppet of prince andrew, they put the puppy on the virginthe puppet on virginia lap, and i sat on andrew's lap, they put the puppet's hand on virginia's breast and andrew put his hand on my brist, wh breast. >> prince andrew is the one who is coming out of this documentary release in the worst shape. because, we already knew about his connection with epstein, he has been accused guy giuffre of sexual assault and abuse but we get more details, we hear about the puppet and another photo that exists, you know lord knows where out there of him touching a young girl's breast, and now accused of

taking part in an underage orgy, presumably the same one mr. hawking did not take part in prince andrew has been trying to weasel his way back to the inner royal circle, he has been thinking to himself if we move past it, but now this has come back there is no way that door is shut it is bolted, it is got a blame mote outside it no way he is getting back into royal inner circle. we have to ask, do thes allegations and documents, give investigators more reason to pressure andrew to under go questioning, he said i'm happy to help, he has yet to speak to investigators and authorities. judge jeanine: after that interview he did i can believe with the bbc, the guy is not giving any kind of answer. >> when hi when he used

his inability sweat. >> she described dancing with you, you were sweating and she went on to have bath -- >> this is a slight problem with the sweating. because, i have a peculiar medical condition that i don't sweat. or i didn't sweat at this time. that was, i didn't sweat at the time, because, i had suffered what i would describe as an overdose of adrenaline when i was shot at in war, i can -- -- it was almost impossible for me t sweat, only because i have done a number of things in recent past that i am starting to be able dodo that, i'm afraid, there is a medical condition that said i didn't do it, so

therefore. judge jeanine: don't change the channel, we'll be right back after the break.

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israelnd ukraine, i am jackie ibanez, enjoy the show. judg. >> one of biggest things we learned was claim about bill clinton. former president, quote walk into "vanity fair" and threatened them to not write sex trafficking articles about his good friend, clinton team did not directly respond but they pointed us to a telegraph article saying there is no evidence to support those claims and they were denied by a representative for "vanity fair" long time former editor, carter who told telegraph this did not happen. judge jeanine: governor bill richardson, senator

mitchell, let's talk about the politicians. i don't leak seeing senator mitchell, governor bill richardson, what do they get from him, from epstein? >> what did larry summers got, i don't think anything, he was connected with harvard. >> for all we know he managed their money. you are a prosecutor, bevide voyeuristic value of there, what is the legal value? seems -- >> 10iou 10 youou. >> >> 2002, da from palm beach count he 13 victims come forward, the d.a. is going forward with case and u.s. attorney from miami, southern district. >> alex acosta. judge jeanine: swoops in taking case from local d.a., and hangs on to it for two years, i say, okay, if epstein is a money manager they are going to money

laundering and get a search warrant and his files, no for two years, they pulled back on the case, and then they give it back to local d.a., he getting a year in jail but not really in jail, he spent 6 days a week in his apartment. >> i agree. judge jeanine: that is true. >> i would say that take one step further did they look at bank records. judge jeanine: they didn't. >> that is bad. judge jeanine: why were they protecting him. >> i know -- a political exaca little bit, alec acost ai don't think he is acosta, i don't think he is on the take. judge jeanine: he is stupid. >> he is not -- >> you know -- hang on. >> i got. >>, you know. >> in 80s, i got convictions. >> that question should be -- i have asked to alan

dershowitz. this happened between the -- >> he had high power defense attorneys. >> you higher alan and ken starr and i am leaving a few out. judge jeanine: kept starr, roy black, alan dershowitz. and u.s. attorney -- >> what they did, they went after each and every alleged victim and took them down 50 notches and said bring to us court. and they decided not to. judge jeanine: that is a bunch of hogwash, the girls had no -- more hutzpah than alex acosta did, they had more balls. >> it is probably true. judge jeanine: it is true. >> acosta was scared of dershowitz is what you are saying. >> or didn't have a good case. judge jeanine: stoo stop is charlie. >> you don't know. >> but does it make a difference, i think it does,

as charlie just said, there is stuff coming out now, and there i is -- stuff comes out in next two releases, which can maybe implicate someone else in a criminal scheme, bring it on, whether 'is prince andrew or bill clinton or do donald trump, that stuff that could -- prosecutors are looking for to bring more than two people. judge jeanine: why is it taking so long. >> the reason. judge jeanine: the united states department of ju jut ijustice has the black book, protecting everyone. >> you had 3 administrations of doj, bush, obama, trump. and now biden is protecting jeffrey epstein? judge jeanine: why is -- >> what for. judge jeanine: let's go. >> -- i'm just. judge jeanine: charlie. >> that is not fair, because it was it was sealed not up

to the -- it is sealed by a judge. >> justice department. >> a -- >> the one that called parents domestic terrorists. >> how about the trump justice department. >> talk about that -- >> about the fact. >> the obama. >> this is embarrassing to the department of justice from all angles this was a massive scheme,. judge jeanine: okay. >> that is why they are now saying. >> it is embarrassing. judge jeanine: can they release the names in the black book. >> i don't think -- i honestly if they committed crimes and judge preska has to look at this, they should, we said there are people who knew epstein who were not involved. judge jeanine: she can't say anything. >> if you were his friend and colleague you go on a plane or to florida how do you not know. >> if you go to his island.. it is called pedophile island. >> anyone that went on that plane and to that islanded it is clear.

>> when did they call it pedophile island. >> you know, a while back, grant not perhaps when certain -- when the stuff started, merging. >> it does raise the issue, when did they call it, while stephen hawkings -- >> the point is, it has to be loads of documents out there. judge jeanine: it should be released, more on this topic coming up next. ♪ it's two things a young man want to be, a cowboy or a gangster. and a gangster's out of style. i got back to my roots. we come from a long line of cowboys. my grandfather, my great-grandfather, my aunt even rode horses. when i see all of us out here on this ranch i see how far our legacy can go. now on sale at ancestry.

judge jeanine: bill gates, visit the island, 28 times. and quote, can't remember why. >> maybe the massages were ready will go. >> who i is glen dubin . >> a financial guy and friends with epstein.

the name is jeff staley -- >> who is he. >> number two guy at j.p. morgan, he was considered jamie dimon's possible successor, if you know anything about, he ran the we'll management business. inside of j.p. morgan, open epstein up to the world. there was talk in j.p. morgan, why are we doing business with him. post him being convicted first time. jeff staley stepped in stopped them from deplatforming epstein, that is why i think it is interesting there are a lot of e-mails between staley the one about snow white, this stuff is insane. i think that is where you know, we could like you have to go to money trail, this is interesting, stephen hawking, bill clinton likes them young, but if you want to do what you are

suggesting you start at j.p. morgan. and start tracing money bank records who paid for the flights, who was on the flights. judg. >> who was on the flight. >> you get that not for us like, you know, who -- you get it from facing that money trail they are not doing that. >> but why have in a not. >> i don't think that you know, a, agree the financial world names were not on the list. i agree that is where the true story will lie, but, we have to remember that the documents that have been released this time, come from a lawsuit that was you know, involving a girl who was 16, 14, at the time. she is not going to have been someone who would have recognized the head of wealth management at j.p. morgan but the namely name cate blanchett. >> interesting, you might

not, i'm not a lawyer, you are, you might not need her to recognize. here ask what is interesting. -- here is what is interesting, j.p. morgan, one reason they -- some people try to deplatform him, some of his money transferred kicked off a a an sar report, suspicious activity report, following that money trail, could get you to where -- where was money going in eastern europe. >> why in 2024, this something that has been around for 20 years. judge jeanine: epstein was indicted by southern district in new york money laundering was part of it. eepstein was never made to answer because he died, i believe he was killed. i think this is what i did for a living, truth is that the whole idea of his hanging himself, you know from the bed that is this high. >> guards paid off?

>> guards -- >> first the cameras didn't work there was a guy who never worked that place before. >> federal lock up down there is not run like apple or amazon. >> he -- after. >> a crap show. >> he said, that -- >> i have been there. >> a guy he was in the cell work i think tarantino, i prosecuted, had tried to kill him, remember there were marks on his neck, then they moved him to a more secure place, which was really less. >> pedophiles and jail down last long. judge jeanine: i am well aware of that. >> he didn't have to answer for his crimes, as a result all of other co-conspirators did not have to. >> i think he killed himself, you could tell he was planning for it. judge jeanine: he was ai arrogant.

>> there was evidence, he was playing for, he moved all of his assets to virgin islands, he was planning to screw the victims. >> again. >> to kill himself, or to do that so no one could access it during the trial. judge jeanine: he was in france. why did he come back from france. and roman polanski is still in france. >> i'm help make your point, first question that jaime cain asked, why did he come back from france, why did he hire reed wine garden at his lawyer, you go with someone like reed wein garden, i making your case, but i still think high kill he silled himself. >> he was arrogant and denied claims, either he knew he was guilty and he

killed himself. a narcissist like that no way. judge jeanine: he owned everyone. >> right. judge jeanine: he owned everyone, why would he think he could not get away with this. >> he was going to -- now he was toaster. toast. >> he was toast different environment, he was done. >> he was tote. toast. >> i agree with charlie. >> what were guarding doing. judge jeanine: charlie and is a disagree. >> i agree with you. >> the whole thing is too suspicious. >> we'll be right back after the break, don't change the channel.

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judge jeanine: where diso we do we go from here. >> bank records. >>l let's get the rest, maybe there are more stephen hawkings out there. maybe people you would never believe have gone to the island, let's learn about them. judge jeanine: we both know, that this defamation lawsuit is not giving us evidence. that is sufficient to really say xy or z molested a young girl. even the pages that i head no one indicated anything other than prince put his hand on someone a breast. >> a spoke with a prosecutor yesterday, who made a good point. he said if you know some of the cases they don't any the attract step, he said, look at sam bankman-fried he is in jail for 8 years for

ripping off people -- they were bank records with him, people, they stopped that case, they decided to not bridbring that case it would have i'm -- they have to go for the bank records or this is just us you know. >> chat chatting about nothing. >> all do anything, i think you know, as i said, i don't think that new release of the rest of the documents will provide money the trail we need, it will provide renewed public interests and hopeful renewed demands for this case to go forward. >> if it does great, if not it will fizzle out. judge jeanine: lit me ask you ghislaine maxwell is in jail, she said of all people who did this. the woman is in jail. i hate it when they say my

this and that, she had the black book, she could have cut a deal. why didn't she. >> if bay in buy into speculation and rumor power full they are, if you are ghislaine maxwell it is safer to take a prison sentence and whine about it or open by book and go against all of these people. >> i would rather be in prison. >> that to my argument that epstein was murdered. >> i remember henry hill and joe velocci, they ratted out. is she thinks that stephen hawking will kill her. >> he we have names like ehud barrack here, a name not confirmed, jane doe 107, is released on january 22 and fearing for her safety. >> there is a witness protection program out

there. >> there it. >> give ghislaine maxwell that opportunity. >> you got the black book, you could name -- they are. >> i also wonder. judge jeanine: she got 20 years, 20. >> maybe the black book is not that big of a deal. judge jeanine: i think it is the whole deal. >> what will it say? this guy had sex with this woman. judge jeanine: he likes brunettes and blonds. >> agent age 14. >> i would love to see it. >> the spit spitzer trial, that black book. he said who attended the prosecution location, this is what i don't see it. >> do you not -- >> who kept the black book. >> epstein. >> you think that epstein wrote that down? >> or ghislaine maxwell. >> i don't think -- >> bill clinton likes them young. >> i don't know if we're talking about an actual

black book, but we're talking about is records, phone numbers. >> a paper trail of their crime. >> look at how much paper we video thus far. >> we even mails between ghislaine maxwell and epstein. >> remember what you are asserting or conjuring essentially, that there was a black book that said bill clinton, likes them young. judge jeanine: all right, okay. >> then what -- >> i didn't say bill clinton. judge jeanine: do you is you find the girl and you have her testify. we'll be right back after the break.

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judge jeanine: my favorite picture of bill clinton hanging in jeffrey epstein apartment thank you so much for joining us, if you want more on this topic watch the final hours of jeffrey epstein, "fox nation." and as always. tune in to see me on the 5ive night, 5:00 p.m., on the fox news channel. ♪ ♪ i am a shannon bream it