make him look bad and he was willing instead to show up and bravely answer questions unless hillary vaughn asks them. bravely answer questions on capitol hill. that's going to be their competing narratives. i wonder how much people are being moved by any of this stuff? we'll see. >> bill: fair questions. >> dana: i worked on capitol hill -- let's not date myself. it was a fun day to watch, i have to tell you that. we didn't have that much fun. >> bill: they did today. thanks to you both for taking us through it and help us learn along the way and see what comes next. >> dana: you never know what you'll get. >> bill: we get all these papers early in the morning. it wasn't on the bingo card. >> dana: i didn't have that one at all. great to be with you. see you on "the five" as well. harris faulkner is next. >> harris: fox news alert now. you are seeing the video from

moments ago, democrats on capitol hill just pulled a political stunt. was it to save, a, joe biden, hunter biden, hunter biden crashed the house oversight committee hearing. and they were considering contempt of congress charges against hunter biden. so he didn't want to show up for a subpoena but he wanted this circus. he wanted the cameras. make no mistake about it. democrats knew it was coming. secret service was in place over an hour ahead of all of the stunt that went on in that hearing room. i'm harris faulkner and you are in "the faulkner focus." it was a crazy move. hunter biden walking in unannounced to an oversight committee hearing about him. the committee had just begun considering legislation to hold hunter in contempt of congress for defying a congressional

subpoena. a taste of how wild it got. >> my first question is who bribed hunter biden to be here today? that's my first question. second question, you are the epitome of white privilege coming into the oversight committee, spitting in our face, ignoring a congressional subpoena to be deposed. what are you afraid of? you have no balls to come up here and -- >> point of inquiry. >> mr. chairman, >> the lady is recognized. >> if the general lady wants to hear from hunter biden. we can hear from him right now. let's hear from hunter biden. what are you afraid of? >> order, order, order. >> are women allowed to speak in here or no? you keep interrupting me. >> i will interrupt the chairman. i don't know that he is a lady. >> i think that hunter biden should be arrested right here right now and go straight to jail. >> i think you should have decorum and courtesy and don't act like a bunch of nimrods.

>> it doesn't matter who you are, where you come from or who your father is or your last name, yes, i'm looking at you, hunter biden as i'm speaking to you. you are not above the law. at all. you are here for a political stunt. this is just a p.r. stunt to you, just a game that you are playing with the american people. >> harris: republican congressman russell frye who was inside that hearing room for the stunt and phil holloway will join me soon. first i want to bring in fox news senior correspondent congressional correspondent chad pergram. every second of this was unbelievable. i understand that there is some kind of documentary on hunter biden that is coming up. were there camera crews outside? >> there have been camera crews all over the place on this. this was big time theater on capitol hill. hunter biden showing up before the house oversight committee when the panel was meeting to hold him in contempt of

congress. you are not supposed to come necessarily. this is not when he was appointed to come to appear before congress and thumbing his nose in front of the committee as they were voting to hold him in contempt of congress. a big mess ensued when he watched showed up. >> thank you mr. chairman. excuse me, hunter, apparently you are afraid of my words. oh, oh. >> republicans were outraged he surfaced. the second time he has pulled a stunt similar to this. in december he was to appear for a closed door deposition before the oversight committee. james comer, the chairman of the committee, has said he wants to have an open hearing with hunter biden but he wanted to have a closed door deposition first. he was supposed to appear for the closed door deposition in mid-december. he surfaced on the senate side,

gave brief remarks and left. this was a big time move by hunter biden to show up considering the contempt of congress resolution. >> hunter biden was and is a private citizen. despite this republicans have sought to use him as a surrogate to attack his father. an unprecedented resolution to hold someone in contempt who has offered to publicly answer all their proper questions. the question there is what are they afraid of? >> now this mark-up will continue for the next several hours here. this is kind of a two-step process. they will have this debate, debate in this committee and vote on contempt of congress and go to the house floor next week and then things get very interesting from a judicial and also from a political standpoint. why? because matthew graves, who is

the district attorney, the u.s. attorney for the district of columbia, has to make a decision whether or not to prosecute the president's son on this referral contempt of congress. keep in mind there were a couple of different decisions made by this justice department previously where they prosecuted steve bannon, the former aide to president trump, peter navarro was also held in contempt of congress. mark meadows the former white house chief of staff and former chef staffer dan scavino were not. if it goes to the justice department and they don't prosecute the president's son you will hear from former president trump and a lot of republicans arguing this is two-tiers of justice. the stunt today increases the chances that he will be held in contempt. republicans are very mad at this stunt today. >> harris: a few more seconds of your time. i had asked if there were cameras other than that of news. the reason i would say that.

we know in politics if you can create something separate from the event that's going on, if you can get earned media off of that as they call it, so if there is some documentary out there that gets a side show of play and interest, does this then give maybe a little sympathy to the president of the united states that his son is such a clown act? >> you have to remember this is an election year. what they are trying to do from the democratic side and president's side is create a counter narrative here. fighting back against yesterday we had the closed door deposition here with hunter biden's art dealer and you were able to create that counter narrative. put it out there and say this is not how they really are. republicans are obviously controlling the narrative here. that's what happens in politics. that would be no surprise. >> harris: great reporting as always. chad pergram. we'll come back to you this hour as the news warrants. south carolina congressman

russell frye who has had quite a moment. republican member of the house judiciary and oversight committees was in the room for hunter biden's stunt and you are there for that mark-up process. what happened the way that you saw it? >> he showed up. i think there was a rumor that secret service was in the room and then all of a sudden hunter is there at the start of this hearing and it confirmed my biggest fear if you will is that he is thumbing his nose at the system we have. he goes to the senate, issues a statement and skips town and does the same thing today. this is the arrogance we see from the biden family and particularly today hunter biden. >> harris: so what happens next? three still in the room. my team was told it will be several more hours of mark-up and getting documents ready to go forward. what does going forward look like? >> i think democrats are trying to muddy the waters, if you

will. if you look at the amendments they're filing now they are trying to do everything they can to distract from the fact that hunter skipped town on a lawfully issued subpoena. we'll have to work through amendments by democrats. at the end of the day the house judiciary and oversight committee will mark up a contempt of court violation. >> harris: nancy mace said he should be arrested right now. any other republicans saying the same thing? >> probably a lot of people were wondering the process of that, the protocol for that. the man just a month ago before christmas didn't even show up and here he is today. but i think it just emotion boldens what we're doing. it's a pursuit of the truth. this impeachment inquiry is serious. we're getting to the bottom of it. a lot of things we have gotten is stunning. >> harris: why not go pick him up? >> i think the contempt is the

first step. is there a two-tier system of justice that protects this family? >> do you have confidence in the justice system at this point? especially after what you just saw for him to get away twice, first in december and now? >> i don't. i think that's where they can shine. they can provide that equal justice under the law. let's see if they do it. they did it a couple of years ago when democrats issued contempt resolutions against steve bannon and other individuals. so let's see if they will hold this family accountable for failing to appear before congress in the same way. >> harris: i appreciate your time today. i know you are busy. you have to go back into that room and we'll cover this as it continues to unfold. thank you. >> thank you. >> harris: let's bring in phil holloway, criminal defense attorney, former assistant district attorney as well.

i will ask my team, do we have the comments that hunter biden made? let's just watch this and i want to get your take. >> mr. biden, why did you put your dad on speakerphone with your business partners if he had no involvement in your business? >> do you have a dad? does he call you? >> yes. >> do you answer the phone? >>y. why did you need to talk to him during business meetings if he had nothing to do with your business? >> well, you are dangerous. you are very dangerous. >> harris: he told our correspondent hillary vaughn she is very dangerous. i mean, i hear attorneys say all the time we'll walk out of the room. just don't talk. i would imagine he got that pep talk, too. what was that and what is your take on the words he used toward a member of the media? >> well harris, this again

shows, i think, extremely poor judgment. we talked about this before. when you are in a legal hole in particular like hunter biden is in. the first thing you do is stop digging. i thought that it was a bad idea for him to do the presser out in the parking lot of the capitol building. lawyers, trained lawyers like hunter biden and presume will bely joe biden and mr. lowe you have a fifth amendment right to keep your mouth shut and that's what you need to do. words are what get people in trouble. he is out there in the parking lot giving the middle finger to the congress on the day he was subpoenaed and today fast forward he comes back and does it live and in person where they can see him in their own room. in the house side. so he is literally digging his hole deeper and deeper and deeper. he is going to be sanctioned for contempt. there is no question about that.

the big question you talked about this the day before yesterday will the u.s. attorney actually prosecute him and hold him to the same standard. it gives lots of reason to do that. i think now more than ever. if he doesn't prosecute hunter biden, then his credibility is shot. >> harris: calling a member of the media dangerous for asking questions to try to get to the truth sounds like a -- that's the problem. we don't know what his intentions are. but what he said actually is dangerous. and -- >> this is why they want to have the closed door deposition so that they can -- they want to avoid this kind of spectacle where he gives answers like that and nail him down to get substantive answers in a different setting. >> harris: answers can't be threats to the media. here is what hunter biden -- one second, phil. want to get your take on this. you mentioned it and i want to show the audience.

here is what hunter biden said when he first defied that subpoena last month. what phil was talking about. let's watch. >> there is no evidence to support the allegations that my father was financially involved in my business because it did not happen. i am here to testify at a public hearing today to answer any of the committee's legitimate questions. republicans do not want an open process. >> harris: phil. >> so this is why they have to be able to do the closed door session. he makes this statement. there is no evidence. okay. if i'm going to question him in that scent. okay, we heard you in the parking lot say there is no evidence. we have this piece of evidence right here and i want to talk about it. how does this square with what you said out in the parking lot? they need to be able to ask follow up questions. the scripted pressers in the parking lot aren't good enough.

publicity stunts aren't good enough and going to straight to an open hearing isn't good enough. he will try to turn that into a spectacle as well. they have to run their process the way they see fit which i think rightfully includes the first step of doing it in a closed setting with a transcriptionist there to take everything down. you have to be able to prepare for it. this is why we have depositions in cases before they go to trial in a civil lawsuit. it is so that people can prepare for the big show. which is one of the analogies here. >> harris: committee chairmen jordan and comer they say they are fine with him testifying publicly after a deposition with staff attorneys. you can go talk to the public. now, after -- his father, just remember, he is

commande commander-in-chief. he wants to call a member of the media dangerous. not once but twice on tape. so we don't know what his intentions are. i know that that matters but those words matter, too. so was that just a dog whistle to say i want to push these people back and let them know who is boss? he is not boss, his dad is. that's problematic. that will get some attention. one of the reasons i played it. look, they said you can still talk publicly. i don't know if that continues. can they arrest him at this point as one of the congress people called for, nancy mace, today. >> i don't know any mechanism for doing that. >> harris: they can't go get him? >> you have to have -- see, the committee is not like a court. if you don't show up for court the judge can issue a warrant for failure to appear and send law enforcement to bring you in in handcuffs. whether they have such a process i don't know. but i think they've got to go

through the subpoena process -- the contempt process first. if the u.s. attorney does his job and pros coots him like he has done people affiliated with the former president, he had no compunction about prosecuting them when they failed to comply with subpoenas in much less egregious ways. if they prosecute him he can be arrested. to send the agent at arms to drag somebody in in handcuffs that isn't the appropriate thing right now. if hunter biden continues this type of behavior, if there is a way for congress to make that happen, i think you saw in that clip we just saw that there is some political will to do something just like dragging him in. >> harris: always great to get your perspective and expertise, thank you. house republicans want to impeach the homeland security secr

secretary mayorkas and taking the first step to do that happening right now. you look at it live on capitol hill to the left of your screen. there is a lot going on this hour. things are coming to kind of a head today. in that hearing right now, they are demanding accountability for the biden border crisis that has spiraled out of control under mayorkas's direction and watch. he is the man in charge of that project. not the vice president kamala harris, who is the czar of the border. she didn't get anything done. he is head of homeland security. he has to keep the nation safe. he has been failing. plus new yorkers are furious over the illegal immigrant crisis in their city. >> it is unfair that we had to move 2,000 migrants into a school, disrupt the education of 4,000 students just to have to do it again if there is another

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>> harris: we're continuing to watch now those simultaneous hearings going on, the house committee hearings considering resolution to hold hunter biden in contempt for defying a congressional subpoena. moments ago he was in the hearing he busted into. a shocking stunt by hunter biden showing up on capitol hill taking a seat in the gallery of the oversight committee mark-up.

he then left as republican lawmakers began firing off questions to him. his lawyer abby lowell tore into republican lawmakers on their way out. the live picture here expected to pass that contempt resolution and then it will go to the full house for a vote. we'll bring you any news as we get it. during all of that confusion as hunter biden was leaving, you heard him shout a word dangerous. we want to lean in on that now. that comment that hunter biden made into that scrum of reporters who were also shouting questions at him as he was leaving capitol hill. he called someone dangerous. we initially believe that comment was directed to our reporter, hillary vaughn. we now know it was not the case. he said it to a different reporter who had tripped and nearly fallen on him. more news as we get it coming out of what has really been a

shockingly chaotic day on capitol hill. now this. >> i wish our southwest border was secure. i wish that our government was enforcing the laws passed by the congress and doing its job to keep the american people safe. unfortunately, secretary mayorkas has done none of these things. it is now campaign season and republicans recently rolled out their impeachment proceedings against secretary like a pre-planned, pre-determined political stunt. >> harris: it is now lawmaker season. capitol hill is hot with activity today and we're covering it all. tensions are high as the house homeland security committee is holding the first impeachment hearing of dhs secretary mayorkas. yesterday republican senator roger marshall called for a vote of no confidence on mayorkas. here it is what he had to say. >> my colleagues and i have

outlined numerous ways secretary mayorkas is derelict in his duty as secretary and failed to uphold this oath. we are oh he here today because we take our oath seriously and won't stand by idly while secretary mayorkas threatens our national security and our democracy. for the sake of america's safety and security, we need to impeach secretary mayorkas now. >> harris: this is in response to the massive surge of illegal immigrants that we've seen pretty much ever since biden took office. at the southern border cbp sources are telling fox news there have been nearly 800,000 people coming in illegally just this fiscal year. brandon judd, president of the national border patrol council. good to have you with me today. what does it say to you, how are you feeling today leading so many men and women at the border to see mayorkas under fire?

>> border patrol agents nationwide are very happy that these hearings are taking place. in part because the american public is going to be able to get answers now. part of our democracy is all about being able to make informed decisions and the media and congress have been trying to get secretary mayorkas to tell the truth since day one. he continues to deflect. now in these hearings they are going to have subpoena power and be able to get all of the information and the american people are going to be able to see it and make a judgment for themselves. is this administration actually enforcing the laws? are they following the law that says people that are in the country illegally shall be removed, not might be, not could be, are they being removed? and the facts are going to come out that people are, in fact, not being removed and this administration is, in fact, derelict of duty which falls on the head of secretary mayorkas. it is very important that we are given all of the information so that we can make informed decisions and that's what these

hearings are going to show. >> harris: is it deeper than just mayorkas being accused of not following any of what you just said, or is it enough to get rid of him? >> i don't know if they will be able to find high crimes or misdemeanors. i believe they will be able to. if you aren't following the law, then you are violating the law. i do not believe in this particular case he is following the law. one of the things that will come out. we have had millions upon millions of people enter our country illegally but since biden has been in office, a fraction have been actually removed. so again, they are not following the law. i believe that's one of the things that these hearings will show. >> harris: mayorkas told our own anchor bret baier that about 70% of people coming in right now are being set free into the country. then just a few days later he bumped it up to 85%. that would be many thousand more let into the country with really

unfettered access to whatever they want. we'll move forward. parents are outraged in new york city this morning. leaders relocated some 2,000 illegal immigrants to a high school because of heavy rain. they closed the school today forcing the kids who would normally be there to learn via remote. that's pretty concerning given the mass learning losses that all of our kids suffered due to the pandemic lockdowns. students in new york city were out of school for nearly two years in that process. new york congressman elise stefanik says this. >> it outrages every american and new yorker. we know there is a negative impact with remote learning. it's unacceptable. it is impacting real people. the crises joe biden has created, is impacting and hurting hard working families. >> harris: a city hall spokesperson said the health and safety of migrants in our care is a top priority.

to be clear this relocation is a pro-active measure being taken out of an abundance of caution to insure the safety and well-being of individuals working and living at the center. those illegal immigrants have been reportedly moved back to a shelter, brandon, today. here is the point. they can do this any time. it's clear now as they said what their priority is. >> yes, this clearly shows that illegal immigrants are more valuable than united states citizens, including our children. this is just another example of why this border security issue is so out of control and why we have to get our borders under control so that we don't have to face these issues going forward. >> harris: it's interesting. we are hearing about this sort of thing over and over in new york but texas and arizona, these places have been dealing with this for so long. and yet they still were able to make american citizens their main priority. brandon judd, we'll come together on a different day.

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contempt. that shocking stunt by hunter biden is having reverberations around capitol hill. he showed up and took a seat inside of the gallery of the oversight committee and then he left as republican lawmakers were firing off questions to him. and his lawyer abbe lowell had quite a bit to say about the republican lawmakers as they were on their way out the door. both committees expected to pass that contempt resolution. we'll bring you the news as we get it. just five days until the iowa caucuses and we're bringing back families in "focus." i sat down with spouses and close family members and into the lives of the men and women looking to lead our nation. for this one i traveled to greenville, south carolina to sit down with nikki haley and her two children. big words for the haley family,

sports and dad. >> you go ahead. >> dad, we love you and we miss you and we are just so proud of you and we continue to pray for you every day. >> i will say there is a space here on the couch, you should be on it. we're so very proud of you and what keeps us all going we're all sleeping under the same stars. be safe, we love you. >> dad, we love you and miss you, proud of you and can't wait for you to get home. >> michael haley and his beloved nikki married 27 years. he is an officer in the south carolina army national guard and she was twice governor of south carolina and then u.s. ambassador to the united states under president donald trump. but it has always been just the

haleys. >> michael and i met my first weekend at clemson and we gotten engaged at the botanical gardens. i was born in a small rural town, 2500 people. two stoplights. we were the only indian family in that small southern town. we weren't white enough to be white or black enough to be black. they didn't know who we were and why we were there. when you have been teased for something you can't fix, it hits home. it cuts deep. >> haley's parents believed in settling differences by pointing to similarities. as you grow up that common ground is the american dream. >> my mom was a social studies teacher. my dad was a professor. they came here with $8 in their pocket because they wanted a better life for their kids. >> and a better life for future

grandkids, too. meet reina, 25-year-old, null wed and 22-year-old college senior nalan. the grade school years in the south carolina governor's mansion. >> with my dad and him being deployed and my mom in public service taught us how to love, respect this country and really understand what it means to be blessed to live in america. >> they worked very hard to keep it very normal for us. we weren't really in tv a lot. in the mansion they made it very -- nalen had his basketball in the driveway. we all -- >> the basketball queen. >> harris: that's good information there. running for the republican presidential nomination is a family affair like never before.

i think the first time the nation was focused on seeing you was sitting in a place where your mom could make eye contact with you during the debates. >> it is. my dad was always that person for my mom during her debates. someone she could pinpoint and know she is okay, has the good energy. so that's kind of the role i took on with my dad being gone is being at all the debates and being that person for her that she sees and a familiar face. >> harris: are you really making eye contact? >> thumbs-up, smile. >> harris: are you into politics? >> no, not at all. >> this summer i worked with the campaign but since going back to school, i have decided to do the $5 fridays, we send out a text and talk about an issue or just a memory that we've had and ask for $5. and they have been pretty -- doing pretty well. >> harris: do you want to go into politics?

>> i hope it doesn't come to that. >> harris: he is modest. he has quite a knack for small donation campaign fundraising. >> you grew up -- they would visit with my parents in the indian church and experience that so i feel like they got both traditions even though their faith is christian. >> it plays a role 24/seven all the time. i think especially my mom is my constant reminder. >> sometimes i'll send him my devotional if i know he is having a bad day. i'll send it to both of them. >> experienceing marriage and having god in the center of our marriage has been such a gift. >> harris: they're so proud of you. >> i'm proud of them. the goal was always to make sure we have the family dinner and they knew we were there. >> harris: what was your favorite meal to make at dinner and did you guys pitch in?

>> they're laughing because i don't cook. >> harris: oh my goodness. >> they doesn't make anything. >> if michael didn't cook, we didn't eat. we've always just enjoyed watching football and it is kind of another bonding moment for us. >> harris: some south carolina friday night lights. that's reina's husband, josh, the high school football coach. his team at christchurch episcopal school is in the playoffs. >> that's a lot of confidence. >> oh. >> harris: i just love doing the stories and you got to see again this week ron desantis and his beautiful wife casey and their gorgeous children and you got to see vivek ramaswamy and his wife and their adorable babies and

today nikki haley and her family. a pleasure to meet them all and the people who know them best as they run for the highest seat in this country. well, a drama biden sized. hunter biden crashed a hearing on capitol hill today. the political fallout with a democrat and republican debating in "focus" next. (vo) it's ultimate endless shrimp with another limited-time flavor drop. new crispy salt & vinegar shrimp. it's all that... and a batch of shrimp. now one of seven endless choices. only at red lobster. welcome to fun dining.

>> harris: simultaneous hearings on capitol hill considering a resolution to hold hunter biden in contempt of congress for defying a subpoena. hunter with a shocking stunt crashed the proceedings and took a seat in the gallery, caused all sorts of chaos and stormed out. republican congressman russell frye is on both house oversight and judiciary committees. he is having quite a day. he took a moment to talk with us because he was in the room for that surprise by hunter. >> all of a sudden hunter is there at the start of the hearing. it confirmed my biggest fear if you will, he is thumbing his nose at the system that we have. he is lawfully issued a

subpoena. goes to the senate, issues a statement and skips town in a suburban and does the same thing today. it is the arrogance we see from the biden family and particularly today hunter biden. >> harris: shermichael singleton host on xm radio and jonathan kotttt, senior advisor for senar joe manchin. good to of both on. it goes on to the u.s. attorney and on to the d.o.j. i asked an attorney earlyer if he had faith in the process. >> harris: you think the biden d.o.j. would follow up? >> they won't have a choice. here is why. the american people will expect, including democrats, that hunter biden be treated just like anybody else. i will give you an example. he is indicted in the state of california out of los angeles for several tax evasion charges as other people, including a

famed actor, wesley snipes, who happens to be a black american who went to prison for several years. joe biden is struggling with that particular demo group. the expectation from that group and democrats at large will be if other individuals went to prison, regular americans shouldn't hunter biden face the same charges and potential expectations an outcome? the answer would be yes. >> harris: jonathan, what did you think of the stunt that played out with the president's son today. >> it was a stunt. he showed up. said he is willing to testify in an open hearing. james comer has said publicly witnesses can choose to testify in a deposition or open hearing. he was there. they could have called him. >> harris: he said he could absolutely do that and so did jim jordan, both chairmen of the committees considering this resolution against hunter biden today after he sat behind closed doors. that was actually the condition and that is the condition. give your deposition first and then go talk to the public. i would think attorneys would

want that, too, especially after the circus that ensued as he spilled out into the hallway. >> i think the reason they don't want to do that is this committee and these house republicans have selectively leaked things from previously closed door hearings and they don't want that. they want the american people to see it. it is shocking that after six years of investigating this and screaming about it hunter biden shows up and says i'll testify so the world can watch and they say no. it is shocking and also shocking that jim jordan has the nerve to talk about subpoenas given he is still defying his own january 6th subpoena. i will leave that for another segment. >> harris: i want to get shermichael's take on what you are saying and talk to each other. >> if i were advising chairman jordan or the republican leadership in general i would personally drag this out as long as i could. my hat as a political strategist and wait closer to the election and say hunter, if you want to testify publicly let's play this game. every campaign stop president

biden is on as he crisscrosses the country they will ask him, mr. president, what about ex-amount of dollars your son was paid? was he qualified for the roles. what about the amount of drugs your son was doing? what about your son evading taxes? shouldn't he be treated fairly as any other american and shouldn't he have to abide by the same expectations as any other person? that's what i would do if i were a republican. wait closer to the election and put the president in the hot seat. >> harris: that's hot strategy there. also, jonathan, it would give hunter biden what he wants, make him less of a victim. he would have to be a man in that scenario and stand up. >> he showed up today and a month ago. he is willing to show up and talk publicly. >> harris: when the questions started coming from the republican lawmakers he stormed

out. >> i don't think you were expecting hunter to shout back his answers. >> harris: what do you think of shermichael's idea? >> it's a great political strategy, which is exactly what james comer and jim jordan have shown. they are only in this for the politics. they have no interest in actually getting to the bottom of it or they would let hunter biden testify publicly. >> harris: if the federal charges against hunter biden, if those are proven. go ahead. >> the very serious charges that hunter biden is facing from the gun charge. i happen to co-own a firearms business. most people would have gone to prison for what hunter biden did. tax evasion charges are serious. he may be facing serious jail time. >> harris: thank you very much. if i haven't seen you both, happy new year. "outnumbered" after the break. o♪

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