>> i get dozens of billboard campaigns that i've done in my marketing days. 3 to 5 seconds to read this, give it a break. this is just sticking their nose in something where they don't belong. weed, promoting weed and driving under the influence, that will probably have more of an effect than something that says y'all come on by for some fried chicken. >> kayleigh: i don't want the federal government telling the states what to do, bottom line. there are some lunatics that cannot read signs, and text, don't drive star-spangled hammer, no, focus on the road, do it the right way, don't put my family's life in danger. >> emily: that's a good wave, these a good wave. you always come in with good points. thanks for watching. don't forget to dvr the show. >> john: no laughing on the highway, whatever you do.

we are awaiting a white house briefing moments from now, it's the biden administration's first in-person news conference since former president trump's landslide victory in the iowa caucuses and the first since lloyd austin's release from the hospital. >> sandra: and so many questions also swirling own hunter biden after a major development in one of the criminal cases against the president's son. for all of those reasons, we are going to be watching for the white house press briefing. when it begins, we will bring you the news from it. now this. >> 2023 was the biggest year for illegal border crossings, resources stretched, fentanyl in the country, do you think it's a crisis? >> we want solutions. solutions are at hand but frankly we are at an election year and the folks who want to return donald trump to the white house prefer to focus on the

broken immigration system than the solutions at hand. petty politics at play on this issue as much as anything. >> john: vice president harris pointing the finger at republicans over the immigration crisis. this is the biden administration continues to claim that texas is at fault for the drowning deaths of three migrants, even though the president's own justice department disputes. and with that, welcome to wednesday, sandra, john roberts in washington. >> sandra: good to be with you, john. sandra smith in new york. the white house doubling down on a statement made over the weekend indicating texas prevented rescue efforts by blocking a portion of the border, but now a new doj briefing appears to admit the migrants drown before border patrol agents could even ask for access to that area. >> john: the stretch of the border at the heart of another battle between the biden administration and the state of texas. the lone star state has until the end of today to reopen the land to the feds or face the

consequences. >> sandra: matt finn is live in eagle pass, texas. what might the consequences be? >> sandra, i asked the texas attorney general whether the united states government might use a physical force or show up here and start tearing down razor wire and the texas attorney general says he's not sure. today is the deadline a federal attorney has warned the state of texas it has to reopen the land i'm standing in right now back to the federal government or the federal government is going to consider all options on the table. i spoke exclusive with the texas attorney general and he said texas is not backing down, will not relinquish control over the property. says texas has the obligation to control public lands. step off camera and a look at what the inside of the park looks like right now. the texas national guard has installed row after row of razor

wire to deter migrants, and we have seen it working in realtime. this afternoon, also the growing controversy about the drowning deaths of a migrant mother and her two children friday night near this park. over the weekend, democratic congressman henry cuellar tweeted that texas is to blame for the drownings because texas blocked border patrol from entering this park to access the river rescue. however, the texas military department claims that -- give you a second, another potential rescue happening here right now. texas military department claims that that allegation is wholly inaccurate, saying mexico handled the drowning deaths and border patrol showed up after the incident. despite the unconfirmed allegation, the white house released a controversial statement over the weekend insinuating texas is to blame, writing in the first line, on friday night a woman and two children drown near eagle pass and texas officials blocked u.s. border patrol from attempting to

provide emergency assistance. i asked the white house if it plans to clarify that statement, the white house says it stands by that statement. the texas attorney general says the american public is owed an explanation. >> when you accuse somebody of being part of causing the deaths of migrants you ought to have your facts. if you don't, correct the facts so the american people know you got it wrong. >> this latest white house statement is being compared to that infamous claim that border patrol whipped haitian migrants. there is a group of migrants who have been walking up and down this fence right now and the texas national guard and the texas military department is keeping them back and telling them to return to mexico, not allowing them into the united states. so deterrence is apparently working, sandra and john. >> sandra: matt, we'll check

back in soon, thank you. >> used to be 100 boats in the harbor. 15 now. >> what are you doing, kickbacks from the government? >> you want to control the fishery, you don't know what's going on out there. >> the point of the monitors. >> right, a snitch. >> settle down, settle down. >> it's not the old days anymore, everyone has to make some sacrifices. >> you don't care if the guys regulate us to death. because you are the only one making money here. >> john: just like in "coda," fishermen are making their case right now before the u.s. supreme court. if they win, it could shrink the power of unelected bureaucrats to interpret federal laws. douglas kennedy has been following the long running legal battle to put the brakes on overreach, the center of today's argument, he's on a fishing boat in rhode island.

>> so this was a regulation imposed upon you, not passed by congress, not passed by any lawmaker. >> no, it was imposed on us by a regulatory agency who does not care about the profitability of the vessels and doesn't care we are going to have to pay an on board government enforcement agent more than the crew is going to make per day. >> megan lap is from sea freeze, which operates the relentless, a herring fishing boat from north kingston, rhode island. in 2018, noah said the relentless must carry a government observer on its ten-day trips, which is fine. but then said megan's company had to pay for it. >> essentially a tax on your business by an agency with no accountability to the public. >> absolutely. and once they implemented it, there was nowhere else for us to go. >> in 1984, the u.s. supreme court gave federal agencies like

noah to interpret laws and impose regulation on small businesses like megans. >> it's come to be known as chevron. >> you are asking today's supreme court to overturn what's known as chevron deference. >> yes, it's completely unfair the agencies decide what the law is. >> john is the sea freeze attorney now suing the federal government. he says many federal agencies have taken advantage of the ruling, to impose unreasonable regulations on ranchers in the west, and other small business owners in the south and midwest. but the most egregious may be noaa, put what some call senseless limits on fishing and proposed a speed restriction on boats over 35 feet in the east. all bypassing a democratic process. >> congress does not have to write clear laws what they want and the agencies then get to declare what the law is with no input from the people or the

voters. >> megan can accept any rules and regs, as long as they are imposed by someone who is answerable. >> because the government agencies are not answer rable to anyone, they are not afraid of the citizens. citizens are afraid of the government. >> she's hoping the supreme court can remove that fear and restore accountability to all federal agencies. north kingston, rhode island, douglas kennedy, fox news. >> john: a great look at what the issue is all about, and with us now, kerri kupec urbahn. in layperson's terms, the dispute over fishing monitors is likened to a cab driver with a police officer in the seat next to him monitoring how he drives and the case is made, if this is a federal regulation, why do fishermen have to pay for it? >> kerri: that's exactly right. and in fact, the amount that they have to pay these government baby-sitters can go up to -- i think eat into their

profits by about 20%, what they have to pay these government monitors is more than what the sea captains themselves make. and so it's a great case because as was just explained, to the heart of chevron deference and the rule at play here what has been for the last 40 years, how it's been, how this has been going, is that when a federal rule or regulation is silent, courts must defer to the federal agency. meaning that unelected government bureaucrats are the ones making decisions about micromanaging various aspects of american life, including iconic industries like the fishing industry. >> john: what's going on just down the street then? in the supreme court? >> kerri: the supreme court, thinking -- a lot going on there, john. congress, are we talking about congress, or the supreme court. so arguments are still going on, which is remarkable, they started at 10:00, very long

arguments for the supreme court and i'm hearing some heavy duty questioning from justices gorsuch and kavanaugh, and said people in the agencies are experts, they are in the best suited position to make these decisions. justice kavanaugh said it's a shock to the system. every 48 years, with new administration's, issuing new rules, so this hamstrings businesses from being able to do a lot. the rules are changing constantly, having to pay for their own monitors, which severely cuts into their profits, and really the livelihood, the ability to make one's livelihood, especially for the fishermen is on the line. >> john: the number of rules promulgated near every administration is absolutely stunning. the hunter biden case, cocaine residue was found on the brown pouch that he kept his

short-owned handgun in. the atf form he filled out, 4473, states the following. are you an unlawful user of or addicted to marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug or any other controlled substance, he answered no and yet cocaine residue on the pouch he kept his gun in. >> kerri: and it makes the case against hupter even stronger, he admitted in his book, talked about addiction the same time he possessed the firearm, and it prohibits someone from possessing or lying about it on the form. i have to tell you, john, the latest filing from doj, doj is not happy when they are -- they are punching back at this point with the fact that they included in the filing, oh, by the way, there was cocaine residue on the pouch itself. and you know, putting aside the sweetheart deal over the summer

which, you know, was wild, i think doj's posture new is we are not playing anymore games, we are tired of being jerked around, if you are going to mess with us, we are going to be aggressive and that's what that filing spoke to, i thought. >> john: the great irony in all of this is that this rule on the atf form something promoted by joe biden back when he was the chairman of the senate judiciary committee 30 years ago. >> kerri: that, and what hunter is arguing about the gun law, it's unconstitutional and it is something that's being litigated in the courts right now, but the irony is that is an argument that many people on the right frequently make. so, hunter biden, champion of causes of the republicans, continues, i suppose. >> john: always great to have you with us in studio. appreciate it. keep listening. put a glass to the wall. lots more on the fishing issue, which is a big one. >> sandra: we have allen wallborn, a fishing captain in

naples, florida, and he is speaking out against this, saying 100% against these trackers that they would have to put on the boats. he has three boats down in florida, this would cost him $3,000 approximately and $75 a month, this could be a death for the industry. and i think i mentioned yesterday, also covered the federal regulations under the obama administration, how they were stifling the small fishing companies and family owned fishing companies and it is a fight and a struggle every single day as you know. they hope to turn any profit on a given day and sometimes they come back with nothing. and when you have federal regulations saying you will have a mandated cost every single day that you take your boat out, this is just brutal for this industry. so i'm really looking forward to talking to that captain joining us next hour. former president trump is back in manhattan courtroom for the second straight day, listening

to e. jean carroll talking about the damage he did by defaming her. he was accused of sexual assaulting her in a department store in the 1990s. he has maintained his innocence throughout but last year a jury found he sexually abused and defamed carroll and awarded $5 million. she is now suing for another 10 million. said trump has kept defaming her, ruining her reputation and career. and also denied that george soros or the dnc are paying her bills. trump's attorney says she plans to cross examine carroll about her funding. john. >> john: from the skies to the stage, a fighter pilot makes history as the first-ever active duty service member to clinch miss america title. madison marsh will join us on her win. >> sandra: and one candidate is

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>> sandra: secretary of state antony blinken is now reportedly stranded at the world economic forum in switzerland after a critical aircraft error with his boeing 737 jet. an oxygen leak was not immediately fixable. the incident is another bad

headline for boeing. 737 max 9 jets have been grounded after loose bolts were found on the plugged exit doors of several planes. stranded in switzerland. >> it's time for the republican party, however, to unify, come together. >> the only way we are going to win the majority of americans is if we have a new generational leader. >> john: republican presidential candidates kicking off their week-long campaign blitz in new hampshire. polls show the former president well in the lead, but nikki haley that far behind as she looks to secure the state's largest block of independent voters. fox team coverage now, karl rove is here to break down the roll the undeclared voters could play next thursday, but alexis mcadams in concord, new hampshire. what are voters telling you there? >> hey, john, another cold day here in new hampshire, and the voters we have been talking to

say many of them are still undecided, but one thing they have noticed is things are heating up. and they say nikki haley is gaining steam and new endorsements. the question again, is it enough to beat donald trump. >> it's looking better for her than i thought she would earlier on, she's a little liberal on a few things for me i'm not particularly fond of. but from what i'm seeing she's definitely having a little more backing everywhere i look. >> so take a look here, this latest poll, john, from suffolk university shows former president trump in the lead at 50%. former governor nikki haley at 34%, and ron desantis at 5%. trump was joined on stage by his former competitor, vivek ramaswamy, now thrown his support behind him and they say even with this lead, people have

to show up. >> don't sit home and say you know what, i love the president but he's going to win by so much. we have to show big margins. >> and nikki haley is really focused on her ground game here in new hampshire. her message to voters, she can win the general election. >> i defeat biden by 17 points. double digits in these polls. that's bigger than the presidency, that's house, that's senate. >> ron desantis has not spent as much time here in new hampshire, and that seems to be reflected in some recent polls but he's not deterred. >> i think as the field is narrowed, we are now in position where people are going to be able to make even better choices. >> and take a live look here right now on the screen, this is happening at an event in new hampshire, desantis trying to

talk with voters, this as fox news has confirmed a short time ago the desantis campaign is taking some of their staff that's been here in new hampshire for the past two days and putting them back to south carolina where they are school zoning in on their ground game there, john. >> john: all right, alexis mcadams, thank you. sandra. >> sandra: interesting tidbit at the end of that, karl rove, i'll ask you what that all means. desantis in new hampshire, but moving his staff to south carolina already. first up, though, karl, tell us what we are looking at here. this is the latest polling out of cnn and unh on trump at 39%, nikki haley seven points behind at 32%. can she close the gap and sort of flip over here and highlight what she's trying to do with these undeclared voters in new hampshire. this is party registration,

262000 democrats, 343,000 undeclared. can she grab them, karl? >> others have grabbed them. i painfully know that in 2000, george w. bush won iowa, 41% of the vote, and went to new hampshire and got walloped by john mccain by 17 or 18 points and he had not even participated in iowa. so new hampshire voters are different than iowa. less churched, less evangelical, in this instance, more maga than -- iowa voters are more maga than new hampshire and new hampshire has a tradition of allowing independent voters to vote in whichever primary is more exciting and the more exciting primary this year is obviously republican, so we can expect a lot of independent voters to come in and make their views known. so, yes, the bottom line, it can

happen. will it happen, we don't know, but if this race is going to go on beyond new hampshire, it's going to have to have nikki haley victory in order to do it. >> sandra: all right, karl. the first choice in new hampshire right now among gop voters, 58% say they support donald trump, among undeclared voters, more go for nikki haley, 43% of them. what we are watching there. as far as the issues, karl, coming off of iowa where we saw immigration ranked above the economy for republican voters in iowa, what do you expect in new hampshire. i mean, these are some of the questions asked, what issues are determining how you vote, 27% is the economy. new hampshire, immigration second at 24%, government spending and taxes also double digits, as well as national security and abortion single digits at 7%. so, how will the economy play

out for these candidates? >> well, new hampshire is an anti-tax limited government, anti-deficit state. so i suspect we'll hear a lot from nikki haley about the nearly $8 trillion added to the national debt under president trump's years, four years in office. and we'll also hear about how we need to rein in spending and strengthen defense and something about the entitlement issue of hospital trust fund and medicare goes bankrupt on the next president's watch. so economic conservatives in new hampshire, i suspect we will hear a lot from her about that. >> sandra: what about the ad support, 28 million for nikki haley, 14 million for donald trump, 8 million for desantis. how do you see that playing out and helping or hurting the candidates, karl? >> well, donald trump is in an unusual and potentially very different position than anybody else. we all know about him. so, advertising has a less of an impact, certainly nikki haley and ron desantis needed to run a

lot more ads in order to introduce themselves to the voters of new hampshire and to every other early primary state. donald trump needs no similar effort. he can devote most, if not all of his advertising to, you know, taking down his opponents, which he's largely done. yes, we have seen some positive ads reminding people that the economy was good and america was strong, but most of his advertising appears to be, particularly here, as we come down to the end in new hampshire, he's aiming at his primary opponents, primarily nikki haley. i think i got like fives emails this morning from the trump campaign attacking nikki haley on various issues, i suspect we are going to see a lot more of that between now and next tuesday. >> sandra: very, very interesting. all right, karl, as you mentioned, different voters in new hampshire, and we'll see how what we learned in iowa plays out there as well. great to see you. thanks for coming on. >> you bet, thank you. >> john: here is a new development to pay attention to.

lawmakers say dr. anthony fauci lied to congress about covid-19 and they are looking to hold him accountable. could fauci be criminally charged? >> sandra: after removing houthis from the global terror list, the biden administration is reversing course now. will the move make things safer for our troops? we'll ask retired u.s. army general jack keane next. >> the biden administration got this wrong from the outset and have had to acknowledge, whoops, these guys are really terrorists. slipping out of balance into freefall. (the stock market is now down 23%). this is happening people. where there are so few certainties... (laughing) look around you. you deserve to know. as we navigate a future unknown. i'm glad i found stability amidst it all. gold. standing the test of time.

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>> sandra: news out of the royal kingdom, buckingham palace announcing king charles, iii is undergoing a corrective procedure for an enlarged prostate. the king will return to his duties shortly after, calling his condition benign. it comes as the princess of wales, kate middleton, begins recovery from abdominal surgery this week.

she will remain in the hospital up to two weeks, as prince william will care for the children, taking a step back. >> john: comments from the white house any moment now, after the white house will redesignate houthi rebels as a terrorist organization three years after taking them off the list. it comes as houthi rebels attack vessels in the red sea, but another 30 days for the plan to take effect. jack keane joins you now. general, there is a very fine designation difference here. under the trump administration, the houthis were a foreign terrorist organization, additionally with the specially designated global terrorist entity, the biden administration administration put back the sgdt

designation but did not restore it to full terrorist organization status. why wouldn't they do that? >> yeah, well i think what's going on so the audience understands, the first one, sdgt designates terrorists. the second one designates the organization but as a designated foreign terrorist organization that would curb all american support to it, whether coming from individuals, corporate or any entity foundation, etc., would have to stop, so that's a much more comprehensive designation, the fto. i think going through the administration mind is they want to keep providing humanitarian assistance to the people inside of yemen, something we were doing in the previous administration as well. i don't see why they made the difference and left out the fto, because the fto provides plenty of capacity to make exceptions so you can provide humanitarian

aid, and that is routinely done. i think they should have done both of them, it's beyond me that we can't even get this right when we decide to finally do the designation that i think never should have been removed three years ago as you indicated. >> john: so in terms of doing things right, general, the houthis have been struck several times after they attacked u.s. ships and u.s. designated and other foreign commercial carriers in the red sea and the gulf of aden. but still the administration is saying it's up to the houthis to figure out what to do next. listen to what john kirby said here. >> we are not looking for a war, not looking to expand this. houthis have a choice to make and they still have time to make the right choice, which is to stop these reckless attacks. >> john: he says the houthis have a choice to make, they still have time to make the right choice. i thought the idea of military strikes was to take away the idea of choice and just force them to do something. >> yeah, most definitely.

i mean, we always use this kind of language to sort of minimize what we are doing. it's well-known now that it's likely that when we did that first comprehensive strike that we all applauded, that the houthis had some lead time so to minimize the casualties and leaks coming out of the white house was that was their intent. look at, what we need to do here, we have talked about it, there's two things that must be done here. one, we need to take away the houthis capabilities to do what they are doing, that is launch missiles, rockets, to disrupt the flow of commercial traffic, and oil, you know, through these straits and the suez canal. and we should continue to hit them until that capability is completely withered away. what are we talking about, rockets, missiles, radar, command and control systems, storage sites, etc. that's number one. number two, and i hope we are

stepping this up and the two seals lost at sea we are trying to recover are part of this, and that is to disrupt the shipment of rockets and missiles out of iran into yemen. and we got to be very aggressive about that. we haven't been as aggressive in the past, it's more episodic than anything else and i hope we are applying a foot to the metal here. but the second thing that must be done and where the administration is unwilling to go, and that is we have to hit the irgc capabilities that are controlling not only the houthis but the 6 or 7 other proxies in the region, and that, what is that, that's their training center where the proxies go to train, it's their bases, it's their headquarters, and also its their leaders. reagan did this, oil platforms in the 80s, trump did it with leaders a few years ago, and that shuts these guys down. only going after the proxies

themselves will not change it. why is that? because iran doesn't care if rockets and missiles get destroyed, they'll provide more of them. they don't care if we kill some of the houthis. they know they are radicalized fundamentalist group, john, and they'll get more members. what they do care about, is their own capabilities and impact on their own people, why are you taking this level of risk that the united states is so upset with you that you are risking a larger conflict. >> john: well, doesn't appear to be in the cards for the biden administration at this point, we'll see if it does. general, always good to catch up with you. thank you. >> great talking to you, john. thanks a lot. >> sandra: and thanks to the general. mainstream media, the outlets now defending their decision to refuse to show former president trump's victory speech in iowa after his landslide victory monday night.

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but that's going to be on the list soon, i guess. >> sandra: i'm sorry for the loss of your mom, she would be so proud of you. how did this happen? i mean, you are flying fighter jets and somebody says what to you, how did the idea even come to your head to do pageants? >> the picture of me in the fighter plane, i'm not a pilot yet, i'm a selectee, i had the only female fighter pilot fly me in the squad, my cousin did it at the air force academy and i've learned the leadership opportunities and especially what i can do as miss america. >> you started flying planes when you were 16 or 17? >> started at 15, soloed at 16, and got my license several weeks before i entered basic training for the air force academy. >> incredible. the crown is just stunning. you have it all down. so you temporarily have to put your active duty service on

hold. how does this all work? because the military needs you, the pageant needs you, so how do you handle all this? >> right now, nothing is official but we are really trying to mesh both of these roles together as me remaining on active duty and maybe potentially a recruiter for the air force because really, i wouldn't be able to be miss america or even gone to harvard without the opportunities that the air force provided. i mean, they gave me all the tools at the air force academy to compete in pageants, to get the scholarships i received, to send me to harvard while i'm still active duty and so we want to mesh these two roles together so i can advocate for people that are armed service members and really try to get more people to join the service. >> sandra: incredible recruitment message for the u.s. air force, they should be using that. cut the clip. we want to put this up on the screen, near and dear to your heart on the instagram post honoring your mother. it is gorgeous, by the way, and maybe you are 3 or 4 years old here, just beautiful.

you wrote five years without you, hug your loved ones and appreciate the small things. november is pancreatic awareness month, early detection can save lives. so you are flying planes and winning pageants, you are at harvard and using artificial intelligence to detect pancreatic cancer early. this is incredible. >> thank you. >> just inspired on all levels. what has that been like for you? >> i mean, i see pancreatic cancer and the non-profit sector becoming my life post air force. because for me, it is so important to advocate for patients globally because i saw that early detection could have saved my mom's life. she died when she was 41 years old. we had no cancer history, she was really healthy, didn't have any of the high risk factors and she still passed away. and so i want to be able to provide hope for other families and really push in every sector down from congressional up to research and funding to ensure that everyone is being taken care of because if my mom can't

get to be here, i want to ensure other families get to have their moms, brothers, sisters, fathers, brothers, you name it, the type of person i want to be for my mom. >> sandra: wow, incredible message and i know that was part of the finalists, what they saw from you in the pageant and it is clear to all of us, i'm sure at home, too, they hear this and clear why you won. congratulations. >> thank you so much. >> sandra: we hope you get some sleep and come back and visit us. let us know what you decide to focus on more as you go on -- just 22, right? >> yes, yes. >> sandra: whole life ahead of you. very exciting. >> thank you so much. >> john: just pull nine gs in the back seat, that will put her to sleep. irs working to dismiss parts of a lawsuit filed by hunter biden which claims its whistleblowers and their lawyers disclosed private information. we'll take that up with house ways and means committee chairman jason smith and ask him what it means for the impeachment inquiry. plus this. >> i'm in chicago, the past few

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