the legal battle for the bakery owner kathy miller began in the summer of 2017 when she declined to make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple because of her religious beliefs that marriage is between a man and woman. how she describe what happens next. >> within two hours i had to lock the doors, within two hours. and then for the following months we were deluged with horrible threats and our social media crashed. i lost six employees the first two weeks because they were afraid. >> in 2018, the california department of civil rights filed a case against miller's family owned tastries bakery. fox reached out for comment but

back to the original brief saying the refusal to provide full and equal wedding cake services constituted discrimination based on sexual orientation in violation of the unrue civil rights act but also religion is a protected characteristics and her attorney argues the agency has chosen one right over another. >> the california state agency supposed to protect kathy miller from religious discrimination and hate crimes like this is actually the same agency that has been prosecuting her for six years. >> the california appeals court will likely rule on miller's case in 2025, but she said her and her attorneys say they are prepared to take the case all the way to the u.s. supreme court if necessary. >> sandra: a live look inside that atlanta courtroom where any moment now a hearing could shed light on communication between d.a. fani willis's office and

the federal government, including the biden white house. that is set to begin a short time from now. hello, welcome, i'm sandra smith in new york. great to have you here today. >> jacqui: i'm jacqui heinrich in for john roberts. one of former president trump's co-defendants has filed motions to release records documenting this contact between willis's office and the feds. those records would include any details on the meetings between special prosecutor nathan wade and the white house counsel's office. >> sandra: charlie said he thinks it could backfire on democrats. >> damage is being done right now, it turns the case into a freaking soap opera. i think democrats end up getting bruised in all of this. >> jacqui: fox team coverage starts now, brian kilmeade moments away, but first steve is life outside the courthouse in downtown atlanta. what's going on? >> jacqui, this hearing just getting underway right now, attempt by defense attorneys to try and get information.

they want to know exactly what went on in multiple meetings between white house staff members and also members of the district attorney's office here including chief prosecutor nathan wade. >> a very significant percentage of the public believes these prosecutions are politically motivated. that image is not helped if willis was visiting the biden white house at a critical point in the investigation and prosecution. they are questions that need to be answered. >> the anger here and the criticism of the d.a. simply continues to grow and it's already affecting the budget of her office. fulton county officials saying they are going to hold back on giving the d.a.'s office new cars, at least 16 of them, until the d.a. answers questions about this scandal. >> i don't want to approve any money until those allegations have been addressed. she's been asked to comment on

them. she has not. >> fox news has just learned that the defense attorneys expect to subpoena both wade and willis to appear in a hearing set by the judge for february 15th so we could see the specter of the d.a. in court under oath answering questions perhaps streaming live about her personal life. jacqui, back to you. >> jacqui: thanks, steve. >> sandra: brian kilmeade here, "fox & friends" co-host, a live shot inside the courtroom a moment ago, and we will get in as needed when we know there's something -- it's pretty procedural right now, but some indication there is something relevant we'll jump in there. brian, people want to know, the public wants to know, they want to see this communication between d.a. fani willis's office, what communication there was with the federal government, public should know, this is important stuff. >> brian: we want to know if there is coordination between

the white house which president trump has said and the plethora of court cases coming his way. she did not answer the question, have you been talking to jack smith prior to the indictment or the day after the indictment basking in the glow of this rico filing against 17 co-defendants, including the president. you want to know what the president is doing with the mug shot they thought would humiliate him, he's selling it on mugs and trading cards. if you watch other channels and see coverage, they will say no proof president trump is right, that there's any coordination between the white house and any of the cases. that does not make any sense when you find out nathan wade, outside attorney alleged to be having an affair with fani willis has billed for $653,000 in total that includes two invoices with white house counsel, one meeting took place in athens on the 23rd of may and the other on the 18th of november in 2022. so, why would you need to meet with white house counsel,

especially maybe i know a lot of meetings he would have to take. on the surface as bright as he may be, only experience doing accident cases and divorce cases. seems ill equipped to be handling a case of a former president dealing with state charges to make an historic indictment like that, you would think you would have the best of the best and the best history of the legal profession but instead you have nathan wade, alleged affair with fani willis at the time and then going on elaborate vacations with her and ostensibly you would think taxpayer dollars used to pay his bills are used to take her on vacation. they want to see this extrapolated out. >> sandra: elaborate travel, vacation express, norwegian cruise lines, royal caribbean, lovely stuff, freedom of the seas, a paper trail of these expenses, fani willis' vacation expenses. meanwhile, andy mccarthy weighing in on tuesday this week on fani willis' real issue, her

case is a mess. listen. >> the biggest problem with fannis willis' case is fani willis' case. it's incoherent, legally it does not hang together. this obviously is going to get a great deal of attention as it should, it's salacious and goes to the honesty of the people who brought this, the case is a mess. >> sandra: i mean -- >> brian: yes, and andy mccarthy and jonathan turley, cut through the salacious part of it, can't believe the poor decision-making and how obvious and the other part how does it affect the president, state charges and the timing. they are desperate, jack smith and company to get the president into court, in trial, and convicted because he's en route to getting the nomination before the election. looks like they are having problems on every single case hitting their marks. now this one. >> sandra: probably why we saw what we saw with the fox voter analysis, republicans on the ground, iowa, new hampshire,

multiple charges against him, it does not seem to be weighing on the voters' minds when they head to the ballot box. brian, great to see you. and coming up this weekend. >> jay glasser, one of the best to break down the games this weekend, especially the fox game, eric trump with us too, and the josh holmes led pod cost. >> sandra: thank you for letting me through the elevator door earlier without my badge. >> brian: or there would be no badge. if you forget your i.d., you can't -- judge had her hands full and you saved the day. thank you. >> jacqui: brian kilmeade, ever the gentleman. outrage in california after a woman convicted of stabbing her boyfriend more than 100 times

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>> the authors of the constitution knew there would be times the federal government would not live up to it, article 1 section 10 the right of self-defense. biden administration has really truly abdicated this responsibility to secure the border and enforce the laws. texas very simply is securing

the border. >> sandra: texas governor greg abbott standing by his decision to put up razor wire and seal off shelby park in eagle pass, texas from not only migrants but also border patrol agents. biden administration is giving texas until tomorrow to let federal agents back in. joining us now is texas republican senator ted cruz. senator, great to have you here today. jump on in here. i mean, this is a standoff between abbott and the white house. where does it go? >> well, listen, texas is right and i'm proud to stand with our governor, proud to stand with our state legislature. joe biden has created a crisis and he has created what is an invasion of the state of texas and it's an invasion of the country. under biden, 9.6 million illegal immigrants have come into this country. this is deliberate, it is massive, and under federal law it is the federal government's responsibility to stop this but joe biden and the washington democrats are defying federal law and so the state of texas is stepping up and saying we are

going to defend ourselves and greg abbott is exactly right, that article 1, section 10 of the constitution give states the authority what justice scalia referred to as the sovereign rights of states to protect themselves from invasion, that's what texas is doing. >> jacqui: so senator, you have heard the president time and time again saying look, i want to resolve this border crisis, we know it's a problem, but we need congress to give us the money to do it and the senate is working on this border bill. you have blasted it, obviously, and now there's other reporting suggesting that maybe mitch mcconnell and leadership is pulling back their support for it. what is going on there? are republicans really going to back away from an issue they say needs to be involved. >> two pieces, what biden is saying, technical term for that, it's called a lie and it's not just a little bit of a lie, it is a brazen -- it is the defini

definition -- joe biden en inherited the lowest level of illegal immigration, he inherited success. three decisions caused this crisis. first week in office, joe biden halted construction of the border wall, reinstated catch and release and pulled out of the incredibly successful remain in mexico agreement and those decisions caused illegal immigration to skyrocket. the reason he is lying, he does not need more money. biden could solve this problem tomorrow. he doesn't want to. >> jacqui: you are saying no reason to have a border bill? >> we don't need a border bill. achieved the lowest in 45 years under donald trump. joe biden is denying it right now. i'm all for using every leverage

to force biden to comply with the law but this deal does not do that. it was negotiated with chuck schumer, he looks at 9.6 million illegal immigrants and he sees future democrat voters and overlooking the death, women and children brutalized, for democrats to stay in power. >> sandra: the simple question, do we have a border. martha put it to john kirby. >> doesn't seem like a lot of fire in his belly, john, to stop people from entering. it seems he wants -- he's ok with the opposite. >> i don't think he's lacking any sense of urgency about the need for border security at all. >> you say there's no lack of urgency. he's been president three years. >> he has taken some executive actions but a limit to what it can do and we need support from congress. >> do we have a southern border? >> do we have a what?

>> do we have a southern border? >> yes, ma'am, of course we do. >> how can people flow across it every day. >> we are working hard to fix it. we need congressional action and the president asked for additional funding. >> sandra: if we have thousands and thousands and thousands of people flowing over the border every day, do we have a border? >> we don't. we have an open border and that is by design and by the way, the white house has claim they need more money, the money they want is more money to process illegal immigrants more quickly. they want 9.6 million to become 20 million, 30 million, 40 million. they want to speed this up. they want more illegal immigration. and understand, it's not that joe biden is bad at his job, that he's negligent, does not know how to do it, he wants this crisis because he gets a political benefit, he believes, from it. he could solve it overnight because he caused it overnight. you know, sandra, i spent a lot of time on the southern border, go out on midnight patrol with

the border patrol agents. when you do that, you are not looking for illegal immigrants. they look for you, they find you, they turn themselves in to you, and the reason they do so is as soon as they do, the biden administration asked them where would you like to go, i want to go to new york, to boston, to dallas, to miami. and the biden administration puts them on a plane or bus and sends them to every city in america so every city in america is a border city right now. if you want to solve this problem, donald trump, when he's re-elected in january of next year, will solve this problem and he'll do so by one thing and one thing alone. when someone is apprehended, put them on a plane, fly them back home and the crisis goes away. >> jacqui: lindsey graham said to any of my colleagues who think you will get a better deal under trum you won't. and gives tools to the next president.

your position nothing is better than something and have you even read the bill? >> i haven't read the bill, nobody has read the bill. they will not give us the text. the reason they won't give us the text -- if you are hiding the text, it means it's even worse than people think it is. it means if people knew what was in it they would be more upset. all they have given us is general bullet points. but one of those bullet points is effectively normalizes 5,000 illegal immigrants a day, 5,000 a day, that works out to over 1.8 million illegal immigrants a year. that is utterly unacceptable, nearly 6 million illegal immigrants under joe biden. so apparently the republican position is we'll take two-thirds of the border crisis. look, the answer needs to be fix it and solve it and we can do that trump or any republican president willing to enforce the law doesn't need this bill to do that. they can go back, you reverse the three decisions biden made.

build the wall, end catch and release and reinstate the remain in mexico agreement and the numbers will plummet just like three years ago. >> sandra: senator, one of your roles in washington is top republican on the science and transportation committee, you met with the ceo of boeing this morning. your thoughts on what you heard from him as we know there are major problems in the skies with the planes and how they are built. this was hillary vaughan, our reporter, stopped him in the hallway, and got this question to him. watch. >> mr. calhoun, how do you win customers back who say they are never going to get on a boeing plane again because they don't feel safe? mr. calhoun, how do you get those customers back who say they are too scared to get on a boeing plane. you don't have assurance for customers too scared to fly on a boeing plane? >> we believe in our airplanes, we field safe airports, our people do, confidence in the safety of the airplanes and

that's what this is all about. >> one of your planes fell apart in the sky. >> sandra: loose bolts, a door blowing off mid flight. what did you hear from the ceo? >> spent about an hour meeting with the ceo in my office and i expressed to him i'm very concerned, i think texans and americans are very concerned about the accident that happened on alaska airline. a door blowing out of a plane while flying at 16,000 feet. it is a miracle no one was killed in that accident. miracle that there were not more serious injuries. had they been at a higher altitude, everyone on the plane could have been killed and the number one priority has to be protecting the safety of the flying public and so the question y'all were asking there is critically important. i spent about an hour pressing the ceo that listen, boeing needs to make certain that its manufacturing processes, quality control is excellent because millions of americans depend on

it. when you put your family -- when you put your kids on a plane you need to be confident that your kids are going to be safe and security and i urged him, i said this is a crisis for boeing tan boeing needs to respond with transparency in congress, the commerce committee, we are engaged in an investigation right now to determine exactly the causes of this accident. last week i brought in both the faa and the national traffic safety board to brief members of the committee. their investigation is ongoing. i think soon we will get a preliminary report. but we need to make sure this accident never happens again and boeing, i hope they are taking it as seriously as they need to. boeing historically is a great american company and i want boeing to continue being a great american company but have to make sure they are producing planes that are safe for the american people. >> sandra: definitely some issues there. appreciate your time today. thank you very much for joining

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tomorrow here in this trial. miss carroll is seeking more than $10 million in damages but historic moment former president of the united states taking the stand here at federal court. >> sandra: and the court has adjourned now. eric, thank you for the update live from the courthouse in lower manhattan. jacqui. >> jacqui: revamped application for federal student aid was to simplify the process, but instead causing all kinds of confusion and delays. rich edson joins me on set. rich, this apparently could cost students nearly $2 billion in aid? >> rich: a math error from the department of education. means applicants would miss out on $1.8 billion on federal student aid. fafsa, a form that college students fill out for government grants. national association says

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>> economic growth is stronger than we had during the trump administration. america now is the strongest growth, the lowest inflation rate of any major economy in the world. >> sandra: president biden touting gdp after it did show growth of 3.3% over the last quarter. but americans are still racking up debt and taking longer and longer to pay for it. bring in larry kudlow, host of kudlow on fox business, someone who worked in that administration that he just said we are beating them. our growth is beating the trump years. you say what. >> larry: i'm not sure how he gets there. i'll have to check that. it was a good quarter, don't get me wrong. 3.3% beat estimates. and the last quarter was a good quarter, 4.9%, absolutely. so he gets his due. if i were he, i would be out slinging that hash, too. no problem. look under the hood, though, the same story we have seen again and again, the single biggest

category was government spending, ok. just this quarter, consumer spending 2.8% annual rate, all right. government spending 3.3% at annual rate. and in the last quarter, consumer spending was 3.1, government spending 5.8. and we continue to run -- >> sandra: the government is fueling the growth? >> larry: yes. all that means is federal -- federal spending. >> sandra: tells us what. >> larry: the white line is the long-term trend, 5.5% in government spending. the yellow is under mr. biden for the past three years it has consistently with one exception been above the long-term trend line. the cumulative excess spending over the trend line is now reached $3.3 trillion, ok. and fy23, contra to what mr.

biden promised, in fact, the deficit up $2 trillion, and fy24 -- >> sandra: what do people need to know about that, that's been fueling inflation and high prices. >> larry: more spending and high prices and ultimately more debt. >> sandra: he's touting the economic policies. things are great. >> larry: i don't want to be accused of denying his numbers. but i'm saying if you put it in perspective, it really is a big chunk of the government spending. >> sandra: you and i chatted over the weekend touting biden bounce, ok. the biden boost, i should say, pointing to signs that should lift the campaign. you've got the dow, if we can pop the dow big board up, dow making record after record after record. i mean, larry, what do you say to folks who say wait a second. this is not as bad as you have been saying it is. >> larry: i would say probably i would agree. you have to -- >> sandra: that's a headline. >> larry: you have to look -- i

mean, look, we had a recession in the first half of 2022. we had a 9% inflation, and we are still suffering the lingering effects of the increase in prices. remember, the bidens have to account for the affordability crisis. for example, right, where wages are rising more slowly than prices. they are in wisconsin today, typical average wisconsin family has to pay $10,500, $10,500 more than they did three years ago to make ends meet. >> sandra: where i was going to challenge you, you get the sense there are indicators pointing to strengthening the economy that not all are enjoying the strength in the economy and the very people this administration says it is out to help the most are the ones struggling the most and the rich are getting richer. >> larry: right. i'm happy with the rich getting richer. i'm not happy with the middle and lower income suffering an affordability crisis where real after tax pay, after inflation is falling. they can't afford it.

that's the biggest problem. that's why -- although mr. biden's economic numbers in the last six months have improved, right, those are facts, i acknowledge that, you don't see it in the polling data at all, and the reason for that is as you just noted, achilles heel is still the affordability crunch. >> sandra: prices are not coming down. rate of inflation is slowing. >> larry: and you have to ask yourself, with all this government spending. again, this is another quarter where the biggest gdp growth factor was government. and the jobs numbers typically government is the biggest factor, ok. you have to ask yourself how long can we keep the inflation lid on. how long can -- >> sandra: and one other thing talking about the stock market, you say if you adjust the record breaking stock market that the white house likes to tout right now, for inflation -- this is your chart, you said well even though the dow and s & p were

lower under trump it was higher adjusted for inflation. >> larry: that's very important. real stock prices under trump at this stage of the game up 36%. real stock prices under biden at this stage of the game up 7%. so inflation is still a killer. i do not ever want to deny the numbers and the facts. he's got a good -- you know, if i were mr. biden, i would be out there flagging these numbers, too. no question about it. but i'm just saying, when you look under the hood, as i believe i must, i don't want an economy run on government spending. >> sandra: something has to explain why people still, when you talk to them, you know, in iowa, new hampshire, still concerned about the economy, right. >> larry: they are, showed up in the issues. >> sandra: we will see you at 4:00. >> larry: yes ma'am, i'll be there, do my best. jacqui. >> jacqui: the first u.s. nitrogen execution might take place tonight. alabama is getting ready to put convicted murderer kenneth

eugene miller to death. alexandria is live with more on this, and the execution is not exactly a sure thing. >> they never are until they happen, this one does appear likely. smith's attorney filed last minute appeals but so far the courts have declined to intervene. the 58-year-old's execution set for around 6:00 p.m. central time. kenneth smith would be the first inmate put to death using nitrogen hypoxia. they warn it could amount to torture and senator cory booker expressed the same. >> the process is untested. this amounts to a human experiment. the process presents a risk, prolonged and unconstitutional painful execution. >> alabama officials disagree saying once smith is strapped down, a mask with pure nitrogen

will render him unconscious in seconds. they added much treatment is better than smith gave elizabeth senet nearly 36 years ago. he was convicted in the grisly hire for murder death in 1988. his excuse was attempted once before but the lethal injection failed when vein could not be found. he asked for death by nitrogen gas. it's approved in alabama, mississippi and oklahoma, but has not been used before. >> jacqui: and the detail of a failed attempt before is incredible. sandra. >> sandra: 2024 homeless count in los angeles is underway. so, will we see a six-figure number? that's next. for 44 years mainly because i just love helping people. as i got older, it was just a natural part of aging,

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the building. there is a chance as he sometimes does he will stop and talk to the cameras. so we are outside that courthouse and if that happens, we will certainly listen in to the former president as he departs. looks like a team on the way out right now, keep our eye on this. jacqui. >> jacqui: sandra, california woman gets no jail time for fatally stabbing her boyfriend more than 100 times, and her lawyers argue she suffered a marijuana-induced psychosis. but the victim's father is outraged saying she just got away with murder. fox news contributor and former d.c. homicide detective ted williams joining us with more on this head scratcher of a story because ted, i want to get your thoughts on what another friend of this show, paul mauro had to say about this case. the fact this this woman is not going to jail is obviously not acceptable to her family, and as part of her defense she had to outline that she was not

responsible for her own actions because in the state of california, you know, intoxication is not a defense unless it is involuntary, so depicted the victim, her boyfriend as a bully who made her smoke weed and said the last hit triggered her psychosis, she remembered everything leading up to the last hit and the jury rejected that, right. they said no, you are responsible for your own actions. but then the judge cited that same defense the jury rejected in his sentencing and said well, she's not responsible, so -- did he make himself, the judge and the jury here, what is your take? >> clearly meaning himself judge, jury and just about executioner in this case. this is outrageous. this woman stabbed this man 109 times. and i want you to understand that 109 stab wounds. and here they find her, law enforcement, with the knife in

her hand when they come to the door and a jury came back with a verdict of involuntary manslaughter and the judge said well, wait a minute, she was under psychosis inducement and as a result of that i'm going to put on two years of probation and no jail time. jacqui, can you imagine how the family and the friends of that person feel that this person was able to get out of jail, or not go to jail should we say, after stabbing their loved one? >> jacqui: i'm sure the message they are getting is their loved one's life was not worth much, which is a horrible thing. but you have to wonder about this argument that marijuana could make you -- could send you into such psychosis that you would become violent and stab someone 109 times. not something you typically associate marijuana with. >> absolutely not. and just think about it. there are a lot of individuals

in jail right now who would love to be out of jail by using marijuana as a defense under these circumstances. it is just outrageous and it's unfortunate that a judge would do this in this country but it was done, unfortunately. >> jacqui: while we are on the topic of drugs, this other tragic story you have these chiefs fans who are tragically found dead, three of them in a friend's back yard after the host of the party was sleeping for two days, a fifth friend at the house left and survived, but there are questions now about what really happened in that house, and you know, we are waiting on the toxicology report, obviously. what do you think is going to come out of this? >> i think that we are going to have to unfortunately be patient and wait on the toxicology report and the autopsy. i would have to believe the autopsy has been performed but the toxicology reports will probably give us some information as to whether there

was drugs or alcohol in the system. normal human beings who are at a football party and leave that party, even in the dead of night while it's very cold outside, just don't die under these circumstances. so, what the authorities are gonna have to do is to look for drugs to see if there were drugs in these individuals' systems. >> jacqui: and who sleeps for two days also is the question. >> oh, absolutely. >> jacqui: appreciate your time. all right, we will be right back.

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but despite that, as the 2024 homeless count gets underway and goes over three nights this week, every expert we've spoken to says those numbers, 75,000 are likely to go up. yet the mayor is still saying progress is being made. listen here. >> a lot has been accomplished in a year. i think the dedication of everybody that works to house angelinos has been stepped up with a sense of urgency. >> now, it is true that a lot of the encampments that we've seen on the west side of l.a. have been cleared out. we spoke to a usc professor that says this is a policy of displacement. whack-a-mole, if you'd like. listen here. >> we're putting it out here. it's popping up over there.

unless we take more direct systemic action, all we are doing is making ourselves look good temporarily and allowing the problem to fester and grow worse. >> now, the professor makes the interesting point that you have to get rid of these encampments by providing affordable housing. l.a.'s liberal policies prevent that from happening because it's too hard for developers to build the kind of housing that would get the homeless people off the streets, sandra. >> sandra: a huge problem for everybody there. residences and businesses alike. thanks very much. thanks to everybody for joining us here. jacqui, great to have you here today. i'm sandra smith. >> i'm jacqui heinrich. "the story" starts right now. >> martha: thanks. good after