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the worst border crisis we have ever seen. >> the cartels having operational control of our southern border. our southern border to the point where they are bringing drugs in that are killing 150 young people in america every single day. that should matter to everybody. >> house republicans demanding more border security as growing examples show the migrant crisis is making america and americans less safe. crime surges in new york and various other sanctuary cities and now california is seeing an influx of people from one of america's most powerful adversaries. good afternoon, john roberts in washington, d.c.. >> border officials are sounding the alarm not just over the record of crossings but also the dramatic rise in chinese migrants pouring through a small gap of the border wall near san diego. >> john: more than 20,000 chinese nationals have been

apprehended since october, just three years ago, that number for the full year was just 450 people. let's get right to griff jenkins, live in california where this is going down. is anything being done to block a very big gap in the wall? >> well, there is, john, and we wanted to bring you to this spot in california about an hour east, 60 miles from san diego. remote area. the wall ends here and a gaping three foot hole behind me, this is mexico here, where migrants are literally walking through. in fact, this dog came from mexico about ten minutes ago, walked around the fence. mexican officials are blocking the access but that did not stop 882 miles from here coming across. and since the fiscal year began

on october 1st, more than 90% came through the san diego sector. take a look at this video, john. we can show you this very gate. our fox nation team, most from chinese, and turkey, coming around the fence and being processed by the border patrol. and it is this sector last week that saw nearly 9,000 migrants from some 73 different countries. no doubt we were getting hit hard, we were in eagle pass at the end of last year with the record numbers, but it has moved well, and san diego is ground 0 right now with holes like this one in jacumba, why brandon judd is talking about concerns what he's seeing with the western shift and the rise in particularly the chinese migrants. >> best case scenario, just a new demographic that is coming. worst case scenario, the chinese government who is an enemy of ours is trying to get as many people here.

>> while we are here and not seeing the large numbers of the 2 or 3,000, they still saw in the last 24 hours, more than 1,000 in this sector. and the officials here tell me off camera, john, it's a very difficult situation because it's such a wide area. you know san diego, it's remote, it's difficult to patrol, all the way from the beach, imperial beach and across from tijuana, out to this area and so what the cartels are doing is spreading agents out to the east and west extremes, moving very significant migrants like these chinese with more central american, and south american migrants from colombia and ecuador coming in the middle known areas. it's a cat and mouse game and different from eagle pass and del rio. >> john: and the folks coming around the edge of the border wall on video, looked like if nothing, if not organized. i guess the cartels are doing

that, right, griff? >> that's exactly right, and not only that, we have a fox nation special just dropped, bill melugin, and matt and i to show, and we have seen cartel running the dirt road on the mexican side bringing load after load up to this location. and just spin a little bit, i don't think you will see much through the fence but you can hear a generator running and a bunch of military mexican vehicles back behind the fence. they are blocking this area but again, it did not stop 88 migrants, many chinese crossing five miles to my west. john. >> john: did not stop the dog, looks like he's gone back home. griff, thanks. >> aishah: new developments in the attack on two officers in times square. a migrant suspect held on bail is back on the streets now and another one has already been

arrested for a different crime. new york city council minority leader reacting in a few moments, but first, alexis mcadams. what's going on now? >> another day, another migrant arrest in the big apple, this, a migrant caught shoplifting yesterday, days after he got out of jail for attacking two cops. so today darwin izekiel, you can see the 19-year-old wearing handcuffs escorted by nypd officers. his second arrest in less than a month. this time police tell us he was part of a group caught stealing from a macy's in queens, facing charges for grabbing hundreds of dollars worth of clothes and stuffing them into bags and then when he tried to run out, investigators say they injured a security guard who tried to stop them from stealing. this comes as police have arrested another person in connection to the brutal beat down we have been talking about of two nypd officers. on tuesday, 17-year-old was busted by the feds in the bronx.

you can see in the surveillance video, kicking, punching the cops in the head. overall, at least eight migrants have been taken into custody. a majority released without bail. >> i said all along that i thought that bail should have been requested given the severity of what they did, attacking police officers in the city of new york. never be allowed and we have to send a strong message. >> new yorkers are very upset about all of this stuff that's been going on. listen to this. there was only one migrant who was still in jail held on bail in connection with the times square attack, but now even he's back on the streets, a migrant from venezuela charged with assault in the times square attack, but somehow he posted $15,000 of cash bail out now in new york. although it was thought they fled on a bus to california, the d.a.'s office telling fox it's not the case. at least five migrants in custody in connection to the attack on those officers,

aishah. >> aishah: thank you, alexis. >> john: bring in a new york city councilmember, minority leader there. seems the immigration and crime crisis is converging, not only in new york city but other cities across america as well. the chief of patrol for the nypd, john chel, says new york remains the safest big city in america. but people are scared to be sure, and betsy mccoy, the former lieutenant governor of new york had an op-ed, she wrote, migrant crime is turning cities into war zones. what do you say? >> look, i mean, we are seeing the convergence of a decade of bad democratic party policy on one hand, you have the prosecution side where bail reform that happened in 2019 along with a prosecutor in manhattan that refuses to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law are now combined with the net result of the border

problem, which again goes back to the biden administration and what we are seeing now is just repeated acts of chaos on our streets. the mayor wants to point to some prime numbers, shootings are down, homicides are down, that's a good thing. when we talk about the petty crimes happening on the streets, often times they are the results of these migrant gangs whether they are organized or not, but using mopeds and scooters and causing harassing type of crimes and robbery type of crimes in every neighborhood where they are touching. that guy was arrested because he was robbing a macy's in queens. tomorrow it could be an iphone store in brooklyn, for all i know. >> john: you just mentioned the fellow who was arrested, let's put the video on the screen, this is the guy who was involved in an altercation against new york city police officer, he was arrested and then let out without bail by alvin bragg, the attorney general there, and here is what the new york city police

benevolent association said about all that, they said those who attack police officers have 0 respect for the law. this is exactly what happens when our justice system fails to hold them accountable. they are emboldened to victimize other new yorkers. he needs to be put back behind bars and kept there. again, this is a guy that the district attorney alvin bragg let go without bail. who is at fault here? >> well, the police benevolent association president is absolutely right. we have always had robberies, you know, burglaries in new york city, that's not new. what is new is sort of the open conflicts with police officers that are occurring. we have had record number of police assaults in the past year. that is just as he pointed out a direct result of people feeling that there will not be a consequence to their action. there is not a consequence to your action when you are robbing some petty dollar amount, we end

up with, you know, toothpaste looked up and not criminals. and all this means when you put the entire justice system together that exists in new york, the prosecutors that don't want to prosecutor, we have judges that have to give the least restrictive setting possible when it comes to bail, and you have an overarching bail reform law that makes it almost impossible to seek bail if it's not a violent crime like a shooting or a homicide. >> john: there is another trend emerging in new york city, and probably other places across the country as well the fbi is warning about, it's a violent venezuelan gang that apparently may be hooking up with members of ms-13. what john morales, special agent in texas told "the new york post," he said while these gangs wouldn't normally mix, it's always going to be a concern as the gang expands and strength and establishes a foot hold.

we are working with our local law enforcement partners and sharing intelligence in order to stop the growth of the gang. that's what new york city is another gang moving in. >> right, and in a proper country, people who walk across our border with ms-13 tattooed across the forehead might be stopped for question and perhaps not allowed in. we know the biden administration is not going do that. laws passed in the city council in 2011, and 14 and 17 and recently about basically limiting the nypd ability to coordinate with ice and other law enforcement agencies. even when we have a crack gang unit in the nypd and department of corrections on rikers island, they are not actually able to coordinate with federal law enforcement on putting the pieces together and charging these guys with a more serious crime pattern and perhaps deporting them. that's really what is happening right now and causing so many problems. we had the ice director out with

us last week with our local congresswoman, and a bunch us, and this is the fulfillment of all of these bad policy decisions brought to us by the new york democratic party. >> john: things are going downhill fast in the big apple. thanks for talking with us. >> aishah: on capitol hill, mike turner says he's informed congress of a "serious national security threat" and is now calling on president biden to declassify that intelligence to the american people. chad pergram is live on capitol hill now with the breaking details and chad, lawmakers routinely get national security briefings, so this time, though, sounds like something is different. >> yeah, something popped up on the house intelligence committee schedule for tomorrow night when they were going to meet to present this document to the entire house, so all members could look at this. this dealt with a national security threat.

i started to dial into this a couple days ago and i asked what is this all about, what does this mean, is it a threat to the house, is it something from a foreign government, and the members who i talked to, it was as though they had seen a ghost. a lot of times when you talk to members who deal with intelligence matters, you know, they will play their cards close to the vest, but these members did not want to talk about this at all and said they could not talk about this. jake sullivan, the national security adviser addressed this just a bit ago. >> i am a bit surprised the congressman turner came out publicly today in advance of a meeting on the books for me to sit with him alongside the intelligence professionals tomorrow. i am focused on going to see him, sit with him as well as the other house members tomorrow and not in position to say anything further from this podium at this time. >> see, that tells you a lot right there, the fact he is also playing the cards close to the vest. what can happen, you have the intelligence committee, they

look at certain things at a higher level but sometimes they can free up these documents to the house at large and that's what mike turner from ohio, the chairman of the intelligence committee has done so all house members can go and view this some time between today and friday and he has encouraged the biden administration to declassify some of this information. aishah. >> aishah: ok, we know you are going to stay on top of this for us, thank you, chad. >> john: that is ominous. hundreds of thousands of chiefs fans cheer on their super bowl champions. but, did taylor swift make it to the parade? i know you want to know about that. >> the sense he's not ready for this job is a bucket of b.s. to deep your boots will get stuck in it. >> aishah: democrats keep saying president biden is as sharp as ever but karl rove is up next what they are reportedly saying in private, and if sticking with biden could cost them the white house.

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rove standing by with analysis. garland has been given a deadline to hand over the goods. >> that's right, by monday, and i'm told via doj source some sort of response by monday from the department of justice. no word on what that will be, and today republicans all the way up to the house speaker spoke once again about this report. watch. >> a man too incapable of being held accountable for mishandling classified information is unfit for the oval office. and if you ask yourself that same question you will come to the same conclusion. >> the president sat down with special counsel robert hur face-to-face, it was not only transcribed, audio recorded as well, hur writes the president could not remember when his son beau passed away or when he left the senate. republicans want to see it. white house officials from the press secretary to the president

say the special counsel went below the belt and was gratuitous, and call it inaccurate. a copy is at the white house and they could release it if they want to. >> you won't say, given you think the report is flatly wrong, you can't say you want the material to be made public. >> i can say they are discussing it, they are looking at it, there's a process that's involved. >> they are also discussing it at doj the process deals with redacting potential classified information if it was discussed in that in person interview. i'm told doj officials would need to look at some of the factors if they were to turn over the transcript. but some sort of response from the doj to the hill by monday. i don't think it's the full transcript, but something. >> john: interesting to hear the recordings as well. >> yes, it was. >> aishah: as calls grow for the transcript to be made public, house republicans are making it

clear they intend to keep questioning about president biden's mental acuity front and center, keep that front and center ahead of the 2024 election. listen to this. >> the american people know that if someone is mentally unfit to stand trial, they are unfit to serve as commander in chief. >> i think if there was ever, ever a time we need a cognitive test for a sitting president of united states it's now. if he thinks he's fit to run the country, prove it to us. >> aishah: karl rove, former white house deputy chief of staff and fox news contributor. good to see you. on the transcript and the audio recorders and trying to bring in robert hur, i imagine that house republicans will try to do, it would seem to make sense to me that the white house would want to release these transcripts, especially if the president feels like robert hur cherry picked some of the things he said to make him look bad. >> i think that's right. the white house would if it were

as you described overdrama advertised. but it's not a winner for the white house and if you look at it, nbc poll two weeks ago, 76% of the american voters are concerned that president biden lacks the necessary mental and physical health to serve a second term, and in an ab, krg poll last week, 86% said he's too old for another term. the more we talk about this, nearly eight out of ten think he lacks the ability to serve a second term and nearly nine out of ten think he's too old. now, that's a real problem. if you want to keep litigating this argument and make it go from being a week or two to being several months, do what the white house is doing by sort of pushing back dramatically with late night or late afternoon/early evening news conference by the president and then a drum beat of attacks by democrats on the prosecutor who was obligated by law to explain

why he was not charging the president. >> aishah: to add on to the recent polling, the issue is not going to go anywhere any time soon, not before november, a new reuters poll shows 78% of american, voters, think the president is too old for office. what's interesting is that democrat donors out there we know are worried, there was a bunch of reporting on that over the weekend. but this is what a democratic senator said about biden's mental fitness. he says in all of our lunches, it's never been discussed, kind of amazing no one has said we should talk about this or that isn't this an issue, should we have him talk bit, i've never heard anybody say schumer should go over there and talk to him about it. shouldn't they talk to him about this when the majority of the country as you and i just showed are worried about this. >> yeah, well, look, to me it's one of the amazing things about this election that people are

looking at the president and nearly seven out of every ten democrats think he's too old, and nearly, you know, nine out of every ten americans think he's too old and three out of four americans think he lacks the mental acuity to do -- to perform well in a second term. these are bad numbers, and they are not going to get better. there is not some magic moment we say oh, he has shed years, he's gained fluidity, far more intelligent, he's smooth, does not forget. we are not going to say those things. age is relentless and his situation is not going to get good between now and november. having said that, the republicans better be careful how they handle this. abc news poly mentioned, 86% said biden is too old, that is up 12 points from last september. 62% say donald trump is too old, up 13 points from last november. so to some degree this is an issue that has to be dealt with delicately by republicans as well, there's a growing sense, nearly two out of every three

americans think donald trump is too old. the more that we accentuate joe biden's problem, the more we have created a problem for donald trump. >> aishah: karl, i can't imagine anything worse for democrats than robert hur show up on capitol hill and actually speak the words that we have now all read. karl rove, thank you so much. >> you bet. thank you. >> john: the centers for disease control may soon tweak its covid guidance. what may change and how it could impact you. >> aishah: massachusetts overwhelmed with migrants and scrambling to shelter them all, and voters are not happy with where their taxpayer dollars are going. a spokesperson next to tell us what needs to change. >> now they are getting stipends, getting what else? i need money for me and my kids and i was born here, like you know, i know life is a struggle in its self, but this is not the

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>> aishah: bring you some new developments in this story we are following on capitol hill where the intelligence chairman, the house intel chairman, mike turner, is trying to get some intelligence released to the american public about an urgent security matter and apparently a notice was sent to all congressional members in which an -- it talked about this urgent matter with regard to a destabilizing foreign military capability that should be known by all congressional policy makers. we are still trying to dig into what foreign military threat they are talking about. we are still working on that. our reporters are making calls right now. we are following this story very, very closely, as john called it, very ominous what's happening here with the sharing of information. >> john: yeah, we'll see. a lot of new weapons worked on

by both russia and china, maybe it's one of those. the "washington post" is reporting the centers for disease control may soon change its five-day isolation guidance for people who test positive for covid-19. it would be the first update on quarantine guidance in nearly three years. dr. marc siegel, professor of medicine and is it time to dial back on covid isolation guidelines. the white house press secretary was asked about it. >> does the white house feel it's long overdue? >> they are going to decide the guidelines. i don't want to get ahead of that. let's let cdc go through the process. >> john: she said the cdc is going through it. is it time doc to dial back the five-day isolation period? >> well, yes and no, john. i'll tell you what i think about this. first of all, they need to be consistent. we have said that through the pandemic. so, why now?

i mean, we came out of the pandemic months ago, so if they were going to dial back the policy should have been months ago. but i also think and i've told you this from the beginning, i want doctors in the driver's seat. i must be honest with you. when i advise a patient how long to stay home, whether they have the flu or rsv or covid, i go one-on-one. i see, you know, what is your risk? are you still sneezing, are you still coughing, are you still contagious. the guidelines we are talking about that they are probably going to go to, oregon and california already go to this, which is if you are not on medication, and you don't have a fever for a day, you get to go back to work. well, i don't want everybody going back to work who doesn't have a fever. there are other symptoms. how contagious before you go back to work and that does not sit with guidelines. it's medical advice from doctors. >> john: to have a one size fits all policy as we do now, that if you test positive for covid you have to stay away from work for

five days, some people may appreciate the vacation, it does have a big economic impact. particularly if a person is on paxlovid, you can have a fever one day, go on paxlovid, it's gone and feel fine the next yet mandated you stay home for five days. so, this idea that you are floating of individual case by case basis based on a doctor's recommendation, you believe that's the prudent way to go. but will the cdc say that? >> no, they shouldn't -- they have been saying it to me. when i interviewed dr. mandy conehead of cdc she said that to me. doctors need to go back in charge. but these guidelines are not going to reflect that and i absolutely agree with every word you just said. we are getting a lot of people out of work because of guidelines out of date right now, so it's absolutely the time to pull them back for what you just said. and we are not using enough paxlovid, by the way, to your point on paxlovid, it's a tremendous drug, i prescribe it a lot, but a lot people are not taking it and it does make you

feel better quickly and the contagiousness of covid is in the first 3, 4 days, and a lot of times when you are asymptomatic. and covid is more contagious as flu. the guidelines they are going to go with are the same as flu, but if you have covid you are more likely to spread it than flu. so dial back the guidelines, i don't like the five days, it's out of date, but covid and the flu are not the same. >> john: when i had covid last summer, i took paxlovid and then feeling fine but had to stay home. >> go out with a mask, right, go out with a mask, absolutely. >> john: work said you have to stay home five days, so i did. you have an op-ed in the hill, talk about biden's health. the health disclosures biden needs immediately for american reassurance. do you believe he's leaving too many unanswered questions out there? >> completely, and you just

heard karl rove talk about this. it's ridiculous. most of america thinks he's unfit. if he wants to defend himself, let's have cognitive testing and mri. instead you have kjp and the vice president saying dr. o'connor does not think he needs that. but he's a family physician, not a neurologist. it makes people think you are hiding something. if you mix up three world leaders and will not submit to an mri, and if a patient came to my office and said i can't remember world leaders, i would test them, get an mri and cognitive testing. president of the united states has to at least be at that standard i would use for everyone. >> john: appreciate it. >> aishah: israel and hamas making progress towards another ceasefire and hostage release

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adviser jake sullivan, i believe tomorrow night. ahead of that meeting turner is saying the white house needs to declassify information on this new threat so that everybody in congress can have a look at it. we are working our sources to try to find out what this is all about. jacqui heinrich has been doing that as well. she's got some information for us. what are you hearing, jacqui? >> well, john, i've been speaking with a pentagon official and they confirm to me that this has to do with a threat related to space. we already have from our other sourcing that there has been reporting on the hill that sources here have confirmed is in the ballpark, which is that it has to do with an emerging capability from russia that would be of grave seriousness potentially but that the threat is not immediate. now, congressman mike turner, who chairs the intelligence

committee, put out this notification that he is asking the biden administration to declassify this information and calling on members of congress to come and view this information in the scif because it is of such grave concern. the national security adviser jake sullivan was in the briefing room today and appeared to be taken off guard that turner made this information known through a press release saying that he was actually planning, he had offered to speak to mike turner himself tomorrow and so he was surprised that this announcement came out before he was able to go to the hill and have that discussion with mike turner and other members of congress. we are gathering from reporting on the hill, members who have come out of the scif talking to reporters saying that you know, they can't talk about what it is that they have viewed but expressing a lot of concern about it. and when sullivan was asked will the administration comply with turner's request that this information be declassified so that these robust discussions

with our allies and partners that turner was saying need to happen can start. sullivan said of course, you know, in the past we have done more than any other administration, he says, to declassify information and share it with the public when it's in the interest of our national security and that you would not find an unwillingness to do that in this case if it were in u.s. national interests. but it sounded like from the briefing they were not ready to do that yet, and really were not expecting to face questions on it today. so we are working our sources and what we have right now is a pentagon official telling me it has to do with space. other sources confirming hill reporting that this has to do with a russian capability emerging military capability, but that the threat is not immediate in nature and americans don't have to be concerned about their safety at this given moment, john. >> aishah: jacqui, john just

pulled up actually a press release from back in 2020, if you can believe this, where mike turner actually put out a statement when he was on the house armed services subcommittee about what could be what you are talking about right here. he said basically this was after the u.s. space command said publicly it had evidence that russia had conducted a nondestructive test of a space-based anti-satellite weapon, that was july 15th of 2020. and back then turner said i strongly condemn russia's space-based anti-satellites weapons test. latest in our adversary aggressive behavior against the united states and our allies. it sounds to us, again, very, very little information coming out of either the white house or capitol hill right now, that this might be exactly what mike turner is now trying to get declassified. we heard a little bit of jake

sullivan earlier in the show, jacqui, he was asked about this, clearly seemed very unhappy with chairman turner. did you get any more sense in that briefing that we might find out anything else from this after the gang of 8 is briefed tomorrow? >> i mean, i think that they are going to have to address the public, just the nature of sending a letter that warns of a concerning national security threat, you know, has -- carries weight that people pay attention to, and so we did, you know, hear from the president earlier in the week that he would be taking our questions later in the week. he said it would happen today and tomorrow. this is before we knew anything about the national security threat. so the potential for the president himself to address some of these questions i think is there given that he already announced he would be speaking to reporters this week. but i think from just -- my sense in the briefing, it seems like jake sullivan was there

today to talk about other issues. he was there to talk about the need to get the foreign aid passed in congress, he was there to talk about the fisa bill that needs reauthorization and there is opposition really across both parties to certain pieces of that bill that they think would undermine national security if it were not to happen, so he was making that case to the press as he's been making that case to members of congress and i think this question came out of nowhere and it was all prompted by this press release that mike turner sent out warning folks that the biden administration needs to declassify urgently this information so that conversations can start. that's the piece i paid attention to in that release was that we need to have a conversation with our allies and partners about how we are going to deal with this threat, and that tells me that they have not dealt with it just yet. and so if you cast that against the reporting that we have from our sourcing that this is an

emerging military capability from russia reportedly involving space, according to a pentagon official, we are getting the building blocks of what this might be. but the president and relevant agencies are going to have to address a lot of questions that we have about them now, guys. >> aishah: jacqui heinrich live at the white house. please stay on top of this developing story. >> john: make sense if turner was warning about this, we know he has warned about this in the past. a quick break and back with more on the other side.

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>> aishah: israel and hamas are working toward another ceasefire and hostage release deal as talks continue. we have a father of an american hostage held by hamas. he and other hostage families have met with national security adviser jake sullivan. ruby, thank you for joining us. i want to start off with that meeting that you had with other families and jake sullivan. how do you think that meeting went and did you walk away with any hope that you can get your

son home soon? >> yeah, since we met, thank you, aishah, there have been talks in cairo over the last 24 hours. i have to say it sounds like the u.s. is more eager to get a deal than israel. it seems like benjamin netanyahu, the israeli prime minister, is not allowing the negotiations to develop as they could be, and what i think the u.s. should do, the u.s. has at its disposal a toolbox of various options, big time options, to put pressure on all the players, including israel, to sit at the negotiation table, get a deal done. and reminding you, you see this 131, that's the amount of days that u.s. citizens have been held in captivity. and it can't be normalized, like it's not normal for us to sit here and look at that number and say we have eight u.s. hostages

being held against their will for such a long time. >> aishah: it's not normal, ruby. i mean, any day without your child is not ok, and we definitely feel that way about this situation. i want to dig in a little bit deeper. you are saying that israel you feel is not trying very hard. does this have to do with, there were some axios reporting that prime minister netanyahu is not going to send a delegation to egypt to continue these talks because as axios puts it he believes only a very tough israeli position could lead to a deal. of course now the move towards rafah, which is making people in the region, especially egypt very uneasy. is that why you feel like israel is not trying hard enough? >> i think for various reasons the israeli government and the prime minister need to see that victory. they need to see that white flag from hamas.

and they are buying time. and what we don't have, the hostages don't have is time. and i'm reminding everyone about the u.s. hostages. there is a working assumption of the biden administration that the u.s. hostages will come out as part of a bigger deal that they are able to negotiate. that working assumption has been in place for four months and bottom line, u.s. hostages are not coming out. and conversations i've been having with the biden administration i challenge them each time again and again, let's look at those assumptions and challenge them and see if the plan is indeed working or not. and unfortunately, you know, having hostages for such a long period of time being held against their will, u.s. citizens, the last time that happened was 1979 in iran at the embassy that u.s. citizens were held in captivity. so there is that sense of urgency, and we need to get this

done and the u.s. has at its disposal the ability. >> aishah: i'm looking at pictures of your beautiful son and praying for his safe return as quickly as possible. hopefully we get some good news out of these negotiations. ruby, thanks for joining us. >> thank you, aishah. >> john: we all watch and wait along with ruby and his family. coming up, we've got more on this new national security threat that congressman mike turner, the head of the intelligence committee in the house, is warning about. he's got a meeting with the gang of 8 and jake sullivan at the white house in the hours ahead. we do not know what this threat is, but calling for it to be declassified so everyone in congress can get a look at it. keith kellogg leads off our coverage in a few minutes. stay with us. we'll be right back. th was much better. but i struggled with uncontrollable movements called td, tardive dyskinesia. td can be caused by some mental health meds. and it's unlikely to improve without treatment. i felt like my movements were in the spotlight.

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